WWI Digest 1170 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Dr.I: Streaked Olive Over Turquoise or CDL? by KarrArt@aol.com 2) Re: Colors by KarrArt@aol.com 3) Sopwith Triplane cockpit by Bob Pearson 4) Re: Dr.I: Streaked Olive Over Turquoise or CDL? by TPTPUMPER@aol.com 5) Re: And congrats to . . . . . by Shane & Lorna Jenkins 6) Re: And congrats to . . . . . by Bob Pearson 7) Re: house vs models wasRe: What's really on everyone's work bench? by Patrick Padovan 8) Re: Nie 24/27 kits (1/48) by Patrick Padovan 9) Re: house vs models wasRe: What's really on everyone's work bench? by "Richard Eaton" 10) Re: house vs models wasRe: What's really on everyone's work bench? by KarrArt@aol.com 11) Re: house vs models wasRe: What's really on everyone's work bench? by KarrArt@aol.com 12) Re: Nie 24/27 kits (1/48) by mbittner@juno.com 13) Re: Ni.11 colours (was Re: What's really on everyone's work by mbittner@juno.com 14) Re: Nieuport 11 Colors, was What's really on everyone's work bench? by mbittner@juno.com 15) Re: Sopwith Triplane cockpit by Allred240Z@aol.com 16) Re: Nie 24/27 kits (1/48) by mgoodwin@ricochet.net 17) Re: Nie 24/27 kits (1/48) by BStett3770@aol.com 18) Re: Nie 24/27 kits (1/48) by Joey Valenciano 19) Re: Sopwith Triplane cockpit by Joey Valenciano 20) Re: Nie 24/27 kits (1/48) by Joey Valenciano 21) Re: Nieuport 11 Colors: Coppens 11/16 by mgoodwin@ricochet.net 22) WWI Books from USNI by Kenneth Hagerup 23) Re: Nie 24/27 kits (1/48) by Patrick Padovan 24) Re: Nie 24/27 kits (1/48) by Patrick Padovan 25) Re: SHON HOWELL - Rec.models.scale by "David R.L. Laws" 26) Re: Nie 24/27 kits (1/48) by Joey Valenciano 27) dan-san abbot? by "Jay Humphreys" 28) RE: Colors by Shane Weier 29) RE: dan-san abbot? by "Dr. Phillip Anz-Meador" 30) Re: Dr.I: Streaked Olive Over Turquoise or CDL? by Mike Fletcher 31) Re: Dr.I: Streaked Olive Over Turquoise or CDL? by Bob Pearson ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 12:34:20 EDT From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Dr.I: Streaked Olive Over Turquoise or CDL? Message-ID: <23a6e044.35d9ad0d@aol.com> In a message dated 98-08-18 02:15:06 EDT, you write: << Is there any agreement if the Dr.I factory finish was olive streaks over turquois or CDL? In the Fokker Triplane Datafile, Rimmel states, "All fabric surfaces thus treated were first sealed with at least two coats of clear dope prior to application of the camouflage color." However, I have read other sources (can't recall which) which claimed that the undercoat was turquois. >> C&C GB v3 #3 from 1972 has an article about Dr I 588/17, captured by the British and given number G/2Bde/15. To quote the appropriate segment of the RAF report "It is camouflaged in a green and blue mixture on the upper surfaces, the lower surfaces of the planes being light blue". The article then goes on to explain that this means there was an overall turquois finish with the well known streaking applied over this. I'd always heard about the early "F" tripes being blue underneath the streaking, but this is the first hard evidence I've read about production models- it's always been stated to be CDL. Robert K. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 12:34:21 EDT From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Colors Message-ID: <5ef4664e.35d9ad12@aol.com> In a message dated 98-08-18 10:38:11 EDT, you write: << Would color shades used in personal markings necessarily match colors used = in national insignias, or would units use colors that were "on hand"? I = really don't want to go through the trouble of matching the red unless I = have to.=20 Paul A. Schwartzkopf >> A question I've wondered about, and to which there may be no answer- what about the paint itself that was used at the squadron level? Was an allotment of certain paints part of a squadron's regular supplies? If so, were odd marking colors bought locally from civilian sources? The only things I've ever read about where a unit got it's paint are two stories from WW II: an explanation by a ground crewman who was responsible for painting red noses on his squadron's P-51. He went into the local village and bought some thin, watery low quality stuff that took several coats to cover and didn't last long once applied, and a case in the Pacific of one of the nose-girl artists who got ahold of some thick red laquer that he applied with a knife because he had no thinner and didn't want to screw up his brushes. Robert K. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 11:02:01 -0700 From: Bob Pearson To: WW1 Mailing list Subject: Sopwith Triplane cockpit Message-ID: <18020178054896@KAIEN.COM> Greetings all, I have just received my latest batch of photos from Stuart Leslie and one of them is a pilot's eye view from the cockpit of the Sopwith Triplane. Details of the instruments, crash pad, Vickers gun, Rotherham pump and wing braces are visible. If anyone wants a scan please contact me offlist (BTW I have his permission to share his photos). Regards, Bob Pearson ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 13:58:56 EDT From: TPTPUMPER@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Dr.I: Streaked Olive Over Turquoise or CDL? Message-ID: Hi Kids! I have read or heard somewhere that Dr.Is were streaked over CDL if a light line could be seen along the bottom longeron, and streaked over light blue or turquoise if not. In such a short run (320), along with the wing difficulties, I'm sure there was plenty of room for variation. Think of early airframes with replacement top wings, for example. Were they the same finish? Was the wing one way and the rest of the airframe different? I don't know, but it could make for an interesting model. Have Fun!! IRA ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 04:09:34 -0700 From: Shane & Lorna Jenkins To: wwi Subject: Re: And congrats to . . . . . Message-ID: <35DAB26E.7CA9@tac.com.au> Mike Fauchon wrote: > Bob, > > > Our own Mick Fauchon who took 2nd and 3rd place for the figures he did in > > the recent WW1 Aero Historians Model day somewhere in Australia. > > > OK, who blabbed? Aha!! I know.....it was *Dr.* Marshall! > Sydney was the place, a mere 2 hours drive from home. > > I hear they > > were something special. > > [Blushes becomingly] While modesty forbids me to boast, I'll have > to admit that they were pretty special to me too. Just one of those > things where you get enthused by the subject, and everything goes right > [unlike the Great Sabre Disaster 80( ] > > > Do tell us about it Mick .. . .. . > > Ok, if you insist 80) > Two figures, both plastic, both 54 mm. [both WW1]: Australian > Lewis-gunner as a single figure standing in a section of captured trench; > mounted Light-horseman in waterproof cape and steel helmet [Western Front]. > Both amounted to almost scratch-building with various bits of Airfix > Multipose figures, and Airfix horses. > All flesh-tones in artists' oils, clothing in Humbrol matt, horse > and all leather equipment in acrylics. > > Any questions? 80) > > And thanks for the congrats. > > Cheers, > Mick. Hi all, Seeing as I was there on Saturday(had to return some Datafiles Lorna had borrowed seeing as she was not feeling well, but is better now & I had to pick up some more!!!), I can vouch for Mike's work, they were pretty damm good. Although I must confess I was more interested in the Revell 1/350 SMS Emdem, Airfix 1/600 HMS Iron Duke & an amazing scratchbuilt HMS Furious. Mike's figures were excellant. All in all a good day, first prize in large aircraft went to a scratchbuilt 1/48? Farman. Also a ex-list member Peter Mitchell(a good friend of ours) took 1st place in small aircraft with a 1/72 Fokker Dr.1. I'll leave it to Mike to rave about the WW1 planes, seeing as I know little about them. The SMS Emden model was a pretty good model. Although both the Iron Duke & the furious suffered IMHO from thickly applied paint, they were also both fair. So congrats again to you Mike & you never know in the next comp I've may have joined up to give you some more competition from another ship builder. :-) I had a good time at the Society & managed to pick up a few kits & some magazines for myself. Shane (who's 1 1/2 hours from Sydney) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 11:39:00 -0700 From: Bob Pearson To: WW1 Mailing list Subject: Re: And congrats to . . . . . Message-ID: <18390070054978@KAIEN.COM> Hey ! !!!!!! *Dr* Mitchell never mentioned that he won as well .. . . But as we are doing the congrats thing, I'll mention that his thesis has been accepted and he may now graduate :-) Bob ---------- > From: Shane & Lorna Jenkins > Also a ex-list member Peter Mitchell(a good friend of ours) took > 1st place in small aircraft with a 1/72 Fokker Dr.1. I'll leave it to > Mike to rave about the WW1 planes, seeing as I know little about them. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 13:48:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Patrick Padovan To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: house vs models wasRe: What's really on everyone's work bench? Message-ID: Dear Robert: Gee, thanks for those inspiring words! Now pardon me, while I toddle off and shoot myself. . . Dejected, Patrick ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Patrick Padovan Interlibrary Loan Associate Timberland Regional Library Voice: 360-943-5001 415 Airdustrial Way SW FAX: 360-586-6838 Olympia, WA 98501-5799 e-mail: ppadovan@timberland.lib.wa.us ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Mon, 17 Aug 1998 KarrArt@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 98-08-17 16:11:04 EDT, you write: > > << You experienced home owners out there: please tell me it won't always > be like this? (Feel free to lie, if you have to!) > Best, Patrick > >> > > Of COURSE not! Once the clogged plumbing, broken doorknob, re-roofing etc.is > out of the way, and you get your regular stuff such as mowing, weeding > finished, and fixing the next thing that fell apart, and the wife says > something like "don't you think the couch would better over here, and while > we're at it let's think about rebuilding the patio", theres's always time for > a few exhausted minutes of modeling, performed whilst half awake! > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 14:00:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Patrick Padovan To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Nie 24/27 kits (1/48) Message-ID: Joey: Not to nitpick, but isn't the Tom's vac conversion in 1/32, to fit the old (now) Hobbycraft Nieuport 17 kit? I think I actually have the kit and the conversion somewhere. . . Side note: Squadron Shop new arrivals list includes an Eduard PE set for their N.17 kit. Best wishes, Patrick ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Patrick Padovan e-mail: ppadovan@timberland.lib.wa.us ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Tue, 18 Aug 1998, Joey Valenciano wrote: > Now that the Eduard Nie 17 is out, it would be timely to ask. Are there > conversion parts to turn this into a 24/25/27? > > Yes, there's the Tom's vac, any other kits? > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 15:57:38 -0500 From: "Richard Eaton" To: wwi Subject: Re: house vs models wasRe: What's really on everyone's work bench? Message-ID: <35D9EAC2.7330B236@dsccc.com> Well I might hold off on that Patrick. Having seen Mr. Karr's model's, I daresay that he might have been exaggerating the situation a tad. I sometimes have only minutes to build every other day but it is still fun and I occasionally even finish something. Richard ps. Anyone going to the Austin Scale Mod show here weekend after next? Austin TX that is. Regards, Richard Patrick Padovan wrote: > > Dear Robert: Gee, thanks for those inspiring words! Now pardon me, while I > toddle off and shoot myself. . . > Dejected, Patrick > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Patrick Padovan > Interlibrary Loan Associate > > Timberland Regional Library Voice: 360-943-5001 > 415 Airdustrial Way SW FAX: 360-586-6838 > Olympia, WA 98501-5799 e-mail: ppadovan@timberland.lib.wa.us > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > On Mon, 17 Aug 1998 KarrArt@aol.com wrote: > > > In a message dated 98-08-17 16:11:04 EDT, you write: > > > > << You experienced home owners out there: please tell me it won't always > > be like this? (Feel free to lie, if you have to!) > > Best, Patrick > > >> > > > > Of COURSE not! Once the clogged plumbing, broken doorknob, re-roofing etc.is > > out of the way, and you get your regular stuff such as mowing, weeding > > finished, and fixing the next thing that fell apart, and the wife says > > something like "don't you think the couch would better over here, and while > > we're at it let's think about rebuilding the patio", theres's always time for > > a few exhausted minutes of modeling, performed whilst half awake! > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 17:23:56 EDT From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: house vs models wasRe: What's really on everyone's work bench? Message-ID: <128d387b.35d9f0ed@aol.com> In a message dated 98-08-18 17:04:26 EDT, you write: << Well I might hold off on that Patrick. Having seen Mr. Karr's model's, I daresay that he might have been exaggerating the situation a tad. I sometimes have only minutes to build every other day but it is still fun and I occasionally even finish something. Richard >> Thank 'ee fer the good words. Oh , I suppose a little exageration was involved. Maintaining a house does take time, but just being able to have the freedom to pound a nail in the wall to hang a painting, or do some build-in display shelves is great. After my great Gotha campaign a few years ago, which had left me in a somewhat burned out state, the next project was remodeling the bathroom- quite a change of pace, and when that was done, I was refreshed and ready to attack modelling again. Robert K. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 17:23:55 EDT From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: house vs models wasRe: What's really on everyone's work bench? Message-ID: In a message dated 98-08-18 16:45:45 EDT, you write: << Dear Robert: Gee, thanks for those inspiring words! Now pardon me, while I toddle off and shoot myself. . . Dejected, Patrick >> Then again- at least you do have a decent shot at redlining an area of the house and saying "Mine- I shall build my models here!" Robert K. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 16:55:39 -0500 From: mbittner@juno.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Nie 24/27 kits (1/48) Message-ID: <19980818.165736.-220947.3.mbittner@juno.com> On Tue, 18 Aug 1998 16:56:42 -0400 Patrick Padovan writes: > Side note: Squadron Shop new arrivals list includes an Eduard PE >set >for their N.17 kit. Gee, you think they'll scale it down? Or, come out with a set for the Nie.11? Hmmm... Matt Bittner _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 16:51:40 -0500 From: mbittner@juno.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Ni.11 colours (was Re: What's really on everyone's work Message-ID: <19980818.165735.-220947.1.mbittner@juno.com> On Tue, 18 Aug 1998 11:11:01 -0400 Joey Valenciano writes: >>Don't forget about the most unusual camo'ed machine, that of >Pavelka's of >>the Lafayette Escadrille. Rimell shows it with some brick red on it! > >Where is this plane featured? The back of Windsock Vol 5 No 3. Matt Bittner _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 16:49:57 -0500 From: mbittner@juno.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Nieuport 11 Colors, was What's really on everyone's work bench? Message-ID: <19980818.165735.-220947.0.mbittner@juno.com> On Tue, 18 Aug 1998 10:37:48 -0400 "Richard Eaton" writes: >Thanks for the input Mike and Matt. I plan on doing the French in cdl. >As for Matt's choice ...... do all of them. After all it is a Nieport! Hear, here!!! And well on my way with 3 Nie.11's, and five or more coming through...;-) Matt Bittner _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 18:23:36 EDT From: Allred240Z@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Sopwith Triplane cockpit Message-ID: <9d5d6160.35d9fee9@aol.com> I would like a scan. Bob Allred ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 15:37:30 -0700 From: mgoodwin@ricochet.net To: wwi Subject: Re: Nie 24/27 kits (1/48) Message-ID: <35DA022A.4453@ricochet.net> Sandy Adam wrote: > > Don't know if its still available but Waldo did a round-section resin > fuselage intended for Hawk Nie 17 conversions. What'd they want for it? 20 pounds or so? :-) Riordan ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 19:06:40 EDT From: BStett3770@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Nie 24/27 kits (1/48) Message-ID: <6801a9e9.35da0901@aol.com> Hi Joey Spoke to Tom at TMW last week. He's working on conversions right now. Keep Modeling Barry Rosemont Hobby www.swiftsite.com/rosemonthobby ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 07:01:13 +0800 From: Joey Valenciano To: wwi Subject: Re: Nie 24/27 kits (1/48) Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19980819070113.0077ed20@philonline.com.ph> >Joey: Not to nitpick, but isn't the Tom's vac conversion in 1/32, to fit >the old (now) Hobbycraft Nieuport 17 kit? I was unclear the 1st time. I meant that Tom's has a complete 1/48 Nie 24/27 kit in vac form. One could use the parts to bash w/ the Eduard kit. Uh... Passchendale! Aren't you going to do somethin' 'bout this? ;^) We're still waiting for the Eduard Alb D.3 but their Nie17 is right here, right now.... Make parts for the 24/27 conversion, 1 pair of rounded and pointy ailerons, throw in an exctra cowl for a Nie 25!!! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 07:14:12 +0800 From: Joey Valenciano To: wwi Subject: Re: Sopwith Triplane cockpit Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19980819071412.00da1a14@philonline.com.ph> At 06:26 PM 8/18/98 -0400, you wrote: >I would like a scan. >Bob Allred Uhhhh.... Remember, request off-list. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 07:15:39 +0800 From: Joey Valenciano To: wwi Subject: Re: Nie 24/27 kits (1/48) Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19980819071539.00eacb00@philonline.com.ph> At 07:11 PM 8/18/98 -0400, you wrote: >Hi Joey > >Spoke to Tom at TMW last week. He's working on conversions right now. Way to go! and is a Nie.25 cowl considered as well? Me, still w/o the Edurard kit..... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 16:16:34 -0700 From: mgoodwin@ricochet.net To: wwi Subject: Re: Nieuport 11 Colors: Coppens 11/16 Message-ID: <35DA0B52.17C9@ricochet.net> OK, Bittner, and all the rest of you Nieuphiles, which mark of Nieuport is shown as Coppens' 11 on pg. 14 of the S/S Nieuport Fighters book? Is it really a 16? Also, what are the colors of uppersurfaces? Brown/green with CDL sides? What about the 'paper horse' insignia? Sans gauntlet, Riordan ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 18:36:36 -0500 From: Kenneth Hagerup To: wwi Subject: WWI Books from USNI Message-ID: <35DA1004.7495@prodigy.net> The US Naval Institute has a couple of WWI books on sale: The Price of Honor: World War One Letters of Naval Aviator Kenneth MacLeash. 320 pgs, 38 illus. List $32.95 Sale $24.71 USNI Members $16.47 German Warships of World War I, The Royal Navy's Official Guide. 416 pgs, 98 photos, 142 plans. List $65.00 Sale $48.75 USNI Members $39.00 800-233-8764 410-224-3378 Fax Ken ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 17:21:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Patrick Padovan To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Nie 24/27 kits (1/48) Message-ID: Dear Matt: RE possibilty of 1/72nd PE set for Toko Nieuports: I think its very likely that Eduard will indeed come through here. They have always produced numerous PE sets to compliment kits in both 1/48 and 1/72, without discrimination. Sometimes takes 'em awhile, though. Best wishes, Patrick ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Patrick Padovan Interlibrary Loan Associate Timberland Regional Library Voice: 360-943-5001 415 Airdustrial Way SW FAX: 360-586-6838 Olympia, WA 98501-5799 e-mail: ppadovan@timberland.lib.wa.us ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 17:23:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Patrick Padovan To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Nie 24/27 kits (1/48) Message-ID: Dear "Paschendale" guys: Here, here! I second this motion! (Or, in other words, "What he said!") Regards, Patrick ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Patrick Padovan e-mail: ppadovan@timberland.lib.wa.us ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Tue, 18 Aug 1998, Joey Valenciano wrote: > > >Joey: Not to nitpick, but isn't the Tom's vac conversion in 1/32, to fit > >the old (now) Hobbycraft Nieuport 17 kit? > > I was unclear the 1st time. I meant that Tom's has a complete 1/48 Nie > 24/27 kit in vac form. One could use the parts to bash w/ the Eduard kit. > > Uh... Passchendale! Aren't you going to do somethin' 'bout this? ;^) > We're still waiting for the Eduard Alb D.3 but their Nie17 is right here, > right now.... > > Make parts for the 24/27 conversion, 1 pair of rounded and pointy ailerons, > throw in an exctra cowl for a Nie 25!!! > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 10:47:56 +0000 From: "David R.L. Laws" To: wwi Subject: Re: SHON HOWELL - Rec.models.scale Message-ID: <35DAAD5C.731B@webtime.com.au> In couple of recent posts, Mr Howell's name ( he's in California ) popped up as selling kits and WW 1 Aeros ( along with Gee Chen of Canada ) Gee has been terrific - GREAT DEALS AND SERVICE !! However, I sent a check ( cheque - IMO ) to Mr Howell for the Aeros he was selling and now find that he is not answering my e-mails. Has anyone heard anything they'd like to pass on ( off or on List ) about this fellow ? I'm starting to get a bit concerned REGARDS DAVID ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 08:46:37 +0800 From: Joey Valenciano To: wwi Subject: Re: Nie 24/27 kits (1/48) Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19980819084637.0148fe50@philonline.com.ph> >Dear "Paschendale" guys: Here, here! I second this motion! > (Or, in other words, "What he said!") As Barry de Rosemont Stettler says, Tom's got one in the works. Just wrote Tom awhile ago about any news, and suggesting he throw in a Nie.25 cowl as well. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 21:29:13 -0400 From: "Jay Humphreys" To: "WW1 Modeling List" Subject: dan-san abbot? Message-ID: <001b01bdcb10$c887cc20$94481bd1@sandia.aug.com> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0018_01BDCAEF.3ECF2800 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Please excuse my ignorance, but where can I find the dan-san abbot = article about Christensen's W.29? What is a dan-san abbot? And while I'm embarrassing myself, what color is CDL? Now...quickly = back into a dark corner of the hangar where no one can see me blushing. Jay Humphreys ------=_NextPart_000_0018_01BDCAEF.3ECF2800 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Please excuse my ignorance, but = where can I find=20 the dan-san abbot article about Christensen's W.29?  What is a = dan-san=20 abbot?
 
And while I'm embarrassing myself, = what color is=20 CDL?  Now...quickly back into a dark corner of the hangar where no = one can=20 see me blushing.
 
Jay = Humphreys
------=_NextPart_000_0018_01BDCAEF.3ECF2800-- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 11:39:17 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: wwi Subject: RE: Colors Message-ID: <199808190156.LAA19593@mimmon.mim.com.au> Joey, > >>Would color shades used in personal markings necessarily match > colors used = > >>in national insignias, > >I very much doubt it. Nat'l insignia painted in factory, unit insig in the >field. >>or would units use colors that were "on hand"? >Yes! >And should it get really interesting when insignia are redone in the field? >Comments anyone? Mmm. "Quartermaster !!!!!! Tell me what we have in stock" Don't you think that the standard list of paints on hand in a field squadron would include the usual range of standard camo colours *and* insignia colours, given that both plain fabric and cockades would be in the firing line and in need of field repair? My guess is that personal markings would be *most* likely to use whatever paint was at hand, but that that would be standard insignia colours !! *Except* I wouldn't bet on them actually matching perfectly, given the vagaries of weathering, wartime exigency and quality control Shane ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 20:47:37 -0500 From: "Dr. Phillip Anz-Meador" To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: dan-san abbot? Message-ID: <01BDCAE9.6FE7E0E0.panz-meador@vsti.com> jay: the dan-san abbot article is in an older edition of "over the front" quarterly. i got this dude last month from squadron mail order specifically because of the "german navel camo" blurb in their monthly sale flyer. let's see... according to their august propaganda, it's the vol. 9 no. 2 (summer 1994) issue, item no. 8-OV0902, $9.98US. the same issue has a very nice series of articles on those curtiss/felixstowe flying boat thingees, with 2 startling examples on the rear cover. front cover is a painting of a w.29 in a german harbor. the article includes 2 black-and-white multi-view drawings of christensen's machine, with recommended colors. squadron lists about 20-30 old issues of OTF in total. CDL=clear doped linen. HTH, phillip -----Original Message----- From: Jay Humphreys [SMTP:surfsup@aug.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 1998 8:29 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: dan-san abbot? This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0018_01BDCAEF.3ECF2800 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Please excuse my ignorance, but where can I find the dan-san abbot = article about Christensen's W.29? What is a dan-san abbot? And while I'm embarrassing myself, what color is CDL? Now...quickly = back into a dark corner of the hangar where no one can see me blushing. Jay Humphreys ------=_NextPart_000_0018_01BDCAEF.3ECF2800 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Please excuse my ignorance, but = where can I find=20 the dan-san abbot article about Christensen's W.29?  What is a = dan-san=20 abbot?
 
And while I'm embarrassing myself, = what color is=20 CDL?  Now...quickly back into a dark corner of the hangar where no = one can=20 see me blushing.
 
Jay = Humphreys
------=_NextPart_000_0018_01BDCAEF.3ECF2800-- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 18:32:28 -0700 From: Mike Fletcher To: wwi Subject: Re: Dr.I: Streaked Olive Over Turquoise or CDL? Message-ID: <35DA2B2C.25A29611@mars.ark.com> I built the all white Tripe instead...still haven't seen any evidence that it ever existed (I'd would appreciate it if anyone knew that it was a real machine and who's it was) Mike Fletcher. Don RInker wrote: > > Mike Dicianna wrote: > > > > > > >This is where I ran into trouble by using the Squadron/Signal In Action Series > > books. On the back cover of the DR.1 In Action booklet (You will find this > > in between Moby Dick and A Tale of Two Cities in the fiction section of your > > local library) there is a picture of MvR's tripe with green streaking over > > a overall LIGHT BLUE base coat. Not being a member of the WWI List when I > > built this plane, I took this picture as being correct..... > > > > All the other references I have gathered show this as Green streaks over CDL > > for the wings/forward fuselage. Live and learn! > > > > Mike > > Well, Mike, I think today might be your day to live and learn... :-) > > Your previous statement noted above, and opinion of Squadron Signal > publications notwithstanding ( Which I happen to aggree with in selected > cases), might need a little revision. I guess you were trying to be > funny... > > The first two Dr-1's used on ops. MVR's F1-102/17 and Voss' F1-103/17 > were in all likelyhood painted just as the squadron signal illustration > shows. Ray Rimmel and most other historians now seem to agree that Voss' > and possibly MVR's preproduction prototypes were indeed painted just as > the Squadron painting shows. A stron argument for this is that no > demarcation line of light blue is evidenced either at the wing leading > edge centerline, or along the fuselage lower longeron or the horizontal > stabilizer perimeter. > In all subsequent planes there is an obvious line that "wraps" up along > these lines. Quite obvious in most clear photos. > Of course this could mean only that the painting procedure changed, but > the olive over blue does account for the whiter than normal appearance > of the light areas of these two craft and the description of Voss' mount > as Silvery Blue. > > Like anything is this is all open to conjecture...... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 19:05:04 -0700 From: Bob Pearson To: WW1 Mailing list Subject: Re: Dr.I: Streaked Olive Over Turquoise or CDL? Message-ID: <02050470556169@KAIEN.COM> This was Dr.I 545/17 flown by Ltn Hans Weiss (Weiss=white). However the white wasn't overall and was only applied to the rear fuselage and tail. Regards, Bob Pearson ---------- > From: Mike Fletcher > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Re: Dr.I: Streaked Olive Over Turquoise or CDL? > Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 21:48:16 -0400 > > I built the all white Tripe instead...still haven't seen any evidence > that it ever existed (I'd would appreciate it if anyone knew that it was > a real machine and who's it was) > > Mike Fletcher. ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 1170 **********************