WWI Digest 1208 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: SE-5a kits? by "D. Anderson" <2814823733@home.com> 2) Re: Spad VII at Squadron by mgoodwin@ricochet.net 3) decals: Almark by "D. Anderson" <2814823733@home.com> 4) Roland C.II colours by "D. Anderson" <2814823733@home.com> 5) Naval hexagonal decals and Copper State by "Charles or Linda Duckworth" 6) September 12, 1918 by BStett3770@aol.com 7) Re: Roland C.II colours by "Charles or Linda Duckworth" 8) RE: SE-5a kits? by Shane Weier 9) RE: Exterior finish by Shane Weier 10) Re: decals: Almark by mbittner@juno.com 11) RE: interesting tidbit (?) by Shane Weier 12) RE: Letter from Americal by Shane Weier 13) Re: Roland C.II colours by "D. Anderson" <2814823733@home.com> 14) Re: Spad VII at Squadron by mbittner@juno.com 15) Re: Shon Howell came through!! by mbittner@juno.com 16) Re: Spad VII at Squadron by dianep@webtv.net (Diane Pessler) 17) Re: SE-5a kits? by David Laws 18) Re: SE-5a kits? by infosilver@czechia.com 19) Roland C.II--again! by "D. Anderson" <2814823733@home.com> 20) Re: Roland C.II colours by REwing@aol.com 21) Re: Translation of Ozspeak by Suvoroff@aol.com 22) Re: Spad VII at Squadron by "Sandy Adam" 23) Roundels on CDL vs PC10 by "Charles or Linda Duckworth" 24) Profiles by "Charles or Linda Duckworth" 25) RE: Roland C.II--again! by Shane Weier 26) "Larry" by Shane Weier 27) Re: SE-5a kits? by bucky@ptdprolog.net 28) Re: Roland C.II colours by mgoodwin@ricochet.net 29) Re: Profiles by Bob Pearson 30) uncopyrightable? by "John C Glaser" 31) couple of questions by magnus family 32) Re: SE-5a kits? by KarrArt@aol.com 33) Rolands interior wasRe: Profiles by KarrArt@aol.com 34) Re: Roundels on CDL vs PC10 by KarrArt@aol.com 35) Re: uncopyrightable? by KarrArt@aol.com 36) Re: Roland C.II--again! by KarrArt@aol.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 20:12:21 -0600 From: "D. Anderson" <2814823733@home.com> To: wwi Subject: Re: SE-5a kits? Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19980911201221.006d0fd0@mail> At 07:51 PM 11/09/98 -0400, you wrote: >D. Anderson wrote: >> >> I just received a copy of the Windsock datafile SE-5a, and was wondering >> about kits. >> >> 1. Does anyone know when the Blue Max 1/48 SE-5a is going to be out? > >As soon as Mr. Gannon learns how to photoetch gold, so he can pierce the >60 pound/ $100 threshold for his kits (just kidding! running for cover >:-)) > >> 2. Where can I get my hands on the rare Revell SE-5a? > >If you are unable to squeeze one out of the list and failing all else, >give Mr. Allen of Santa Cruz, CA a call (408?)475-7755, 3703 Portola >Drive. He has a number of the more common Collector's Choice Revell >kits, and is only asking about $5 each. I recall seeing at least a >couple SE5as. He doesn't usually do mail order out of his shop, but he >might be talked into it - I warned him I'd be ratting him out to the >list. IIRC, he also has a few Aurora WWI kits for sale. Sounds good. I may give that a try too. You sure he won't mind the call and the inquiry? I just don't know if I can handle any more cranky businessmen for a while. Dane >Riordan > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 19:09:47 -0700 From: mgoodwin@ricochet.net To: wwi Subject: Re: Spad VII at Squadron Message-ID: <35F9D7EB.34F6@ricochet.net> Carlos Valdes wrote: > > The latest Squadron flyer has the 1/48 JMGT SPAD VII for $74.97, if > anyone's interested. > Thanks for the thought, Carlos, but I've still got a student loan payment, auto hifi, FMP books, power tools, veterinary bills, and other priorities that would each be more than covered by such an absurdly large sum. :-) It makes the Blue Max kit seem affordable at around 45 bones. (Am I talking myself into something...?) Riordan (aka Gordon the chiseler) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 20:17:41 -0600 From: "D. Anderson" <2814823733@home.com> To: wwi Subject: decals: Almark Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19980911201741.00686f38@mail> What's the expert consensus on the Almark WW I sheets (either scale, I'm not a scale bigot)? They seem to have a respectable selection, and so far I haven't been the butt of any of nasty "jokes" from Almark, and I'm putting in a Roll Model order soon anyway. Dane ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 20:19:03 -0600 From: "D. Anderson" <2814823733@home.com> To: wwi Subject: Roland C.II colours Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19980911201903.006cf978@mail> Got the datafile on the C.II just a few days ago. Great book--I'm happy. However, I was surprised to hear how rare the green & purple ones were. According to the colour notes, the camo'd ones were mostly green and brown. But what's weird is that one of the profiles on the back, which is captioned as being green & brown, appears as green & purple. Oh man! I just wanted to paint a kit up green & purple. Dane ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 21:35:43 -0500 From: "Charles or Linda Duckworth" To: Subject: Naval hexagonal decals and Copper State Message-ID: <199809120232.VAA16591@mail.primary.net> Steve and Shane - thanks for your comments/feedback on the naval hex decals. I ordered two sets today from Eric Hight with Copper State models. Besides ordering we discussed his next releases for this year; an SE5 (five different versions) , Albatros W4 and DI and a HB W.12 HB in two versions (radiator mounted in the top wing or front mounted as with a car). Eric said these were even better his Fokker D.V (Peter Fedders brought over an example at one of our St. Louis meetings and it was probably one of the best casting I have seen of a WWI a/c in 1/48 from a small company). Thank goodness I have a B'day coming up in October and my wife is always asking for ideas...... Charlie ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 22:38:46 EDT From: BStett3770@aol.com To: wwi Subject: September 12, 1918 Message-ID: This Date 1918 Frank Luke's first Balloon victory Keep Modeling Barry Rosemont Hobby Shop www.swiftsite.com/rosemonthobby ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 21:54:18 -0500 From: "Charles or Linda Duckworth" To: Subject: Re: Roland C.II colours Message-ID: <199809120250.VAA21143@mail.primary.net> Dane, the Profile (issued in 1967) on the Roland CII No. 163 has two side profiles in green and purple scheme and nine photos of a/c in 'dark' camo colors. Hope this helps Charlie ---------- > From: D. Anderson <2814823733@home.com> > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Roland C.II colours > Date: Friday, September 11, 1998 9:27 PM > > Got the datafile on the C.II just a few days ago. Great book--I'm happy. > However, I was surprised to hear how rare the green & purple ones were. > According to the colour notes, the camo'd ones were mostly green and brown. > But what's weird is that one of the profiles on the back, which is > captioned as being green & brown, appears as green & purple. > > Oh man! I just wanted to paint a kit up green & purple. > > Dane ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 12:53:14 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: wwi Subject: RE: SE-5a kits? Message-ID: <199809120310.NAA22603@mimmon.mim.com.au> Robert notes: >The best one could say about the Lindberg kit is that it's got potential. Kind >of a half SE5 and SE5a, the nose is odd, and, my pet gripe with a lot of the >older kits- inaccurately placed ribs- BUT- the thing can be overhauled into a >pretty sharp model.Oh yeah- the detail stuff- prop, guns etc.- not that great. >Strangely, though, I like this kit! I agree. The kit IS likeable for all its faults. I have both the Lindberg and Monogram, and the Monogram has clearly better detail parts and somewhat better overall shape. If you don't mind it being a little oversize in a 1/48 collection it builds into a nice representation with minimal effort after a scratchbuilt cockpit is added (Eduard makes brass which gives a start). however, for some reason, and despite the oddly coloured soft plastic, the Lindberg is my favourite. Maybe because it was my first ever "serious" WW1 model in 1/48 (I skinned the wings to correct ribs,and replaced the Lewis, but did little else - but it was a start) Beauty is in the eye of the beholder - even in models. Some just get the juices flowing despite their faults! Shane ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 13:09:09 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: wwi Subject: RE: Exterior finish Message-ID: <199809120325.NAA22638@mimmon.mim.com.au> Geoff, >Should we open the betting on whether Shane knows off the top of his >head? :-) ROTFL. Sadly, i don't have a clue. I assumed that the machine at Hendon would be original, at least in the majority of its structure, but also assume that at some stage it will have been "restored". Sadly, that has meant different things over the years, so depending on *when* it was done it may not have been covered or finished properly, just in a fashion which looked (externally) correct. Horror stories abound at aircraft museums of priceless airframes painted with mixes of house paint after the "restorers" carefully scraping and sanding off all the "old flaky paint". So maybe the visible roundel means something - and maybe not. We need to know the restoration history as well Shane (Bloody Biffs. There will come a time I wish I never heard of them - and it'll be damned soon ;-) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 21:39:32 -0500 From: mbittner@juno.com To: wwi Subject: Re: decals: Almark Message-ID: <19980911.214005.-244735.2.mbittner@juno.com> On Fri, 11 Sep 1998 22:26:19 -0400 "D. Anderson" <2814823733@home.com> writes: >What's the expert consensus on the Almark WW I sheets (either scale, >I'm >not a scale bigot)? They seem to have a respectable selection, and so >far I >haven't been the butt of any of nasty "jokes" from Almark, and I'm >putting >in a Roll Model order soon anyway. I have used the four-color on the D.VII I built on the web page. My top three lozenge makers are (and this has always been this way): Americal, Pegasus, Almark. Any others I lump together, as in "buy if I can't get the other three". Plus, I also have the British roundels (don't tell Shane or Sandy, please :-)) and like them the best of the ones I have (in other words, much better than Superscale). Matt Bittner _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 13:16:21 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: wwi Subject: RE: interesting tidbit (?) Message-ID: <199809120334.NAA22677@mimmon.mim.com.au> Carlos, >I saw a small story in today's paper that the German government has >just awarded Steven Spielberg, because of his "Schindler's List," the >Orden Pour Le Merite >(the civilian version, of course, which is still in use). I wonder if Tom Kenneally, author of the best selling and award winning "Schindlers Ark" will get one? Shane ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 13:22:49 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: wwi Subject: RE: Letter from Americal Message-ID: <199809120339.NAA22699@mimmon.mim.com.au> James, in confusion over my compatriots exclamation: >"3) everyone's now had a chance to spit the dummy" asks.. >Now, since the woman I live with is a rabid Anglophile, I know that a "dummy" >is what we call in America, a pacifier. However, I STILL don't understand >what this means, exactly... translate please. "Spit the dummy" == have a tantrum, though usually without the connotation of childishness. Also.. "chuck a wobbly", which has precisely the same meaning Shane (Weier, the fat one from Brisbane, not the other bloke) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 21:27:43 -0600 From: "D. Anderson" <2814823733@home.com> To: wwi Subject: Re: Roland C.II colours Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19980911212743.006d23f8@mail> At 10:53 PM 11/09/98 -0400, you wrote: >Dane, the Profile (issued in 1967) on the Roland CII No. 163 has two side >profiles in green and purple scheme and nine photos of a/c in 'dark' camo >colors. > >Hope this helps I always appreciate it when someone takes the time to help out. But I think that the profile is quite old, and maybe too old to be reliable for colour info. I suspect the datafile, published in 1995, reflects more current research. Now a much better informed list member will tell me I'm way wrong. Which would be nice. You don't want to know how badly I want a purple/green C.II. Dane p.s. Where'd ya get your hands on the profile? What I wouldn't give to get all the WW I issues. >Charlie > >---------- >> From: D. Anderson <2814823733@home.com> >> To: Multiple recipients of list >> Subject: Roland C.II colours >> Date: Friday, September 11, 1998 9:27 PM >> >> Got the datafile on the C.II just a few days ago. Great book--I'm happy. >> However, I was surprised to hear how rare the green & purple ones were. >> According to the colour notes, the camo'd ones were mostly green and >brown. >> But what's weird is that one of the profiles on the back, which is >> captioned as being green & brown, appears as green & purple. >> >> Oh man! I just wanted to paint a kit up green & purple. >> >> Dane > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 21:35:47 -0500 From: mbittner@juno.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Spad VII at Squadron Message-ID: <19980911.213554.-244735.1.mbittner@juno.com> On Fri, 11 Sep 1998 21:45:01 -0400 Carlos Valdes writes: >The latest Squadron flyer has the 1/48 JMGT SPAD VII for $74.97, if >anyone's interested. Bwahahahaha... Yea, right. :-) Matt Bittner _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 21:35:06 -0500 From: mbittner@juno.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Shon Howell came through!! Message-ID: <19980911.213554.-244735.0.mbittner@juno.com> On Fri, 11 Sep 1998 21:02:07 -0400 "Jeff Curtis" writes: >I got my order from Shon too, complete with some freebies. I sent him >a >meesly $6 for a Sierra Scale LVG C.VI, and I got the kit and 4 decal >sheets. Upper and lower 4 and 5-color lozenge sheets. Quite a nice >suprise. Mine came as well, although I didn't receive any freebies with the Xtravac Albatros D.III... Matt Bittner _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 21:42:18 -0700 (PDT) From: dianep@webtv.net (Diane Pessler) To: wwi Subject: Re: Spad VII at Squadron Message-ID: <16799-35F9FBAA-2416@mailtod-151.iap.bryant.webtv.net> 74.97? Now I could probably do some real damage to that kit and feel worse than ever about it. John ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 15:11:27 +1000 From: David Laws To: wwi Subject: Re: SE-5a kits? Message-ID: <35F75F7E.10E3@webtime.com.au> The Lindbergt SE5A ain't too bad at all - dimensionally very accurate by my data file and the trailing edges are very very thin - Needs beefing up on the detail but even a Eduard requires that if your doing a true scale model ( eyes and time permitting !!! - don't forget to allow carpet crawling time as well - some of those pesky tiny bits we scratch build are camoflaged - they must be I never find them again! ) DAVID ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Sep 98 20:18:19 -01 From: infosilver@czechia.com To: wwi Subject: Re: SE-5a kits? Message-ID: On Fri, 11 Sep 1998 03:43:25 -0400 Graham Nash wrote: >D. Anderson wrote: > >> >> 2. Where can I get my hands on the rare Revell SE-5a? I am not >Comet Minatures here in the UK, usually has one or two. I'm sure I saw >an ESCI down there recently, and perhaps even a Revell, but you should >expect to PAY for them, as they're never cheap :^( > What's the approx. price then? Ivan Subrt ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 23:35:56 -0600 From: "D. Anderson" <2814823733@home.com> To: wwi Subject: Roland C.II--again! Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19980911233556.006ab078@mail> Hi. Was looking over my new Roland C.II datafile again, and the Airfix and BlueMax kits. Anyway. The instructions for the BM kit say that the interior would be wood--not too controversial--and that the colour would be wood. However, the interior photos of the Datafile show a very even colour, not at all like it should be if it were unpainted wood. It looks like painted wood to me. Questions are: what would the colour be? And was this a one-off? Pardon me if this got asked in the list before, but I gave all my old files the chuck a week or two ago on account of hard-drive space restrictions. Dane ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 01:59:42 EDT From: REwing@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Roland C.II colours Message-ID: <3e02994d.35fa0dce@aol.com> << I always appreciate it when someone takes the time to help out. But I think that the profile is quite old, and maybe too old to be reliable for colour info. I suspect the datafile, published in 1995, reflects more current research. Now a much better informed list member will tell me I'm way wrong. Which would be nice. You don't want to know how badly I want a purple/green C.II. Dane >> The camoed Roland is a C.IIa, and has some external changes. The BM kit is a C.II and I have found only the light-bluish finish on those. The guy who did the review of the kit in the last issue of "Windsock", also did the camo on the plane. He did the red-brown/green version, which is probably the correct one for the time period we are looking at. Even Ray goofs up now and then, and he will admit it. I, too, wanted to do the lilac/green on my C.II model really, really bad. Oh well! BTW, does anyone know where the aileron rod entered the underside of the upper wing of the C.IIa? The Datafile isn't too clear on this and the pictures don't help either. TIA. -Rick- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 03:53:30 EDT From: Suvoroff@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Translation of Ozspeak Message-ID: Thanks to all who helped me with the esoteric and interesting phrase! Yours, James D. Gray ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 09:32:38 -0700 From: "Sandy Adam" To: Subject: Re: Spad VII at Squadron Message-ID: <199809120830.JAA19968@beryl.sol.co.uk> Thing is, its an absolutely beautiful little kit - thinnest wings I've seen. It, and the Hanriot, are amongst the best there is - but 75 smackers? Wait for a Bruce Beamish Special! Sandy > > 74.97? Now I could probably do some real damage to that kit and feel > worse than ever about it. > John > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 07:14:25 -0500 From: "Charles or Linda Duckworth" To: Subject: Roundels on CDL vs PC10 Message-ID: <199809121222.HAA09930@mail.primary.net> > So maybe the visible roundel means something - and maybe not. We need to > know the restoration history as well I've checked out and watched the Canadian film on WWI aviation 3-4 times, there is a scene showing several women applying fabric and dope to a Sopwith Camel being built. One of the women is clearly brush painting the roundel on to the CDL and you can almost make out the lines on there the blue/white/red are to be applied. The next scene shows PC10 being applied carefully around the outer white ring. I know this is merely one scene out of a movie and I'm not meaning to over generalize but in this case visual proof exits that the roundel was applied on the CDL. Charlie ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 07:34:57 -0500 From: "Charles or Linda Duckworth" To: Subject: Profiles Message-ID: <199809121231.HAA10949@mail.primary.net> > p.s. Where'd ya get your hands on the profile? What I wouldn't give to get > all the WW I issues. In my wise early teenage years (pre-girls) in the late 1960's I discovered the bound copies of the Profiles at my local library. Decided it would be a wise investment and started using my well earned grass-cutting money to get my own. Ordered, I believe from Sky Books in New York City. Was able to buy all the WWI issued ones, still have them and still enjoy reading them. There was a thread on the interior colors for the Roland and I think the vote was the interior was doped grey and not a clear doped wood. Can someone else help? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 23:06:55 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: wwi Subject: RE: Roland C.II--again! Message-ID: <199809121325.XAA24092@mimmon.mim.com.au> Dane, >Anyway. The instructions for the BM kit say that the interior would be >wood--not too controversial--and that the colour would be wood. We had a long and hotly contested thread on this very subject some months back. I *think* the consensus was that the interior was doped overall in some colour (probably grey) on the rounds that the fuselage walls and frame were identical in colour with no apparent variation - somewhat unlikely when the wood of the frame is compared to the wood of the walls. Whats more, I thought that the construction method included doped on tapes over the joins between the strips of wood making the shell, and surely *that* would leave a striped wood/fabric interior if it wasn't painted over. (My recollection of the "consensus" may be skewed by my adhering to the above view) :-\ Shane ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 23:32:26 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi'" Subject: "Larry" Message-ID: <199809121349.XAA24152@mimmon.mim.com.au> Folks, For what it's worth.... The person doing the trolling on usenet has now tried further to stir up a flame war by accusing me of "a general lack of class (which sort of fits with some other activities of late by listees)." You might all just as well expect to get a bit of nuisance mail and general grief. Regards Shane Weier ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 10:32:18 -0400 From: bucky@ptdprolog.net To: wwi Subject: Re: SE-5a kits? Message-ID: <35FA85F2.4846F92E@ptdprolog.net> I started an SE5a a few ,months ago with the intention of marking it in 56 Sq. colors for Maxwell's plane. I combined parts from both of these kits (too many unmade lying around...killed two boxes in one project ;-} ) and so far I am happy. One had nice struts, one has nice wings, one has nice fuselage, etc. Mike Muth Shane Weier wrote: > Robert notes: > > >The best one could say about the Lindberg kit is that it's got > potential. Kind > >of a half SE5 and SE5a, the nose is odd, and, my pet gripe with a lot > of the > >older kits- inaccurately placed ribs- BUT- the thing can be overhauled > into a > >pretty sharp model.Oh yeah- the detail stuff- prop, guns etc.- not that > great. > >Strangely, though, I like this kit! > > I agree. The kit IS likeable for all its faults. I have both the > Lindberg and Monogram, and the Monogram has clearly better detail parts > and somewhat better overall shape. If you don't mind it being a little > oversize in a 1/48 collection it builds into a nice representation with > minimal effort after a scratchbuilt cockpit is added (Eduard makes brass > which gives a start). > however, for some reason, and despite the oddly coloured soft plastic, > the Lindberg is my favourite. Maybe because it was my first ever > "serious" WW1 model in 1/48 (I skinned the wings to correct ribs,and > replaced the Lewis, but did little else - but it was a start) > > Beauty is in the eye of the beholder - even in models. Some just get the > juices flowing despite their faults! > > Shane ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 08:36:12 -0700 From: mgoodwin@ricochet.net To: wwi Subject: Re: Roland C.II colours Message-ID: <35FA94EC.747F@ricochet.net> REwing@aol.com wrote: > > << I always appreciate it when someone takes the time to help out. But I think > that the profile is quite old, and maybe too old to be reliable for colour > info. I suspect the datafile, published in 1995, reflects more current > research. Now a much better informed list member will tell me I'm way > wrong. Which would be nice. You don't want to know how badly I want a > purple/green C.II. > > Dane >> > > The camoed Roland is a C.IIa, and has some external changes. The BM kit is a > C.II and I have found only the light-bluish finish on those. The guy who did > the review of the kit in the last issue of "Windsock", also did the camo on > the plane. He did the red-brown/green version, which is probably the correct > one for the time period we are looking at. Even Ray goofs up now and then, > and he will admit it. I, too, wanted to do the lilac/green on my C.II model > really, really bad. Oh well! "In April 1917 Idflieg decreed that purple and/or lilac should replace the red/brown and since many Rolands served up to June that year, some may have worn the new colours." (Rimell, 1995) So scratch a late C.IIa large empennage for it, paint it lilac/green and call it a conjectural scheme. If no one can actually prove you wrong ("Study of monochrome photos makes interpretation difficult...") then go with it. When you're done with that, try 3-color (brown/olive/khaki) Nieuport 11 schemes. FWIW, Riordan ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 09:13:45 -0700 From: Bob Pearson To: WW1 Mailing list Subject: Re: Profiles Message-ID: <16134577909239@KAIEN.COM> > > p.s. Where'd ya get your hands on the profile? What I wouldn't give to > get > > all the WW I issues. I didn't start buying Profiles until about ten years ago. Over the next two years I was then I able to find all but one or three of the WW1 profiles off the back of WW1 Aero. They still keep advertising them for $6 each. Regards, Bob Pearson ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 11:16:06 -0500 From: "John C Glaser" To: "WW1 Mail List" Subject: uncopyrightable? Message-ID: <000401bdde68$a5be0220$f011820a@johng-home> Found this today & thought the list might be interested in light of our recent travails: FACTOID: The only 15 letter word that can be spelled without repeating a letter is "uncopyrightable." - Mr. G. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 11:43:12 -0700 From: magnus family To: wwi Subject: couple of questions Message-ID: <35FAC0C0.7535@cableregina.com> A couple of questions: 1. The old arco-aircam book on the Spad Svii-sXii, has Baracca's SPAD XIII in an overall dark green. Is this accurate? Any photographic evidence of this? Does it carry roundels on the wings? 2. Nungesser's N.17 N1895, in the profiles show the a/c with the tricoleur on the upper wings? Is there any photo's of this a/c without the wing stripes? Al Magnus ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 14:30:40 EDT From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: SE-5a kits? Message-ID: <3e0443a9.35fabdd0@aol.com> In a message dated 98-09-12 10:35:44 EDT, you write: << I started an SE5a a few ,months ago with the intention of marking it in 56 Sq. colors for Maxwell's plane. I combined parts from both of these kits (too many unmade lying around...killed two boxes in one project ;-} ) and so far I am happy. One had nice struts, one has nice wings, one has nice fuselage, etc. Mike Muth >> The infamous Gotha Windsock, v12, #4 July/August 1996 also had a picture of my Se5a effort. A lot of scratch building of details, but the main airframe consisted of the Monogram fuselage, Lindberg top wing, and the bottom wings scratched. Robert K. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 14:30:38 EDT From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Rolands interior wasRe: Profiles Message-ID: <28c60ba0.35fabdce@aol.com> In a message dated 98-09-12 08:36:27 EDT, you write: << There was a thread on the interior colors for the Roland and I think the vote was the interior was doped grey and not a clear doped wood. Can someone else help? >> Some photos in WW I Aero also showed an even color- whatever it was, it wasn't varnished wood. If I were to build a Roland at this moment, I use a light gray. Robert K. P.S. though some of the profiles in the Profile series may be a little outdated, those little booklets are still gold mines in information. Sky Books sold 'em in the 60s at 9 for $3.00! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 14:30:38 EDT From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Roundels on CDL vs PC10 Message-ID: <6442bdaa.35fabdce@aol.com> In a message dated 98-09-12 08:27:04 EDT, you write: << One of the women is clearly brush painting the roundel on to the CDL and you can almost make out the lines on there the blue/white/red are to be applied. The next scene shows PC10 being applied carefully around the outer white ring. I know this is merely one scene out of a movie and I'm not meaning to over generalize but in this case visual proof exits that the roundel was applied on the CDL. Charlie >> I seem to remember "Project Butterfly"- the "Bible" of French markings practices saying that the French did it this way, so it WAS a practice of the times. Robert K. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 14:30:41 EDT From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: uncopyrightable? Message-ID: <894c207.35fabdd1@aol.com> In a message dated 98-09-12 12:23:38 EDT, you write: << FACTOID: The only 15 letter word that can be spelled without repeating a letter is "uncopyrightable." - Mr. G >> You've made my day! Robert K. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 14:30:39 EDT From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Roland C.II--again! Message-ID: In a message dated 98-09-12 09:14:10 EDT, you write: << Whats more, I thought that the construction method included doped on tapes over the joins between the strips of wood making the shell, and surely *that* would leave a striped wood/fabric interior if it wasn't painted over. >> That's my impression also. The tapes over the joins would have presented a most untidy appearance. Since Pfalz learned their fuselage building method from constructing Rolands under contract, I imagine the same applies to their later products also. Robert K. ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 1208 **********************