WWI Digest 1186 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Sandy's Pup! by Mike Dicianna 2) Re: SHON HOWELL - UPDATE by "David R.L. Laws" 3) Re: Spad Thingies by "David R.L. Laws" 4) Re: SPAD THINGIES by "David R.L. Laws" 5) DR1 on the web by r_niles@juno.com (Russell W Niles) 6) Re: Spad Thingies by John & Allison Cyganowski 7) Re: Sandy's Pup by KarrArt@aol.com 8) Luke's Serials by John & Allison Cyganowski 9) Rhinebeck Pilgrimage by John & Allison Cyganowski 10) Re: Spad Thingies by KarrArt@aol.com 11) Re: Sandy's Pup! by Jeff Wilson 12) Re: Luke's Serials by Bill Bacon 13) Re: von Kissenberth's Camel by Mick Fauchon 14) Re: Colors by "David R.L. Laws" 15) Re: Colors by Bill Bacon 16) Re: Luke's Serials by bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) 17) Paint Color - GER - Streaked finish by Joey Valenciano 18) Re: Luke's Serials by Suvoroff@aol.com 19) Shucks, guys! by "Sandy Adam" 20) 1/48 ZEPPELIN STAAKEN R.IV on the way! by "Michal Beran" 21) Re: Rhinebeck Pilgrimage by mbittner@juno.com 22) Re: 1/48 ZEPPELIN STAAKEN R.IV on the way! by "David R.L. Laws" 23) RE:FMP books by "Michal Beran" 24) Antwort: RE:FMP books by hans.juergen.glueck@gis-online.de 25) Re: Luke's Serials by Bill Bacon 26) Re: 1/48 ZEPPELIN STAAKEN R.IV on the way! by Joey Valenciano 27) Re: Wanted: One Ballon Killer by "Paul Schwartzkopf" 28) Re: 27 TH CHECKERBOARD MARKING by "David R.L. Laws" 29) Re: 27 TH CHECKERBOARD MARKING # 2 by "David R.L. Laws" 30) Re: Hello and looking for 1/72nd kits by Patrick Wilson 31) Re: BUILDING VAC FORM KITS by "David R.L. Laws" 32) Re: Austin Show by The Shannons ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 17:45:12 +0000 From: Mike Dicianna To: wwi Subject: Sandy's Pup! Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19980830174512.006bf964@proaxis.com> Don't hit this pup with a rolled up newspaper....Great job. Gives me inspiration to dig out the kit again...If I ever get back to my workbench!!! How about a nice closeup detail shot of the cockpit (it looks absolutely fabulous even in the shot shown) Mikedc "Der Rote Modellflugzeugbauer" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 11:05:16 +0000 From: "David R.L. Laws" To: wwi Subject: Re: SHON HOWELL - UPDATE Message-ID: <35EA836D.3E3A@webtime.com.au> Ken, My thanks for the reassuring news DAVID ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 11:08:02 +0000 From: "David R.L. Laws" To: wwi Subject: Re: Spad Thingies Message-ID: <35EA8412.5AAC@webtime.com.au> JOHN, Thanks for the " line " of enquiry and info - Will check it out !!! REGARDS DAVID ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 11:09:07 +0000 From: "David R.L. Laws" To: wwi Subject: Re: SPAD THINGIES Message-ID: <35EA8453.115C@webtime.com.au> MATT Thanks for the URL REGARDS David ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 20:59:48 EDT From: r_niles@juno.com (Russell W Niles) To: wwi Subject: DR1 on the web Message-ID: <19980830.180134.10847.0.r_niles@juno.com> To all of you who sent kind words, and to those who did not write but said kind words anyway: Thanks very much. Rick did indeed offer a great deal of assistance in the use of his rather large (by my standards at least) library. I was able to pick up one of his loaned books at the Nationals, so when I do the next DR1, I won't need to borrow his book on it again. RIck, I really do appreciate your generosity, and your help. In response to an inquiry about how I did the streaked olive, it was really quite simple. Initially I painted the blue(turqoise) undersides, and the CDL on the wings and fuselage with an airbrush. Then, after it had cured for about a week, I took a bottle of Modelmaster RLM 80 olivgrun, dipped a flat 1/4" brush in it, wiped it on a paper towel, closed my eyes, said a quick prayer, and just started streaking the top wing at about a 45deg. angle. After I got over the initial fright of even doing it, I started on the fuselage. In about 30 minutes the whole process was over with. I had been putting it off for about a month, scared to death I was going to screw up all of the work I had been doing. To my surprise, it came out exactly like I had wanted it to. Anyway, thats how it was done. I have not picked another scheme for the next DR1, but will not do another as complicated as Kempf's. I guess I will have to continue doing my research. Thanks again to all. Russ Niles IPMS 4450 Too close for missles....switching to guns. _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 21:48:10 -0400 From: John & Allison Cyganowski To: wwi Subject: Re: Spad Thingies Message-ID: <35EA00DA.7A4D@worldnet.att.net> The 27th Aero site alludes to the fact that Luke flew a couple of SPADs. The PD sheet mentions that Luke's markings are "obscure". Mike Muth sent me a photocopy of a page out of a book, and it shows "26" along with Joe Wehner. By the by, I remember reading somewhere that we are not even certain of the serial no. of Luke's ship. 15155 was known to have been on strength with the 27th, but it is not known for certain that this is the ship that Luke flew. Cyg. (Lukeophile...but not a necrophile, let's get that straight!) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 22:01:31 EDT From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Sandy's Pup Message-ID: <10e165bc.35ea03fb@aol.com>> Perhaps the greatest compliment I can pay is "EEEYIPES! It makes my eyes hurt!" Great job! Robert K. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 21:54:42 -0400 From: John & Allison Cyganowski To: wwi Subject: Luke's Serials Message-ID: <35EA0262.48F2@worldnet.att.net> Bill, Could you cite a source for these serials? Thanks, Cyg. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 22:07:32 -0400 From: John & Allison Cyganowski To: wwi Subject: Rhinebeck Pilgrimage Message-ID: <35EA0564.EA5@worldnet.att.net> Okay, I went this weekend and it was the first time I saw the Bebe in flight. Matt, I am in love! Got some nice video too! Cyg. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 23:53:50 EDT From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Spad Thingies Message-ID: <20328a22.35ea1e4e@aol.com>> In a message dated 98-08-30 22:08:23 EDT, you write: << By the by, I remember reading somewhere that we are not even certain of the serial no. of Luke's ship. 15155 was known to have been on strength with the 27th, but it is not known for certain that this is the ship that Luke flew. Cyg. (Lukeophile...but not a necrophile, let's get that straight!) >> Part of what makes me a fellow "Lukeophile" is the rapidity with he appeared on the scene, and then disappeared, leaving behind not a lot of photos and other historical debris. Robert K. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 14:27:14 +1100 From: Jeff Wilson To: wwi Subject: Re: Sandy's Pup! Message-ID: Sandy, I have to agree with everyone else. It really is a lovely model and like Mike, I'd like to see more of the cockpit. Keep up the good work. Best regards, Jeff Jeffrey Spencer Wilson Photography Unit RSBS Australian National University Acton Canberra ACT 0200 Australia Phone (02) 6249 3635 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 00:08:49 -0500 From: Bill Bacon To: wwi Subject: Re: Luke's Serials Message-ID: <35EA2FE1.1CCC@netjava.net> John & Allison Cyganowski wrote: > > Bill, > > Could you cite a source for these serials? > > Thanks, > Cyg. The source of the serisls is FMP's new Medal of Honor book by Durkota. I find the book most interesting. Another bit is the stripe on Rickenbacker's Spad id RED and WHITE not RED, WHITE and BLUE. More book delving. Cheers, Bill B. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 15:21:07 +1000 (EST) From: Mick Fauchon To: wwi Cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: von Kissenberth's Camel Message-ID: Bob, > There is a profile of it in Windosck 7/6, and a photo in Camel: King of > Combat. It was an ex 3(N) RNAS machine and as such has their markings of a > blue nose Which part of the nose? Cowling? All metal panels? Dark or light blue? and the RNAS Eagle on the fuselage side. The tail was done in the > Js23B markings of black/white. I've had a look at the profile on the list's homepage, but as it's only an elevation [rhs] drawing, I don't have any idea of how the b/w was applied to the tailplane. Help? I can send you a copy of my old profile of it > - I have to update it sometime to the new computer ones. If you just describe it, that would be fine 80) > > Research by Andy Kemp and myself has failed to resolve just what Camel this > was - it definately is not B7230 as stated in many source (including an > earlier posting by me) We won't hold it against you. It's fairly academic anyway, seeing as the serial was painted out on Kissenberth's machine. TIA, Mick. Mick Fauchon | Internet: ulmjf@dewey.newcastle.edu.au Reference Section, Auchmuty Library | Ph (intl+61+49) 215861 University of Newcastle, AUSTRALIA | Fax (intl+61+49) 215833 MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM M M M Tasmanian Devil: "#@%!&^*%%...!#@!&**%^@@#$#-+*+*&##@...!!" M M M M Yosemite Sam : "Cut out that Army talk!..Yer in the Navy now!" M M M MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 15:57:27 +0000 From: "David R.L. Laws" To: wwi Subject: Re: Colors Message-ID: <35EAC7E6.5C41@webtime.com.au> Provoked by the recent thread on German Streaked finishes and the older one covering PC 10 and NIVO recipes the following occurred to me Would the worthy members of the List be interested to contributing to a dedicated thread ( to run over the next couple of weeks ) setting out their secret/ GEHEIM ! and incontestably accurate (!) colour recipes and finishes/ methods - under browser top bar " Subject " headings such as : Paint Color - CDL - TEXT : Mix Brand X No 34 30% with Brand X No 54 70% Paint Color - GER - loz - 4 col UPPER TEXT : Col A " Straw " - Mix etc ... Paint Color - Fr 5 colour TEXT : as above ... Paint Color - Brit - Nivo/ PC 10 Paint Color - GER - Streaked finish - TEXT : method+colors (a) Colors (b) Method of application This would place all the accumulated knowledge of those willing to contribute into a central resource and offer a " standardised " ( recognising that there will of course be individual preferences and thus variations ) starting point ( at the least ) to less experienced modellers Once done, Alan might be prepared to add this to the general references on the site page and make it a downloadable reference sheet - It'd make it so much easier than trawling through the Archives !!! If Alan doesn't object to our revisiting some older contributions ... Is there a consensus on this ?! REGARDS DAVID ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 00:56:00 -0500 From: Bill Bacon To: wwi Subject: Re: Colors Message-ID: <35EA3AF0.482D@netjava.net> David R.L. Laws wrote: > > Provoked by the recent thread on German Streaked finishes and the older > one covering PC 10 and NIVO recipes the following occurred to me > > Would the worthy members of the List be interested to contributing to a > dedicated thread ( to run over the next couple of weeks ) setting out > their secret/ GEHEIM ! and incontestably accurate (!) colour recipes > and finishes/ methods - under browser top bar " Subject " headings such > as : > > Paint Color - CDL - > TEXT : Mix Brand X No 34 30% with Brand X No 54 70% > > Paint Color - GER - loz - 4 col UPPER > TEXT : Col A " Straw " - Mix etc ... > > Paint Color - Fr 5 colour > TEXT : as above ... > > Paint Color - Brit - Nivo/ PC 10 > > Paint Color - GER - Streaked finish - > TEXT : method+colors > (a) Colors > (b) Method of application > > This would place all the accumulated knowledge of those willing to > contribute into a central resource and offer a " standardised " ( > recognising that there will of course be individual preferences and thus > variations ) starting point ( at the least ) to less experienced > modellers > > Once done, Alan might be prepared to add this to the general references > on the site page and make it a downloadable reference sheet - It'd make > it so much easier than trawling through the Archives !!! > > If Alan doesn't object to our revisiting some older contributions ... Is > there a consensus on this ?! > > REGARDS > > DAVID Great idea. Cheers, Bill B. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 23:34:34 -0700 (PDT) From: bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) To: wwi Subject: Re: Luke's Serials Message-ID: <199808310634.XAA25466@ednet1.orednet.org> The "other" Bill writes: >The source of the serisls is FMP's new Medal of Honor book by Durkota. >I find the book most interesting. Another bit is the stripe on >Rickenbacker's Spad id RED and WHITE not RED, WHITE and BLUE. More book >delving. This is SPAD XIII "1", S 4523? Even the crummy-quality photos I have of this aircraft seem to disclose a clear difference in tonal quality between the two "darker" portions of the stripes. What is Durkota's basis for concluding that both these "darker" portions are red? Certainly the two different tonal qualities of the "darker" portions of the stripes seems to resemble the tonal qualities of the "darker" portions of the rudder stripes - which I would assume can be taken as red and blue. More information on the basis of this "heretical" assertion would be appreciated. Certainly two _different_ reds with _different_ tonal qualities is unlikely? Surely the stripes must have become red, white and blue at some point in the history of this aircraft; even if they were some other colors originally? Cheers and all, Bill -- Bill Shatzer - bshatzer@orednet.org "Look, strange women lying on their backs in ponds handing out swords - that's no basis for a system of government. Supreme executive power derives from a mandate from the masses, not from some farcical aquatic ceremony." ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 14:39:22 +0800 From: Joey Valenciano To: wwi Subject: Paint Color - GER - Streaked finish Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.19980831143922.008e73e0@philonline.com.ph> >TEXT : method+colors >(a) Colors CDL = Tamiya acrylic DESERT YELLOW Fokker Green = Tamiya enamel OLIVE DRAB or OLIVE DRAB+OLIVE GREEN >(b) Method of application 1) Spray on the Desert Yellow and allow to dry. 2) Put a few drops of your desired Green mixture (I like straight OD now) onto a saucer. 3) Pick up the paint w/ a flat tipped brush and work on the CDL. 4) Mix the amount of paint thinner you feel comfortable to work with. 5) The acrylic paint will NOT run! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 03:07:24 EDT From: Suvoroff@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Luke's Serials Message-ID: <9b91ea27.35ea4bac@aol.com>> "What is Durkota's basis for concluding that both these 'darker' portions are red?" One of my pet peeves with these colour and marking gurus is that they often do not explain or attempt to justify their profile colour choices. For example if an artist shows a blue circle on the side of the fuselage on airplane X, was it known from other sources that it was blue? Did he get it from some aged ground crewman or enemy intellegence reports or newspapers? Did he make a shaky comparison with another known colour on the airplane, but in different lighting conditions (like sunstruck roundels on the top wing)? Or did he just guess? Especially when an artist's interpretation differs markedly from the traditonal one, it would be very helpful to understand just why he made the decision he did. Yours, James D. Gray ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 09:12:22 -0700 From: "Sandy Adam" To: "AAA - WW1 Group" Subject: Shucks, guys! Message-ID: <199808310831.JAA29799@beryl.sol.co.uk> Many thanks for all the kind words about my Pup. I didn't know Al was going to put it on the web page - it was really just a test shot to see if my scanner works. That pic was a bit blurry, but I'll try and do some better ones now. Sandy ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 11:33:24 +0200 From: "Michal Beran" To: Subject: 1/48 ZEPPELIN STAAKEN R.IV on the way! Message-ID: <199808310838.KAA13034@jenicek.cm-sec.cz> Hi, a two weeks (or so), there was a short discussion on the list concerning = Zeppelin Staaken R.IV. Shane wrote something like: >but could you imagine a Zeppelin Staaken R.IV in 1/48 scale?? Well, this monster is on the way. I have just opened last issue of = HPM(czech modelling magazine) and there is an add of new czech = manufacturer GAVIA. They advertise 1/48 Zeppelin Staaken R.IV as = "prepared kit". No details except this statement: Multimedia kit with = injected, resin, photoetched and fibreglass parts. I want to contact the GAVIA boys today and to learn more about this. = Their first kit is the off topic 1/72 Let L 410 Turbolet Czech airliner = and it's quite a good first effort for me. I'll keep you informed. So, those WWI braille scale modellers, prepare your hangars! Regards Michal ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 04:52:31 -0500 From: mbittner@juno.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Rhinebeck Pilgrimage Message-ID: <19980831.045748.-249447.0.mbittner@juno.com> On Sun, 30 Aug 1998 22:19:00 -0400 John & Allison Cyganowski writes: >Okay, I went this weekend and it was the first time I saw the Bebe in >flight. > >Matt, I am in love! Got some nice video too! Cool! I would like to see some. Matt Bittner _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 20:42:23 +0000 From: "David R.L. Laws" To: wwi Subject: Re: 1/48 ZEPPELIN STAAKEN R.IV on the way! Message-ID: <35EB0AAF.26AA@webtime.com.au> Oh goody !!! At last something to get your teeth into ( even if only out of pure frustration - No Bob, not a dig about the Felixstowe ... speaking of which .. ) Now for the real question How much is this Leviathin ! DAVID ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 12:53:53 +0200 From: "Michal Beran" To: Subject: RE:FMP books Message-ID: <199808310959.LAA13291@jenicek.cm-sec.cz> Hi, I cannot find the right FMP web site. The www.flying_machines.com = doesn't work for me at all. Could anyone help me , please? TIA Michal ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 13:16:39 +0200 From: hans.juergen.glueck@gis-online.de To: wwi Subject: Antwort: RE:FMP books Message-ID: Hy, should be www.flying-machines.com bye Hans-Juergen ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 06:20:18 -0500 From: Bill Bacon To: wwi Subject: Re: Luke's Serials Message-ID: <35EA86F2.3B39@netjava.net> Guess I really lit one this time. Just reporting what the book shows. I had always thought that Rickenbacker's Spad had RED, WHITE and BLUE stripe. As shown in Durkota's book there are two (2) stripes, one RED and the other WHITE. I was as suprised as you have been. As I remember and correct me if I am wrong, an early issue of C&C US listed all the authorised striped and insignia. This was the basis for the MicroScale sheets with all insignia and stripes but no instructions. In all cases RED, WHITE and BLUE as have been all profile from day one. Yes, it is 4523. Now to quote Durkota: "SPAD 13 C1 (Kellner-built) serial number S4523 "1"as flown by First Lieutenant Edward V. Rickenbacker of the 94th Aero Squadron. big snip The squadron's diagonal stripe, of red and white, was carried on the top wing's upper right surface and bottom wing's lower right surface." All of which is great but the color drawing shows the stripe on the upper left. Another bit is that S4523 had the blue stripe leading until the fall of 1918. Rickenbacker's Nieuport 28 "16" is shown with the Red and White stripe on upper right and lower right.I find no references forb the markings. Most curious. Bob Pearson, any comments or additions? Cheers, Bill B. '1 ' k ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 19:06:32 +0800 From: Joey Valenciano To: wwi Subject: Re: 1/48 ZEPPELIN STAAKEN R.IV on the way! Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.19980831190632.00817650@philonline.com.ph> >>a Zeppelin Staaken R.IV in 1/48 scale?? > >Well, this monster is on the way. I have just opened last issue of = >HPM(czech modelling magazine) and there is an add of new czech = >manufacturer GAVIA. They advertise 1/48 Zeppelin Staaken R.IV as = >"prepared kit". No details except this statement: Multimedia kit with = >injected, resin, photoetched and fibreglass parts. I'd save up for one of these monsters. Errrr, no news yet of anyone working on a Gotha anymore? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 07:54:19 -0500 From: "Paul Schwartzkopf" To: wwi Subject: Re: Wanted: One Ballon Killer Message-ID: >Have you heard about the 50 story Canadian weather balloon that got away = and >refuses to be shot down? It is presently somewhere over the Atlantic = after >drifting from the Praires, and then to Iceland. The CAF tried to shot it >down, but it didn't help. Where are the Zep-strafers when you need them? >Regards, > Bob See? You guys shouldn't have made fun about that Canadian lighthouse and = US Navy carrier the other day--it's coming back to haunt you...... :-) Paul A. Schwartzkopf ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Sep 1998 00:26:09 +0000 From: "David R.L. Laws" To: wwi Subject: Re: 27 TH CHECKERBOARD MARKING Message-ID: <35EB3F21.62E7@webtime.com.au> Daniel Conover wrote: > > Sorry boss - I was excited when I got your e-mail because I was pretty sure I would have the original source on that one ... but the hand-drawn notes DON'T LIST THE COLORS. Cpl. Walter "Shorty" Williams made notes on all this stuff in his journals (which are on file at the U.S. Air Force Academy Special Collections room), and yes, he did draw it out. But he never said black or blue. > > Interestingly enough, I don't think the Frank Luke Jr. "replica" Spad at the Champlain Fighter Museum in Mesa, AZ, actually shows the > checkerboard. photos that I have from the 27th don't show it, either. And Shorty's note says that it was painted on both the upper AND lower wings, which would make you think it would show up on some of those old pictures. Shorty says it was painted on 27th a/c from 1917-19, but I wonder about whether they always got around to it. The average lifespan of those air frames was only two weeks, and they stayed pretty busy from the middle of September on. > > While we're at it, do you have any information about the numbers on > individual planes? Frank Luke is always associated with No. 26, and I learned from one of the diaries that Jerry Vasconcells flew the No. 10 plane for a while. Otherwise, I am clueless. > > Also, I just noticed something: Shorty's sketch of the Eagle insignia shows what look to be THREE HEARTS enfolded in the wing of the eagle, not the field of stars that I usually see (and I put into the logo for the > site). Hmmm.... > > Good luck in your search. > > David R.L. Laws wrote: > > > DANIEL > > > > Nice site ! > > > > Was wondering if any reliable information has come your way on the > > colours of the 27th's diagonal wing stripe checkerboard - The current > > punting is that it's white and EITHER BLACK OR DARK (COCKADE ?) BLUE > > > > ANY CLUES GREATLY APPRECIATED !! > > > > REGARDS > > > > DAVID R.L. LAWS ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Sep 1998 00:31:08 +0000 From: "David R.L. Laws" To: wwi Subject: Re: 27 TH CHECKERBOARD MARKING # 2 Message-ID: <35EB404C.7605@webtime.com.au> Daniel Conover wrote: > > oops. i started questioning that statement i made about the museum in Mesa not showing the checkerboard, so i went back and dug through my files and found some photos i hired a guy to shoot me for me. Mesa DOES show the checkerboard, but only on the top wing - not on the lower wing. > Mesa has the checkerboard painted black and white and slanting to the left (shorty drew it slanting to the right.). > > the blue used in the cockade is actually much lighter, say, than the dark blue used painting the cowling (??) ring on the nose of the Spad. Heck, from what I can see, I can't be sure the nose isn't black. > > i should tell you that shorty williams isn't always the best source. his diaries are great, but much of what he wrote (and, i suspect, those sketches, too) came years after the war when the little guy was basking in the reflected glory of his association with the pilots of the 27th. > > one possible suggestion, though: if you're REALLY obsessed with this, there's always the chance that shorty didn't note the colors of the insignia, etc., because he drew the sketches in color. i have not been out to colorado springs, so i don't know. the librarians there sent me the whole thing on microfilm and i made copies, so everything is black and white, very low-res. if you live nearby, you might want to stop in on them. the other option, and this might work, would be to call the librarians there and ask them. the guys i talked to were great, and it's not like they have a lot to do. they might go take a look and tell you if you're just looking for one thing. > > if you do decide to go, please tell me. the jerry vasconcells collection is there. it's extensive and it has NEVER BEEN CATALOGED. it's just a mess of papers and photos in a box that was down in his basement when he died and his wife donated it. i'm dying to see it, but i'm too busy and too broke to get out there from south carolina. > > David R.L. Laws wrote: THIS AND THE LAST MESSAGE THROUGH THE KIND OFFICES OF DANIEL CONNOVER ON THE 27TH AERO SITE ( RECOMMENDED BY BOB KARR ) - SO GUYS, ANYONE HEADING OUT TO COLORADO SPRINGS TO YET ANOTHER UNCATALOGUED COLLECTION !!!! REGARDS DAVID ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 10:31:12 -0400 From: Patrick Wilson To: wwi Subject: Re: Hello and looking for 1/72nd kits Message-ID: <35EAB3AF.1A9F43B5@comversens.com> --------------521CDBC3732DD433A98D871B Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Thanks for the reply. Unfortunately this mailing list is hooked into my computerat work, so I didn't get it until today. I'll have to give the gentleman a call tonight (I'm East coast) and see if he is willing to ship. -- Patrick Wilson Andover Highlands x3008 --------------521CDBC3732DD433A98D871B Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
 
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  --------------521CDBC3732DD433A98D871B-- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Sep 1998 00:52:13 +0000 From: "David R.L. Laws" To: wwi Subject: Re: BUILDING VAC FORM KITS Message-ID: <35EB453C.58EE@webtime.com.au> Who among you wise men can tell a poor old bloke how to go about their first Vac kit. It's an Aeroclub kit - I did the pencil edging and have cut out the forms - I'm now the proud possessor of an aircraft with a tail/ rudder about 2 scale feet thick, a fuselage that badly needs a Jenny Craig crash diet ( or serious liposuction ) and wings which belong on a Neolithic canoe as the paddles. I suppose one starts with ( ideally ) some plate glass or simlar true and flat surface, some wet and dry paper and gentlely cuts down the excess/ waste with great and extreme care - I also take it as read that one is advised to have some reliable plans to reckon dimensions/ cross sections - Quo Vadis ? Your pearls of wisdom, or reference to an existing site ( rather than a book ) with some downloadable tips would be greatly appreciated. TIA REGARDS DAVID ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 09:56:47 -0500 From: The Shannons To: wwi Subject: Re: Austin Show Message-ID: <35EAB9AE.138F168D@ix.netcom.com> I'm afraid I was not faithful to everyone on getting all the info, I was not feeling well this weekend and paid attention only to the things I knew about. In 1/48th WWI (Biplanes or Aircraft with Struts, Fabric, & Rigging) 1st -- Albatros C.III -- Eduard Boehme "Dragodile" -- Mark Shannon 2nd -- Fokker E.V -- DML, Lowenhardt -- Dave Orloff 3rd -- Morane-Saulnier type 'L' -- Eduard, Warneford -- Mark Shannon Greg Springer, formerly on this list, won 1st in large prop 1/48th with a beautiful G4M1 "Betty" in Yamamoto mission markings, very complete interior. He came within an ace of getting best aircraft in show, but lost out by dint of insufficiently hollowed out exhausts to an also beautifully done FW-190D-9. (They were the finalists among the judges, and the Betty was leading until one of the judges started pointing out the 'flaw') Both were extremely impressive, none the less. I picked up another third for an off-topic Ki-84-I-ko in 29th Hikoshotai in the 1/72nd other unpleasantness catagory. I learned how to judge, doing the OOB, Aircraft Dio, 1/32nd, and 1/48 Modern Jets (Large and Small) with Greg and a few others. It was a good show, but as was said, it lacked WWI content on the tables and among the vendors. Richard must have been there early, because I would have snapped up the HP if he hadn't already. Other than that there were the current Eduards, at non-bargain prices, the DML Spad in the American Flag version, and I saw a couple of people clutching K&B Eindeckers and an original box Aurora Pfalz D.III. I saw one Airfix Hannoveranner when I was going over for the judges call, but it was gone when I went back. .Mark. Richard Eaton wrote: > Just a brief note on the IPMS show in Austin this weekend. Started > out slow but had quite a few entries come in just prior to > judging. Of WWI note: > > 1/48 4 entires (Nice MS L) > 1/72 3 entries > 1/32 (I think) Scratch Albatros D Va that was very nice. > All other categories had entries in the tens and more. > > I could not stay till the announcements. John? Did You? > > The usual large croud of venders with very little wwi kits. > I managed to pick up an airfix HP 400 for next to nothing because > of the tired box. The plastic is good though! > > All in all a good show. Nice way to get out of the 102 temps. > > Regards, > > Richard -- This has been Mark and/or Mary Shannon at Shingend@ix.netcom.com History manages to get away with cliches no novelist could. ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 1186 **********************