WWI Digest 1190 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: I'm back...I think by KarrArt@aol.com 2) I M wasRe: BUILDING VAC FORM KITS by KarrArt@aol.com 3) Re: new to the wwi list by magnus family 4) Re: Blatant self-promotion by Mick Fauchon 5) Re: new to the wwi list by magnus family 6) RE: New Kits by Mick Fauchon 7) Re: Contest Judging vs. Kit Quality by mbittner@juno.com 8) Re: New Kits by mbittner@juno.com 9) Re: British WW1 colors by mbittner@juno.com 10) Re: Contest Judging vs. Kit Quality by mbittner@juno.com 11) Re: New Kits by mbittner@juno.com 12) Re: Shameless Marketing Attempt (SIDNA List) by TPTPUMPER@aol.com 13) Chrome Yellow by bucky@ptdprolog.net 14) Re: Contest Judging vs. Kit Quality by KarrArt@aol.com 15) Re: New Kits by Joey Valenciano 16) Re: New Kits by Mick Fauchon 17) new drawings by Mike Fletcher 18) Re: British WW1 colors by Mick Fauchon 19) Re: New Kits by Bill Bacon 20) 1/72 scale zepellin-staaken vac-form (old contrail kit) by "Dr. Phillip Anz-Meador" 21) Request by George Pugliese 22) Re: 1/72 scale zepellin-staaken vac-form (old contrail kit) by "Steven M. Perry" 23) Chu Chin Chow (Camel N6345) by mgoodwin@ricochet.net 24) Guynemer's mounts by bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) 25) Re: Chu Chin Chow (Camel N6345) by Bob Pearson 26) Kissenberth's Camel by Mick Fauchon ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 20:03:11 EDT From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: I'm back...I think Message-ID: <21827e6.35ec8b3f@aol.com>> In a message dated 98-09-01 19:36:50 EDT, you write: << Finished up the Belgian Nieuport. ........... Mike Muth NB: W.29(1/72) and Baracca's SPAD (1/28) and ID4 Stearman(Stop snickering!!!)>> Allright! Good to hear whenever anyone finishes anything! As to the ID4 Stearman, I won't laugh if you won't ,if I ever get around to doing David Niven in a clipped wing Nieuport28! Robert K. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 20:03:07 EDT From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi Subject: I M wasRe: BUILDING VAC FORM KITS Message-ID: <9573046f.35ec8b3b@aol.com> In a message dated 98-08-31 23:56:51 EDT, you write: << While you're in a browsing mood try http://tacair-press.com/asm.shtml I was the founder of this club in 1970. One of the very best going. The site for Houston and Albquerque are two of the very best but try some of the other links from Houston or ABQ. You'll get all the help you can use. Lee IPMS USA #1080 >> One of the sponsors of the new Internet Modeler webzine, I do believe. Robert K. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Sep 1998 18:45:02 -0700 From: magnus family To: wwi Subject: Re: new to the wwi list Message-ID: <35ECA31E.8DE@cableregina.com> Bill Shatzer wrote: > > Al Magnus writes: > > > >I'm new here to the WW1 mailing list, so please be patient while I > >learn the ropes, but I do have a few questions to start out. > >1. The new Toko N.11 1/72 scale kit, has some very nice decals. I am > >wondering if the > > decals for Guynemer's "View Charles" and Kazakov's "Skull & Crossbones" > >N.11's are > > accurate? Are there any photographs of these a/c available? > > Well, yes, I have a photo of Guynemer's Ni.11 "Le Vieux Charles" - > page 4, "Aces and Aeroplanes 2, Georges Guynemer" published by > our old friends at Albatros Publications. But, lacking the Toko > kit, I really can't comment on the accuracy of their decals. > > The photo shows what appears a standard Ni.11 in what seems > to be French "yellow". Other than the national insignia, the > only apparent marking is the "LE VIEUX CHARLES" on the starboard > side of the aircraft, begining at about the rear of the cockpit > opening and continuing back to about 1/2 way between the > rudder and the cockpit. (Actually, the marking reads the > other way, from rear to front - but I hope you get my drift > anyway.) > > The lettering is all capital lettering, and in a serif style > similar to the lettering style seen on the rudder serial numbers > (i.e. there is a variation in thickness between the vertical and > horizontal strokes on the letters.) > > Note that unlike the SPADs, the Ni.11 was "Le Vieux Charles" rather > than just plain old "Vieux Charles". (pun intended!) > > >2. The Toko SSW D.III/IV kit has markings for an Alfred Lerner? Should > >this be Alfred Lenz? > > I think so. I can't find a reference to a Alfred Lerner - like > you, I suspect this is a typo for Lenz. > > Cheers and all, Bill > > -- > Bill Shatzer - bshatzer@orednet.org > "Look, strange women lying on their backs in ponds handing out swords - that's > no basis for a system of government. Supreme executive power derives from a > mandate from the masses, not from some farcical aquatic ceremony." Bill, Is there any chance I could get a photocopy, or you could scan me a copy of this photograph of Guynemer's N.11? Al Magnus ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 10:43:50 +1000 (EST) From: Mick Fauchon To: wwi Cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Blatant self-promotion Message-ID: Bob, > Well it is done . . . . The first issue of Internet Modeler is now up at > http://www.avsim.com/mike/awn/ (We'll have our own name soon) > > Lots of WW1 content, lots of off-topic stuff, reviews, etc. Fantastic! I'll be a repeat customer. > > Also please take a moment to fill out the survey. And, yes, I *did* fill out the survey. Cheers, Mick. -- -- Mick Fauchon | Internet: ulmjf@dewey.newcastle.edu.au Reference Section, Auchmuty Library | Ph (intl+61+49) 215861 University of Newcastle, AUSTRALIA | Fax (intl+61+49) 215833 MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM M M M Tasmanian Devil: "#@%!&^*%%...!#@!&**%^@@#$#-+*+*&##@...!!" M M M M Yosemite Sam : "Cut out that Army talk!..Yer in the Navy now!" M M M MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Sep 1998 18:48:50 -0700 From: magnus family To: wwi Subject: Re: new to the wwi list Message-ID: <35ECA402.1320@cableregina.com> Pedro e Francisca Soares wrote: > > ------ =_NextPart_000_01BDD5F7.FC65A480 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > -----Original Message----- > From: mbittner@juno.com [SMTP:mbittner@juno.com] > Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 1998 12:36 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Re: new to the wwi list > > Matt answered Al Magnus: > > .I have a copy of the > Americal instructions for N.3 (until I buy a set for myself - which I > will!). In comparing the two for Guynemer's Nie.11, March 1916: > > Toko's "Vieux-Charles" is way too big.=20 > > And in quite a wrong type of "font". The "Font" Toko used is closer to = > the type of lettering that would later appear on Guynemer SPADs, and = > which as far as I can tell was also different from a/c to a/c. > > Americal shows "Le Vieux Charles" > as a smaller script, that fits under the cockpit, extending past both > sides of the cockpit only a little. Unfortunately, I can't find any > photo's of this machine. > > I have one which shows it quite clearly. I'll let you see it if you're = > interested in it Al. > > Toko and Americal also don't agree on the serial. Toko has it as "315", > while Americal has it as "N 836" (yes, the "N" is missing from the Toko > sheet). However, Americal lists it with a question mark, so it could be > 315. =20 > > HTH. > > Matt Bittner > > To make matters worse, I have Carpena sheet 72.39 "Guynemer et les = > Cygognes" that adds quite a lot to the confusion since it states: > > - N 315 could be the Nieuport X on which Guynemer achieved 3 victories = > between dec.1915 and feb 1916. > > - Vieux Charles in capitals is for one of Guynemer's first N.10 = > two-seaters > > So, Toko's decals would be right for a Ni X, not an XI > > The only decals they have on the sheet for a XI are for n 836 (?) = > "Vieux Charles", 1 victory Sq, n. 3 Verdun / Vauciennes (Oise) March = > 1916. > > My reference on the subject (Les avions de Guynemer by Phillippe Osche) = > states at one point: > > On March the 4th 1916, Sergeant Guynemer is promoted to 2nd lieutenant. = > During the first days of the month, Guynemer receives his first Nieuport = > 13 metres Type XI, named Bebe Nieuport due to its small size. ...... On = > the 12th march, 2nd-Lieutenant Guynemer arrives at Bar-le-Duc at the = > comands of his new Nieuport XI N836, christened Vieux-Charles. During = > the flight he engages a nd downs an LVG that comes down at Ribencourt. = > On the 13th, on patrol with brocard and Deullin, Guynemer attacks 4 = > aircraft in the morning and another two in the afternoon. All this = > fighting brought him 2 bullets in the left arm and some pieces of = > shrapnel on the face. He managed to land at brocourt from where he is = > evacuated to Paris.... 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Well, maybe just regarding Guynemer's "Le Vieux Charles" N.11. Anyone willing to send me a photocopy/scan of what they have so I can see for myself what's going on? Al Magnus ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 10:52:00 +1000 (EST) From: Mick Fauchon To: wwi Cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: RE: New Kits Message-ID: Shane, > I just *knew* you'd get sucked in eventually ! Yep, they all do eventually, ha ha! > Everyone, say "GDay" to another member of the Brisbane Kette. "G'day, Ross!" From [now] sunny Newcastle. You must nearly have a Jasta up there by now, Shane 80) > >They are doing new tool kits of a 1/48 Etrich Taube Ah! A subject dear to my heart! > Rats. There goes another scratchbuild subject. Never mind, I'm sure you'll find something else. > > I would like to belatedly say thanks for all the info I am getting off > this list. > > Aww shucks..... I second that! Mick. -- -- Mick Fauchon | Internet: ulmjf@dewey.newcastle.edu.au Reference Section, Auchmuty Library | Ph (intl+61+49) 215861 University of Newcastle, AUSTRALIA | Fax (intl+61+49) 215833 MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM M M M Tasmanian Devil: "#@%!&^*%%...!#@!&**%^@@#$#-+*+*&##@...!!" M M M M Yosemite Sam : "Cut out that Army talk!..Yer in the Navy now!" M M M MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 19:53:03 -0500 From: mbittner@juno.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Contest Judging vs. Kit Quality Message-ID: <19980901.200058.-210577.0.mbittner@juno.com> On Tue, 1 Sep 1998 10:00:55 -0400 John Berlien writes: >I have a question regarding contest judging. I was just curious >whether >the starting kit quality has anything to do with the judging >assessment >of the model? For example, does a really nicely built Smer DR1 get >the same >judgement as a DML DR1? Since, of course, much more work and >scratchbuilding >skill would be required to make the Smer look like a DML. > >In general, does a Smer or similar kit with only minor modification >and a few >added details even have a chance in a contest against OOB DML, Eduard, >etc? With IPMS, it's important to remember the "basics" first. No seams, paint job decent, no finger prints, etc. Once you pass all of these (and I do mean all) then they look at what you had to work with, and the final, end result. If you built a SMER Dr.I "better than" a DML out of the box, then the SMER will obviously win. However, if you went to the nth degree on the SMER, and it was more detailed and accurate than the Dr.I, but have a thumbprint or small seam showing, the DML will win. So, as I have heard exclaimed many times: "basics first!". Matt Bittner _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 20:07:22 -0500 From: mbittner@juno.com To: wwi Subject: Re: New Kits Message-ID: <19980901.201447.-210577.5.mbittner@juno.com> On Tue, 1 Sep 1998 19:10:03 -0400 Shane Weier writes: >And I'd like to say thanks for bringing along all those new 1/72 kits >and tempting me to buy them.... you swine ;-) Bwahahahahaha!!! Matt Bittner _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 20:12:06 -0500 From: mbittner@juno.com To: wwi Subject: Re: British WW1 colors Message-ID: <19980901.201447.-210577.6.mbittner@juno.com> On Tue, 1 Sep 1998 20:01:45 -0400 knut.erik.hagen@eunet.no (Knut Erik Hagen) writes: >I have also built both Eduard kits so I might help him to get around a >couple >of problems that might arise while building the kit. I think the rest of the list can benefit from this. I know I'm just itching to start mine... :-* Matt Bittner _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 20:13:16 -0500 From: mbittner@juno.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Contest Judging vs. Kit Quality Message-ID: <19980901.201447.-210577.7.mbittner@juno.com> On Tue, 1 Sep 1998 20:06:20 -0400 Shane Weier writes: >FWIW there is no such thing as a "perfect" judging system, the "right" >judging system or even an absolutely "fair" judging system. Those of >us >who care to run shows and cop the brickbats as well as the plaudits >can >at best try to keep the peace in the modelling community and encourage >informed participation in a good spirit. And that, more than >anything, >makes the aches and pains at the end of the show worth the effort Hear, here! Well said. Matt Bittner _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 20:06:48 -0500 From: mbittner@juno.com To: wwi Subject: Re: New Kits Message-ID: <19980901.201447.-210577.4.mbittner@juno.com> On Tue, 1 Sep 1998 18:54:44 -0400 Ross Bronkhurst writes: >Long time lurker first time messager. I got the September issue of >Scale Aviation Modeller yesterday and they have an ad for Flashback. >They are doing new tool kits of a 1/48 Etrich Taube and in 1/72 >a Voison 8 and 2 kits of the Sopwith 1 and a half strutter, a twin >seat >fighter and a single seat fighter-bomber. I am led to believe they are >not related to the Toko kit. A-HA!! I remember seeing ads years ago (when the Baby and Schneider came out) that showed a Voisin. And now it's coming out. It's about time! Matt Bittner _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 21:17:05 EDT From: TPTPUMPER@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Shameless Marketing Attempt (SIDNA List) Message-ID: <7a50ba16.35ec9c91@aol.com> Hi Larry! First, sorry for the delay in answering your note, but my wife's on vacation and we're off and running, exploring our "new" stomping grounds. (We've been in Texas for about six months.) Thanks for asking about my list. Of the kits you asked about, I definitely have the Ansaldo, Pfalz, and Halberstadt. I need to check what's left and let you know about the others. FWIW, I'm asking $10 each for these kits. If I have them, I'm asking $5 each for the Revell and Airfix, and $2 each for the 1/144. The 1/144 are marketed by AHM and are about 20 years old. I understand 1/144 has come a long way since then, so I wanted you to be aware of the age and possible quality of the kits. Let me get my ducks in a row here and write you back about the others. Thanks again! Have Fun!! IRA ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Sep 1998 21:43:25 -0400 From: bucky@ptdprolog.net To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Chrome Yellow Message-ID: <35ECA2BD.28CC4F87@ptdprolog.net> While working on the Stearman, I happened upon a pretty good paint for chrome yellow: Testors Racing Colors #4 Kodak Film Racing Yellow. Covered pretty well in only 2 coats and the yellow looks great. Maybe now I can go back to the Pfalz or the Navy Jenny........ Mike Muth ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 21:47:46 EDT From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Contest Judging vs. Kit Quality Message-ID: <228c4ac9.35eca3c2@aol.com> In a message dated 98-09-01 20:05:43 EDT, you write: << encourage informed participation in a good spirit >> The proverbial nailhead and nutshell! Robert K. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Sep 1998 09:00:08 +0800 From: Joey Valenciano To: wwi Subject: Re: New Kits Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.19980902090008.008fa500@philonline.com.ph> >Long time lurker first time messager. Welcome!!! You bring good news, I think.... :-) > I got the September issue of >Scale Aviation Modeller yesterday and they have an ad for Flashback. >They are doing new tool kits of a 1/48 Etrich Taube Aha!!!! >and in 1/72 >a Voison 8 and 2 kits of the Sopwith 1 and a half strutter What? Still no 1/48 kit for the 1 1/2 Strutter? Will Aeroclub fill this void maybe? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 12:16:21 +1000 (EST) From: Mick Fauchon To: wwi Cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: New Kits Message-ID: > >And I'd like to say thanks for bringing along all those new 1/72 kits > >and tempting me to buy them.... you swine ;-) > > Bwahahahahaha!!! 80( ' ' ' Mick. -- -- Mick Fauchon | Internet: ulmjf@dewey.newcastle.edu.au Reference Section, Auchmuty Library | Ph (intl+61+49) 215861 University of Newcastle, AUSTRALIA | Fax (intl+61+49) 215833 MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM M M M Tasmanian Devil: "#@%!&^*%%...!#@!&**%^@@#$#-+*+*&##@...!!" M M M M Yosemite Sam : "Cut out that Army talk!..Yer in the Navy now!" M M M MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Sep 1998 19:18:12 -0700 From: Mike Fletcher To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: new drawings Message-ID: <35ECAAE4.13F0703@mars.ark.com> I have just added drawings of various ww1 aircraft engines to my site at mars.ark.com/~mdf/nieuport.html though most are of French origin (Clergets, LeRhones, Hispanos, Gnomes), I also have drawings of the BMW IIIa and Oberursel UR2 and UR3. I also have some interior drawings of a ww1 Renault tank if anyone is interested I will email copies. Mike Fletcher (working on gorbachev/russian Nieuport.IVG) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 12:28:18 +1000 (EST) From: Mick Fauchon To: wwi Cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: British WW1 colors Message-ID: Matt, > On Tue, 1 Sep 1998 20:01:45 -0400 knut.erik.hagen@eunet.no (Knut Erik > Hagen) writes: > > >I have also built both Eduard kits so I might help him to get around a > >couple > >of problems that might arise while building the kit. > > I think the rest of the list can benefit from this. I know I'm just > itching to start mine... :-* I'm with you on this one [despite my (graphic) comment on the last one 80) ]. Having a Baby in the pipeline......[I'm not quite sure why I said that X0( ]....I'd be particularly interested, and I'm sure others would be as well. Cheers, Mick. Mick Fauchon | Internet: ulmjf@dewey.newcastle.edu.au Reference Section, Auchmuty Library | Ph (intl+61+49) 215861 University of Newcastle, AUSTRALIA | Fax (intl+61+49) 215833 MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM M M M Tasmanian Devil: "#@%!&^*%%...!#@!&**%^@@#$#-+*+*&##@...!!" M M M M Yosemite Sam : "Cut out that Army talk!..Yer in the Navy now!" M M M MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Sep 1998 21:54:33 -0500 From: Bill Bacon To: wwi Subject: Re: New Kits Message-ID: <35ECB369.3FD1@netjava.net> Bob Pearson wrote: > > > No word on release dates yet. Not much WW1 content in the mag apart from a > > > review of the new windsock datafile on the Martinsyde Elephant. So Shane > > get ready for 1 and 1/2 strutter overload. I would like to belatedly say > > thanks for all the info I am getting off this list. > > > > Thanks > > > > Ross Bronkhurst > > Flashback Strutters you say ! ! ! ! ! Just in time for my OTF article with > profiles of 19 No.3 Wing Strutters :-) > > Regards, > Bob Pearson As Higgins of the old TV show would say. "OH MY GOD". Now I have ypur profiles to keep me broke tring to build them. Just kidding. Your Sute is great. Cheers, Bill B. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 22:05:16 -0500 From: "Dr. Phillip Anz-Meador" To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: 1/72 scale zepellin-staaken vac-form (old contrail kit) Message-ID: <01BDD5F4.9A577000.panz-meador@vsti.com> recently i querried the list concerning those who'd be interested in the vacuum-formed (only) contents of the old contrail kit of the zepellin-staaken R.VI kit (THIS IS NOT THE R.IV KIT MENTIONED IN THE LAST FEW DAYS). the kit may be built as either the land plane or the float-plane version. the molds, as you'll recall, are in the possession of the UK firm "aircraft in miniature" (AIM) and they are willing to work with us to do a few vac-form shots. FWIW, AIM also has the old Formaplane molds. approximatley 10 folks bellied up to the bar. for those, and others who may be newly interested, i have received the reply from mr. neil gaunt of AIM regarding kit cost. for a batch of 10, the cost breakdown is: 15 GBP per shot (3 vac-form sheets comprise 1 "kit" of the R.VI) +20 GBP set-up cost for 10 shots for a total of 170 GBP for the entire lot, EXCLUDING postage and handling. therefore, an individual kit would come to 17 GPB (15 GBP + 2 GBP set-up cost pro-rated) plus applicable postage. excluding P&H, this would total approximately $25.50 USD, $42.50 Canadian $, or a couple thousand Australian lira, er, dollars (right?). i assume that the package would come to houston, then i would disburse these to those parties interested, so that total P&H would be UK -> Houston, TX, USA then Houston, TX, USA -> your modeling lair. THEREFORE, hands-up, you interested folks out there! pleaes e-mail me off-list if you wish to commit to buying one (or more) of these dudes. unfortunately mr. gaunt is out-of-pocket for 8 more days e-mail wise, so i'm not able to comment on what the total postage costs might be on a per-kit basis. when he does return, i'll check with him the capability of AIM to drop-ship from the UK to individual modelers and see if that's possible, thus eliminating the houston connection. phillip ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Sep 1998 23:19:18 -0400 From: George Pugliese To: wwi Subject: Request Message-ID: <35ECB936.682E@iag.net> Hello. Could someone please give me the address to unsubscribe from the list? I deleted the message from my folder and cannot find it. Thank you kindly George ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Sep 1998 23:57:00 -0400 From: "Steven M. Perry" To: wwi Subject: Re: 1/72 scale zepellin-staaken vac-form (old contrail kit) Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19980901235700.0072e364@pop.mindspring.com> Phillip: I'm in on the Stakken deal for one kit. Wish I'd seen your post before the club meeting tonight. I'll talk it around and see who's interested locally. I'm glad you won't be able to contact AIM for a few days as I'll have to wait till payday (9/10) to send any money (Money Order?). sp ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Sep 1998 22:36:46 -0700 From: mgoodwin@ricochet.net To: wwi Subject: Chu Chin Chow (Camel N6345) Message-ID: <35ECD96E.47C3@ricochet.net> Anyone have information on this Camel covered on the Hasegawa Mini-planes decal sheet? Was this one of Arthur Gould-Lee's mounts? BTW, the kit is suitable as a starter for the kiddies or gaming piece only. Fuselage not bad, but starving horse syndrome wings and ugly, deep separation lug depressions, monstrous protruding wing strut locator troughs, dorky one-piece malproportioned undercarriage, only one anemic Vickers and of course, molded-in engine (and pilot!). It would take a bit of work to put this one right. Looks to be around 1/96 scale, or about 4/5 the size of munchkin scale. Is this a new tooling, or does Hasegawa have it on loan from Milton-Bradley? Has the F.1 datafile been reprinted? FWIW, Riordan ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 23:25:45 -0700 (PDT) From: bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) To: wwi Subject: Guynemer's mounts Message-ID: <199809020625.XAA01193@ednet1.orednet.org> While we are on the subject of Georges Guynemer, would anyone like to turn to page 314 of the FMP "French Aircraft of the First World War" book and venture an opinion as to whether the photograph on that page might depict Guynemer and his original Morane- Saulnier Type "L"? The pilot in this photo bears at least a resemblance to Guynemer. Could it, in fact, be him? For bonus points, identify who "Old Charles" ("Le Vieux Charles") was. No prizes for a correct answer, just the satisfaction of knowing the answer to a question which will _never_, _ever_, appear in either Jeopardy or Trivia Pursuit. The decision of the judges will be final! :-) Cheers and all, Bill -- Bill Shatzer - bshatzer@orednet.org "Look, strange women lying on their backs in ponds handing out swords - that's no basis for a system of government. Supreme executive power derives from a mandate from the masses, not from some farcical aquatic ceremony." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 23:42:48 -0700 From: Bob Pearson To: WW1 Mailing list Subject: Re: Chu Chin Chow (Camel N6345) Message-ID: <06424853301170@KAIEN.COM> Darius, Abridged from the Camel File . . Deld Dover for storage 18.5.17; ADD 28.5.17;4N Sqn 5.6.17 (named CHU CHIN CHOW), Albatros C in flames 25.6.17 (FSL AJ Chadwick); Dunkerque Seaplane Defence Flight 17.10.17; became 13N 13.1.18; 2-str seaplane in sea in flames shared with lots of others 19.2.18 (FSL GD Smith); with others attacked U-boat 23.2.18 (Smith); Dover 5.3.18; 13N 8.3.18; 1 NAP Dunkerque 9.3.18; 4 ASD Guines 28.3.18; Deleted 8.4.18 general fatigue Bob ---------- > From: mgoodwin@ricochet.net > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Chu Chin Chow (Camel N6345) > Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 01:52:26 -0400 > > Anyone have information on this Camel covered on the Hasegawa > Mini-planes decal sheet? Was this one of Arthur Gould-Lee's mounts? > BTW, the kit is suitable as a starter for the kiddies or gaming piece > only. Fuselage not bad, but starving horse syndrome wings and ugly, deep > separation lug depressions, monstrous protruding wing strut locator > troughs, dorky one-piece malproportioned undercarriage, only one anemic > Vickers and of course, molded-in engine (and pilot!). It would take a > bit of work to put this one right. Looks to be around 1/96 scale, or > about 4/5 the size of munchkin scale. Is this a new tooling, or does > Hasegawa have it on loan from Milton-Bradley? > > Has the F.1 datafile been reprinted? > > FWIW, > > Riordan ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 16:55:47 +1000 (EST) From: Mick Fauchon To: WW1Av Subject: Kissenberth's Camel Message-ID: Sandy was right, there is a photo of this machine in Alex Imrie's book Pictorial History of the German Army Air service: Kissenberth, in shirt-sleeves and braces, is lounging in front of it, and the shot is taken from dead ahead.....so we can twll practically nothing from it, except that the cowling was painted. So can anybody tell me what the b/w on the tailplane was? I'm assuming that as the nose was blue, the wheel-covers would be blue as well, but I'm open to correction if anybody knows better. It also looks as if I'll have to switch scales [Matt!].....to 1/32; can't get a Smer one, and it would take some time to get one from Blue Max: the Hobbycraft kit I can get immediately. Apart from which, I can convert some Airfix Multipose for pilot[s[ and groundcrew. Anyone made the Habbycraft Camel? Cheers, Mick. -- -- Mick Fauchon | Internet: ulmjf@dewey.newcastle.edu.au Reference Section, Auchmuty Library | Ph (intl+61+49) 215861 University of Newcastle, AUSTRALIA | Fax (intl+61+49) 215833 MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM M M M Tasmanian Devil: "#@%!&^*%%...!#@!&**%^@@#$#-+*+*&##@...!!" M M M M Yosemite Sam : "Cut out that Army talk!..Yer in the Navy now!" 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