WWI Digest 1224 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Sierra 1/48 Roland C.II by "Jim Elkins" 2) List problems? by "Lee Mensinger" 3) Re: List problems? by Bob Pearson 4) RE: List problems? by Shane Weier 5) Re: List problems? by KarrArt@aol.com 6) Re: List problems? by "Jim Elkins" 7) The war with germany a statistical summary by "cameron rile" 8) Re: List problems? by "D. Anderson" <2814823733@home.com> 9) One-oh-thingies (was: List problems?) by bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) 10) All Quiet On My Western Front by Mike Dicianna 11) Re: All Quiet On My Western Front by mgoodwin@ricochet.net 12) Re: One-oh-thingies (was: List problems?) by "Jim Elkins" 13) Re: List problems? by mbittner@juno.com 14) RE: One-oh-thingies (was: List problems?) by "John C Glaser" 15) RE: List problems? by "John C Glaser" 16) Re: List problems? by Suvoroff@aol.com 17) RE: The war with Germany a statistical summary by "John C Glaser" 18) Re: The war with germany a statistical summary by "Jim Elkins" 19) Keep Ernest Thomas In Your Thoughts.... by Mike Dicianna 20) Re: All Quiet On My Western Front by Mike Dicianna 21) Re: List problems? by Bill Bacon 22) Re: List problems? by mbittner@juno.com 23) Re: Keep Ernest Thomas In Your Thoughts.... by mbittner@juno.com 24) Re: Hobby Shops, was List problems? by mbittner@juno.com 25) Re: List problems? by KarrArt@aol.com 26) Re: One-oh-thingies (was: List problems?) by KarrArt@aol.com 27) Re: List problems? by "Lee Mensinger" 28) A couple more aviation history sites by "cameron rile" 29) RE: Keep Ernest Thomas In Your Thoughts.... by Shane Weier 30) Re: One-oh-thingies (was: List problems?) by bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) 31) FinnFun wasRe: One-oh-thingies (was: List problems?) by KarrArt@aol.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1998 22:17:49 -0500 From: "Jim Elkins" To: Subject: Re: Sierra 1/48 Roland C.II Message-ID: <01bde9c5$67a90080$c037a497@default> >I have an old Sierra Vac. Can sell for $9.00 + postatge If no dibs yet. I'll take it! JIM ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1998 22:22:01 -0500 From: "Lee Mensinger" To: wwi, bpearson@kaien.com, "Lee Mensinger" Subject: List problems? Message-ID: <360DAF59.34D326A3@wireweb.net> Bob and every one else on the list. Perhaps It is a "fluke" of some kind but it is hard to believe what is happening here in South Central Texas. On a normal day I have received, usually , between 45 and 85 messages with more than 50 an average. Except weekends which delivers 25-30 a day. Perhaps there is an explaination as to why I have been receiving less than 25-30 per day since the 22nd of September. Using Bob P. as an example, and a very good one I might add, I received one message on Wednesday the 23rd and none at all since. When one of the busiest contributers is missing completely for three days there appears to be a problem.... And a total of 5 messages for almost all of Saturday is almost unheard of. It is now 2220 on the 26th of Sept. and that is the score card from the list. That isn't an indication of a well greased slide. Maybe a couple of the missing could "tap" out a note for Sunday and convince me all is well. Lee ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1998 20:39:01 -0700 From: Bob Pearson To: WW1 Mailing list , Lee Mensinger Subject: Re: List problems? Message-ID: <03390102903844@KAIEN.COM> Lee, AFAIK the list is still going fine. In my case my ISP has had email trouble the past week or so and has knocked me offline twice for periods of a day or so. And as for today I have been trying to get IE4 and Outlook express to work for the past eight hours. I eventually had to trash Outlook as it won't let me put a year and a half of IMN messages into it without crashing - too bad. When in doubt check the archives and see if you have all the messages from a particular day. Regards, Bob Pearson ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 13:35:29 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: wwi Subject: RE: List problems? Message-ID: <199809270352.NAA27424@mimmon.mim.com.au> Lee, >That isn't an indication of a well greased slide. Maybe a couple of the >missing could "tap" out a note for Sunday and convince me all is well. Lee I'm puzzled about where everyone is myself. It's been terribly quiet, but that has happened before. To put a little content into my post - once I log off here I'm going to add the rudder and aileron cables to a well known and hellaciously overlong project of mine. If Bristol had taken so long to build the things, the first Squadron would have arrived just in time - for WW2 Shane ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 00:19:01 EDT From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: List problems? Message-ID: <7484d33e.360dbcb5@aol.com> In a message dated 98-09-26 23:23:36 EDT, you write: << Bob and every one else on the list. Perhaps It is a "fluke" of some kind but it is hard to believe what is happening here in South Central Texas. On a normal day I have received, usually , between 45 and 85 messages with more than 50 an average. Except weekends which delivers 25-30 a day. >> Same here- almost no postings. I've not been terribly active my own sweet self! Four or five messages- that's it- that's all I've seen today (Saturday). Maybe we're all finishing models..........nah! Robert K. nl.... the roar of a P-40C( yep- a snarly snouted early version P-40- headed to the UK soon) version) 'Twas a nifty flight test at Chino yesterday. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 00:07:57 -0500 From: "Jim Elkins" To: Subject: Re: List problems? Message-ID: <01bde9d4$ca638420$2437a497@default> Without messages in reference to World War One, I fell off the wagon and purchased the Squadron/Signal Publication FINNISH AIR FORCE and found myself longingly staring at and debating building an, <> ME109!!! In 1/32nd scale.... HELP ME before I jump off the deep end! JIM ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 01:35:27 -0300 From: "cameron rile" To: wwi Subject: The war with germany a statistical summary Message-ID: <199809262235566@cameron.prontomail.com> dont know if everyone has seen this site or not , but it has published the statistical summary of the war with germany in world war 1 , it is authored by Colonel L.P Ayers in Aug 1919 from the general staff. pretty interesting read , has a deal of detailed statistical information on the USAS. http://raven.cc.ukans.edu/~kansite/ww_one/docs/statistics/statstc.htm cam Visit my homepage at http://www.prontomail.com/Prontomail/users/cameron ______________________________________________________________ Get Your Free E-mail and Homepage at http://www.prontomail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1998 23:30:43 -0600 From: "D. Anderson" <2814823733@home.com> To: wwi Subject: Re: List problems? Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19980926233043.006ac72c@mail> At 01:08 AM 27/09/98 -0400, you wrote: >Without messages in reference to World War One, I fell off the wagon and >purchased the Squadron/Signal Publication FINNISH AIR FORCE and found myself >longingly staring at and debating building an, <> ME109!!! In 1/32nd >scale.... HELP ME before I jump off the deep end! > > >JIM > > Speaking of S/S, I hear the reissued Albatros and Nieuport fighters books are out. Anyone seen them in shops yet? Dane ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1998 23:03:27 -0700 (PDT) From: bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) To: wwi Subject: One-oh-thingies (was: List problems?) Message-ID: <199809270603.XAA05337@ednet1.orednet.org> Jim writes: > >Without messages in reference to World War One, I fell off the wagon and >purchased the Squadron/Signal Publication FINNISH AIR FORCE and found myself >longingly staring at and debating building an, <> ME109!!! In 1/32nd >scale.... HELP ME before I jump off the deep end! Were one attracted to Finnish aviation, Albatros B.IIs and C.IIIs, Nieuport 10s and 23s, and Breguet 14s might be a more politically correct choice. I believe that Martinsyde Buzzards and Caudron C.IIIs are among the "acceptable" possibilities as well. I would encourage you to select one or more of the foregoing and not surrender to the dark side of the force by building one-oh-thingies. Although, if you still refer to them as Me-thingies rather than Bf-thingies, you have obviously not yet been sucked in by their attraction or become Beyond All Hope. Still, a Finnish one-oh-thingie is, at worst, a venial and not a mortal sin. Should you succumb to temptation, there is a twelve step recovery program available. "Hi! My name is Bill and I have built Bf one-oh-thingies." (ah, the shame, the absolute shame!) Cheers and all, Bill (recovered one-oh-thingie builder!) -- Bill Shatzer - bshatzer@orednet.org "You don't need a weather man to know which way the wind blows." -Bob Dylan- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1998 23:28:05 +0000 From: Mike Dicianna To: wwi Subject: All Quiet On My Western Front Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19980926232805.006876f8@dnc.net> I've noticed a lull in the trenches as well.... My own excuse is being involved at our local community theater for the last couple of months....This weekend is a George Gershwin Review (today is his 100th birthday) But after tomorrow's matinee...I get my life back!!! All I have had time to do lately is look at my workbench gathering dust and reading the postings on the list. Admittedly, the latter has not been too time consuming for a couple of weeks. On topic....Anybody interested in a 1/72nd Merikraft B.E.2c (early version) I have one available for trade. Looking for anything Udet/MvR... The Merikraft kit appears to be pretty good. Typical flash of limited run kit. Great looking decals (Liverpool all the way down the fuselage!!) Roundels in good register...A complete engine (would need some detailing bits) is a real plus...4 blade prop. I'm not a "scale snob", I go both ways (1/72nd-1/48th I mean...) Just don't think I will be building this one. Dont know if it is still available or not. Just a little spice to stimulate the group.... Mikedc "Der Rote Modellflugzeugbauer" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1998 23:50:19 -0700 From: mgoodwin@ricochet.net To: wwi Subject: Re: All Quiet On My Western Front Message-ID: <360DE02B.4AB3@ricochet.net> Mike Dicianna wrote: > On topic....Anybody interested in a 1/72nd Merikraft B.E.2c (early version) > I have one available for trade. Looking for anything Udet/MvR... OK, I'll bite. How about an ESCI Fokker D.VII (Berthold's markings)? Riordan ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 08:29:01 -0500 From: "Jim Elkins" To: Subject: Re: One-oh-thingies (was: List problems?) Message-ID: <01bdea1a$c9f88a80$4b37a497@default> >"Hi! My name is Bill and I have built Bf one-oh-thingies." (ah, the >shame, the absolute shame!) O.K. O.K. I found the one paragraph (no pics, of course) that deals with our era! Man, that was close! I'm visualizing an Albatros C.III floating lazily over Malmo! Ah, the serenity! Thanks guys! JIM ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 08:39:39 -0500 From: mbittner@juno.com To: wwi Subject: Re: List problems? Message-ID: <19980927.084141.-218133.0.mbittner@juno.com> On Sun, 27 Sep 1998 01:08:14 -0400 "Jim Elkins" writes: >Without messages in reference to World War One, I fell off the wagon >and >purchased the Squadron/Signal Publication FINNISH AIR FORCE and found >myself >longingly staring at and debating building an, <> ME109!!! In >1/32nd >scale.... HELP ME before I jump off the deep end! There, is that better? :-) Matt Bittner ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 08:38:40 -0500 From: "John C Glaser" To: Subject: RE: One-oh-thingies (was: List problems?) Message-ID: <000801bdea1c$234c0390$f011820a@johng-home> Now Bill! No shame at all. Remember, that one needs to admit that one has a problem - the first step in recovery. - Mr. G. > -----Original Message----- > From: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu [mailto:wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu]On Behalf Of > Bill Shatzer > Sent: Sunday, September 27, 1998 1:08 AM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: One-oh-thingies (was: List problems?) > > > > > > Jim writes: > > > >Without messages in reference to World War One, I fell off the wagon and > >purchased the Squadron/Signal Publication FINNISH AIR FORCE and > found myself > >longingly staring at and debating building an, <> ME109!!! > In 1/32nd > >scale.... HELP ME before I jump off the deep end! > > Were one attracted to Finnish aviation, Albatros B.IIs and C.IIIs, > Nieuport 10s and 23s, and Breguet 14s might be a more politically > correct choice. I believe that Martinsyde Buzzards and Caudron C.IIIs > are among the "acceptable" possibilities as well. I would encourage > you to select one or more of the foregoing and not surrender to the > dark side of the force by building one-oh-thingies. Although, if > you still refer to them as Me-thingies rather than Bf-thingies, > you have obviously not yet been sucked in by their attraction or > become Beyond All Hope. > > Still, a Finnish one-oh-thingie is, at worst, a venial and not a mortal > sin. Should you succumb to temptation, there is a twelve step recovery > program available. > > "Hi! My name is Bill and I have built Bf one-oh-thingies." (ah, the > shame, the absolute shame!) > > Cheers and all, Bill (recovered one-oh-thingie builder!) > > > -- > Bill Shatzer - bshatzer@orednet.org > > "You don't need a weather man to know which way the wind blows." > -Bob Dylan- > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 08:41:00 -0500 From: "John C Glaser" To: Subject: RE: List problems? Message-ID: <000901bdea1c$7648d370$f011820a@johng-home> Dane: I bought mine last week at my local plastic peddler's shop. Typical Squadron - good general references but is no Datafile. BTW. My local plastic peddler is Hobbies West in Houston Texas. IMHO the best shop in Houston. Where do other list members shop regularly and what do they look for in a shop? Might help the regular travelers on the list such as myself. - Mr. G. > -----Original Message----- > From: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu [mailto:wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu]On Behalf Of > D. Anderson > Sent: Sunday, September 27, 1998 12:46 AM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Re: List problems? > > > At 01:08 AM 27/09/98 -0400, you wrote: > >Without messages in reference to World War One, I fell off the wagon and > >purchased the Squadron/Signal Publication FINNISH AIR FORCE and > found myself > >longingly staring at and debating building an, <> ME109!!! > In 1/32nd > >scale.... HELP ME before I jump off the deep end! > > > > > >JIM > > > > > > Speaking of S/S, I hear the reissued Albatros and Nieuport fighters books > are out. Anyone seen them in shops yet? > > Dane > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 10:16:23 EDT From: Suvoroff@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: List problems? Message-ID: <2d630b55.360e48b7@aol.com> Since some have complained of an excessive silence on the list; AAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The sound of a modeller who glued the V-struts of his Eduard Albatros D.V upper wing before finding out THEY ARE TOO STINKING SHORT. Yours, James D. Gray ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 10:08:59 -0500 From: "John C Glaser" To: Subject: RE: The war with Germany a statistical summary Message-ID: <000a01bdea28$c16030e0$f011820a@johng-home> Cam: Excellent site. Thanks for the lead. - Mr. G. > -----Original Message----- > From: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu [mailto:wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu]On Behalf Of > cameron rile > Sent: Sunday, September 27, 1998 12:43 AM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: The war with Germany a statistical summary > > > dont know if everyone has seen this site or not , but it has > published the statistical summary of the war with germany in > world war 1 , it is authored by Colonel L.P Ayers in Aug 1919 > from the general staff. pretty interesting read , has a deal of > detailed statistical information on the USAS. > > http://raven.cc.ukans.edu/~kansite/ww_one/docs/statistics/statstc.htm > > > > cam > > > Visit my homepage at http://www.prontomail.com/Prontomail/users/cameron > ______________________________________________________________ > Get Your Free E-mail and Homepage at http://www.prontomail.com > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 10:42:29 -0500 From: "Jim Elkins" To: Subject: Re: The war with germany a statistical summary Message-ID: <01bdea2d$6f31bb40$7337a497@default> >dont know if everyone has seen this site or not , but it has published the statistical summary of the war with germany in world war 1 , it is authored by Colonel L.P Ayers in Aug 1919 from the general staff. pretty interesting read , has a deal of detailed statistical information on the USAS. > >http://raven.cc.ukans.edu/~kansite/ww_one/docs/statistics/statstc.htm Thanks Cameron! Excellent info. Appreciate the link! JIM ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 09:02:41 +0000 From: Mike Dicianna To: wwi Subject: Keep Ernest Thomas In Your Thoughts.... Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19980927090241.0069823c@dnc.net> Just watching the weather channel this AM and noticed Hurricane Georges is heading right for our fellow listmember (on sabatical to get some modeling done) Ernest Thomas. He lives in the "big easy" area.... I know we all will say a little prayer for the safety of him and his family... Mikedc "Der Rote Modellflugzeugbauer" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 09:20:41 +0000 From: Mike Dicianna To: wwi Subject: Re: All Quiet On My Western Front Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19980927092041.0069ada4@dnc.net> At 03:09 AM 9/27/98 -0400, you wrote: >Mike Dicianna wrote: > >> On topic....Anybody interested in a 1/72nd Merikraft B.E.2c (early version) >> I have one available for trade. Looking for anything Udet/MvR... > >OK, I'll bite. How about an ESCI Fokker D.VII (Berthold's markings)? > >Riordan > >Thanks for putting the DVII up on the block. Have already accepted a trade for a Merikraft Albatros D.II. Response came in quick on this one. Kind of fun this way... Thanks, BTW the Sopwith Decals came in the mail on friday....Many, many thanks. As forewarned, the "special" T-shirt transfer is on it's way to you on Monday!! Mikedc "Der Rote Modellflugzeugbauer" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 11:28:56 -0500 From: Bill Bacon To: wwi Subject: Re: List problems? Message-ID: <360E67C8.6BC1@netjava.net> Shane Weier wrote: > > Lee, > > >That isn't an indication of a well greased slide. Maybe a couple of > the > >missing could "tap" out a note for Sunday and convince me all is well. > Lee > > I'm puzzled about where everyone is myself. It's been terribly quiet, > but that has happened before. > > To put a little content into my post - once I log off here I'm going to > add the rudder and aileron cables to a well known and hellaciously > overlong project of mine. If Bristol had taken so long to build the > things, the first Squadron would have arrived just in time - for WW2 > > Shane justto let you know I'm still alive but busy as the devil on other things for now. Shane, from what I have been able to gather, in time for WW3 might be more reaistic. Sorrt, coildn't let that go by. We all patiently await. Cheers, Bill B. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 13:46:42 -0500 From: mbittner@juno.com To: wwi Subject: Re: List problems? Message-ID: <19980927.134830.-220239.1.mbittner@juno.com> On Sun, 27 Sep 1998 10:19:15 -0400 Suvoroff@aol.com writes: >The sound of a modeller who glued the V-struts of his Eduard Albatros D.V >upper wing before finding out THEY ARE TOO STINKING SHORT. You should have built in the right scale! ;-) Matt Bittner ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 13:47:48 -0500 From: mbittner@juno.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Keep Ernest Thomas In Your Thoughts.... Message-ID: <19980927.134830.-220239.2.mbittner@juno.com> On Sun, 27 Sep 1998 12:02:02 -0400 Mike Dicianna writes: >Just watching the weather channel this AM and noticed Hurricane >Georges is >heading right for our fellow listmember (on sabatical to get some >modeling done) >Ernest Thomas. > >He lives in the "big easy" area.... > >I know we all will say a little prayer for the safety of him and his >family... Not knowing my Florida geography: what about Sopwith Hobbies? Or is he too far inland. Matt Bittner ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 13:46:13 -0500 From: mbittner@juno.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Hobby Shops, was List problems? Message-ID: <19980927.134830.-220239.0.mbittner@juno.com> On Sun, 27 Sep 1998 09:45:44 -0400 "John C Glaser" BTW. My local plastic peddler is Hobbies West in Houston Texas. > IMHO the best shop in Houston. Where do other list members shop > regularly and what do they look for in a shop? Might help the > regular travelers on the list such as myself. Unfortunately Omaha is devoid of decent hobby shops. However, when I travel to Des Moines, it's always Hobby Haven. Plus when I travel to Kansas City, it's always Waldo's. Both specialize in older kits, plus you can find things there others - especially in Omaha - refuse to carry. For example, the last time in KC, I picked up a couple of items to help with my VVS fascination. One on drastic clearance (all because of a small fold in the cover) and the other I had been looking for for months. While at the shop in KC, I noticed they *did* have all the Toko kits. In fact, they had about 6 or 7 Nie.11's on the shelf. No, I didn't grab any that time - especially with 7 on my shelf. :-) So, for me the most important is: older kits; items hard to find otherwise; and a decent selection of aftermarket items. Plus having friends there count, as well, as in the shop in Des Moines. ;-) Matt Bittner ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 15:15:36 EDT From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: List problems? Message-ID: <230c33e1.360e8ed8@aol.com> In a message dated 98-09-27 01:06:52 EDT, you write: << Without messages in reference to World War One, I fell off the wagon and purchased the Squadron/Signal Publication FINNISH AIR FORCE and found myself longingly staring at and debating building an, <> ME109!!! In 1/32nd scale.... HELP ME before I jump off the deep end! JIM >> There is no help to be had. I fell off the deep end last April and this week I should have a 1/32 scratchbuilt Finnish Blenheim all done and sitting pretty. Next project- a 1/48 Fokker Spinne! Robert K. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 15:15:37 EDT From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: One-oh-thingies (was: List problems?) Message-ID: In a message dated 98-09-27 02:04:12 EDT, you write: << Were one attracted to Finnish aviation, Albatros B.IIs and C.IIIs, Nieuport 10s and 23s, and Breguet 14s might be a more politically correct choice. I believe that Martinsyde Buzzards and Caudron C.IIIs are among the "acceptable" possibilities as well. >> And Nieuport 17s, Fokker D VII, Spad ( VII or XIII- not sure),MS Parasol, etc.,etc. Robert K ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 14:29:42 -0500 From: "Lee Mensinger" To: wwi Subject: Re: List problems? Message-ID: <360E9225.1D6D2458@wireweb.net> Bob Pearson wrote: > Lee, > > AFAIK the list is still going fine. In my case my ISP has had email trouble > the past week or so and has knocked me offline twice for periods of a day or > so. And as for today I have been trying to get IE4 and Outlook express to > work for the past eight hours. I eventually had to trash Outlook as it won't > let me put a year and a half of IMN messages into it without crashing - too > bad. > > When in doubt check the archives and see if you have all the messages from a > particular day. > > Regards, > Bob Pearson For Bob and all the rest who sent "notes" which indicated life on the other end of the internet.. Thank you very much. It has restored my belief in additional life outside of Texas. After three and a half days with almost no treaffic I was beginning to become concerned. Not quite War of the Worlds, but concerned. Lee ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 17:09:20 -0300 From: "cameron rile" To: wwi Subject: A couple more aviation history sites Message-ID: <199809271407490@cameron.prontomail.com> Here are a couple more i have found , once again dont know if anyone has seen them before. http://www.baha.2-be.net/ That site is the Belgian Aviation History Association site , is a poor site but has a lot of info a few good pics. Has the orders of battle for the ww1 belgian aviation units too. http://www.nara.gov/cgi-bin/starfinder/0?path=images.txt&id=demo&pass=&OK=OK The NAIL digital archives search , there are quite a few public domain photographs of ww1 and ww1 aviation in it. I found a good pic of the 148th's aero Camels lined up , there are others , is primarily to do with the USAS. http://www.wtj.com/ The war times journal site , has Rickenbackers and Richtofens biographies as online books plus plenty of other stuff on the subject. http://pw2.netcom.com/~agrafix/desertaero.html A guy building a Pfalz DXII , pretty interesting topic :) cam btw , the homepage thingy below is completely bogus and a case of baltant advertising by prontomail. Visit my homepage at http://www.prontomail.com/Prontomail/users/cameron ______________________________________________________________ Get Your Free E-mail and Homepage at http://www.prontomail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 07:58:48 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: wwi Subject: RE: Keep Ernest Thomas In Your Thoughts.... Message-ID: <199809272216.IAA02924@mimmon.mim.com.au> Mike, >I know we all will say a little prayer for the safety of him and his family... ...and his models.... Shane ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 16:33:01 -0700 (PDT) From: bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) To: wwi Subject: Re: One-oh-thingies (was: List problems?) Message-ID: <199809272333.QAA03346@ednet1.orednet.org> Robert K writes (regarding Finnish a/c of the correct era): >And Nieuport 17s, Nieuport 17 - singular. Russian built. >Fokker D VII, Dunno about this 'un - can't find a reference. >Spad ( VII or XIII- not sure), A single Spad VII actually. Again, Russian built. >MS Parasol, Two license built Thulin Ds - which were, I think, identical to the MS "L" save for the engine and some panel details. Cheers and all, -- Bill Shatzer - bshatzer@orednet.org "You don't need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows." -Bob Dylan- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 20:01:49 EDT From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi Subject: FinnFun wasRe: One-oh-thingies (was: List problems?) Message-ID: <2520acb0.360ed1ed@aol.com> In a message dated 98-09-27 19:35:18 EDT, you write: << Robert K writes (regarding Finnish a/c of the correct era): >And Nieuport 17s, Nieuport 17 - singular. Russian built.>> yep! shouda made it clear >Fokker D VII, Dunno about this 'un - can't find a reference.>> got a photo of one in a Finnish magazine. I'd have to go dig it out, but it seems like it was lozenge, with the swastikas painted ( in black instaed of the more familiar blue)over the German crosses, no white circle. Ooooo, I couldn't stand it- I just went and dug it out- June '72 Suomen Siivet, page28- yep, just like I remembered! The potted English text says it was one of three the Finns had .Other airplanes in this photo feature are DFW CV, Spad VII on skiis,Rumpler C VIII on skiis and bunch of floatplane seathingies! >Spad ( VII or XIII- not sure), A single Spad VII actually. Again, Russian built.>> Don't know who built it- I'll take your word for it -but the one they had was captured from Red Forces and given no. "I.D./445" black characters with white outlines,dark brown fuselage, cdl wings, with blue swastika on a white circle painted on the rudder >MS Parasol, Two license built Thulin Ds - which were, I think, identical to the MS "L" save for the engine and some panel details. Cheers and all, Bill Shatzer - bshatzer@orednet.org>> Oh yeah- let us not forget the Avro 504 Robert K. ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 1224 **********************