WWI Digest 1207 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: WWI Modeling Page CD by aew (Allan Wright) 2) Re: Eduard Tripehound by Geoff Smith 3) EF-109 by Geoff Smith 4) Re: WWI Modeling Page CD by "PAUL GABERT" 5) Re: WWI Modeling Page CD by aew (Allan Wright) 6) Re: SE-5a kits? by joe frazier 7) RE: RFC/RAF covering technique wasRe: Eduard Tripehound by "Denest, Michael J" 8) Re: 46 RFC Squad Markings by "Andy Kemp" 9) Re: WWI Modeling Page CD by Don Rinker 10) Exterior finish by Geoff Smith 11) Re: Americal by Pedro e Francisca Soares 12) Guynemer Nieuports by Pedro e Francisca Soares 13) interesting tidbit (?) by Carlos Valdes 14) Esci Ni 17 by Pedro e Francisca Soares 15) Re: SE-5a kits? by "D. Anderson" <2814823733@home.com> 16) Re:Translation of Ozspeak by Shane & Lorna Jenkins 17) Re: SE-5a kits? by mgoodwin@ricochet.net 18) Re: Looking for an Ancient WWI Book by mbittner@juno.com 19) Re: RE: What's really on everyone's work bench? by mbittner@juno.com 20) Re: WWI Modeling Page CD by mbittner@juno.com 21) Re: N.124 Bebe markings/serials by mbittner@juno.com 22) Americal by mbittner@juno.com 23) Re: Guynemer Nieuports by mbittner@juno.com 24) Re: Shon Howell came through!! by "Jeff Curtis" 25) Re: WWI Modeling Page CD by bucky@ptdprolog.net 26) Spad VII at Squadron by Carlos Valdes 27) Re: Eduard Tripehound by "PAUL GABERT" 28) Americal by Bill Bacon ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 13:37:03 -0400 (EDT) From: aew (Allan Wright) To: wwi Subject: Re: WWI Modeling Page CD Message-ID: <199809111737.NAA01554@pease1.sr.unh.edu> > And though it is always implied, I will add my thanks for your continued > efforts with the List and Page. The waters get a little choppy here and > there, but so far no one has drowned. Thanks, Al! > > Also- thanks Al for this "electronic playpen". It's great to be able to write > things such as "lozenge" or "CDL" and immediately a large group of folks know > what you mean without needing an explanation! thanks for the kind words and advice on the CD.... -Al =============================================================================== Allan Wright Jr. | You fell victim to one of the 'classic' blunders! University of New Hampshire+--------------------------------------------------- Research Computing Center | WWI Modeling mailing list: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Internet: aew@unh.edu | WWI Modeling WWW Page: http://pease1.sr.unh.edu =============================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 18:41:20 +0100 From: Geoff Smith To: wwi Subject: Re: Eduard Tripehound Message-ID: <35F960C0.24B4@cwcom.net> Sandy wrote: >I've looked inside the Tripe at the RAF Museum and it, and all the >other .PC10 machines, as you would expect, show a linen colour, darkened by >the >application of the PC10 on the other side. >FWIW, I use linen or CDL paint darkened with some brown for my RFC >interiors. (I matched this up from the Strutter in the RAFM just before >building the Tom's vacform and you can see this colour fairly clearly >in >the Strutter pictures Al put in the Images gallery recently) >Sandy OK, so who wants a colour scan of the inside of an F.2B? Offline please, but only to save cluttering the list with "me too"s 'cos I took it. Which brings up another question about rights on photos of museum exhibits. Photography is freely allowed in the RAF Museum and Manchester Aerospace Museum, but when I went to the Rolls Royce Museum at Derby I had to sign a form promising not to profit from any photos taken. Presumably because the two former (and their contents) actually belong to Sandy, Graham, myself and the other Brits and we're generous chaps, and the latter is privately owned. But is it as simple as that? Regards, Geoff ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 18:49:01 +0100 From: Geoff Smith To: wwi Subject: EF-109 Message-ID: <35F9628D.4A42@cwcom.net> Jim Elkins mischievously spake: >>a proper name for EFA aka Eurofighter 2000 so >>they held a poll of the general public. BUT, since they didn't want to >>upset German partners DASA they didn't want anything politically >>incorrect > >EF-109 Already taken? ! ? ;-) > >Jim ROTFL Thanks Jim Geoff ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 15:02:40 -0400 From: "PAUL GABERT" To: Subject: Re: WWI Modeling Page CD Message-ID: <199809111853.OAA15430@ns4.sumter.net> Al wrote: > I've got some extra room on the CD. What I was planning on putting on > it was MPEG files of some WWI newsreel footage (you all know the stuff, > MVR, getting into his plane before his last flight, etc.) My questions > are: > > 1) Is this at all valuable? Should I waste my time making the MPEG files? > Is it worth the wait for the people interested in the CD? For us newbies to WW1 any info in any format would be of great interest and provide additional inspiration. > 2) The copyright of this stuff HAS expired right? I'm going to take them > from various sources, but without the voice-over, so the actual MPEG's > will be of the original (silent, B&W) newsreel footage. Am I 'safe'? Is there an attorney in this group who is versed on copyright law? I would hope that 80 years after the original filming this would be in the public domain, but, I'm not an expert. Al, this site and mail group is super! Many kudos to you for this labor of love. If the MPEGs are included on the CD what would be your projected availability date for release? Paul Gabert ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 15:08:24 -0400 (EDT) From: aew (Allan Wright) To: wwi Subject: Re: WWI Modeling Page CD Message-ID: <199809111908.PAA02110@pease1.sr.unh.edu> > Al, this site and mail group is super! Many kudos to you for this > labor of love. > If the MPEGs are included on the CD what would be your projected > availability date for release? Well, doing the MPEG files may push it out as much as an extra month. Say Christmas time..... -Al =============================================================================== Allan Wright Jr. | You fell victim to one of the 'classic' blunders! University of New Hampshire+--------------------------------------------------- Research Computing Center | WWI Modeling mailing list: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Internet: aew@unh.edu | WWI Modeling WWW Page: http://pease1.sr.unh.edu =============================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 14:06:44 -0500 From: joe frazier To: wwi Subject: Re: SE-5a kits? Message-ID: <3.0.32.19980911140639.0068e3a4@mail.airmail.net> Sir: Are you referring to the old 1/72nd kit? If so, I may have one. Let me know and I will get back to you. Joe >D. Anderson wrote: > >> >> 2. Where can I get my hands on the rare Revell SE-5a? I am not expecting >> anyone to come out and say "hey! have mine," but can anyone tell me which >> rare kit source would give me the best odds of laying my hands on it? > >Comet Minatures here in the UK, usually has one or two. I'm sure I saw >an ESCI down there recently, and perhaps even a Revell, but you should >expect to PAY for them, as they're never cheap :^( > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 15:16:02 -0400 From: "Denest, Michael J" To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: RFC/RAF covering technique wasRe: Eduard Tripehound Message-ID: <31E6187EA8D0D111ACFE00805FE643DCA5AC28@xch-phl-06.he.boeing.com> Thanks go to Robert K. and Dave for responding on my question. Mike ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 20:55:14 +0100 From: "Andy Kemp" To: Subject: Re: 46 RFC Squad Markings Message-ID: <000201bdddbe$d522e300$a91dd3d4@whatever> Hi Cam, >> Was the squadron markings for 46 RFC's PUps the fuselage length white bar or two white vertical stripes before the eleveator or both? And was it the same for their camels or is the white stripe post March 1918 ? and is MacLarens Camel white nosed and with white painted ply?<< 46 Sqn Pups had the two narrow white vertical bars just in front of the tailplane, as did the early Camels which they took on from Nov-17. They were supposed to change this to one thick bar in the same position in the changes mandated Aug-17 but that seemed never to happen. The long white bar (broken aft of the roundel with the individual machine's letter) came in the 22-Mar-18 changes - and stayed for the rest of the war. Cheers, Andy K ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 17:11:19 -0400 From: Don Rinker To: wwi Subject: Re: WWI Modeling Page CD Message-ID: <35F991F7.25EF39DF@fast.net> Since they were origially the property of the US Army Signal corps and have appeared hundreds of times in every documentary made in some form or antother ( probably without credit or lisence), I'd say they're in the public domain..... Allan Wright wrote: > > > Al, this site and mail group is super! Many kudos to you for this > > labor of love. > > If the MPEGs are included on the CD what would be your projected > > availability date for release? > > Well, doing the MPEG files may push it out as much as an extra month. Say > Christmas time..... > > -Al > > =============================================================================== > Allan Wright Jr. | You fell victim to one of the 'classic' blunders! > University of New Hampshire+--------------------------------------------------- > Research Computing Center | WWI Modeling mailing list: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu > Internet: aew@unh.edu | WWI Modeling WWW Page: http://pease1.sr.unh.edu > =============================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 23:26:59 +0100 From: Geoff Smith To: wwi Subject: Exterior finish Message-ID: <35F9A3B3.7B4C@cwcom.net> Hi guys, I offered a colour scan of an F.2B interior earlier and on extracting said photo the fuselage roundel is plainly visible on the inside. Although basically shades of grey, it's obvious that the roundel wasn't painted over the PC10 - that's visible as a darker area around the white outer ring. However, when compared with the photo of A7206 in the Datafile many differences are apparent in the structure. The aircraft is falsely marked E2466 (that I do know) at the RAF Museum, Hendon. The only thing in my database is its BAPC registration BAPC.165 (British Aircraft Preservation Council). I hesitate to say all but most of these registrations apply to replicas though possibly an unidentified airframe may qualify. Can anyone tell me the history of this aircraft? It's probably listed in World War I Survivors but I don't own the book. Should we open the betting on whether Shane knows off the top of his head? :-) Regards, Geoff ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 23:22:17 +0200 From: Pedro e Francisca Soares To: "WW1 Modeling List (E-mail)" Subject: Re: Americal Message-ID: <01BDDDDB.4AC2D220@fei1-p2.telepac.pt> Hi Gang Much has been said but here's my 2 tostoes on the issue... After reading Dr. Merril's letter I've went into a state of confusion = and all I can say is that I'm really at a loss of words to express all = the thoughts that have gone through my mind in the last few days. First thing that I realized is that how much this list is the work of = one man and how much we all owe him for having put together in the = course of the last 4 years a top class service at the expense of his own = free time. We've all come to take the list, just as all the other good = things in life, for granted and most of us probably didn't ever give = much of a thought of the work this has meant for Al. His is a labour of = real love and for that I, and I believe I can speak for the rest of you, = am particularly grateful. Thanks a lot Al. Second, I was quite disturbed not only by Dr. Merril's Letter but also = by a posting calling THIEF to one of us and asking for that person to be = kicked-off the list. This I can only understand a) in the light of the = right to exercise freedom of speech b) on lack of integral knowledge on = the way the incident took place and c) on not fully understanding the = kind of relationship that this list has fostered between individuals all = over the world, united by the single love for one activity they try hard = to promote between themselves and the newcomers to the site to which the = list is associated, all in all always without second or hidden = commercial or profit interests. I believe I speak the truth if I say = we're in this for the fun of it, and also for the added knowledge that = the sharing of information can bring about to each and everyone = involved. I can speak easily about this since before stumbling into Al's = site I had never built a WW1 model in my life and now I'm hooked into = it. 2 years ago my knowledge of WW1 aviation was Camel and Von = Richtofen. Now I know a bit more thanks to all of you. What happened to me has happened to others as it was the case of that = friend who said he had returned to the hobby and discovered WW1 modeling = in Al's pages and that chose to go away from the list because he was = particularly disturbed by what he had read. (I sincerely hope he = reconsiders). I'm a bit of a loner and I don't tend to socialize much with other = people. Modeling is for me not only an activity that really gives me = pleasure but also a way of relaxing from the pressures of the normal = daily life. Sadly in the last few days it has been another source for = anxiety and the fun was suddenly gone, because of this incident. Now what disturbed me the most is that it appears to me that, subjacent = to Dr. Merril's letter, is the thought that someone DELIBERATELTY tried = to cause him intellectual or economic (or both) harm, which I and the = vast majority of the people on the list am certain was not the case. To = understand why it happen you'd really have to fully understand the = dynamics of the list, the spirit of brotherhood that has developed over = time.=20 =20 I am also guilty of sending and receiving to and from people on this = list copies of info taken from books and magazines, be it in paper or = electronic form. Still thanks to Rob very timely and clear posting on = copyright I now believe that this can be accepted under the scope of = "fair use", which in itself is a concept that can only be defined as a = measure of common sense. And yet, from what I gather, the "fair use" = concept applies only to an individual copying stuff to himself, thus = making distribution of stuff a grey area. Now, in spite of having not that much free time (or will) to socialize, = it doesn't mean that I don't rank friendship as one of the most = important values in life. Some people on the list are now to me more than fellow list members: In = the course of time, through exchange of off-list mail I've come to get = to know some of you better than others and with some I have developed = true friendship relations, (and this has happened to many others I'm = pretty sure). And so the question comes to mind: What should be more important from an = ethical standpoint, Friendship or Copyright? If one of this friends is curious about something or is working on a = project that I believe I have information that can be helpful to him be = I'll promptly offer him a copy of what I have. Is this wrong? Wouldn't = we all do it to friends who are physically near? Haven't we all at some = moment done this or beneffited from this, Dr. Merril included? Now, apart from a catalogue, I've never ordered directly from Americal. = Still I've used Dr. Merril's products (cf. My SS DIII on the IPMS Fort = Crook pages) and aside from finding the decals a bit hard to conform to = curved surfaces (leading edges come to mind) due to their inherent = thickness I was quite pleased with the end result. The reason for not having ever ordered directly from Americal has to do = with the fact that Dr. Merril doesn't accept credit cards what, for a = non-US resident, is a problem. Since I, just like Fernando, was not aware of the refund policy of = Americal, I asked a friend on the list to order the decals for me with = the intention of paying him afterwards in cash. He, in a most generous = and kind gesture offered me his 2 sets of 5 color lozenge that I ended = up using. (Another example that serves to illustrate what I meant when I = talked about being friends with people on the list) Now that I know = Americal refund policy I'll probably order directly from Dr. Merril when = and if the necessity comes. I'm a very slow builder so this might not be = for tomorrow, but if I need it I'll order. Had it not been for Al's site = and to you guys, I'd would never had used Dr. Merril's decals? On the other hand, I don't think it to be that fair to consciously send = people below par sheets on a "the better ones go first" basis even if = granting a replacement for the sheet, as another list member recently = posted? Well, I've been to long and I probably didn't say much but I feel better = now. Guess tonight I'll go to my bench again? =20 Sorry for the long speech. I sincerely hope this was just a bad moment = and that the natural laws of common sense will again prevail on the list = as they have for 99.95% of time on the best mailling list there is in = Cyber space. Um abraco Pedro=00=00 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 23:34:55 +0200 From: Pedro e Francisca Soares To: "WW1 Modeling List (E-mail)" Subject: Guynemer Nieuports Message-ID: <01BDDDDC.CBA9FA20@fei1-p2.telepac.pt> Guys, I just bought today this month's issue of Avions and on the inner cover = is an ad for the forthcoming volume on Guynemer. Nothig new up to now. BUT, the ad contains a reproduction of one of the profile pages showing = 6 aircraft and Ni 11 N836 is depicted as being overall Light Blue, while = the top panel forward of the cockpit on Ni 10 N302 is also light blue. = This is not meant to be silver since there's a profile of NI 17(?) = 15(8)31 showing it to be overal aluminium doped, the colour being very = different from the quite light blue on the Ni.11. Ever heard about this? = Matt? Um abraco Pedro ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 12:35:04 -0400 From: Carlos Valdes To: wwi Subject: interesting tidbit (?) Message-ID: <35F95138.61A@conted.gatech.edu> I saw a small story in today's paper that the German government has just awarded Steven Spielberg, because of his "Schindler's List," the Orden Pour Le Merite (the civilian version, of course, which is still in use). Carlos ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 00:18:15 +0200 From: Pedro e Francisca Soares To: "WW1 Modeling List (E-mail)" Subject: Esci Ni 17 Message-ID: <01BDDDE3.207FC100@fei1-p2.telepac.pt> There's one in auction on e-bay. run a search on airfix and follow untill you find a matchbox, airfix, esci lot bidding time ends in 1 day 3 hours, currently at 8USD for the lot Um abraco Pedro ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 17:25:30 -0600 From: "D. Anderson" <2814823733@home.com> To: wwi Subject: Re: SE-5a kits? Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19980911172530.006d7d98@mail> At 03:09 PM 11/09/98 -0400, you wrote: > > >Sir: > > Are you referring to the old 1/72nd kit? If so, I may have one. Let me >know and I will get back to you. Yes, that's the one. Dane >Joe > > >>D. Anderson wrote: >> >>> >>> 2. Where can I get my hands on the rare Revell SE-5a? I am not expecting >>> anyone to come out and say "hey! have mine," but can anyone tell me which >>> rare kit source would give me the best odds of laying my hands on it? >> >>Comet Minatures here in the UK, usually has one or two. I'm sure I saw >>an ESCI down there recently, and perhaps even a Revell, but you should >>expect to PAY for them, as they're never cheap :^( >> >> > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 09:28:37 -0700 From: Shane & Lorna Jenkins To: wwi Subject: Re:Translation of Ozspeak Message-ID: <35FAA135.5C3B@tac.com.au> Oops! Forgot that not everybody speaks the same brand of English as I do. To paraphrase Oscar Wilde "we are people divided by a common language" :-). Spit the dummy (or eject the pacifier) = to EMPHATICALLY have your say about something that is not to your taste. For the Anglophiles this is (I think) most nearly equaled by "have a moment" or "be in a tizz" Or as Shane is mumbling in the background, "Blehh, I don't like this!! Bwaahhh" :-( HTH Lorna "3) everyone's now had a chance to spit the dummy" Now, since the woman I live with is a rabid Anglophile, I know that a "dummy" is what we call in America, a pacifier. However, I STILL don't understand what this means, exactly... translate please. Yours, James D. Gray ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 16:34:44 -0700 From: mgoodwin@ricochet.net To: wwi Subject: Re: SE-5a kits? Message-ID: <35F9B394.3285@ricochet.net> D. Anderson wrote: > > I just received a copy of the Windsock datafile SE-5a, and was wondering > about kits. > > 1. Does anyone know when the Blue Max 1/48 SE-5a is going to be out? As soon as Mr. Gannon learns how to photoetch gold, so he can pierce the 60 pound/ $100 threshold for his kits (just kidding! running for cover :-)) > 2. Where can I get my hands on the rare Revell SE-5a? If you are unable to squeeze one out of the list and failing all else, give Mr. Allen of Santa Cruz, CA a call (408?)475-7755, 3703 Portola Drive. He has a number of the more common Collector's Choice Revell kits, and is only asking about $5 each. I recall seeing at least a couple SE5as. He doesn't usually do mail order out of his shop, but he might be talked into it - I warned him I'd be ratting him out to the list. IIRC, he also has a few Aurora WWI kits for sale. Riordan ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 18:34:03 -0500 From: mbittner@juno.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Looking for an Ancient WWI Book Message-ID: <19980911.185328.-134067.0.mbittner@juno.com> On Fri, 11 Sep 1998 08:37:46 -0400 bucky@ptdprolog.net writes: >I belioeve that the book SPAF Fighters that was re-published by >Glencoe with >a set of decals has most of the Escadrille markings, in color(?). Correct, although not all of them. Matt Bittner _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 18:35:42 -0500 From: mbittner@juno.com To: wwi Subject: Re: RE: What's really on everyone's work bench? Message-ID: <19980911.185328.-134067.1.mbittner@juno.com> On Fri, 11 Sep 1998 09:04:29 -0400 "Paul Schwartzkopf" writes: >Beautiful kit. This kit could even convert those munchkins to braille >;-) = >! Still applying the lozenge (slow, but rewarding) on mine before >final = >assembly and rigging. Not true. I have one that I have had in "construction" for two years now. It is *so* Braille that I can't seem to complete it... Matt Bittner _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 18:40:23 -0500 From: mbittner@juno.com To: wwi Subject: Re: WWI Modeling Page CD Message-ID: <19980911.185328.-134067.3.mbittner@juno.com> On Fri, 11 Sep 1998 11:54:35 -0400 aew@pease1.sr.unh.edu (Allan Wright) writes: >1) Is this at all valuable? Should I waste my time making the MPEG >files? > Is it worth the wait for the people interested in the CD? Sounds like a *great* idea. If you can figure out 2), I say go for it. Maybe find some of the Lafayette Escadrille footage as well?? ;-) BTW, thanks, Al, for all of your time and effort on this list, the web page, and the upcoming CD. Matt Bittner _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 19:11:39 -0500 From: mbittner@juno.com To: wwi Subject: Re: N.124 Bebe markings/serials Message-ID: <19980911.191140.-134067.7.mbittner@juno.com> On Thu, 10 Sep 1998 20:07:22 -0400 mgoodwin@ricochet.net writes: >I'm closing in on finishing my Smer, and I need to know if anyone has >the following info: > >Did James McConnell fly the footprint machine or "MAC" or both? >serials? According to the Americal research that was done with the N.124 decals (which I have *always* held in the highest esteem), he flew both. N1292 for the "foot", and a speculation of N1313 for the "MAC". >What was Kiffin Rockwell's Nie. 11 serial? What were Victor Chapman's >markings and what was his plane's serial? Americal has no speculation about Kiffin Rockwell's serial. Americal doesn't have Victor Chapman's markings on the sheet/booklet. I'm pretty sure this is because his is the *least known* aircraft of the bunch. HTH. >Anyone use Lone Star decals before? Anything I should know about them? Yes, there is one thing you should know about the Lone Star decals - THEY'RE IN THE WRONG SCALE!! ;-) Matt Bittner _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 19:06:10 -0500 From: mbittner@juno.com To: wwi Subject: Americal Message-ID: <19980911.191140.-134067.6.mbittner@juno.com> Well, I won't belabor the point we've been making. What I want to mention is that my latest order came from Americal. Four color top and bottom (I have always felt that Americal's lozenge is *the best*). Plus, the best of all, the Les Cigognes sheet!! Wow. When I compare it to the Lafayette Escadrille sheet, the 3 Escadrille sheet is about 200 times better. The only things I would pick nits on is with the roundels and supplied tail stripes. I can see white "bleed through" on some of these. However, the rest of the decals are *more than useable*. In fact, aside from the few roundels with white bleed through, *all* of the decals are useable. And no, I do *not* say this because of Jastagate. The storks are works of art. While some of the lettering of the different name found on the planes "fade", it's understandable in this scale. Plus, who is to say that they didn't fade on the real machine? Plus there are Morane-Saulnier logo's!!! Too bad you can't buy just those... So, if Americal is reading this, I say re-do the Lafayette sheets. If they come out this good (since Americal already knows about my problems with these decals :-( ) I *will* buy another sheet. Question: does the list actually think there would be white bleed through onto the red? I was wondering maybe they were made this way because "bleed through happened". Matt Bittner - just figured out how my first Toko Nie.11 is going to be marked...;-) _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 18:53:26 -0500 From: mbittner@juno.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Guynemer Nieuports Message-ID: <19980911.185328.-134067.5.mbittner@juno.com> On Fri, 11 Sep 1998 18:44:57 -0400 Pedro e Francisca Soares writes: > I just bought today this month's issue of Avions and on the > inner cover is an ad for the forthcoming volume on Guynemer. > Nothig new up to now. BUT, the ad contains a reproduction of > one of the profile pages showing 6 aircraft and Ni 11 N836 is > depicted as being overall Light Blue, while the top panel > forward of the cockpit on Ni 10 N302 is also light blue. > > This is not meant to be silver since there's a profile of NI > 17(?) 15(8)31 showing it to be overal aluminium doped, the > colour being very different from the quite light blue on the > Ni.11. Ever heard about this? Matt? I have never heard of a light blue Nie.11 coming from the factory. That doesn't mean it didn't happen or exist, I've just never heard it. However, when reading period articles and letters coming from people belonging in, or visiting, the Lafayette Escadrille, there are mentions of over-all light blue Bebe's. The thing I'm not sure of is if they came from the factory this way - which *I think* is unlikely - or if they were painted that way in the field - which I consider more likely. So, unless anyone has any *solid proof* that Guynemer's Nie.11 was *not* light blue, I say paint it this way. If the color police come calling, tell 'em to prove it differently. I plan on doing that with my Johnson Nie.16 - some people say the bottom was CDL, while others say sky blue. I painted it sky blue because I think it looks better. Again, to the color police, I say prove it by giving me unrefutable facts. :-) Matt Bittner _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 20:08:50 -0500 From: "Jeff Curtis" To: Subject: Re: Shon Howell came through!! Message-ID: <199809120101.UAA14739@indy1.indy.net> I got my order from Shon too, complete with some freebies. I sent him a meesly $6 for a Sierra Scale LVG C.VI, and I got the kit and 4 decal sheets. Upper and lower 4 and 5-color lozenge sheets. Quite a nice suprise. Jeff ---------- > From: Mike Dicianna > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Shon Howell came through!! > Date: Thursday, September 10, 1998 10:07 PM > > Just a note to say that I received my package from the infamous Shon Howell > today....He even included a few extra goodies...some decals and an extra > kit I did not order from him... > > Did anyone on the list send him money for a Merikraft BE2c? He included one > in the box. I dont know if this was a bonus or a misdirection. Kit is > complete, looks to be somewhat buildable (not my favorite though). I have > sent him an email to ask if this was a mistake or not. If it is not, I am > open for any Udet/MvR trades for this kit out there? I'm open for suggestions. > > Feeling much better now.... > Mikedc > "Der Rote Modellflugzeugbauer" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 21:21:18 -0400 From: bucky@ptdprolog.net To: wwi Subject: Re: WWI Modeling Page CD Message-ID: <35F9CC8E.45075D9D@ptdprolog.net> Al, I concur. Even though I don't have lots of the videos, I miss not being able to get them on the computer. If there any way to "stop" the video once it is on CD for careful examination? That would be even better! I don't know if you are getting tired from all these thanks, but tough luck. You deserve every one of them and a lot more. Mike Muth TPTPUMPER@aol.com wrote: > Hi Al! > > Sorry, I don't know about the copuright of the materials you mentioned, but > I have to say the following: > > THANK YOU for removing those annoying dubbed in sounds! I hate when people > feel it is necessary to add in sounds, some of dubious accuracy, to fill in > the footage to what is today's expected standards. I mean, why not just > colorize it as well? Oops. That's been done . . . > > I feel any WWI footage is of value as a primary source. Myself, I would > prefer items that display the aircraft to advantage (or armor, etc.) rather > than personalities, but that is me. I model the aircraft. I trust we all > will value your judgment. "Ya done good so far!" > > And though it is always implied, I will add my thanks for your continued > efforts with the List and Page. The waters get a little choppy here and > there, but so far no one has drowned. Thanks, Al! > > Have Fun!! > > IRA ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 15:07:37 -0400 From: Carlos Valdes To: wwi Subject: Spad VII at Squadron Message-ID: <35F974F9.AF8@conted.gatech.edu> The latest Squadron flyer has the 1/48 JMGT SPAD VII for $74.97, if anyone's interested. Carlos ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 21:55:53 -0400 From: "PAUL GABERT" To: Subject: Re: Eduard Tripehound Message-ID: <199809120146.VAA18812@ns4.sumter.net> Geoff, Would love to see scan! Paul ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 20:55:15 -0500 From: Bill Bacon To: wwi Subject: Americal Message-ID: <35F9D483.6F13@netjava.net> Compadres, Today I received my first order from Americal. I blew a consideral bit of the discretionary bankroll and regret not one iota. I order all of the Squadren, Jasta and Escadrille sheets as well as the US cocardes. Value for money is out of sight. The instruction sheets alone are within an eye blink being worth the total cost. I say eyeblink because of the information I have accumilated over the past years. For an individual with limited information, the data sheet are worth the price. The decals are frosting on the cake. There are enough documented A/c to keep Airfix, Revell et al in business forever. The kits I have will not make a dent in the total number. As stated in other posts, I have through yje yearscollected most of the WWI decald in both scales. Admittedly, I bought the munchkin Scale decals for two reasons: I would with a clear conscience get the data I wanted and second because I could see all the decals for minimum outlay. I will in the future buy Braille Scale decal as needed. Tomorrow I will send off another order. I only wish I had done so before. The sheets I received werte in perfect register with no bleed through. In words of few sylabals, I am totally satisfied. he order arrived Priority mail. The Lafayette sheeyt is not availabe and the good Dr. encloed a refund check. Dr. Merrill, if you read this, my comments are not the result of any guilt feelings as I hane no reasdn to have any but rather my personal opinion of your product, your research, your service and your personal integrity. Soap box mode off. Buy them they are great. Cheers, Bill B. ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 1207 **********************