WWI Digest 1212 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) RE: Americal by Shane Weier 2) Re: Hit Kits from Poland by REwing@aol.com 3) Laugh of the Day by Graham Nash 4) Re: Exterior finish by "Sandy Adam" 5) Re: Skybirds 86 by "Sandy Adam" 6) Re: Hit Kits from Poland by "Paul Schwartzkopf" 7) Re: Fw: Eduard & Classic Sale - OFF YOU GO LADS ! by "David R.L. Laws" 8) Re: EDUARD + CLASSIC SALE -WOOPS EMAIL ADDRESS! by "David R.L. Laws" 9) Re: Fw: Eduard & Classic Sale - OFF YOU GO LADS ! by "Sandy Adam" 10) A few more kit reviews by "Richard Eaton" 11) Americal - Making Amends by John Berlien 12) Re: Offensive Remarks by John Berlien 13) Re: Eduard Tripehound - A Little More info by John Berlien 14) RE: Profiles by John Berlien 15) Re: Ni.11 by Geoff Smith 16) A pup not a Biff (was Re: Exterior finish) by Geoff Smith 17) Re: Skybirds 86 by Franco Poloni 18) Sopwith pup w/floats? by Larry Neal 19) Shameless Plug was: Eduard Sale by infosilver@czechia.com 20) Re: Sopwith pup w/floats? by aew (Allan Wright) 21) Re: Hit Kits from Poland by GRBroman@aol.com 22) Profiles - 4Sale by BStett3770@aol.com 23) Re: Americal by DavidL1217@aol.com 24) Re: Roland C.II--again! by DavidL1217@aol.com 25) RE: Roland C.II--again! by Shane Weier 26) Re: A few more kit reviews & Le Prieurs by mbittner@juno.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 13:52:11 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: wwi Subject: RE: Americal Message-ID: <199809150408.OAA05288@mimmon.mim.com.au> FWIW, The author of the 1971 article was the late Peter L Grey (Gray?). It was the outcome of his research, including interviews with the Hans von Hippel. You can't copyright historical fact. Americals decals are based on PLG's research, plus observation of the Boistrancourt lineup photos and other single photos of aircraft present in those well known, and public domain, photos. The information in the booklet was not written by PLG, the profiles were not drawn by him. There are disagreements in detail on the colour of markings, the shape of markings and the ownership of the various machines. Even if the markings in magazine and decal sheet were identical, they wouldn't be PLG's to copyright UNLESS Americal had copied an *incorrrect* interpretation ! >Does the author of the 1971 article on the Jasta 5 Albatrosen in Scale Models >International have cause of action against Americal? Just a thought..... None whatever I'd think. This really just points up the fact that their IS such thing as "fair usage for the purpose of research", which Rob Johnson amply explained Shane ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 01:21:09 EDT From: REwing@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Hit Kits from Poland Message-ID: <54327bf0.35fdf945@aol.com> << Hate to be the sole naysayer, but IF these are one of the line of several kits which includes the A-H 253 series Albatros D.III (correct me if this is from another company), I'd have to say be careful. I got a look at one with Polish markings/sworl camo that had heavy flash and a very badly molded (virtually unusable) engine. Nice decal sheet with many Russo-Polish war options. FWIW, Riordan >> It is the same company. The price is right so I may just take a peek at one or two. I'm really getting curious now. The ad does say, "For Experienced Modelers." That's why I asked everyone. I want to see who's opinion I can trust!!!! -Rick- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 08:48:03 +0100 From: Graham Nash To: World War 1 Modelling List Subject: Laugh of the Day Message-ID: <199809150748.DAA28530@egate2.citicorp.com> I've just picked up this week's edition of World Aircraft Information Files The Most complete Aviation Reference Work Ever Published), a partwork series. Contact me off-list for a scan, if you would like a good (bad?) laugh... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 09:41:52 -0700 From: "Sandy Adam" To: Subject: Re: Exterior finish Message-ID: <199809150923.KAA15077@beryl.sol.co.uk> Absolutely Shane, I think we'd all seen the evidence on a whole range of British aircraft - the thing is some still thought that was no clear proof! However "Tumult in the Clouds" by Steel & Hart contains a transcript of the words of one of the other pilots who flew on the same mission where Sandy & Hughes were killed and he specifically tells how you moved the control wheel backwards and forwards in flight to trim the RE so it would fly itself in normal conditions. Sandy > > While seriously *not* wanting to re-argue that old thread, I might point > out that there are dozens of photos available which show the adjustment > mechanism - in particular the control horns just inboard of the > longerons abreast of the leading edge of the upper and lower tail fins. > While the actual adjusting lever (at starboard side of pilots seat) > isn't always as obvious, the horns would be rather pointless if they did > *nothing* > > Shane ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 10:24:02 -0700 From: "Sandy Adam" To: Subject: Re: Skybirds 86 Message-ID: <199809150923.KAA15087@beryl.sol.co.uk> I'm afraid I've lost Mike Eacock's phone number, Franco - he had said he was winding Skybirds up earlier this year in April, but I don't know if it happened or not. If I can find his number I shall phone him. Sandy ---------- > From: Franco Poloni > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Skybirds 86 > Date: 14 September 1998 13:08 > > Hi guys > is Skybirds still in business?? > do someone knows if will attend at the IPMS UK Nationals? > > thanks > Franco ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 07:42:00 -0500 From: "Paul Schwartzkopf" To: wwi Subject: Re: Hit Kits from Poland Message-ID: << Hate to be the sole naysayer, but IF these are one of the line of several kits which includes the A-H 253 series Albatros D.III (correct me if this is from another company), I'd have to say be careful. I got a look at one with Polish markings/sworl camo that had heavy flash and a very badly molded (virtually unusable) engine. Nice decal sheet with many Russo-Polish war options. =20 FWIW, =20 Riordan >> A guy in our IPMS club was telling me the other day that he was very = disappointed with these Albatros kits. Much flash, warped parts, and = fuselage halves that didn't match up. I didn't see them for myself, so I = can't confirm or deny what he said. Paul A. Schwartzkopf ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 01:15:17 +0000 From: "David R.L. Laws" To: wwi Subject: Re: Fw: Eduard & Classic Sale - OFF YOU GO LADS ! Message-ID: <35FF1125.104F@webtime.com.au> Well, gentlemen here it is - the most incredible deal I've ever seen For folks who can take the advantage of the current exchange rates it's so cheap it's nearly funny ! With apologies to Barry and the others in the trade who support us so handsomely State-side .... > > Stephen Watkins wrote: > > I Have been offered the following kits at never to be repeated prices. It appears that Eduard are selling out of their older stock so get in while you can. > > > > > > Steve > > > > > > 1/72 kits > > > ED7001 Sopwith Schneider, AU$8.00 > > > ED7002 Sopwith Baby , AU$ 8.00 > > > ED7003 Fokker D.VIII , AU$ 8.00 > > > ED7007 Fokker D.VIII Strip down , AU$ 13.00 > > > ED7008 Fi 156 Storch Strip down , AU$ 13.00 > > > ED7009 Piper L-4 Strip down AU$ 13.00 > > > ED7012 Spit. Mk.21 Profipack AU$ 13.00 > > > > > > 1/48 kits > > > ED8001 Siemens Schuckert D.III , AU$ 16.00 > > > ED8002 Fokker E.III , AU$ 16.00 > > > ED8005 Pfalz D.III , AU$ 16.00 > > > ED8006 Sopwith Baby , AU$ 16.00 > > > ED8007 Morane Saulnier Type L , AU$ 16.00 > > > ED8008 Hannover Cl.IIIa , AU$ 16.00 > > > ED8009 Albatros C.III , AU$ 16.00 > > > ED8010 Morane Saulnier Type N , AU$ 16.00 > > > ED8011 Sopwith Pup , AU$ 16.00 > > > ED8012 Fokker D.VI , AU$ 16.00 > > > ED8013 Albatros D.V AU$ 16.00 > > > ED8014 Sopwith Triplane , AU$ 16.00 > > > ED8015 PKZ-2 Helicopter, AU$ 12.00 > > > ED8016 DFW-28 Floh , AU$ 12.00 > > > > > > CLASSIC AIRFRAME kits 1/48 > > > 94401 Fokker D.XXI , AU$ 20.00 > > > 94402 Fiat CR.42 , AU$ 20.00 > > > 94403 Macchi MC.200 , AU$ 20.00 > > > 94404 B-P Defiant Mk.I , AU$ 20.00 > > > 94406 Polikarpov I-153 , AU$ 20.00 > > > 94407 He 51A w/wheels, AU$ 20.00 > > > 94410 He 51B-2 Floatplane, AU$ 20.00 > > > > DAVID ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 01:19:34 +0000 From: "David R.L. Laws" To: wwi Subject: Re: EDUARD + CLASSIC SALE -WOOPS EMAIL ADDRESS! Message-ID: <35FF1226.7E46@webtime.com.au> GUYS, You can email Steven Watkins at SMModels@onaustralia.com.au or smmodels@onaustralia.com.au the upper/ lower case doesn't appear to matter for this address DAVID ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 16:17:23 -0700 From: "Sandy Adam" To: Subject: Re: Fw: Eduard & Classic Sale - OFF YOU GO LADS ! Message-ID: <199809151516.QAA29708@beryl.sol.co.uk> Where? Sandy ---------- > From: David R.L. Laws > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Re: Fw: Eduard & Classic Sale - OFF YOU GO LADS ! > Date: 15 September 1998 08:04 > > Well, gentlemen here it is - the most incredible deal I've ever seen > > For folks who can take the advantage of the current exchange rates it's > so cheap it's nearly funny ! > > With apologies to Barry and the others in the trade who support us so > handsomely State-side .... > > > > Stephen Watkins wrote: > > > > I Have been offered the following kits at never to be repeated prices. > It appears that Eduard are selling out of their older stock so get in > while you can. > > > > > > > > Steve > > > > > > > > 1/72 kits > > > > ED7001 Sopwith Schneider, AU$8.00 > > > > ED7002 Sopwith Baby , AU$ 8.00 > > > > ED7003 Fokker D.VIII , AU$ 8.00 > > > > ED7007 Fokker D.VIII Strip down , AU$ 13.00 > > > > ED7008 Fi 156 Storch Strip down , AU$ 13.00 > > > > ED7009 Piper L-4 Strip down AU$ 13.00 > > > > ED7012 Spit. Mk.21 Profipack AU$ 13.00 > > > > > > > > 1/48 kits > > > > ED8001 Siemens Schuckert D.III , AU$ 16.00 > > > > ED8002 Fokker E.III , AU$ 16.00 > > > > ED8005 Pfalz D.III , AU$ 16.00 > > > > ED8006 Sopwith Baby , AU$ 16.00 > > > > ED8007 Morane Saulnier Type L , AU$ 16.00 > > > > ED8008 Hannover Cl.IIIa , AU$ 16.00 > > > > ED8009 Albatros C.III , AU$ 16.00 > > > > ED8010 Morane Saulnier Type N , AU$ 16.00 > > > > ED8011 Sopwith Pup , AU$ 16.00 > > > > ED8012 Fokker D.VI , AU$ 16.00 > > > > ED8013 Albatros D.V AU$ 16.00 > > > > ED8014 Sopwith Triplane , AU$ 16.00 > > > > ED8015 PKZ-2 Helicopter, AU$ 12.00 > > > > ED8016 DFW-28 Floh , AU$ 12.00 > > > > > > > > CLASSIC AIRFRAME kits 1/48 > > > > 94401 Fokker D.XXI , AU$ 20.00 > > > > 94402 Fiat CR.42 , AU$ 20.00 > > > > 94403 Macchi MC.200 , AU$ 20.00 > > > > 94404 B-P Defiant Mk.I , AU$ 20.00 > > > > 94406 Polikarpov I-153 , AU$ 20.00 > > > > 94407 He 51A w/wheels, AU$ 20.00 > > > > 94410 He 51B-2 Floatplane, AU$ 20.00 > > > > > > DAVID ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 10:41:10 -0500 From: "Richard Eaton" To: wwi Subject: A few more kit reviews Message-ID: <35FE8A96.B2B971E7@dsccc.com> FYI, I have added a few more early war kit reviews to my site at: www.onr.com/user/eatons/ Cruise by if you have a moment. * Early Nieuports * IMC Ilya Muromets * DH1a * My daughter's model. Regard's Richard ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 11:44:10 -0700 From: John Berlien To: wwi Subject: Americal - Making Amends Message-ID: I agree - we did something wrong, but as Dr. Merrill pointed out, even though we recognized it amongst ourselves, we just decided to take it off-list. I wasn't insulted by the comments - I understand that he was just plain mad about what happened and I don't blame him. He knows he has no recourse and feels violated. I am as bad as any offender since I have accepted almost all the scans that have been offered. I feel bad about his reaction, and feel like we should make it right with him somehow instead of acting offended or trying to further defend ourselves. How much is that Jasta 5 set anyway, and would it make sense for all of us who kept the scans to either purchase the set, or send him a letter stating that we have indeed deleted the copy? I admit that I'm cheap, and in most cases, regarding the scans I have received, wouldn't have bought the original in any case, so nothing was really lost by the action. In the Jasta 5 case, however, I might be interested (although only after the seeing "free sample"). I can't imaging working as hard as he has for so little. Someone said that he must not love his work because of his attitude - that is just baloney. How many of us who love modeling wouldn't get sick of it now and then if we HAD to do it, every day, whether we felt like it or not, for very little return? Best regards, Jack ------------------ Original text From: "Richard Eaton" , on 9/9/98 4:52 PM: Zulis@aol.com wrote: the group re-examined > its values, and had quite strongly come around to a realization that this was > wrong and could not continue. The offer of copies was withdrawn, and to the > extent possible, the wrong was corrected. The tone of the letter has > damaged the positive outcomes that could have come from a poor start, and that > is a shame. > > My two cents worth, > > Dave Zulis Good point Dave. Guys and Dr. Merrill (I assume you will read this archive at some point.) We all know that there was a technical violation of copyright here. I think all parties realize that it was not malicious. Dr. Merrill got a chance to vent OK? I know emotions are riding high right now i.e. pulling plugs ..... unsubscribing from the list.... not sending in orders..... going out of business..... burning research and materials..... Can we not step back and take a few deep breaths on this issue. Seems like we are doing potentially a lot more damage to our already small niche of a hobby than is necessary given the lack of criminal intent in the original violation. I am a customer of Dr. Merrill's and will continue to be one. I find his products unique and irreplaceable. If he decides to retire from this part time business I don't see anyone coming after him to take his place. I am a member of this list and will continue to be one. I enjoy it very much and would miss it terribly. Just a thought, Regards, Richard ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 12:02:19 -0700 From: John Berlien To: wwi Subject: Re: Offensive Remarks Message-ID: Hey, c'mon. We're all big boys. I live in Dallas, and my wife is from Louisiana. Let's not get offended by these comments. We all know who we are, and whether the comments apply to us or not. I know his letter had strong offensive comments, but Dr. Merrill is understandably mad and frustrated, and maybe a little panicked about this whole thing. Let's not get mad or offended (I am as guilty as anybody and resemble many of Dr. Merrill remarks). Let's see if we can try to make it right. After all, aren't we the last group of people who should be upsetting a WWI supplier and possibly hurting his business? Best regards, Jack ------------------ Original text From: "Jim Elkins" , on 9/9/98 4:17 AM: >If we engage in activities which pucker the Dr. Merrill's of this >world, we are gonna soon find ourselves in the "Great World War >One Drought of the 1970's" all over again. And THAT was no fun! > >Let's be supportive of the folks that are supportive of the WW1 >aviation model hobby and of the associated historical research. >Anything else is cutting our own throats! Well put, Bill. I also agree. I am primarily a LURKER reaping the benefits of you guys who piece together nothing short of MAGIC in the kits I see pictures of. This LIST is full of folks who give answers to people in milliseconds! How many times have people sent messages about the amount of assistance they received and how amazed they are at the amount of fun and sheer joy people have digging through their resources JUST TO HELP A FELLOW MODELER OR RESEARCHER!!!!! YES, there was a MAJOR BREECH of copyright that occurred. But knowing the nature of this LIST and its DISTINGUISHED (I mean that) members, we debated and hashed the idea to the point that the majority of us (and I'll check the archives to be sure) said "OOPS, let us rectify this." I honestly feel that A/G would have received MORE business just because many said "we screwed up and to make this right, I will support the efforts of these folks who grind out eclectic decals we cannot find anywhere else." Just look at some of the posts that ADMONISH each other to support the SMALL guy that does the WW1 community a great service. Yes, Mr. Merrill, I do understand the SMALL, and sometimes non-existent, profit-margin in WW1. We don't do what we do to get rich. We do it with GUSTO to aid our young ones in the LOVE of history and the sacrifice those folks made to write history! Some of us goofed, let's continue to make right our wrong. But, please, one can spell out their disgust without the calling of names and the universal statements that were made in the letter. I was a 'me too' on the JASTAGATE in question. I was wrong. I screwed up. Am I a cave-dwelling Billy-bob from skunk hollow that doesn't need to know how the decal process is done? I think too much of the list members to allow these kinds of remarks to stand. This list is a source of fun, I agree that we must be supportive of the folks that share our hobby. I also feel that we, as adults, can punish ourselves when we do wrong and feel sadness and a degree of debt to those we have wronged. I will just have to cool down from these remarks. Personal attacks are bad enough -- UNIVERSAL attacks are more pathetic and debase than that. CALMING DOWN IN TEXAS, JIM ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 12:31:38 -0700 From: John Berlien To: wwi Subject: Re: Eduard Tripehound - A Little More info Message-ID: Hey, one more little thing (I have the same question since I am at exactly the same point on my Smer version) - is the bracing molded into the sides wood? What color - dark brown or light wood color? What color is the rear cockpit bulkhead? Thanks, Jack ------------------ Original text From: "Sandy Adam" , on 9/10/98 1:53 PM: I've looked inside the Tripe at the RAF Museum and it, and all the other PC10 machines, as you would expect, show a linen colour, darkened by the application of the PC10 on the other side. FWIW, I use linen or CDL paint darkened with some brown for my RFC interiors. (I matched this up from the Strutter in the RAFM just before building the Tom's vacform and you can see this colour fairly clearly in the Strutter pictures Al put in the Images gallery recently) Sandy ---------- > From: Chris Cato > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Eduard Tripehound > Date: 10 September 1998 08:30 > > Having essentially finished up the Dako S.XVI that I've been working on for > a while, I've moved on to an Eduard Sopwith Triplane I intended to build > OOB. I've been trying to decide on colors for the interior cockpit sides. > At this point I have no real references on the Tripe nor have I been able > to find ones in local stores so I come to the list with a plea - was the > fabric CDL with PC10 painted over it? Should I try and show PC10 bleeding > through linen for the interior sides? I pretty sure I'm going to do this > one in the stripe markings the kit lists as for Jenner-Pearson's (sp?) Maud > - does anyone know the history of this craft? As an aside now that the > Dako kit is built up I have some questions about its accuracy but it does > build into an unmistakable S.XVI. I enjoyed it and may build another > corrected to be a production aircraft. > > Chris Cato > tcato@connix > > ps - As the person who initially requested information on von Hippel and > Jasta 5 I must offer my mea culpa in whatever hand I had in this incident. > Now that I've seen the quality and quantity of Dr. Merrill's research ( > instruction sheet is what I expected and research is what I got ) he will > get my order regardless of how he runs his business. The material is > unique, the decals are unique, and although I do not necessarily agree with > much of what Dr. Merrill has to say it seems it will be our loss if he goes > out of business. And with any luck that Jasta 5 book mentioned will be > available one day for my purchase! > > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 12:57:56 -0700 From: John Berlien To: wwi Subject: RE: Profiles Message-ID: They are all gone! ------------------ Original text From: "Dr. Phillip Anz-Meador" , on 9/12/98 5:19 PM: Russ: go to the UT-Dallas web site at: http://www.freeyellow.com/members2/aeroclassics/Page1.html and click on the "profile publications" on the right-hand side of the page. troll down to the bottom of the window presented you, and you will get a listing of ww1 profiles. note that the thing starts with a general listing of subjects covered (mostly ww2 and later), so that's why you have to scroll down the frame. phillip -----Original Message----- From: Russell W Niles [SMTP:r_niles@juno.com] Sent: Saturday, September 12, 1998 3:59 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Profiles Greetings all. Is there somewhere in our archives or out there on the web, a complete list of the Profiles of WW1 subjects? I may have an index of them somewhere in my collection of misc. pubs dating back to the '60's, but it may well be like looking for a needle in the haystack. A list of just the WW1 subjects would be handy to carry around in the wallet/planner. So, whenever you go to a show, out comes the list, and you are ready to shop. TIA Russ Niles IPMS 4450 Too close for missles.....switching to guns. _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 19:17:16 +0100 From: Geoff Smith To: wwi Subject: Re: Ni.11 Message-ID: <35FEAF2C.18E2@cwcom.net> Al Magnus wrote: >I have a photocopy of the front cover of an old Windsock, >Volume 5 No.3, Autumn 1989. It shows a N.11 in Escadrille Lafayette >markings. >Unfortunately I forgot to write down the particulars of this N.11. I >believe >that it is the N.11 of Raul Lufberry, and is an overall CDL/ECRU >finish. The >serial number on the rudder appears to be N1486. Can anyone verify this >info > for me and also is there any known photos of this a/c? Your info is correct. Others may know about photos. Geoff ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 19:30:44 +0100 From: Geoff Smith To: wwi Subject: A pup not a Biff (was Re: Exterior finish) Message-ID: <35FEB254.6B64@cwcom.net> Graham: >> Can anyone tell me the history of this aircraft? It's probably listed >in >> World War I Survivors but I don't own the book. > >I'm fairly sure that this a/c is a REPLICA, purposely left uncovered in >order to reveal its innards to us WWI modellers and the public. (Source >is the museum's Souvenir Brouchure which is at home at the moment-see >my >previous post about Annotating References however). > >Memory says that it was this aircraft which was the alledged 'proof' > >that WWI a/c had tailplanes that were adjustable in flight. Thanks, Graham, I didn't mention that not only does this aircraft have a BAPC registration, it DOESN'T have an MoD maintenance serial which SHOULD have been allocated to ALL originals not already having them not long ago. However since they're not too bright and manage to allocate the same serials to different aircraft, this doesn't prove anything. But have they built the fuselage wrong ? Geoff PS Looks like we been sold a pup instead of a Biff! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1998 20:27:05 +0200 From: Franco Poloni To: wwi Subject: Re: Skybirds 86 Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19980815202705.00691a38@lo.itline.it> At 05.30 15/09/98 -0400, you wrote: >I'm afraid I've lost Mike Eacock's phone number, Franco - he had said he >was winding Skybirds up earlier this year in April, but I don't know if it >happened or not. If I can find his number I shall phone him. >Sandy > Sandy Since I've got a couple of friends that will attend with a stand at the UK Nationals, I allready ask them to buy some Skybirds' kit, I will give them a list, hoping not to be too late. thanks. Franco ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 12:39:38 MDT From: Larry Neal To: wwi Subject: Sopwith pup w/floats? Message-ID: <199809151839.MAA10914@tcwb467.col.hp.com> Did the Sopwith Pup ever operate with floats? A friend wants to add some and I can't find any reference of Pups ever having floats. Flotation bags and deck skids yes, but floats?..... Any help/References would be appreciated Thanks, Larry larryn@col.hp.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Sep 98 22:03:12 -01 From: infosilver@czechia.com To: wwi Subject: Shameless Plug was: Eduard Sale Message-ID: On Tue, 15 Sep 1998 11:04:19 -0400 David R.L. Laws wrote: >Well, gentlemen here it is - the most incredible deal I've ever seen ...snip... >> > > 1/72 kits >> > > ED7001 Sopwith Schneider, AU$8.00 >> > > ED7002 Sopwith Baby , AU$ 8.00 ...snip... >> > > 1/48 kits >> > > ED8001 Siemens Schuckert D.III , AU$ 16.00 >> > > ED8002 Fokker E.III , AU$ 16.00 >> > > ED8005 Pfalz D.III , AU$ 16.00 >> > > ED8006 Sopwith Baby , AU$ 16.00 >> > > ED8007 Morane Saulnier Type L , AU$ 16.00 etc...etc... Well, according to the last letter Eduard lowers the prices of older kits for Christmas market - price reduction apply until Dec 24, 1998. Following is the list of kits on sale at Silverbird's in US$ Code Name USD EDA48001 Siemens Schuckert D.III 8.00 EDA48002 Fokker E.III 8.00 EDA48005 Pfalz D.III 8.00 EDA48006 Sopwith Baby 8.00 EDA48007 Morane Saulnier Type L 8.00 EDA48008 Hannover Cl.IIIa 8.00 EDA48009 Albatros C.III 8.00 EDA48010 Morane Saulnier Type N 8.00 EDA48011 Sopwith Pup 8.00 EDA48012 Fokker D.VI 8.00 EDA48013 Albatros D.V 8.00 EDA48014 Sopwith Triplane 8.00 EDA48015 PKZ-2 Helicopter 4.50 EDA48016 DFW-28 Floh 4.50 EDA72001 Sopwith Schneider 3.50 EDA72002 Sopwith Baby 3.50 EDA72003 Fokker D.VIII 3.50 EDA72007 Fokker D.VIII Strip Down 8.00 EDA72008 Fieseler Fi 156 Storch Strip Down 8.00 EDA72009 Piper L-4 Strip Down 8.00 EDA72012 Spitfire Mk.XXI Profi Pack 4.50 CLA48001 Fokker D.XXI 8.00 CLA48002 Fiat CR.42 8.00 CLA48003 Macchi MC.200 8.00 CLA48004 Boulton-Paul Defiant Mk.I 8.00 CLA48006 Polikarpov I-153 Chaica 8.00 CLA48007 Heinkel He 51 8.00 CLA48010 Heinkel He 51B-2 Floatplane 8.00 XXOA0100 Air Mail (Overseas) Postage 100g 3.00 XXOA0250 Air Mail (Overseas) Postage 250g 4.00 XXOA0500 Air Mail (Overseas) Postage 500g 6.00 XXOA1000 Air Mail (Overseas) Postage 1000g 10.00 XXOA2000 Air Mail (Overseas) Postage 2000g 18.00 XXOS0250 Surface Mail (Overseas)/Europe Postage 250g 3.00 XXOS0500 Surface Mail (Overseas)/Europe Postage 500g 4.00 XXOS1000 Surface Mail (Overseas)/Europe Postage 1000g 6.00 XXOS2000 Surface Mail (Overseas)/Europe Postage 2000g 10.00 XXOS0100 Surface Mail (Overseas)/Europe Postage 100g 2.00 Cheers! Ivan Subrt Silverbird On-line phone/fax +420 19 7446298 email: orders@czechia.com http://www.czechia.com/silverbird ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 17:32:26 -0400 (EDT) From: aew (Allan Wright) To: wwi Subject: Re: Sopwith pup w/floats? Message-ID: <199809152132.RAA18151@pease1.sr.unh.edu> > Did the Sopwith Pup ever operate with floats? A friend > wants to add some and I can't find any reference of > Pups ever having floats. Flotation bags and deck > skids yes, but floats?..... Maybe he's thinking about the baby? -Al =============================================================================== Allan Wright Jr. | You fell victim to one of the 'classic' blunders! University of New Hampshire+--------------------------------------------------- Research Computing Center | WWI Modeling mailing list: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Internet: aew@unh.edu | WWI Modeling WWW Page: http://pease1.sr.unh.edu =============================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 17:43:22 EDT From: GRBroman@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Hit Kits from Poland Message-ID: <5e3415ab.35fedf7a@aol.com> In a message dated 98-09-15 08:43:50 EDT, you write: << A guy in our IPMS club was telling me the other day that he was very = disappointed with these Albatros kits. Much flash, warped parts, and = fuselage halves that didn't match up. I didn't see them for myself, so I = can't confirm or deny what he said. >> Hmmm, maybe they're Glencoe knock-off's :) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 19:27:59 EDT From: BStett3770@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Profiles - 4Sale Message-ID: <1d090feb.35fef7ff@aol.com> Hi Guys Picked up some WWI Profiles at my show last weekend. I'll offer them to the list before I put them on my site. All in VG shape $6.00 each #5 Vicker F.B.27 Vimy (2) #37 Curtiss JN-4 #50 Sopwith 7F.1 Snipe #85 R.E.8 #62 D.H. 9 #109 Hanriot HD 1 #121 Sopwith 1 1/2 Strutter #181 DH 5 #187 Junkers Monoplanes (2) #193 Bristol M.1 (2) #199 Pfalz DXII #200 Martinsyde Elephant (2) #237 Bristol F.2b RAF 1918-32 #248 DH.9A RAF 1918-30 Contact me off list if anyones interested bstett3770@aol/com Keep Modeling Barry Rosemont Hobby www.swiftsite.com/rosemonthobby ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 21:18:51 EDT From: DavidL1217@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Americal Message-ID: <40e5a92a.35ff11fb@aol.com> I threw the issue (71 SMI article) up to illustrate how cloudy all of this actually is. Thanks for your feedback. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 21:25:11 EDT From: DavidL1217@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Roland C.II--again! Message-ID: This was the logic I too was adapting. FWIW the restored Pfalz D12 in Phoenix had a light, medium grey interior. At the OTF convention, Doug Champlin allowed us to walk up and pear into the cockpits. For which I will be eternally grateful! :-D ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 11:46:39 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: wwi Subject: RE: Roland C.II--again! Message-ID: <199809160203.MAA04766@mimmon.mim.com.au> David, >This was the logic I too was adapting. FWIW the restored Pfalz D12 in Phoenix >had a light, medium grey interior. At the OTF convention, Doug Champlin >allowed us to walk up and pear into the cockpits. For which I will be >eternally grateful! :-D So does 2600/18 at the AWM. Took a lot of photos of it last year (and to my shame have still not made the copies i promised to send to several folk). The AWM restoration is reputed to be of extremely high quality. Shane ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 20:55:49 -0500 From: mbittner@juno.com To: wwi Subject: Re: A few more kit reviews & Le Prieurs Message-ID: <19980915.205555.-79087.3.mbittner@juno.com> On Tue, 15 Sep 1998 11:51:44 -0400 "Richard Eaton" writes: >FYI, I have added a few more early war kit reviews to my >site at: >www.onr.com/user/eatons/ Great job! I *really* like the Nieuports. You did a great job on the Merlin. I'm not sure if it matters or not, but for those deciding on mounting the Le Prieurs, there are three unique items on a Le Prieur equipt Nieuport: the top of the bottom wing under the struts had thin sheet metal, the struts were wrapped in thin sheet metal, and there was a very unique site (I have seen on most LP Nieuports, but not all) that looks like a "diving rod". Just in case anybody was interested. Matt Bittner _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 1212 **********************