WWI Digest 1152 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: The Problem with the list by aew (Allan Wright) 2) Ode to Allan Wright by "Gerald P. McOsker" 3) dead bugs wasRe: Whew! I was getting lonely by KarrArt@aol.com 4) Re: Weeeeere Back! by KarrArt@aol.com 5) D.H.10 by David & Carol Fletcher 6) Fw: Hot News August 7th 1998 by "Sandy Adam" 7) Bonjour! by "Sandy Adam" 8) Re: Ode to Allan Wright by aew (Allan Wright) 9) Where was Herman? by "Tom Werner Hansen" 10) Bob et Al by Pedro e Francisca Soares 11) Bruce's British Aeroplanes... by Chris Cato 12) RE: Weathering WAS (Whew! I was getting lonely) by Chris Cato 13) Re: The Problem with the list by michel.lefort@ping.be (Michel LEFORT) 14) Re: Let's get the List going again. Was: The little list a.k.a. by mbittner@juno.com 15) Hawkeye Dr.I by mbittner@juno.com 16) Re: D.H.10 by "cameron rile" 17) Rigging by "Paul Schwartzkopf" 18) RE: Weathering WAS (Whew! I was getting lonely) by Shane Weier 19) Re: D.H.10 by David & Carol Fletcher 20) FSM Comments by "Leonard Endy" 21) I'm feeling much better now... by Mike Dicianna 22) Re: The Problem with the list by Bob Pearson 23) Some Interesting Links by "Leonard Endy" 24) Re: Rigging by Mike Fletcher 25) Re: I'm feeling much better now... by Don Rinker 26) Re: I'm feeling much better now... by Mike Dicianna 27) Nieuports wasRe: Rigging by KarrArt@aol.com 28) Re: I'm feeling much better now... by Ernest Thomas 29) RE: Some Interesting Links by "John C Glaser" 30) Re: The Problem with the list by Joey Valenciano 31) Weathering by Joey Valenciano ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 12:19:31 -0400 (EDT) From: aew (Allan Wright) To: wwi Subject: Re: The Problem with the list Message-ID: <199808071619.MAA02159@pease1.sr.unh.edu> > > It seems someone else here in my department thought it would be a good > > idea to 'upgrade' my system's mailer software without informing me. > > Must have been something like Win98, or another "fine" Microsoft product! Don't even joke about it. The list wouldn't survive a single day on an NT box. This server runs on an SGI Indigo workstation running SGI Irix Unix. This is the same workstation that Jurrasic Park's animaitons were created on. The system is my desktop system, serves 2 mailing lists, 9 web 'sites' with thousands of hits per day, plus provides compute services for several of my 'customers' here on campus. All this in a box smaller than a PC. Oh, and for those currious it has a 24bit 21" display and can display GL-quake at over 50 frames per second. -Al =============================================================================== Allan Wright Jr. | You fell victim to one of the 'classic' blunders! University of New Hampshire+--------------------------------------------------- Research Computing Center | WWI Modeling mailing list: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Internet: aew@unh.edu | WWI Modeling WWW Page: http://pease1.sr.unh.edu =============================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 13:03:28 -0400 From: "Gerald P. McOsker" To: wwi Subject: Ode to Allan Wright Message-ID: I t has been so blah- the last day of nothing but spam, Mac tips, -a reassurance from Dr. Bittner that it wasn't me- just the list down- this thing is more than addictive- or better yet- it is great having you lads so much around- so a toast to Dr. Wright who obviosly has us on sort of a life support- Slainte- Gerry Per Favore! Non Mi Rompere Mi Coglioni. Grazie ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 13:18:22 EDT From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi Subject: dead bugs wasRe: Whew! I was getting lonely Message-ID: <7369f0be.35cb36df@aol.com> In a message dated 98-08-07 09:43:07 EDT, you write: << Mike Dicianna wrote: > I figure, mud on wheels, undersides and tailskid area, how about things like > fading fabrics, gunpowder stains, oil stains, battle damage.... >> AND dead bugs on wing leading edges, etc., for that summer time look. Robert K. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 13:18:23 EDT From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Weeeeere Back! Message-ID: <24eef710.35cb36e0@aol.com> In a message dated 98-08-07 09:15:58 EDT, you write: << Hi list, we're back. Sorry for the downtime, I was out of my office working elsewhere on campus yesterday and didn't know the list was down. -Allan >> Whew- I was starting to get the shakes, accompanied by cold sweating! Fortunately, emergency care administered by Dr. Bob P. kept me going long enough till Dr. Allan W. could deliver the cure! Robert K. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 Aug 1998 10:28:32 -0700 From: David & Carol Fletcher To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: D.H.10 Message-ID: <35CB3940.7AB2@mars.ark.com> I tried to send this while the page was spinning into the trenches, so it was MIA - I'll try again: Yes, I know I've proclaimed loudly that I'm a WWII modeller - but I'm also somewhat eclectic (apologies to the non-native English speakers on the page for using obscure words). I have started digging out kits I started years ago and that went into storage when I headed "across the Pond" to Europe in 1990. Among the "finds" was a long-forgotten K & B D.H.10A with a warped fuselage and no transparencies, for which I had paid the princely sum of $1.99. Modern materials being what they are, I have rapidly fixed the fuselage and rebuilt the nacelles to the proper shape; new transparencies present no problem on this machine. What I am lacking is rigging detail and the method of attachment of the inner struts from the nacelles to the top wing. All that I have covers the D.H.10 and I can extrapolate, but I'd rather be sure. Outboard of the nacelles appears to be the same as the 'straight' D.H.10, but what about the centre-section? Likewise, the control runs to the rudder and elevators appear to follow rather devious routes - has anybody got a clear sketch or photo showing how the linkages worked? I still have two more D.H.10A kits - what can I do that's exciting with an aeroplane that had such a mundane (and short) career? I'll end with a "modeller's interest story": In the mid-1970s, I visited a department store in Dartmouth, Novea Scotia and spotted a K & B Gotha; I quickly snatched it up and rushed home to fondle plastic. Close scrutiny revealed that it was missing one complete tree (no engines, wheels, etc, etc). The following week, I was in Halifax, Nova Scotia, and wandered into the local hobby shop. What did I spy but a K & B D.H.10A and, being a glutton for punishment, carried that trophy home as well. On opening the box, I found an extra tree - the missing Gotha parts! Which all goes to prove that if you buy enough kits all problems solve themselves (at least that's what I've tried to convince my wife...) Dave Fletcher mdf@mars.ark.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 18:54:28 -0700 From: "Sandy Adam" To: "AAA - WW1 Group" Subject: Fw: Hot News August 7th 1998 Message-ID: <199808071754.SAA01762@beryl.sol.co.uk> For those it interests, this from Hannants HN list today. S. >=20 > HR MODELS =09 > HR7211 Fokker D.II =A312.95 > HR7217 Morane L- Parasol =A311.95=20 >=20 >=20 > HR MODELS =09 > 1:72 resin=20 > HR7221 Pfaltz AI/AII =A312.95=20 >=20 > RVHP =09 > 1:72 resin,=20 > RVHP7216 Ansaldo SVA 10 =A39.95=20 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 18:51:52 -0700 From: "Sandy Adam" To: "AAA - WW1 Group" Subject: Bonjour! Message-ID: <199808071754.SAA01759@beryl.sol.co.uk> Je reviens! Thought I'd leave myself subscribed whilst away in La belle France - big mistake! 1,017 messages on my return!!! Sorry if I repeat anything in this or any future posting, I couldn't read them all. News from France. JGMT showing nice 48 scale Pfalz E.1 in resin at 245FF - about 25GBP. AJP announced several new 48 scale brass kits - Caproni Ca3!!!, MS-H, Spad A2, (Spirit of St Louis!), etc. Got latest copies of Replic and Wing Masters magazines. Replic (all-colour) has cracking build of the Eduard Nie 17 with good accompanying article by Jean-rene Feugat but the star of this issue is Jacques Primault's article and photos of his 1/48 brass AJP Caudron G-4 - what a fabulous model - I have to have one (God knows when or how long it will take but it's a must) Unfortunately I've only got a B&W scanner (HP590) and don't know how well it would scan but if anyone's interested let me know. WingMasters has good colour article on the Flashback wasp-coloured Fokker-E.V built by Dominique Breffort - think I'll use this colour scheme for a DML D.VIII. I picked up some good books in French on La Grande Guerre, including three compliations from L'Illustration - a contemporary of the London Illustrated (War) News - with lots of good photos and articles on Fonck, Guynemer etc. these books are tabloid-newspaper size and are being remaindered at 80FF (8GBP) each. Good bargains - of course the day I bought mine I'd cycled into La Rochelle, and had to wobble precariously back with three large tomes balanced on the saddlebag! Got some interesting Italian decals (from Tauro) that I haven't seen before - a wood grain that I shall try on dashboards etc and some good red chequers - (for my BM Camel). Good to be back - not! Busy at work now, about to be very busy at Edinburgh Festival (I mentioned the Berlin Phil Beethoven 9 some months back - well now its next week) so if anybody wants me I shall answer, as and when I can. Sandy ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 14:15:04 -0400 (EDT) From: aew (Allan Wright) To: wwi Subject: Re: Ode to Allan Wright Message-ID: <199808071815.OAA02691@pease1.sr.unh.edu> > I t has been so blah- the last day of nothing but spam, Mac tips, -a > reassurance from Dr. Bittner that it wasn't me- just the list down- this > thing is more than addictive- or better yet- it is great having you lads so > much around- so a toast to Dr. Wright who obviosly has us on sort of a life > support- Dr. Wright? Well doctor of listology maybe :-) =============================================================================== Allan Wright Jr. | You fell victim to one of the 'classic' blunders! University of New Hampshire+--------------------------------------------------- Research Computing Center | WWI Modeling mailing list: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Internet: aew@unh.edu | WWI Modeling WWW Page: http://pease1.sr.unh.edu =============================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 20:18:54 +0200 From: "Tom Werner Hansen" To: Subject: Where was Herman? Message-ID: <199808071815.UAA06929@d1o211.telia.com> Guys (and Doll now) (although last I heard Youguys referred to both sexes) I'm in the process of translating autobiographical notes by a Norwegian pilot (and polar explorer) Tryggve Gran who in one of the later editions of his works claims to have shot down Goering in a dogfight with the Richthofen Circus on the 8th or 9th of September 1917. Knut Erik Hagen told me that this is not quite to be trusted, but since it is possible to pinpoint the date and time, (Gran was flying with 70 squadron at the time) maybe this could be partly verified or at least made likely. Gran writes that he compared notes with Goering when they met in Germany when Gran flew Oslo-Berlin-France-Scotland-Oslo to commemorate Gran's 1914 crossing of the North Sea in a Bleriot. They found out that their logbooks matched, and that it both time and place matched, and that was in all likelyhood Gran who had shot Goering down. According to Knut Erik Gran had never claimed to have shot down anything else than twin-engine plane(s). So where are we? Can any of you find out what Fat Herman (before he was fat) was doing on the days in question? While I'm on the subject of Gran: Would there be interest among the list members for selected chapters of his book to be sent in translation to the group? I don't know about copyright problems, the book I'm working on is as new as 1979. The copyright for the translation would be my own. There are also lots of interesting stuff in his 1919 book which exclusively deals with his days in the RFC/RAF where he ended up as major before he left the RAF. As far as I know nothing of his stuff had been translated into English. Tom ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 19:30:20 +0200 From: Pedro e Francisca Soares To: "WW1 Modeling List (E-mail)" Subject: Bob et Al Message-ID: <01BDC239.D3D64000@fei1-p1.telepac.pt> Mountie Bob, Not only you are a damn good "profiler" but you are also a saint. I was going cold turkey 2when you came to our rescue. Thanks. Sir Al Right Boy, Thanks, you're the greatest too, man. Um abraco Pedro ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 Aug 1998 15:29:20 -0400 From: Chris Cato To: wwi Subject: Bruce's British Aeroplanes... Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980807152920.00926530@mail.connix.com> As copies of this book are very much out of my price range right now I have to call on any list members who may have it to relay some info. I've been digging up information on the 6 engine Tarrant Tabor built in 1918 by W.G. Tarrant to bomb Berlin. Huge tripe bomber I've been fascinated with for over a year now and considered trying to model. I have some pics and info from Hadingham's Fighting Triplanes as well as some other sources. Apparently there is some info on the Tabor in Bruce's British Aeroplanes 1914-1918. Could anyone confirm that and inform me as to the kind/amount of content? TIA p.s. I may not be able to respond to email this weekend as I'm (hopefully) headed to Rhinebeck to see the pioneer aircraft fly ;-) Chris Cato tcato@connix.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 Aug 1998 15:14:04 -0400 From: Chris Cato To: wwi Subject: RE: Weathering WAS (Whew! I was getting lonely) Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980807151404.00921cc0@mail.connix.com> These sound like wonderful tips - but to take this in a slightly different direction how do members on the list "weather" tires? Weather isn't the best choice of words but its all I've got at the moment. This past weekend I tried to get realistic tires by dry-brushing Testor's gray followed by light gull gray over black to simulate bleached rubber. The results are definately better than straight black but I'm not too content with this process. still recovering from the list DT's... Chris Cato tcato@connix.com nb: Dako S-XVI & Eduard SSW D.III nr: Imrie's Pictorial History... ( thanks to all for the recomendation! ) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 Aug 1998 18:42:03 GMT From: michel.lefort@ping.be (Michel LEFORT) To: wwi Subject: Re: The Problem with the list Message-ID: <35cb49e6.451638@relay.ping.be> On Fri, 7 Aug 1998 12:20:12 -0400, aew@pease1.sr.unh.edu (Allan Wright) wrote: >Don't even joke about it. The list wouldn't survive a single day on an >NT box. This server runs on an SGI Indigo workstation running SGI Irix >Unix. This is the same workstation that Jurrasic Park's animaitons were >created on. So, you may well understand why I'm planning to migrate to Linus, eer Linux, sorry ;-). I get too much freezing and protection fault with Winblows(whatever year you can figure of). Regards. -- Michel Lefort - Braine-l'Alleud, Belgium IPMS Belgium Treasurer & Foreign Liaison Officer (member F012) MAFVA member #6708 http://www.ping.be/ipms-belgium Plastic Modelling is holding History in your Hand ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 15:46:47 -0500 From: mbittner@juno.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Let's get the List going again. Was: The little list a.k.a. Message-ID: <19980807.154954.-107463.0.mbittner@juno.com> On Thu, 6 Aug 1998 19:43:44 -0700 "Fernando E. Lamas, M.D." writes: > The Squadron catalog arrived in the mail today and it seems the >Toko >kits are back in stock again. I think I looked for them in last >month's >catalog and they were not listed. I have heard so much about them >that I >think I will be lured to the Dark Side and try some 1/72's. However, >if I >go blind and can't read X-rays anymore, my extremely viscious lawyer >is >going to hold Matt Bittner personally liable. ;-) I hear nothing...I see nothing... Bart Simpson put it better, but I can't remember the exact "quote". Matt Bittner _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 15:49:40 -0500 From: mbittner@juno.com To: wwi Subject: Hawkeye Dr.I Message-ID: <19980807.154954.-107463.1.mbittner@juno.com> My *first* example of the Hawkeye Dr.I arrived yesterday from the master himself. Awesome kit. Unfortunately mine came with *no* turtledeck, so I'll have to call Hawkeye and have them send another. It's wonderful; the best resin I have seen yet (yes, even better than TC Berg, although TC Berg had the advantage of splitting their fuselage halves like an injected kit). Steve also has one comment to help us all while building: > My only reservation is that he didn't correct the PE engine plumbing > piece to fit over the back of the casted in engine mount ring (like I > told him to!) - so you'll have to carve off the rear engine mounting > ring and replace it with a smaller diameter section of rod or tube. Matt Bittner _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Aug 1998 06:48:05 -0300 From: "cameron rile" To: wwi Subject: Re: D.H.10 Message-ID: <199808071357425@cameron.prontomail.com> >What did I spy but a K & B D.H.10A and,being a glutton for >punishment, carried that trophy home as well. On opening the box, I >found an extra tree - the missing Gotha parts! ROFLMGO!!!!!!!!!!! cam Visit my homepage at http://www.prontomail.com/Prontomail/users/cameron ______________________________________________________________ Get Your Free E-mail and Homepage at http://www.prontomail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 Aug 1998 16:16:53 -0500 From: "Paul Schwartzkopf" To: wwi Subject: Rigging Message-ID: Okay, so here's something to stir up a thread on. I am curious on the = actual size of rigging cables used on WW1 aircraft. Many photos show = fairly thick cables, but as modelers, we seem to follow "the thinner the = better" approach. What were typical thicknesses of said cables--thoughts, = opinions, views, civil or otherwise. (Since I am leaving work shortly, this will give me something to look = forward to for Monday morning!) Paul A. Schwartzkopf ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Aug 1998 08:22:20 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: wwi Subject: RE: Weathering WAS (Whew! I was getting lonely) Message-ID: <199808072240.IAA23971@mimmon.mim.com.au> Oh what an idiot. Steven says (to this faux pas): > >>Try mixing a touch of Paynes Grey > >>oil colour with Future/Kleer/Shine and dripping it strategically > exactly > >>like the real stuff. Looks pretty convincing IMHO > >Sounds like an excellent technique. Please educate me. I thought acrylic & >oil based finished didn't mix well. Is the Paynes Gray an artist's oil and >do they mix with acrylic? Doh. Put it down to posting at almost midnight. Make oil stains with Paynes grey *watercolour* and future/etc. Shane (who'll proof what he writes next time) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 Aug 1998 15:52:07 -0700 From: David & Carol Fletcher To: wwi Subject: Re: D.H.10 Message-ID: <35CB8517.5736@mars.ark.com> cameron rile wrote: > > >What did I spy but a K & B D.H.10A and,being a glutton for >punishment, carried that trophy home as well. On opening the box, I >found an extra tree - the missing Gotha parts! > > ROFLMGO!!!!!!!!!!! > > cam > Okay, I'll bite. I can probably figure out what the "F" stands for but what about the rest. And you can be as abusive as you like as long as you answer the original question re: rigging patterns... Dave Fletcher mdf@mars,.ark.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 Aug 1998 23:06:59 GMT From: "Leonard Endy" To: wwi Subject: FSM Comments Message-ID: <35cb874b.507216@legend.firstsaga.com> I forwarded a repy from the editor of FSM that I received after e-mail him. It went out around the time the list went down. In a nutshell I put in a plug for an all WWI issue and Mr Hayden's response was two pronged: 1. Not enough available material. (This should be easily remedied.) 2. Not viable from a marketing view point. (This is probably the big reason.) And.....I was trying to quit smoking when the list went out....now I have to start over. :-( Len ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 Aug 1998 16:50:09 +0000 From: Mike Dicianna To: wwi Subject: I'm feeling much better now... Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19980807165009.00660674@proaxis.com> Some great ideas on making a WWI plane look as though it is in service. I do agree with the concept of keeping them rather pristine looking and only weathering the tyres. In fact, I was daydreaming at work today of a display shelf for my 1/48th scale kits set up like a "museum" Scale railings/stantions to keep the 1/48th scale viewers from "touching" the displays, having planes set up on blocks under the wheels to keep them from going "flat", maybe a small display placard showing the name of each aircraft.... painting the shelf like a linoleum floor (or wood) with pathways between the displays.... My brain has begun working again, now that the list has.... Mikedc ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 16:57:24 -0700 From: Bob Pearson To: WW1 Mailing list Subject: Re: The Problem with the list Message-ID: <23572488330374@KAIEN.COM> > > Anyone else feel a distinct vacuum in their day while the list > > was down. Thanks Alan (and Bob) > > Always glad to give everyone their 'fix'. > > You guys must have really been 'jones-ing' bad if you needed to create a > temporary list after only 1 day of downtime! > > -Allan Actually it was down for close to 56 hours . . . . :-( Bob ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 08 Aug 1998 00:31:05 GMT From: "Leonard Endy" To: wwi Subject: Some Interesting Links Message-ID: <35cb9b6c.5661162@legend.firstsaga.com> I found the following two links and thought they might be of interest to the list: http://members.xoom.com/icky0/pics.html Some WWI era pictures from the National Archives. http://www.nara.gov/nara/nail.html Leads to the National Archive and Records Administration Archival Information Locator. Although NAIL contains more than 349,952 descriptions and 69,000 digital copies, it represents only a limited portion of NARA's vast holdings. Enjoy, Len ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 Aug 1998 18:16:25 -0700 From: Mike Fletcher To: wwi Subject: Re: Rigging Message-ID: <35CBA6E9.FAB1157@mars.ark.com> I can answer that one exactly -- check out the rigging diagrams/rigging instructions on mars.ark.com/~mdf/nieuport.html (just recently added) I have diagrams for Nie.17bis and 12 for the British technique and some supplementary info for French aircraft (waiting to be scanned). Sizes and tensions are specified for the French aircraft but they were a little less detailed in the drawings (probably assumed that their mechanics would be able to figure out what went where). The wires may seem think because they (RFC/RNAS) were aerofoil shaped - which is no longer done because of damage considerations (ie a small nick can cause them to break). The French aircraft don't seem to be (not entirely sure there though) Mike Fletcher ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 Aug 1998 21:28:11 -0400 From: Don Rinker To: wwi Subject: Re: I'm feeling much better now... Message-ID: <35CBA9AB.97165296@fast.net> Mike Dicianna wrote: > > Some great ideas on making a WWI plane look as though it is in service. I do > agree with the concept of keeping them rather pristine looking > shelf for my 1/48th scale kits set up like a "museum" > like a linoleum floor > Mikedc I guess this just goes to show different strokes for different folks. Personally, I always like to weather Warbirds of any era, WW1 or WW2. Planes hardly ever looked pristine, except the day they rolled out of the factory. My only exception to this rule is Golden Age racers ( i.e. Gee-Bee or similar) which always looked new and shiney like race cars. While the museum is an interesing idea, I can find nothing more depressing than seeing planes relegated permanently to a museum. Visions of a morgue. Planes are all about noise, and sound and smells, and of course dirt. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 Aug 1998 19:03:12 +0000 From: Mike Dicianna To: wwi Subject: Re: I'm feeling much better now... Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19980807190312.00679e3c@proaxis.com> At 09:32 PM 8/7/98 -0400, you wrote: >Mike Dicianna wrote: >> >> Some great ideas on making a WWI plane look as though it is in service. I do >> agree with the concept of keeping them rather pristine looking >> shelf for my 1/48th scale kits set up like a "museum" >> like a linoleum floor >> Mikedc > >I guess this just goes to show different strokes for different folks. > Personally, I always like to weather Warbirds of any era, WW1 or WW2. >Planes hardly ever looked pristine, except the day they rolled out of >the factory. My only exception to this rule is Golden Age racers ( i.e. >Gee-Bee or similar) which always looked new and shiney like race cars. >While the museum is an interesing idea, I can find nothing more >depressing than seeing planes relegated permanently to a museum. >Visions of a morgue. >Planes are all about noise, and sound and smells, and of course dirt. > >Point well taken...I do agree with the above also. Mikedc "you have a point there...but wear a hat and no one will notice" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 23:24:25 EDT From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Nieuports wasRe: Rigging Message-ID: <49bcfc5e.35cbc4ea@aol.com> In a message dated 98-08-07 21:21:45 EDT, you write: << I can answer that one exactly -- check out the rigging diagrams/rigging instructions on mars.ark.com/~mdf/nieuport.html (just recently added) >> Lately my computer time has pretty much been confined to a quick on-the-run e- mail check, without a lot of time for just lookin' at stuff. I finally got around to your Nieuport site- jeez- neat! I thought I'd make a list-wide statement and say good work and keep it up! Robert K. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 Aug 1998 22:45:03 -0500 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi Subject: Re: I'm feeling much better now... Message-ID: <35CBC9BF.625E@bellsouth.net> Don Rinker wrote: > Planes are all about noise, and sound and smells, and of course dirt. There is something indescribable about the sound of a Merlin running, huh? E. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 22:45:35 -0500 From: "John C Glaser" To: Subject: RE: Some Interesting Links Message-ID: <000001bdc27f$002ff520$f011820a@johng-home> Cool Pics! - Mr. G. > -----Original Message----- > From: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu [mailto:wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu]On Behalf Of > Leonard Endy > Sent: Friday, August 07, 1998 7:33 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Some Interesting Links > > > I found the following two links and thought they might be of interest > to the list: > http://members.xoom.com/icky0/pics.html Some WWI era pictures from the National Archives. http://www.nara.gov/nara/nail.html Leads to the National Archive and Records Administration Archival Information Locator. Although NAIL contains more than 349,952 descriptions and 69,000 digital copies, it represents only a limited portion of NARA's vast holdings. Enjoy, Len ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 Aug 1998 23:43:57 +0800 From: Joey Valenciano To: wwi Subject: Re: The Problem with the list Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19980807234357.00742c98@philonline.com.ph> > Oh, the outage had nothing to do with 'Jasta5gate' Ha! So there.... The man said it. :-) ********************************************************************* Joey Valenciano WW1 modeller, teacher, jazz musician, joeyval@philonline.com. sitarist Metro-Manila, Philippines "The more you know, the more you don't know." ********************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 08 Aug 1998 11:15:30 +0800 From: Joey Valenciano To: wwi Subject: Weathering Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19980808111530.006e15fc@philonline.com.ph> Hi all, Did you all receive the message below? I should receive my own mail to the list but didn't receive this one originally. Could you email (direct) feedback? ****************************************** >You know the way the front of the axle wing fairing on a Fokker D.VIII >looks? Kinda like a garage floor, all stained Oil stains on rotary planes are fun and challenging to add. There's a photo of J. Jacobs close-up and posed beside the front end of his Tripe. A lot of oil seeped through the seam that joins the side walls of the cowl with the front. There's a lot of oil trickling from that curved seam onto the front face of the cowl, but the "side face" side of the seam has no oil at all, challenging also to paint in the drips (gloss) as narrow as possible. >Try mixing a touch of Paynes Grey >oil colour with Future/Kleer/Shine and dripping it strategically exactly >like the real stuff. I like diluted clear smoke w/ some black oil paint (for some opacity). >May work with the similar lower stringer edge stains too but I like that >area a bit cleaner - not every aircarft looked entirely crappy But take a look at the Pfalz E series datafile. Many up-ended aircraft. The oil stain goes down the center fabric belly seam all the way to the rear fuselage. Observe khaki coloured cloth when you wet it, the wet areas get much darker than the dry. I think some oil staining could be simulated that way too, when the oil seeps into the fabric, you don't necessarily have a black staining or a sheen on the surface, just a darker version of the fabric. Talking about oil damage, the chipping paint it causes is another thing to rekon with. Tears/bullet holes in the fabric got repaired before a plane was flown again. The hole could very possibly be the start of a large tear due to the force of the slipstream. interrestingly, some of the German planes had little roundels painted on the patched area. And about the pristine romantic, knights in shining armour finish, I recall that field paints were usually of a poor quality. So you have brush marks (uneven paint coverage), and not so vivid colours (add a little grey or brown to pure colours). Look at the German aircraft that had their crosses retouched. You'll see that the retouch paint is very different in tone than the original finish and the newer paint could have a different sheen to it. This "poor paint" situation is actually a boon to us modellers. Giving the "knight scheme" aircraft a neater than the real thing paint job usually results in the model looking very toy-like. This became very obvious as I was painting my Udet (ex-Krischtein) Triplane. I added a little white to the black stripes and juuuuust a touch of light grey to the white stripes. After they were painted on, I went over the black stripes with a white wash and a black wash for the white stripes. This was very judiciously done, the effect of the wash is not obvious at all, just enough to vary the "too even" airbrush job. It worked. To continue, the Tripe had a red "LO" on each side of the fuselage. No transfers matched so I looked for white dry transfers of the correct size and shape/font. I applied the dry transfers and painted over the transfers with red tech pen ink. I used tech pen ink because it covers well enough (you know the trouble with most all red paints) and I could wipe off errors with a wet tissue. The effect of the brushed on ink was very good. It was sealed with a clear coat. The Udet SSW I did has a paint job of much darkened red. I used the kit transfers for the "LO!" but went over the transfers with a red wash to simulate the base colour showing through. That worked as well. Have any of you guys seen paint chipping like that on WWI Jap planes? I don't seem to recall that happening much to WWI birds. As to paint fading, I don't think that happened much because the aircraft were well protected because they were of wood and fabric (one of the praises the Junkers D.I got was that you could leave it out in the open, whatever weather you had) and, they didn't last long enough for fading to happen. The only fading I recall is that found on Fokker E.V's converted to D.VIII's. They erased the old serial and painted in the new one. Erasing the old serial caused the lozenges in that area to fade. The could probably be simulated with a white wash? If oil stains are a can of worms then simulating sagging/wrinkled fabric and buckling plywood skinning is a bowl of maggots! ********************************************************************* Joey Valenciano WW1 modeller, teacher, jazz musician, joeyval@philonline.com. sitarist Metro-Manila, Philippines "The more you know, the more you don't know." ********************************************************************* ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 1152 **********************