WWI Digest 1242 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Outlook by "Bill Ciciora" 2) RE: Palmer, etc by Bob Pearson 3) Caproni Ca.3 by Shane Weier 4) Re: Caproni Ca.3 by Bob Pearson 5) RE: Palmer,etc. by David Kinnear 6) RE: Caproni Ca.3 by Shane Weier 7) Printing stencils, et al by Joey Valenciano 8) Re: White decal list by Joey Valenciano 9) Re: PE Losses by Joey Valenciano 10) Re: White decal list by Mark K Nelson 11) Re: White decal list by bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) 12) Eduard Fokker DVs by David Kinnear 13) Re: Caproni Ca.3 by Graham Nash 14) Re: Caproni Ca.3 by mbittner@juno.com 15) Re: White decal list by mbittner@juno.com 16) Re: Caproni Ca.3 by mbittner@juno.com 17) Re: ..3.. by "Sandy Adam" 18) Re: ..3.. by Don Rinker 19) Re: White decal list by "Steven M. Perry" 20) Re: White decal list by "Steven M. Perry" 21) Albatros at Squadron by Crofoot 22) Caproni Ca.3 by mbittner@juno.com 23) Re: White decal list by "David R.L. Laws" 24) 649th Aero Squadron by "Steven M. Perry" 25) Re: White decal list by Mike Dicianna 26) Re: Albatros at Squadron by John Huggins 27) Re: Eduard Albatros DV by "Paul Schwartzkopf" 28) Re: Albatros at Squadron by "Paul Schwartzkopf" 29) Maxwell brothers by "Sandy Adam" 30) RE: Caproni Ca.3 by "Dr. Phillip Anz-Meador" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 22:34:35 -0500 From: "Bill Ciciora" To: Subject: Re: Outlook Message-ID: someone wrote: >> eJ8+Ih0UAQaQCAAEAAAAAAABAAEAAQeQBgAIAAAA5AQAAAAAAADoAAEIgAcAGAAAAElQTS5NaWNy b3NvZnQgTWFpbC5Ob3RlADEIAQ2ABAACAAAAAgACAAEEkAYAsAEAAAEAAAAQAAAAAwAAMAIAAAAL AA8OAAAAAAIB/w8BAAAASQAAAAAAAACBKx+kvqMQGZ1uAN0BD1QCAAAAAHd3aUBwZWFzZTEuc3Iu << Please turn Rich Text Format off in Outlook, so the list doesn't get these headers. Bill Ciciora ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 20:58:09 -0700 From: Bob Pearson To: WW1 Mailing list Subject: RE: Palmer, etc Message-ID: <03580927830880@KAIEN.COM> > Bob, > > That would work out great. I have Illustrator and Photoshop on my computer > and I'd rather start with 1/48 even if I do 1/72. > I just rediscovered your Albatros dragon artwork and when I get a chance > will give it a go. > Let me know what else you've got in mind. For my FMP profiles I had to actually redo the fonts for the serials myself as none of the available fonts are quite right. One of the standard ones worked for the text stuff (LIFT HERE etc) though as they are small enough to not worry about very fine serifs or whatever. As for Al Magnus' query about nose art etc, check out the profiles Chris B-R and I did on the Internet Modeler site. These are done on the computer using Adobe Illustrator and Photoshop. All my new work for FMP is done in a similiar fashion and all it would take is to copy the relevant marking to a new file and send it to a printer. In order to change to 1/72 scale all that has to be done is reduce the scale to 66.67% - and to do a 1/32 marking go the other way. Although I have my drawings of the Dragon on the pease1 site, Joey has made an Illustrator file of it on his page there that would work better. As for other ideas. Here are some profiles I have done recently that would be neat as decals - Sopwith Triplane N5449 named BINKY III (I want to do my 1st Eduard Tripe as N5449 - maybe than I would finish one) - Sopwith Pup Chin Chow - Sopwith Pup N5185 BINKY II - Nieuport 17b (21) 3956 BINKY - Sopwith Babys named BITEM and PHYLLI- Sopwith 1 1/2 Strutters from No.3 Wing RNAS - Nieuport 17 from N.87 with black cat emblem - Degelow's Stag marked Pfalz D.IIIa And the list goes on . .. . . Regards, Bob Pearson Internet Modeler http://www.avsim.com/mike/awn ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 14:25:53 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi'" Subject: Caproni Ca.3 Message-ID: Hello all, ....In February 95 I made my very first post to this list asking for pointers to good references on an aircraft I have no wish to mention here. Time to ask again. I'm looking for references for the Caproni Ca.3 I have.... Windsock International Nov 90 - plans, detail sketches, photos, colour details http://pease1.sr.unh.edu - photos courtesy of Charles Hart Janes - pics of Issota Fraschini 150hp A few magazine articles, not with me so unsure of the provenance. I have already made Wings I know..... That there's a Datafile coming, but I'm sure it won't have enough details of... Engine, engine accessories, engine bays (gondola and boom) Cockpit Gunners pulpit position If anyone has a bunch of photos of the USAF Museum machine, especially detail shots, or any drawings other than those above, AND would like someone to cause the inevitable appearance of several accurate, well detailed and moderately priced injection kits by daring to scratchbuild one - let me know Shane ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 21:37:31 -0700 From: Bob Pearson To: WW1 Mailing list Subject: Re: Caproni Ca.3 Message-ID: <04373123530951@KAIEN.COM> Could this be the project for the next millenium? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 21:46:13 -0700 From: David Kinnear To: wwi Subject: RE: Palmer,etc. Message-ID: <3.0.32.19981012214612.008ee550@danube.cisco.com> Can you order the DVs on the web site? David At 08:09 PM 10/12/98 -0400, you wrote: > >Alberto, > >I guess that we could 1/48 but at that large size shouldn't you be able to >just hand paint what you need with a 2 inch brush and a gallon of house paint? >Actually, I just ordered two of the $10 Edward DVs that Squadron has on >this month's list so 1/48 is a definite do. > >Tim > > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 14:55:31 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Caproni Ca.3 Message-ID: Bob, > > Could this be the project for the next millenium? > Har de har.. No way could I do it THAT quickly. OTOH, yes, it's one I've always coveted. I know that South African mob and ten others will produce kits before I get done, but the point of the exercise is related to that discussion that artist have - about process and product. Many modellers get off on the finished model, and want bunches of them in a collection. This is a perfectly valid scheme, and I'd like it myself except... ...my enjoyment is mostly in the *process*. I actually enjoy the problem solving and building most of all, so difficult subjects attract me. the Biff wasn't so difficult but delayed by a load of external factors like children, illnesses and occasional ennui. Incidentally I like to look at the finished item too, and I tend to keep the better ones for a while, but of all the many models I've built no more than a dozen still exist. The rest get tossed in a box to make room on a shelf for the later projects, which will eventually make way for later ones still. Sounds ruthless, but constant moves in my Army career made the whittling process automatic :-( Shane ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 11:47:36 +0800 From: Joey Valenciano To: wwi Subject: Printing stencils, et al Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.19981013114736.0082b710@philonline.com.ph> While we're all talking printer, I'd like to mention that I have made artwork of a dial face. I've used it on a model and have described the process below. The dial has a wht face w/ blk markings. I tried to print the same design w/ blk face and wht markings but my printer ink blotted out the markings. I may do more instrument faces artwork but need an image to work from. With my 600 dpi HP deskjet, the instrument face looks ok enough. Here is how I used the instrument face: The kit I'm working on it the Aeroclub Fee. What I did first was to sand away all the dials and make them up thus: I used Corel Draw to do a dial face on the computer and produced it in many sizes and printed it out. Interestingly, the dial artwork looked different in most of the useful sizes! Well, that's because my printer prints only up to 600 dpi. I superglued the paper onto some .25mm plastic and "varnished the dial faces with super glue too. I used my Waldron Punch and Die to punch out the dials. I punched larger diameter disks out of thinner plastic (lid of fastfood softrink cup) to serve as bezels. I stuck the thin disks and the dials onto some masking tape. I painted the thin disks gold/brass and did the same for the edges of the dials. I glued the disk/bezels onto the instrument panel and the dials on top of them. Nice looking period instruments! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 11:46:27 +0800 From: Joey Valenciano To: wwi Subject: Re: White decal list Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.19981013114627.0082b9d0@philonline.com.ph> >- lift here >- AVRO inverted triangle logo (DF No.?) >- Palmer Aero Tyres >- Arrows >- This machine must not be flown without passenger or equivalent in weight >in gunners cockpit (re: Bristol Fighter DF Special Vol. 1 pg 49) >- what else - Sopwith logo ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 09:41:45 +0800 From: Joey Valenciano To: wwi Subject: Re: PE Losses Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.19981013094145.00829460@philonline.com.ph> Mark, You have acheived true enlightenment. You have solved the mystery of our existence. As WWI modelers, that is..... >Like the small dab of paint that dries on the brush before you can >touch it to the model, or that flows like a river when you were >looking for a fine dot; the superglue that sets instantly when you >needed a second to position the piece; the five-minute epoxy that >takes fifteen minutes to set up while your shaking hand tries to >maintain a steady (if awkward) position; the airbrush that finds this >moment to gather a blob and fling it right where it will be most >noticeable; the friend to whom rigging, or any manifestation of >stretched sprue, is an invitation to plink, and all the other rewards >our little hobby has: the lost part, photoetched, scratchbuilt, or >just a teeny piece from the kit itself, builds character. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 00:56:52 -0700 From: Mark K Nelson To: wwi Subject: Re: White decal list Message-ID: >The St. Louis group was discussing this very same oversight at our last >meeting and we started making up a list. No matter who produces the >decals, (I'm talking to a local model company here that did some >presentation decals for me) could we put together a list of what could run >in white first? At least we'd have a general list. Would also like to see >a source behind each for the artist to use a reference. >As Sandy started in his email: >- lift here >- AVRO inverted triangle logo (DF No.?) >- Palmer Aero Tyres >- Arrows >- This machine must not be flown without passenger or equivalent in weight >in gunners cockpit (re: Bristol Fighter DF Special Vol. 1 pg 49) >- what else White circles to put under non-opaque roundels ___________________________________________________________________________ Mark Nelson ------------------------ mnelson@powersurfr.com ------------------------ http://plaza.powersurfr.com/mark_nelson ------------------------ Find me working at Kites & Other Delights in West Edmonton Mall http://www.kitesandotherdelights.com ------------------------ Find me in Clan Lord as Marcus Antonius. http://plaza.powersurfr.com/mark_nelson/ClanLord/Clan_Index.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 00:26:24 -0700 (PDT) From: bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) To: wwi Subject: Re: White decal list Message-ID: <199810130726.AAA07619@ednet1.orednet.org> Mark Nelson writes: >White circles to put under non-opaque roundels Is this not easily obtained from a solid white decal sheet and a pair of scissors? Or, by spray painting white circles on a clear decal sheet? The stencil to paint white circles on a clear decal sheet is not at all difficult to create. Indeed, the various plastic drafting templates with a multitude of circles in various sizes are useful either as ready-made stencils or to create appropriately sized stencils. Cheers and all, Bill -- Bill Shatzer - bshatzer@orednet.org "You don't need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows." -Bob Dylan- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 00:37:47 -0700 From: David Kinnear To: wwi Subject: Eduard Fokker DVs Message-ID: <3.0.32.19981013003746.007b35a0@danube.cisco.com> Hello everybody. Second mail really, the first was probably a bit hard to fathom. Someone earlier mailed that he had bought some Eduard F DVs at around $10 from Squadron. I was wondering if that person could email me the details of how to go about getting some of the same, like if he ordered from the web, etc. David Bye the way I've only been on the lhist for a couple of days and have gotten some great ideas. Thanks! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 08:49:01 +0100 From: Graham Nash To: wwi Subject: Re: Caproni Ca.3 Message-ID: <199810130749.DAA06411@egate2.citicorp.com> Shane Weier wrote: > I know..... > > That there's a Datafile coming, but I'm sure it won't have enough > details of... > > Engine, engine accessories, engine bays (gondola and boom) > > Cockpit > > Gunners pulpit position The only detail/interior publication my database shows that is not on your list is WW1 Aero No 134-An issue I don't have, I'm afraid :^( ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 05:05:57 -0500 From: mbittner@juno.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Caproni Ca.3 Message-ID: <19981013.050613.-227445.5.mbittner@juno.com> On Tue, 13 Oct 1998 00:26:13 -0400 Shane Weier writes: >If anyone has a bunch of photos of the USAF Museum machine, >especially >detail shots, or any drawings other than those above, AND would like >someone to cause the inevitable appearance of several accurate, well >detailed and moderately priced injection kits by daring to >scratchbuild >one - let me know Check the web site again. I took three close up photo's the last time I was there, and Al has scanned them in. Matt Bittner ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 04:57:36 -0500 From: mbittner@juno.com To: wwi Subject: Re: White decal list Message-ID: <19981013.050612.-227445.2.mbittner@juno.com> On Mon, 12 Oct 1998 22:07:38 -0400 "Charles or Linda Duckworth" writes: >The St. Louis group was discussing this very same oversight at our >last >meeting and we started making up a list. No matter who produces the >decals, (I'm talking to a local model company here that did some >presentation decals for me) could we put together a list of what could >run >in white first? At least we'd have a general list. Would also like >to see >a source behind each for the artist to use a reference. >As Sandy started in his email: >- lift here >- AVRO inverted triangle logo (DF No.?) >- Palmer Aero Tyres >- Arrows >- This machine must not be flown without passenger or equivalent in >weight >in gunners cockpit (re: Bristol Fighter DF Special Vol. 1 pg 49) >- what else Whatever else we come up with, we should definitely have the Morane-Saulnier logo produced. I believe it came in a multitude of colors, so white could be one of them. Matt Bittner ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 05:09:33 -0500 From: mbittner@juno.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Caproni Ca.3 Message-ID: <19981013.051000.-227445.8.mbittner@juno.com> On Tue, 13 Oct 1998 03:51:48 -0400 Graham Nash writes: >The only detail/interior publication my database shows that is not on >your list is WW1 Aero No 134-An issue I don't have, I'm afraid :^( Which I do. Send me your snail mail and I'll send out copies to whomever wants a copy. Matt Bittner ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 10:08:11 -0700 From: "Sandy Adam" To: Subject: Re: ..3.. Message-ID: <199810131004.LAA14930@beryl.sol.co.uk> > From: Shane Weier > > .3.. OK so I've just started an Aeroclub and Blue Max Biff back-to-back. Here goes: 12,765,.......12,764,....12,763,......... Sandy ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 06:23:44 -0400 From: Don Rinker To: wwi Subject: Re: ..3.. Message-ID: <36232A30.7E360BE7@fast.net> I'm doing my retirement countdown...... 6,943,...... 6,942..... Sandy Adam wrote: > > > From: Shane Weier > > > > .3.. > > OK so I've just started an Aeroclub and Blue Max Biff back-to-back. Here > goes: > > 12,765,.......12,764,....12,763,......... > > Sandy ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 06:31:53 -0400 From: "Steven M. Perry" To: wwi Subject: Re: White decal list Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19981013063153.00756c5c@pop.mindspring.com> At 02:33 AM 10/13/98 -0400, you wrote: >>- lift here >>- AVRO inverted triangle logo (DF No.?) >>- Palmer Aero Tyres >>- Arrows >>- This machine must not be flown without passenger or equivalent in weight >>in gunners cockpit (re: Bristol Fighter DF Special Vol. 1 pg 49) >>- what else > >- Sopwith logo Albatros logo for rudders > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 06:38:51 -0400 From: "Steven M. Perry" To: wwi Subject: Re: White decal list Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19981013063851.00752c90@pop.mindspring.com> At 02:33 AM 10/13/98 -0400, you wrote: >>- lift here >>- AVRO inverted triangle logo (DF No.?) >>- Palmer Aero Tyres >>- Arrows >>- This machine must not be flown without passenger or equivalent in weight >>in gunners cockpit (re: Bristol Fighter DF Special Vol. 1 pg 49) >>- what else > >- Sopwith logo I wrote "Albatros Logo for Rudders" Duh, ah sorry about that, we're doing white here. So in white, I'd like to see several rows of numerals and select letters in several approprate fonts so one could make up tail numbers for specific airframes sp > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 05:57:16 -0500 From: Crofoot To: wwi Subject: Albatros at Squadron Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19981013055716.006afe18@pop.dlth.uswest.net> The cheap Edward Albatros DV kits are in the Squadron October supplement. The kit number is R-EU8013 and the price is $9.99. They can be ordered over the Internet as far as I know but I've never tried as they don't have a secure site. I, personally faxed my order in. Hope this helps, Tim ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 06:07:18 -0500 From: mbittner@juno.com To: wwi Subject: Caproni Ca.3 Message-ID: <19981013.060831.-247633.0.mbittner@juno.com> Although this will be a repeat, here's what I show on the Ca.3: Warbirds Vol 09 No 04 (just photo's of the Ca.3 as it was rolled out by the USAF Museum) Windsock Vol 05 No 01 (ditto above) Windsock Vol 06 No 06 (the "feature article") Windsock Vol 08 No 06 (Meikiraft review) WW1 Aero #134 (Cockpits/Instruments) WW1 Aero #155 (my db says "Repro photo") Matt Bittner ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 21:36:02 +1000 From: "David R.L. Laws" To: wwi Subject: Re: White decal list Message-ID: <3620981F.219C@webtime.com.au> Charles or Linda Duckworth wrote: > > The St. Louis group was discussing this very same oversight at our last > meeting and we started making up a list. No matter who produces the > decals, (I'm talking to a local model company here that did some > presentation decals for me) could we put together a list of what could run > in white first? At least we'd have a general list. Would also like to see > a source behind each for the artist to use a reference. > As Sandy started in his email: > - lift here > - AVRO inverted triangle logo (DF No.?) > - Palmer Aero Tyres > - Arrows > - This machine must not be flown without passenger or equivalent in weight > in gunners cockpit (re: Bristol Fighter DF Special Vol. 1 pg 49) > - what else > For the naval types ... " Trestle " and " trestle here " May as well have the italian and french/ belgian equivalents while we are at it - for " lift " and " trestle ' with arrows - two standard styles both are in white lettering Propeller and Maker's logos for Albatros etc... German warning stencils Heir antreten etc... DAVID ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 08:32:02 -0400 From: "Steven M. Perry" To: wwi Subject: 649th Aero Squadron Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19981013083202.00693fd8@pop.mindspring.com> Hi All: A friend at work is trying to learn more about his Grandfather's WWI unit. The unit was the 649th Aero Squadron, Capt. Lewis J. Neuman Commanding. The Grandfather in question was Sgt. Peek Smith. Does anyone on the list know more about this unit? Where was it stationed, with what mission was it tasked, did it have a unit insignia? TIA sp ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 05:56:48 +0000 From: Mike Dicianna To: wwi Subject: Re: White decal list Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19981013055648.006aeb60@dnc.net> At 02:58 AM 10/13/98 -0400, you wrote: a source behind each for the artist to use a reference. >>As Sandy started in his email: >>- lift here >>- AVRO inverted triangle logo (DF No.?) >>- Palmer Aero Tyres >>- Arrows >>- This machine must not be flown without passenger or equivalent in weight >>in gunners cockpit (re: Bristol Fighter DF Special Vol. 1 pg 49) >>- what else > > >White circles to put under non-opaque roundels > >OOOOHHHH!! GOOD ONE.... I could use about 50 "Lo!" decals :} > Mikedc "Der Rote Modellflugzeugbauer" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 07:56:47 -0500 From: John Huggins To: wwi Subject: Re: Albatros at Squadron Message-ID: >The cheap Edward Albatros DV kits are in the Squadron October supplement. >The kit number is R-EU8013 and the price is $9.99. They can be ordered >over the Internet as far as I know but I've never tried as they don't have >a secure site. I, personally faxed my order in. FYI The Squadron site is not what is known as a secure site, but all e-mail messages have a low levil encription when they leave your machine. Squadron opens the site once a day and downloads the messages to their machine, then goes off line to print out the orders. In almost 2 years of taking orders over the web, there has not been a problem. Think about it for a moment. How many times have you gone into a restarunat(sp) and handed your credit card to a total stranger who has gone somewhere for 5 to 10 minutes with the card? What are they doing with it? How many copies are they making? When you call or fax an order to a company, you either give the number in the clear over a phone line or fax it in the clear over a phone line with no encryption at all. All it takes is a fool with $10.00 worth of electronic parts from Radio Shack and they can listen to anything that is being said or transmitted. At least with E-Mail. if you don't have the opening codes, all you would get is noise. Just a thought. John ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 08:18:19 -0500 From: "Paul Schwartzkopf" To: wwi Subject: Re: Eduard Albatros DV Message-ID: Jason wrote: >Did you buy Eduard's supplementary photoetched parts for the Albatros >D.V/Va (they also have a sheet for their Pfalz DIII kits). These contain >cockpit details that may solve your future problems (although that >"dashboard" bar is reproduced in a similarly unsatisfactory fashion). Hi Jason, No, I didn't get that set. I think most PE just does not have the "3-D = depth" to it to represent the real object (such as the case of the = Albatros interior), so I usually don't buy a lot of it. Most of what I do = buy has been spoked wheels and Spandaus. In the case of the Eduard kits, = IMHO they already have too much of an over-reliance on PE parts. I am = very glad to see their later releases without PE in them. This is just my = own personal taste in how I build my models--I get more enjoyment from = scratching parts rather than cutting them off sprues. And in order to = scratch the parts, you need to research the subject, so you end up = learning something about it. Besides, it becomes harder for me to work with those small PE parts every = year I get older ;-)=20 Paul A. Schwartzkopf ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 08:32:14 -0500 From: "Paul Schwartzkopf" To: wwi Subject: Re: Albatros at Squadron Message-ID: John Wrote: >When you call or fax an order to a company, you either >give the number in the clear over a phone line or fax it in the clear = over >a phone line with no encryption at all. All it takes is a fool with = $10.00 >worth of electronic parts from Radio Shack and they can listen to = anything >that is being said or transmitted. Sorry for the bandwidth, but this reminds me of a story. I write software = for voice/data security products for two-way radios (i.e. police, = military, etc.) at work. We also have some encryption devices for the = ever poplular cell phones. One time while testing such a device, a = conversation was picked up on the service monitor from two outside = parties. The female voice was telling the male voice that she had told = her husband that she "would be working late" that night. Then she added = that she "neglected to tell him that I would be working naked". Fortunatel= y for them, we did not hear any names (Bill, Jennifer, Monica?). I think = you can get the point. Paul A. Schwartzkopf ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 14:58:29 -0700 From: "Sandy Adam" To: "AAA - WW1 Group" Subject: Maxwell brothers Message-ID: <199810131357.OAA23727@beryl.sol.co.uk> I wrote a while back about the Maxwell brothers flying in 56Sqdn in two different wars - an SE and a Hurri respectively - I know at least one member is building on this theme. Well I just got a book list which includes an ex-library copy of "The Vivid Air" by Alex Revell which tells the tale of these two, for 5GBP + shipping. If anybody is interested mail Mike Smith at Chelifer Books at militbks@aol.com HTH Sandy ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 09:15:47 -0500 From: "Dr. Phillip Anz-Meador" To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Caproni Ca.3 Message-ID: <01BDF68A.10C35B40.panz-meador@vsti.com> shane: one thing you might consider is contacting the museum staff and seeing if pictures (detail level established by you) could be obtained by them and shipped to you. as an example, i've had good luck in talking with the canadian museum regarding their AEG bomber. while it's taken a while (since mid summer), they are kind enough to put forth the effort to (a) copy drawings and (b) take digital photos of the cockpit areas. in fact, their first effort last month turned out so poorly that they will be taking more photos (with better lighting) this week. all for a request they received over their "contact us" button on thier web page. the USAF museum, as i'm sure you're aware, has a web page, with instructions for doing research at the museum. i'd think that your request would fit under the aegis of their research activity. HTH, phillip -----Original Message----- From: Shane Weier [SMTP:sdw@qld.mim.com.au] Sent: Monday, October 12, 1998 11:26 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Caproni Ca.3 Hello all, ...In February 95 I made my very first post to this list asking for pointers to good references on an aircraft I have no wish to mention here. Time to ask again. I'm looking for references for the Caproni Ca.3 I have.... Windsock International Nov 90 - plans, detail sketches, photos, colour details http://pease1.sr.unh.edu - photos courtesy of Charles Hart Janes - pics of Issota Fraschini 150hp A few magazine articles, not with me so unsure of the provenance. I have already made Wings I know..... That there's a Datafile coming, but I'm sure it won't have enough details of... Engine, engine accessories, engine bays (gondola and boom) Cockpit Gunners pulpit position If anyone has a bunch of photos of the USAF Museum machine, especially detail shots, or any drawings other than those above, AND would like someone to cause the inevitable appearance of several accurate, well detailed and moderately priced injection kits by daring to scratchbuild one - let me know Shane ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 1242 **********************