WWI Digest 1156 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Elusive?, Rare?, Original? by Ernest Thomas 2) Re: I'm feeling much better now... by Ernest Thomas 3) FW: ADMIN: WWI/WWW by Bob Pearson 4) Re: ALUMINIUM / ALUMINUM POWDER COAT by bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) 5) Re: Elusive?, Rare?, Original? by bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) 6) Re: FW: ADMIN: WWI/WWW by Mick Fauchon 7) Re: Fw: 25 Sqn RFC by "Sandy Adam" 8) Morane Saulnier N WAS Re: Morane Saulnier I by Graham Nash 9) Re: Elusive?, Rare?, Original? by Don Rinker 10) Re: Elusive?, Rare?, Original? by "David R.L. Laws" 11) Re: RE: Fw: 25 Sqn RFC by GRBroman@aol.com 12) A Victory for the Bittnerites by GRBroman@aol.com 13) Re: A Victory for the Bittnerites by "Paul Schwartzkopf" 14) RE: Help by "Pablo Silva R." 15) Rarish Book Found on Internet by Graham Nash 16) AJP on the web. by "Sandy Adam" 17) Re: Elusive?, Rare?, Original? by martinsc@pipemedia.co.uk (Martin Soilleux-Cardwell) 18) Re: Elusive?, Rare?, Original? by Don RInker 19) Re: Elusive?, Rare?, Original? by Dave Watts 20) Brisfit markings info by Shane Weier 21) RE: Brisfit markings info by "Dr. Phillip Anz-Meador" 22) RE: Brisfit markings info - M-E Dazzle by Shane Weier 23) Old Rhinebeck by Chris Cato 24) Re: Elusive?, Rare?, Original? by Joey Valenciano 25) Re: Brisfit markings info by martinsc@pipemedia.co.uk (Martin Soilleux-Cardwell) 26) Re: Elusive?, Rare?, Original? by martinsc@pipemedia.co.uk (Martin Soilleux-Cardwell) 27) Re: A Victory for the Bittnerites by mbittner@juno.com 28) FS:Meikraft Kits by tbittners@sprintmail.com (Matthew Bittner) 29) Aviation What-Not by REwing@aol.com 30) Searching the databases - AWM by Shane Weier 31) RE: Aviation What-Not by "Chris Banyai-Riepl" 32) OOPs - Searching the databases - AWM by Shane Weier 33) Re: Searching the databases - AWM by "Steven M. Perry" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 01:31:24 -0500 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi Subject: Re: Elusive?, Rare?, Original? Message-ID: <35CE93BC.23A9@bellsouth.net> David R.L. Laws wrote: (snip) I suppose the Law in > the USA does cover deceptive and misleading conduct or deciet (snip again) For everyone except elected officials./%} E. diving for the friendly side of the lines... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 01:36:52 -0500 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi Subject: Re: I'm feeling much better now... Message-ID: <35CE9504.6153@bellsouth.net> Bill Bacon wrote: > > Why not 4 Spits flying close escort for a Lanc? > > because it's 1998 and you don't see it too often./%{ > > E > > Not bad but I did see a Lanc Escorted by a Mossie, a Spit XI and a > Hurricane. The Spit and the Hurricane are now gone but it was great > while it lasted. And just to bring this back on topic, I used to have a picture of,(iirc) a Camel, a Spit, and the Concord looking like they were flying in formation over Dover. E. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Aug 1998 23:45:25 -0700 From: Bob Pearson To: WW1 Mailing list Subject: FW: ADMIN: WWI/WWW Message-ID: <06452556834104@KAIEN.COM> Haven't looked at it yet, but it may be interesting . . . Bob ---------- From: cd078 To: WWI Subject: ADMIN: WWI/WWW Date: Sun, 9 Aug 1998 18:49:27 -0700 (MST) Dear All - As part of the ongoing effort to offer interesting articles dealing with the Great War, please be aware that Dr. Geoffrey Miller's work on 'The Death of Richtofen' is now available in the Commentary section of WWI/WWW, http://www.lib.byu.edu/~rdh/wwi Jane Plotke cd078@xroads.com WWI/WWW WWI-L co-owner ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Aug 1998 23:54:38 -0700 (PDT) From: bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) To: wwi Subject: Re: ALUMINIUM / ALUMINUM POWDER COAT Message-ID: <199808100654.XAA27998@ednet1.orednet.org> David writes: >Hi All, > >Anyone got a preferred paint to represent ali powder coating ? Two parts Testors dark gull grey and one part Testors aluminum. Works for me - your mileage may vary. Cheers and all, -- Bill Shatzer - bshatzer@orednet.org ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 00:28:18 -0700 (PDT) From: bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) To: wwi Subject: Re: Elusive?, Rare?, Original? Message-ID: <199808100728.AAA02464@ednet1.orednet.org> David writes: >These guys have got to be kidding ! > >The Baron came down over a sector controlled by Australian troops - I >believe it's common ground that the wreck was stripped of certain >material and then kept safe thereafter until destroyed later Which would not preclude genuine MvR 425/17 artifacts ending up in locations other than Australia - certainly both the Imperial War Museum and the Canadian National Museum have 425/17 artifacts whose "provenance" is fairly well attested. And, there are beaucoup geniune WW1 artifacts extant in the United States despite the fact that each and every one of these must have been collected in Europe. I'm not particularly vouching for the authenticity of these alleged MvR 425/17 fabric samples - just pointing out that it is probably an error to dismiss them out of hand just because the "samples" exist in the USA and 425/17 came down in an Australian sector. With that said, it does require something more than just a red (or reddish) color to the fabric to ascribe any particular fabric sample to 425/17 - or any other MvR a/c, for that matter. Absent some very strong documentation on the actual origins of a particular fabric sample, I would think ascribing it to MvR's a/c would be stretching things a bit. Without sound documentation, I certainly wouldn't be inclined to pay $8,000 for a hunk of red-colored fabric. (I wouldn't be so inclined even _with_ the documentation but that is a different story.) Cheers and all, -- Bill Shatzer - bshatzer@orednet.org ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 17:40:54 +1000 (EST) From: Mick Fauchon To: wwi Cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: FW: ADMIN: WWI/WWW Message-ID: > As part of the ongoing effort to offer interesting articles dealing with the > Great War, please be aware that Dr. Geoffrey Miller's work on 'The Death of > Richtofen' is now available in the Commentary section of WWI/WWW, > http://www.lib.byu.edu/~rdh/wwi > Oh, hell! That'll set the cat amongst the pigeons! 80( Mick. -- -- Mick Fauchon | Internet: ulmjf@dewey.newcastle.edu.au Reference Section, Auchmuty Library | Ph (intl+61+49) 215861 University of Newcastle, AUSTRALIA | Fax (intl+61+49) 215833 MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM M M M Tasmanian Devil: "#@%!&^*%%...!#@!&**%^@@#$#-+*+*&##@...!!" M M M M Yosemite Sam : "Cut out that Army talk!..Yer in the Navy now!" M M M MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 10:00:43 -0700 From: "Sandy Adam" To: Subject: Re: Fw: 25 Sqn RFC Message-ID: <199808100900.KAA23149@beryl.sol.co.uk> ............... thanks to Sandy Adam I > now know 25 was operating from Ruisseauville. Sorry I'm wrapped up in work catching up after holiday - but I recommend the RAF Squadrons book if you get sight of it - it gives full movement listings for every RAF Sqdn from inception (1912) to 1987. It records types flown and maps of locations. Map 11 shows Ruisseauville on a line directly between Hesdin and St Omer, about a qurter of the way from Hesdin. Adjacent are Tramecourt, Maisoncelle, Planques and Wamin. Also used by 27 Sqdn (DH-4s) 29/3-3/6 and then again 21/6-15/7, 32 Sqnd (SE-5a) 21/6-18/7 and 98 Sqdn (DH-9) 6/6-21/6/18. > Can anyone take a stab at the identity of the Jasta or even the pilot who > went down? I haven't got my copies to hand - but I trust you have checked Above the Lines/Trenches/WarFronts etc? - If not let me know and I, or somebody else, can do so. I recommend you Martin Gilbert's "The First World War". I have only reached 1915 so far but it is the clearest history I have read as yet, which sets contemporary events on every theatre incontext and allows as good an overall grasp as I have seen. It also draws together vast numbers of disparate facts which I had known from varioius sources but makes sense of them together. For purely 1918, I recommend John Toland's "No Man's Land - The Story of 1918". HTH Sandy ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 10:41:46 +0100 From: Graham Nash To: wwi Subject: Morane Saulnier N WAS Re: Morane Saulnier I Message-ID: <199808100942.FAA22009@egate2.citicorp.com> Well, I have a late issue Revell M-S N from which I will only be using the RFC markings, so if anyone wants the alternate (French?) set drop me an e-mail with your snail mail address. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 06:40:15 -0400 From: Don Rinker To: wwi Subject: Re: Elusive?, Rare?, Original? Message-ID: <35CECE0F.C1C427E4@fast.net> Stay tune for the USA remake of a fine British Film.... THE FULL MONICA !!!!! Ernest Thomas wrote: > > David R.L. Laws wrote: > (snip) > I suppose the Law in > > the USA does cover deceptive and misleading conduct or deciet > (snip again) > > For everyone except elected officials./%} > E. > diving for the friendly side of the lines... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 21:34:17 +0000 From: "David R.L. Laws" To: wwi Subject: Re: Elusive?, Rare?, Original? Message-ID: <35CF6759.2A38@webtime.com.au> Bill Shatzer wrote: PRELIMINARY, BILL WE'RE ON THE SAME TRAIN GOING IN THE SAME DIRECTION > > David writes: > > >These guys have got to be kidding ! > > > >The Baron came down over a sector controlled by Australian troops - > >believe it's common ground that the wreck was stripped of certain > >material and then kept safe thereafter until destroyed later > > Which would not preclude genuine MvR 425/17 artifacts ending up > in locations other than Australia - certainly both the Imperial > War Museum and the Canadian National Museum have 425/17 artifacts > whose "provenance" is fairly well attested. And, there are > beaucoup geniune WW1 artifacts extant in the United States despite > the fact that each and every one of these must have been collected > in Europe. CERTAINLY AND TRUE > > I'm not particularly vouching for the authenticity of these alleged > MvR 425/17 fabric samples - just pointing out that it is probably an > error to dismiss them out of hand just because the "samples" exist in > the USA and 425/17 came down in an Australian sector. TRUE AGAIN, AND IN FAIRNESS IT MIGHT ALSO BE SAID THAT THE FABLED DIGGER HAS ALWAYS BEEN AN AVID " COLLECTOR " WHEN AWAY FROM HOME, ALWAYS WILLING TO TRADE AND EVEN PROLIFIC FORGERS WHEN THE REAL MacCOY WASN'T AVAILABLE - WITNESS THE PROFUSION OF WW 2 "JEEP SPRING" SAMURIAI SWORDS GRACING THE WALLS OF MORE THAN ONE HOME !!! > > With that said, it does require something more than just a red > (or reddish) color to the fabric to ascribe any particular fabric > sample to 425/17 - or any other MvR a/c, for that matter. Absent > some very strong documentation on the actual origins of a particular > fabric sample, I would think ascribing it to MvR's a/c would be > stretching things a bit. Without sound documentation, I certainly > wouldn't be inclined to pay $8,000 for a hunk of red-colored fabric. > > (I wouldn't be so inclined even _with_ the documentation but that is > a different story.) AGREED AND MY VERY POINT - We'd all have a fair idea of this stuff anyway - It's the poor suckers out there for whom I feel sorry - With the utmost and sincerest respect to Bill, I should have asked Mike Muth the purely legal point off-line which was the real matter of curiosity to me SORRY ! DAVID ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 10:09:09 EDT From: GRBroman@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: RE: Fw: 25 Sqn RFC Message-ID: <863cefad.35ceff06@aol.com> In a message dated 8/9/98, 4:13:59 PM, wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu writes: << But then I posed the same question to the WWI-L mailer and got no response at all...seriously, this research is possibly the start of something big and if anyone can fill in the broad details of what major ground offensives were going on between March and September 1918 on the British front, I'll be pleased to read them. Or better still, if there is a good book, not too weighty that covers the last year of the ground war, I'll be grateful for author and title.>> Find John Tolands book, "No mans Land." It covers 1918 in good detail, or any general history of the First World War in your local library.HTH, Glen ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 11:17:57 EDT From: GRBroman@aol.com To: wwi Subject: A Victory for the Bittnerites Message-ID: I attended the Nothern Illinois Modelers Open yesterday. It was a good show and lots of fun. Not a whole lot of WWI content but I did get to take a look a the Aeroclub F2B (Very nice), the Hawkeye Designs DR I ( even better, but unfortunately not my favorite aircraft) and a few slightly off topic Post war bipes. The entry content for WW I was meagre, but a blow for the Bittner scale fans was struck when the best armor out of the box was won by my 1/72 scale Emhar Mark IV. The captured Mark IV female also took a third in her category. Of course, I attribute my success solely to the fact that Steve Hustad did not show up with any of his entries this time:). Glen ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 10:28:40 -0500 From: "Paul Schwartzkopf" To: wwi Subject: Re: A Victory for the Bittnerites Message-ID: Glen, congratulations on the awards. =20 Paul A. Schwartzkopf ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 11:36:28 -0400 From: "Pablo Silva R." To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Help Message-ID: <01BDC453.1E033BE0.pasilva@chilesat.net> Cameron: Send a message to listproc@pease1.sr.unh.edu with the phrase "unsubscribe wwi" in the message body. That's all. Saludos, Pablo. -----Mensaje original----- De: Cameron Lynch [SMTP:clynch@denver.net] Enviado el: Lunes 10 de Agosto de 1998 01:44 AM Para: Multiple recipients of list Asunto: RE: Help >Cameron: > Send your unsubscribe command to listproc@pease1.sr.unh.edu. No subject >required, only the word "unsubscribe" (no quotes) in the message body. Make >sure the message is formatted as plain text. The list processor apparently >has trouble reading rich text format. > > HTH > > - Mr. G. Ok, I tried it and I still can't get unsubscribed. Any ideas? I'm really starting to get annoyed. I've sent five separate unsubscribe attemts in the last three days without success. Thanks for the kind assistance. Cameron "The right to be heard does not automatically include the right to be taken seriously." - Hubert Humphrey 1911-1978 __________________________________________________________________________ Copyright (C) 1998. Cameron Lynch. All rights reserved. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 16:57:21 +0100 From: Graham Nash To: World War 1 Modelling List Subject: Rarish Book Found on Internet Message-ID: <199808101557.LAA06214@egate2.citicorp.com> Imrie,Alex GERMAN NAVAL AIR SERVICE (P/B) 1989. PB GBP 7.00 Warsash Nautical Bookshop , 6 Dibles Road Warsash , Southampton , United Kingdom , SO31 9HZ Phone +44 (0) 1489 572384 / Fax +44 (0) 1489 885756 , Email alan@nauticalbooks.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 18:43:44 -0700 From: "Sandy Adam" To: "AAA - WW1 Group" Subject: AJP on the web. Message-ID: <199808101742.SAA11135@beryl.sol.co.uk> I mentioned this one to a list member earlier. If you're interested AJP has e-mail access provided by the French regional website under craftsmen - jewellers and watchmakers. Try: www.cr-poitou-charentes.fr/artisanat/eng/bijou/primault/primault.htm for some pictures or to send Jacques Primault mail. Mind you it had probably better be en francais. Sandy ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 19:52:44 +0100 From: martinsc@pipemedia.co.uk (Martin Soilleux-Cardwell) To: wwi Subject: Re: Elusive?, Rare?, Original? Message-ID: <19980810195244.d076c403305b11d2b57f004f4b00cee4.in@mailrelay.pipemedia.net> >I saw this posting, while flying recon over the web front. > >I'm going to call on this one tomorrow, just for fun. Has anyone heard of >these particular Red Baron fabric pieces?! (You know, there's more of this >Red Baron fabric out there, than I thought!) > Do keep us informed! It's a bit like Jesus' Cross, which if you gather up all the relics was apparently 50 feet high. I think the facts are wrong and MvR was flying an all-red Zeppelin when he was shot down... Martin ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 15:14:58 -0400 From: Don RInker To: wwi Subject: Re: Elusive?, Rare?, Original? Message-ID: <35CF46B2.3FB2@fast.net> Martin Soilleux-Cardwell wrote: > I think the facts are wrong and MvR was flying an all-red Zeppelin when he > was shot down... > > Martin ROTFL !!!! Yes, It was named the GRAF PATHETIC WRETCH ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 15:27:22 -0500 From: Dave Watts To: wwi Subject: Re: Elusive?, Rare?, Original? Message-ID: <199808102028.PAA13264@sam.on-net.net> I just called the phone number and talked to a very elderly woman, (Mary Lee), and she was so out of it, that she would answer questions like, "I'm calling about the airplane fabric.", with, "My name is Mary Lee." It's not her fault, she's really old. I did get out of her, that her son Randy is not there now. I will follow up on this, and try to contact Randy. I would imagine her father, uncle, or husband was the one that acquired the sample. Can anyone identify which cross samples are known to exist? The pool would include 4 wing markings, 2 fuselage, and 2 rudder. I thought the right fuselage cross went at Sotheby's. I thought the left fuselage cross was in Canada or was it Australia? Best Wishes, Dave W. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 07:37:56 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi'" Subject: Brisfit markings info Message-ID: <199808102155.HAA07147@mimmon.mim.com.au> Hello all, For some time (okay, 3 years) I've been casting around for a set of interesting markings to apply to my Biff. It has to be an Aussie aircraft, which cuts things down to 1AFC in the Middle East, and I want to make a plain jane PC.10, grey and CDL machine, not one of the late war white dazzle schemes. Until yesterday they all looked pretty generic, then I received my latest C&CI (V29#2) which has a picture on page 105 captioned Above: "Pilot and observer of a Bristol F.2B of 1 Squadron Australian Flying Corps in the Middle East" :G Muir Cool. Picture shows the starboard side of the aircraft (fitted with dual Lewises) but most intriguingly there's a cartoon of Charlie Chaplin raising his hat and sort of leaning against the white surround of the fuselage roundel. The cartoon is rather more than half the height of the fuselage side and positioned at about the rear of the gun ring. Questions Anyone know anything further about this machine? Serial number, position and style? Anything on the port side? Who/what identifies it as 1AFC? *Any* info at all? Here's hoping for some further info. I'm closing in on the last stages of this damned project and a neat marking would set things off just fine Shane ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 16:50:51 -0500 From: "Dr. Phillip Anz-Meador" To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Brisfit markings info Message-ID: <01BDC47F.096756E0.panz-meador@vsti.com> hi, shane; phillip A-M in houston here. unfortunately i'm not the font of information you're hoping for; however, your message sparked this inquiry. you refer to a "late war white dazzle scheme". what was this? anything more than white overall as portrayed, for example, in the old profile publications biff profile? TIA, phillip -----Original Message----- From: Shane Weier [SMTP:SDW@qld.mim.com.au] Sent: Monday, August 10, 1998 4:43 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Brisfit markings info I want to make a plain jane PC.10, grey and CDL machine, not one of the late war white dazzle schemes. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 08:12:23 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: wwi Subject: RE: Brisfit markings info - M-E Dazzle Message-ID: <199808102228.IAA07314@mimmon.mim.com.au> Phillip >you refer to a "late war white dazzle scheme". what was this? anything >more than white overall as portrayed, for example, in the old profile >publications biff profile? Yes, something more. As the air war in Palestine turned decidedly in favour of the British and their allies, it became less and less necessary to camouflage planes and more necessary to make them identifiable air to air and visible on the ground (for recovery in the event of engine failure). Another issue was protecting the aircraft from extremes of heat and cold. The Australians (and *maybe* the RFC Squadrons but i have no evidence of this) took to partly painting their F.2B's in white in a variety of geometric schemes. One well known example (A' 7194) has wing upper surfaces in white, and the fuselage sides white below a diagonal line from the cockpit to a point on the lower longeron adjacent to the skid. We are pretty confident this is *white* and not some early form of aluminium doping (later done on M-E Biffs) because it's mentioned in some primary sources, and shown is some of the *colour* photographs taken at the time. A'7194 is pictured on the rear cover of the Biff Special from Albatros Pubs., and another (A-7198) may be seen on page 20. There are also line up photos in Chalie Schaedels "Men and machines of the Australian Flying Corps. HTH Shane ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 18:15:22 -0400 From: Chris Cato To: wwi Subject: Old Rhinebeck Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980810181522.0092c3f0@mail.connix.com> I made my first visit to Old Rhinebeck Aerodrome on Saturday for their annual Pioneer day and it was simultaneously one of the most awe inspiring, humbling, and enjoyable experiences in recent memory. I thought I might offer the list a breif summary of what I saw. The air show began with the wedding of Robert Tator who has been involved with Rhinebeck for apparently quite a while. The joke of the day was that he was only 5 years older than the New Standard biplane he and his bride exchanged vows in accompanied by the minister and Associated Press photographer. The show was quite wonderful with the topical Sopwith Camel and Fokker D.VIII replicas flown with 160 hp Gnomes. The sound and smell was astonishing! The impact these made on me coupled with the realization that there are precious few places where the memory of the men who flew and fought in WWI is kept alive will not ever be forgotten. Seeing, hearing, and smelling these aircraft fly around the pattern brought home in a very real way the realities of war in a way no static musuem ever has. Rhinebeck will forever have my support to fly these machines. The day was capped off with a lecture by Leo Opdycke of WWI Aero fame on pioneer aviators and their aircraft and the flight of Rhinebeck's original Bleriot IX, 1910 Hanriot, and Curtis Pusher. Incidently Mr. Opdycke informed us he has a book going to press this week detailing over 700 different aircraft built in France prior to the Great War. The price he said would be "expensive". I have lots of pics and hopefully will get a chance to scan them and make them available to the list at large. Chris Cato tcato@connix.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 06:34:52 +0800 From: Joey Valenciano To: wwi Subject: Re: Elusive?, Rare?, Original? Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19980811063452.0075c4b0@philonline.com.ph> > Can anyone identify which cross samples are known to exist? Ha! for a moment there I thought you were talking about the 2000 year old..... ********************************************************************* Joey Valenciano WW1 modeller, teacher, jazz musician, joeyval@philonline.com. sitarist Metro-Manila, Philippines "The more you know, the more you don't know." ********************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 00:23:36 +0100 From: martinsc@pipemedia.co.uk (Martin Soilleux-Cardwell) To: wwi Subject: Re: Brisfit markings info Message-ID: <19980811002336.d076c866305b11d2b57f004f4b00cee4.in@mailrelay.pipemedia.net> >Here's hoping for some further info. I'm closing in on the last stages >of this damned project and a neat marking would set things off just fine > So would twin Lewis's - very sexy. I just luuurrve twin Lewis's... Martin "So long as hostile aircraft are hovering over one's troops all movements are liable to be seen and reported, and therefore the first step in war will be to get rid of the hostile aircraft. He who does this first or who keeps the last aeroplane afloat will win, other things being approximately equal." - Lt Gen Sir James Grierson, Salisbury Plain manoeuvres, September 1912. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 00:32:34 +0100 From: martinsc@pipemedia.co.uk (Martin Soilleux-Cardwell) To: wwi Subject: Re: Elusive?, Rare?, Original? Message-ID: <19980811003234.d076c878305b11d2b57f004f4b00cee4.in@mailrelay.pipemedia.net> > >> Can anyone identify which cross samples are known to exist? > >Ha! for a moment there I thought you were talking about the 2000 year old..... > Ya! My turn to ROTFL!!! M ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 19:08:20 -0500 From: mbittner@juno.com To: wwi Subject: Re: A Victory for the Bittnerites Message-ID: <19980810.190851.-246063.2.mbittner@juno.com> On Mon, 10 Aug 1998 11:23:12 -0400 GRBroman@aol.com writes: >I attended the Nothern Illinois Modelers Open yesterday. It was a >good show >and lots of fun. Not a whole lot of WWI content but I did get to take >a look >a the Aeroclub F2B (Very nice), the Hawkeye Designs DR I ( even >better, but >unfortunately not my favorite aircraft) and a few slightly off topic >Post war >bipes. The entry content for WW I was meagre, but a blow for the >Bittner >scale fans was struck when the best armor out of the box was won by my >1/72 >scale Emhar Mark IV. The captured Mark IV female also took a third in >her >category. Of course, I attribute my success solely to the fact that >Steve >Hustad did not show up with any of his entries this time:). Glen Bwahahahahaha!!! Yes, it *is* a conspiracy...:-) Matt Bittner _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 01:25:49 GMT From: tbittners@sprintmail.com (Matthew Bittner) To: wwi Subject: FS:Meikraft Kits Message-ID: <35cf9d83.5463957@smtp.a001.sprintmail.com> Thought maybe someone would like to see this... On 10 Aug 1998 19:23:16 GMT, in rec.models.scale maiesm72@aol.com (Maiesm72) wrote: >Just picked up a few more Meikraft kits (one of each): > >Link Trainer $15 >Albatros C.III $15 (no decals) >Beech Staggerwing $20 >Pfalz D.III $20 >Vought F6U-1 Pirate $20 > >Also have updated disposal list of kits, magazines, books, decals for a large >SASE. > >e-mail me for address. > >Tom Young ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 21:49:12 EDT From: REwing@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Aviation What-Not Message-ID: <3cdf3f76.35cfa319@aol.com> I just tried to print an article out from AW-N and I had a problem that I am hoping someone can help me with. I get the left hand margin with the index and it moves everything to the right, cutting of the material I actually want. Has anyone else done this, and how do I get the entire page without the "index margin"? TIA -Rick- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 11:54:29 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi'" Subject: Searching the databases - AWM Message-ID: <199808110210.MAA09097@mimmon.mim.com.au> Hi folks, In a frantic search for more information on the accursed Biff (or rather the one with The Little Tramp on it) I turned to the Australian War memorials online database. It occurs to me that many in the list might not be aware that the AWM has one of the worlds largest collections of militaria, or that they also have a large chunk of their photo archive available and searchable on the net. Turning to the search and asking for aircraft ww1 records with images ...and making no further effort to pare down the list gets 19,115 hits. That's one hell of a lot of photographs to go tramping through. Anyone who's interested should point their browser at http://www.awm.gov.au and follow the path to the searchable index Have fun Shane ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 18:57:16 -0700 From: "Chris Banyai-Riepl" To: Subject: RE: Aviation What-Not Message-ID: <000001bdc4cb$5dde5920$a64ffbce@chrisban> Short answer: You can't. I know about this and I'm trying to work up a solution. It's not easy, though. In the meantime, you should be able to get around this by printing landscape instead of portrait. As soon as I get it all straightened out, I'll let everyone know. Chris > -----Original Message----- > From: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu [mailto:wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu]On Behalf Of > REwing@aol.com > Sent: Monday, August 10, 1998 5:56 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Aviation What-Not > > > > I just tried to print an article out from AW-N and I had a > problem that I > am hoping someone can help me with. I get the left hand margin > with the index > and it moves everything to the right, cutting of the material I > actually want. > Has anyone else done this, and how do I get the entire page > without the "index > margin"? > TIA > -Rick- > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 12:03:01 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi'" Subject: OOPs - Searching the databases - AWM Message-ID: <199808110219.MAA09163@mimmon.mim.com.au> I said: >Turning to the search and asking for > >aircraft >ww1 >records with images > >..and making no further effort to pare down the list gets 19,115 hits. >That's one hell of a lot of photographs to go tramping through. Better still, is to place a + before aircraft, and get just the 1000+ images related to aircraft Shane ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 22:31:41 -0400 From: "Steven M. Perry" To: wwi Subject: Re: Searching the databases - AWM Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19980810223141.006e49ec@pop.mindspring.com> > >It occurs to me that many in the list might not be aware that the AWM >has one of the worlds largest collections of militaria, or that they >also have a large chunk of their photo archive available and searchable >on the net. > Been meaning to check this one out..Yahoo! I'm fixin to squizzy till I'm dizzy. My hat is off to the mates from down under....(How do you keep your hats on down there anyway) DFFL sp ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 1156 **********************