WWI Digest 1192 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Kissenberth's Camel by Mick Fauchon 2) Re: The list turns 4 by Mick Fauchon 3) Re: WW I naval: Jaureguiberry by "D. Anderson" <2814823733@home.com> 4) Re: WW I naval: Jaureguiberry by "D. Anderson" <2814823733@home.com> 5) Re: WW I naval: Jaureguiberry by "D. Anderson" <2814823733@home.com> 6) Re: WW I naval: Jaureguiberry by "D. Anderson" <2814823733@home.com> 7) Re: WW I naval: Jaureguiberry by "D. Anderson" <2814823733@home.com> 8) lozenge on ebay by Zulis@aol.com 9) I finally did it. by "D. Anderson" <2814823733@home.com> 10) RE: lozenge on ebay by Shane Weier 11) Re: lozenge on ebay by Don Rinker 12) Re: lozenge on ebay by Zulis@aol.com 13) Re: Kissenberth's Camel by Mick Fauchon 14) RE: lozenge on ebay by Shane Weier 15) RE: lozenge on ebay by Shane Weier 16) Re: Kissenberth's Camel by mbittner@juno.com 17) Ground cover by mbittner@juno.com 18) Re: The list turns 4 by mbittner@juno.com 19) Re: Ground cover by Bob Pearson 20) Re: lozenge on ebay by Mike Fletcher 21) Re: lozenge on ebay by Don Rinker 22) Re: Ivan: transparent wings by Joey Valenciano 23) Re: lozenge on ebay by bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) 24) RE: lozenge on ebay by bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) 25) Re: Ground cover by dianep@webtv.net (Diane Pessler) 26) Re: Ground cover by Kenneth Hagerup 27) SORRYSORRYSORRY by "Dr. Phillip Anz-Meador" 28) Re: lozenge on ebay by BStett3770@aol.com 29) Re: SORRYSORRYSORRY by Bob Pearson 30) Re: Chu Chin Chow (Camel N6345) by REwing@aol.com 31) Re: Chu Chin Chow (Camel N6345) by mgoodwin@ricochet.net ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 10:02:12 +1000 (EST) From: Mick Fauchon To: wwi Cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Kissenberth's Camel Message-ID: Matt, > What about the Revell 1/72nd? Readily available...:-) What about it? 80) Not for this baby!........If you'll pardon a puny pun 80( Mick. -- -- Mick Fauchon | Internet: ulmjf@dewey.newcastle.edu.au Reference Section, Auchmuty Library | Ph (intl+61+49) 215861 University of Newcastle, AUSTRALIA | Fax (intl+61+49) 215833 MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM M M M Tasmanian Devil: "#@%!&^*%%...!#@!&**%^@@#$#-+*+*&##@...!!" M M M M Yosemite Sam : "Cut out that Army talk!..Yer in the Navy now!" M M M MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 10:15:06 +1000 (EST) From: Mick Fauchon To: wwi Cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: The list turns 4 Message-ID: > Congratulations to the list! > Thanks for everyone's participation! Nope, thanks to Al.......because without him, we wouldn't be here. So Happy Birthday list!..........and hats off to Al!! Mick. -- -- Mick Fauchon | Internet: ulmjf@dewey.newcastle.edu.au Reference Section, Auchmuty Library | Ph (intl+61+49) 215861 University of Newcastle, AUSTRALIA | Fax (intl+61+49) 215833 MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM M M M Tasmanian Devil: "#@%!&^*%%...!#@!&**%^@@#$#-+*+*&##@...!!" M M M M Yosemite Sam : "Cut out that Army talk!..Yer in the Navy now!" M M M MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Sep 1998 18:19:22 -0600 From: "D. Anderson" <2814823733@home.com> To: wwi Subject: Re: WW I naval: Jaureguiberry Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19980902181922.006d9c20@mail> At 01:00 AM 01/09/98 -0400, you wrote: >Tony Gibbons' Encyclopedia of Battleships has a two page spread on the >Jaureguiberry. The reprint of Jane's Fighting Ships of WWI has a single >grainy photo. Conway's All the World's Fighting Ships has a profile >plan. > >HTH It's a start. Thanks for the help. I'll try to look out for this book. Dane >Ken > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Sep 1998 18:20:50 -0600 From: "D. Anderson" <2814823733@home.com> To: wwi Subject: Re: WW I naval: Jaureguiberry Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19980902182050.006dd700@mail> At 01:13 AM 01/09/98 -0400, you wrote: >D. Anderson wrote: >..came across the entry for the French pre-dreadnought >"Jaureguiberry."... > >You inspired me to look up the vessel in the "Weapons and Warfare" >enclopaedia - How could the nation that produced Brigitte Bardot and >Beaujolais also come up with Farmans, Caudrons, the Citroen 2CV and >"Jaureguiberry"? The mind boggles... > Keep flipping through "Weapons and Warfare" and you'll see plenty of other gorgeous/hideous French WW I ships. They make up for it later, though; their WW II ships are very pretty. Dane >Dave Fletcher >mdf@mars.ark.com > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Sep 1998 18:27:58 -0600 From: "D. Anderson" <2814823733@home.com> To: wwi Subject: Re: WW I naval: Jaureguiberry Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19980902182758.006dd238@mail> At 04:00 AM 01/09/98 -0400, you wrote: > AH! I love this ship. I did a 1/1200 scale model some years back, kind >of crude but very interesting, and a pencil drawing (from a photograph) which >I was very proud of. I do not have anything books on her specifically, but I >have found several good photographs in various books which are sharp enough to >show some detail. I also have a three-view in Tony Gibbons' _The Complete >Encyclopedia of Battleships and Battlecruisers_, (however this volume is not >really to be relied on as plans) and a tiny though accurate side view in >_Conway's All the World's Fighting Ships 1860-1905_. I have corresponded with >the Musee de la Marine about this (and other) ships of the period and they >have offered me some photographs, but claim to have no plans. > If you want, I can send you copies of the photos I have, and all the >other material. Yeah, I'd like that. S'long as we're not violating any copyrights, I'd really appreciate it (if your material is from the book, don't worry, as I'll try to pick up a copy). Also, how about the address for La Musee de la Marine? > Additionally, the Musee de la Marine does have plans for Massena, and >there are commercially available plans for La Hoche (original configuration - >I did a model of this one too) and the Charlemagne class. > I am really into French Predreadnoughts too, as you might guess. > I don't blame you at all. I'm starting to catch the bug too. I notice that the same set of encyclopeadias has an entry for another Fr. P.D. the "Republicque" I think, and it includes a two-view drawing. Maybe that's the one I should start with. I'll check out some of the others. Also, the Bouvet was another beauty/horror. That would be neat too. But Jaureguiberry has a certain something, almost more of the way a cartoonist would portray an early 20th century battleship. Dane >Yours, >James D. Gray > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Sep 1998 18:29:15 -0600 From: "D. Anderson" <2814823733@home.com> To: wwi Subject: Re: WW I naval: Jaureguiberry Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19980902182915.006dd4f4@mail> At 04:04 AM 01/09/98 -0400, you wrote: >"How could the nation that produced Brigitte Bardot and Beaujolais also come >up with Farmans, Caudrons, the Citroen 2CV and 'Jaureguiberry'? The mind >boggles..." > >Nah! Jaureguiberry is attractive compared with some French warships of the >period. Look at a photograph of the original configuration of La Hoche...and >then see if you can look without laughing. For me, it is the very butt-ugliness of these ships that makes them so beautiful. I always found Bardot boring (but maybe that's just because she's older than my Mom). Dane >Yours, >James D. Gray > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Sep 1998 18:32:18 -0600 From: "D. Anderson" <2814823733@home.com> To: wwi Subject: Re: WW I naval: Jaureguiberry Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19980902183218.006daee0@mail> At 11:46 AM 01/09/98 -0400, you wrote: > >> AH! I love this ship. > >I've always been intrigued by little waterline ships and have wanted to try >to build. I'd like to stay on-topic for a project like this. > >Would it be possible for someone to send me photos of this ship? Sounds >interesting! > > I've only seen the one photo, in "Weapons & Warfare" (which, by the way, is readily available in the second-hand market, which is how I got my set; it contains many, many other photos and illustrations of so many other ugly ships, planes, tanks--you name it--from this century), and that was enough to convince me that I have to try to build a model of it. Dane ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 20:23:10 EDT From: Zulis@aol.com To: wwi Subject: lozenge on ebay Message-ID: <21c8825.35ede16e@aol.com> Hello everyone.... thought you might be interested in a piece of fabric for sale on ebay. http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=28458934 Text: Lozenge Pattern Fabric From German Biplane with Documentation 9.5" x 12" section of lozenge pattern fabric from the top wing of German Albatross D VA No. 5390/17; shot down in France on 12/17/17, by Lt. J.L. Sandy and Sgt. H.F. Hughes in a RE 8 of #3 Squadron Australian Flying Corps. Fabric bears traces of black and white paint of the Maltese Cross wing insignia. This fabric is accompanied by a hand written 1966 letter from the Head Conservator of WWI Aircraft at the Australian War Museum, where this plane is (or was) housed. This relic was removed from the plane to document color pattern for restoration and then passed into private hands by the Head Conservator. Also included is the rough draft of a letter from the first private owner when again offered for sale, and an ultraviolet photo and slide of the wing documenting true color for restoration of the plane at The Camden Aviation Museum in New South Wales, Australia.Material retains most of original varnish, and presumably represents all colors that appeared on the plane. ****************************************************************************** ****************** Ahhh... another piece of the True Cross....er.... Lozenge. Dave Zulis ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Sep 1998 18:35:47 -0600 From: "D. Anderson" <2814823733@home.com> To: wwi Subject: I finally did it. Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19980902183547.006db4f8@mail> Yeah, I finally told my boss what I.... No, really, I finally sat down, typed up and printed a nice letter to Mr. Glenn Merrill, put it into an envelope addressed to Americal/Gryphon, enclosed a pair of IRCs, and sent it off. So, with any luck, I'll be receiving my catalogue...soon. I know I said I was going to do this a month ago, but for me, if I say "I'm going to do this right away" at the beginning of August, and then do it at the beginning of September, then that IS right away for me. Can't wait! Dane ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 10:58:33 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: wwi Subject: RE: lozenge on ebay Message-ID: <199809030114.LAA26198@mimmon.mim.com.au> Dave, <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< > D VA No. 5390/17; shot down in France on 12/17/17, by Lt. J.L. Sandy > and Sgt. > H.F. Hughes in a RE 8 of #3 Squadron Australian Flying Corps. Fabric > bears > traces of black and white paint of the Maltese Cross wing insignia. > This > fabric is accompanied by a hand written 1966 letter from the Head > Conservator > of WWI Aircraft at the Australian War Museum, where this plane is (or > was) > housed. This relic was removed from the plane to document color > pattern for > restoration and then passed into private hands by the Head > Conservator. Also > included is the rough draft of a letter from the first private owner > when > again offered for sale, and an ultraviolet photo and slide of the wing > documenting true color for restoration of the plane at The Camden > Aviation > Museum in New South Wales, Australia.Material retains most of original > varnish, and presumably represents all colors that appeared on the > plane. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In a letter from a now deceased member of the Australian Society of WW1 Aviation Historians who actually did some of the restoration I was told that the fabric was handed back to the AWM for "storage and retention" However, it later disappeared, and bits turned up on the market. At my last visit there a year or so back several members of staff told me that the fabric was "lost, presumed stolen". Consensus was that the head conservator may have turned private profit on the transaction - the veracity of this I'm not able to confirm, but if true is scandalous So the fabric is quite probably genuine. As a member or the ASWW1AH and a person interested in the matter, it grieves me that the fabric is being sold on the open market, and isn't where it should be, in a museum, for all of us to share. Shane ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Sep 1998 21:01:40 -0400 From: Don Rinker To: wwi Subject: Re: lozenge on ebay Message-ID: <35EDEA74.AD1D2766@fast.net> Zulis@aol.com wrote: > > Hello everyone.... thought you might be interested in a piece of fabric for > sale on ebay. > Ahhh... another piece of the True Cross....er.... Lozenge. Geezz Loiuse..... I make better fakes than that piece of trash. Took a look. The guy that faked it certainly doesnt know much about the printing process. Notice that the characteristic overlap darkening where lozenges where printed with about a 1/4"overlap between screens is totally absent. He probably stained the paperwork with weak tea too to get that "aged effect"..... :-) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 21:15:19 EDT From: Zulis@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: lozenge on ebay Message-ID: <85d50ae9.35ededa7@aol.com> In a message dated 98-09-02 21:00:24 EDT, Shane wrote: << So the fabric is quite probably genuine. As a member or the ASWW1AH and a person interested in the matter, it grieves me that the fabric is being sold on the open market, and isn't where it should be, in a museum, for all of us to share. >> Thank you for the additional info, Shane. This is a grimmer story than I had originally thought (and I now feel guilty for suspecting one of our Aussie members of concocting this item in the basement to fund their model purchases....) < g > With your permission, I would be interested in forwarding a copy of your text to the seller to see what he has to say about provenance. He may be many times removed from the misdeeds, but at the very least he should be made aware of the questions surrounding this item so he cannot plead ignorance. Dave Z ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 11:48:05 +1000 (EST) From: Mick Fauchon To: wwi Cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Kissenberth's Camel Message-ID: > G'day Mick. =20 G'day Paul, > I have had this kit started for a while, but not yet finished- I had the pious hope of getting a little further than that 80) > exist, just my personal taste on what is acceptable or not. I had heard a = > rumor once that it is a scaled-down copy of an old Revell (?) [Yep] 1/28 kit. = I've heard that rumour as well, but I don't know how much truth there is in it. The Revell kit wasn't all that bad, as I recall. > The kit just requires good basic modeling skills to assemble. =20 I think I've got those 80) > I cannot comment on the kit's accuracy, but as far as I know, it is "the = > only game in town" if you want a 1/32 Camel. It has to be at least no worse that the Smer one, which would have been my first choice. Like Shane and Sandy, I've never baulked at making a silk purse from a sow's ear, especially when it's the only ear in town 80) It has been flamed in past = > reviews, but that never stopped me from getting one. Maybe all those new = > Tamiya shake-n-bake kits have spoiled our kit standards now....? Not while we live and breathe! 80) Thanks for the thoughts. Cheers, Mick. -- -- Mick Fauchon | Internet: ulmjf@dewey.newcastle.edu.au Reference Section, Auchmuty Library | Ph (intl+61+49) 215861 University of Newcastle, AUSTRALIA | Fax (intl+61+49) 215833 MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM M M M Tasmanian Devil: "#@%!&^*%%...!#@!&**%^@@#$#-+*+*&##@...!!" M M M M Yosemite Sam : "Cut out that Army talk!..Yer in the Navy now!" M M M MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 12:22:31 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: wwi Subject: RE: lozenge on ebay Message-ID: <199809030238.MAA26642@mimmon.mim.com.au> Dave says (in response to mine:) >> So the fabric is quite probably genuine. As a member or the ASWW1AH and >> a person interested in the matter, it grieves me that the fabric is >> being sold on the open market, and isn't where it should be, in a >> museum, for all of us to share. >> >I had originally thought (and I now feel guilty for suspecting one of our Aussie >members of concocting this item in the basement to fund their model >purchases....) < g > The fabric removed from the AWM D.Va was thought to be original at the time of the last restoration *though* Eric Watson told me that the upper wing top surface fabric was not genuine. Quote "Getting back to the main upper plane - when received, this was covered with quite a thick, poorly-applied coat of matte black paint, which had obviously been done long after WW1 - and probably while in AWM storage. When we stripped this off we were surprised to find that it was not aircraft fabric, but a canvas type material" Unquote The remainder of the fabric was considered genuine, though the starboard aileron was bare. The original photos show it to have been covered with a darker loz than the remainder of the airframe. If *only* that had been retained it might shed a light on the provenance of Americals "Alternate 5 colour loz " provenance. >With your permission, I would be interested in forwarding a copy of your text >to the seller to see what he has to say about provenance. He may be many >of the questions surrounding this item so he cannot plead ignorance. Fine, but please make him aware that this is strictly *hearsay*. I have no reason to believe Eric (who knew he was dying when he wrote to me) had any reason to lie, but his recollection may have been wrong. He also pointed out that sometime after the completion of the restoration a quantity of 5 colour lozenge was sold via WW1 Aero by a Canberra resident. However he also added the following disclaimer Quote "Naturally, i cannot vouch for the truth of these rumours but, if true, the facts speak for themselves" Unquote. Regards Shane ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 12:24:19 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: wwi Subject: RE: lozenge on ebay Message-ID: <199809030243.MAA26661@mimmon.mim.com.au> Don, >Geezz Loiuse..... I make better fakes than that piece of trash. >Took a look. The guy that faked it certainly doesnt know much about >the printing process. Notice that the characteristic overlap darkening >where lozenges where printed with about a 1/4"overlap between screens >is totally absent. He probably stained the paperwork with weak tea >too to get that "aged effect"..... :-) Curiosity takes me..... How do I get to see this fake.? Got an URL? Shane ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 21:37:33 -0500 From: mbittner@juno.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Kissenberth's Camel Message-ID: <19980902.214102.-175841.4.mbittner@juno.com> On Wed, 2 Sep 1998 20:03:41 -0400 Mick Fauchon writes: > What about it? 80) > Not for this baby!........If you'll pardon a puny pun 80( Chicken. Matt Bittner _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 21:39:35 -0500 From: mbittner@juno.com To: wwi Subject: Ground cover Message-ID: <19980902.214102.-175841.6.mbittner@juno.com> I have a base made for the Mk.whatever series of tanks. What I want to ask the collective list is: how should I paint this? Right now it's "Celluclay Gray", and although it doesn't look bad, it seems rather bland. Ideas? Glen? Matt Bittner _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 21:37:57 -0500 From: mbittner@juno.com To: wwi Subject: Re: The list turns 4 Message-ID: <19980902.214102.-175841.5.mbittner@juno.com> On Wed, 2 Sep 1998 20:15:31 -0400 Mick Fauchon writes: > Nope, thanks to Al.......because without him, we wouldn't be >here. > > > So Happy Birthday list!..........and hats off to Al!! Mick is always wonderful with words. Hear, here! Matt Bittner _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 19:42:20 -0700 From: Bob Pearson To: WW1 Mailing list Subject: Re: Ground cover Message-ID: <02422058800679@KAIEN.COM> I did mine in various browns, and, of course the requiste sheel hole with white glue water Bob ---------- > From: mbittner@juno.com > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Ground cover > Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 22:39:05 -0400 > > I have a base made for the Mk.whatever series of tanks. What I want to > ask the collective list is: how should I paint this? Right now it's > "Celluclay Gray", and although it doesn't look bad, it seems rather > bland. Ideas? Glen? > > > Matt Bittner > > _____________________________________________________________________ > You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. > Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com > Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Sep 1998 20:12:22 -0700 From: Mike Fletcher To: wwi Subject: Re: lozenge on ebay Message-ID: <35EE0916.B6E1C549@mars.ark.com> The documentation may be a little fudged - certainly curators do disperse unusable bits to the volunteers. I was given a part of the top wing centre section from the Nieuport 17 (the wing was chopped up and this part was cut to remove the aileron tubes) for doing research for NAM's Nieuport 17 and 12 - but it was available because they knew it was not original and they replaced all the wood during the rebuild. It was quite helpful in providing a scale when I was working on models and drawings. (it sits in my living room now - I get lots of ppl asking what it is.) Mike Fletcher ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Sep 1998 23:10:03 -0400 From: Don Rinker To: wwi Subject: Re: lozenge on ebay Message-ID: <35EE088B.3A2617C9@fast.net> Track back to the orignal message. Its got a link right to it on EBay Or go to www.ebay.com and use the search engine. Shane Weier wrote: > > Don, > > >Geezz Loiuse..... I make better fakes than that piece of trash. > > >Took a look. The guy that faked it certainly doesnt know much about > >the printing process. Notice that the characteristic overlap darkening > >where lozenges where printed with about a 1/4"overlap between screens > >is totally absent. He probably stained the paperwork with weak tea > >too to get that "aged effect"..... :-) > > Curiosity takes me..... How do I get to see this fake.? Got an URL? > > Shane ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Sep 1998 10:27:56 +0800 From: Joey Valenciano To: wwi Subject: Re: Ivan: transparent wings Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.19980903102756.0081fcb0@philonline.com.ph> >Blue max (1/48) Nieuport Bebe, the upper wing is transparent. Mine is moulded in white plastic. A bit translucent due to the plastic being thin. That's all. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 20:17:06 -0700 (PDT) From: bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) To: wwi Subject: Re: lozenge on ebay Message-ID: <199809030317.UAA22892@ednet1.orednet.org> Dave writes: -snips- >D VA No. 5390/17; shot down in France on 12/17/17, by Lt. J.L. Sandy and Sgt. >H.F. Hughes in a RE 8 of #3 Squadron Australian Flying Corps. -snip- Piloted by a Ltn. Clauss of J29 who was taken prisoner. Clauss's sole aerial victory was, fittingly enough, another RE8 downed on Nov 13, 1917. Cheers and all, Bill -- Bill Shatzer - bshatzer@orednet.org "Look, strange women lying on their backs in ponds handing out swords - that's no basis for a system of government. Supreme executive power derives from a mandate from the masses, not from some farcical aquatic ceremony." ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 20:23:32 -0700 (PDT) From: bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) To: wwi Subject: RE: lozenge on ebay Message-ID: <199809030323.UAA27463@ednet1.orednet.org> Shane writes: >So the fabric is quite probably genuine. As a member or the ASWW1AH and >a person interested in the matter, it grieves me that the fabric is >being sold on the open market, and isn't where it should be, in a >museum, for all of us to share. It upsets me a bit as well. While the value of this fabric sample is probably not sufficient to justify the War Museum taking legal action to recover it, anyone thinking of bidding on this should be aware that one _never_ obtains good title to stolen property. Cheers and all, Bill -- Bill Shatzer - bshatzer@orednet.org "Look, strange women lying on their backs in ponds handing out swords - that's no basis for a system of government. Supreme executive power derives from a mandate from the masses, not from some farcical aquatic ceremony." ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 20:23:20 -0700 (PDT) From: dianep@webtv.net (Diane Pessler) To: wwi Subject: Re: Ground cover Message-ID: <18241-35EE0BA8-2547@mailtod-152.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Hi! Just subscribed with Matt's help and am very glad to join in. I'm starting a WWI diorama now. What surface did you use for yours and how did you make shellholes? How did you create muddy ground? Thanks, John ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Sep 1998 22:20:56 -0500 From: Kenneth Hagerup To: wwi Subject: Re: Ground cover Message-ID: <35EE0B18.464@prodigy.net> mbittner@juno.com wrote: > > I have a base made for the Mk.whatever series of tanks. What I want to > ask the collective list is: how should I paint this? What is the FS number for mud? Ken ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 22:30:08 -0500 From: "Dr. Phillip Anz-Meador" To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: SORRYSORRYSORRY Message-ID: <01BDD6C1.3E7AA860.panz-meador@vsti.com> my apologies to all list members for sending a large file with JPGS attached to all, rather than the intended victim only (pedro). just too late tonight, i guess. again, my apologies for clogging up the list. phillip ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 23:16:35 EDT From: BStett3770@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: lozenge on ebay Message-ID: <905b7801.35ee0a13@aol.com> Shane http://cgi.ebay.com run the search ask for : german biplane That's how I found it. Keep Modeling Barry Rosemont Hobby ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 20:43:31 -0700 From: Bob Pearson To: WW1 Mailing list Subject: Re: SORRYSORRYSORRY Message-ID: <03433144600794@KAIEN.COM> Well I haven't gotten it yet. In the past when I have inadvertantley sent 500k files to the list they are retunred as too big. Perhpas the same will happen to yours :-) Bob ---------- > From: "Dr. Phillip Anz-Meador" > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: SORRYSORRYSORRY > Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 23:34:10 -0400 > > my apologies to all list members for sending a large file with JPGS > attached to all, rather than the intended victim only (pedro). just too > late tonight, i guess. > > again, my apologies for clogging up the list. > > phillip > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 23:38:57 EDT From: REwing@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Chu Chin Chow (Camel N6345) Message-ID: Dear Bob, Steve, and Mike, Well, I feel pretty stupid. Sounded like a pilot to me! Thanks for setting me straight. I'll ask my wife if she has any relatives by that name. Tomorrow I will take her on a snipe hunt. -Rick- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Sep 1998 20:59:38 -0700 From: mgoodwin@ricochet.net To: wwi Subject: Re: Chu Chin Chow (Camel N6345) Message-ID: <35EE142A.4F73@ricochet.net> REwing@aol.com wrote: > > Dear Bob, Steve, and Mike, > > Well, I feel pretty stupid. Sounded like a pilot to me! Thanks for setting > me straight. I'll ask my wife if she has any relatives by that name. > Tomorrow I will take her on a snipe hunt. > -Rick- AFAIK, there were few Chinese fighter pilots in WWI. Etienne Tsu, was one of them, and he served in the N.37, achieving at least three aerial victories while flying an Nie. 17 and Spad VII. Short article in Windsock 9/5. Let me know if you'd like a copy. FWIW, Riordan ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 1192 **********************