WWI Digest 1151

Topics covered in this issue include:

  1) LIst up?
	by Don Rinker <drinker@fast.net>
  2) Re: Major Woodie! DV.a
	by Mike Fletcher <mdf@mars.ark.com>
  3) Where is everybody?
	by "D. Anderson" <2814823733@home.com>
  4) Re: Latvian LVG C.VI
	by Zulis@aol.com
  5) Omega kits(was RE:latest SAMI)
	by "Michal Beran" <beran@cm-sec.cz>
  6) Administrivia
	by aew (Allan Wright)
  7) Weeeeere Back!
	by aew (Allan Wright)
  8) Re: Weeeeere Back!
	by Ernest Thomas <ethomas6@bellsouth.net>
  9) Whew! I was getting lonely
	by Mike Dicianna <mikedc@proaxis.com>
 10) Re: Whew! I was getting lonely
	by Ernest Thomas <ethomas6@bellsouth.net>
 11) RE: Weathering  WAS  (Whew! I was getting lonely)
	by Shane Weier <SDW@qld.mim.com.au>
 12) Re: Weeeeere Back!
	by "Steven M. Perry" <smperry@mindspring.com>
 13) RE: Weathering  WAS  (Whew! I was getting lonely)
	by "Steven M. Perry" <smperry@mindspring.com>
 14) The Problem with the list
	by aew (Allan Wright)
 15) Re: The Problem with the list
	by Ernest Thomas <ethomas6@bellsouth.net>
 16) Re: The Problem with the list
	by aew (Allan Wright)
 17) Re: The Problem with the list
	by "Steven M. Perry" <smperry@mindspring.com>
 18) Re: The Problem with the list
	by "Richard Eaton" <reaton@dsccc.com>
 19) Re: The Problem with the list
	by aew (Allan Wright)
 20) Re: The Problem with the list
	by "Paul Schwartzkopf" <PSchwartzkopf@transcrypt.com>

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Date: Thu, 06 Aug 1998 17:23:05 -0400
From: Don Rinker <drinker@fast.net>
To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" <wwi>
Subject: LIst up?
Message-ID: <35CA1EB9.AA644000@fast.net>

LIst working? No Messages in 24 hrs.
Email me please if it's working.

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Date: Thu, 06 Aug 1998 16:09:33 -0700
From: Mike Fletcher <mdf@mars.ark.com>
To: wwi
Subject: Re: Major Woodie! DV.a
Message-ID: <35CA37AD.8ADAF82C@mars.ark.com>

is it just me and Bob or are there no messages flying about the ether?

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Date: Thu, 06 Aug 1998 17:33:24 -0600
From: "D. Anderson" <2814823733@home.com>
To: wwi
Subject: Where is everybody?
Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19980806173324.006b9848@mail>

What happened to the list?

I haven't had a single message since Tuesday, which for me is unprecedented.

Anyone out there?

Dane


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Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 20:24:24 EDT
From: Zulis@aol.com
To: wwi
Subject: Re: Latvian LVG C.VI
Message-ID: <93676512.35ca4939@aol.com>

In a message dated 98-08-02, 11:38:22, Jeff  writes:

<<I have a sheet of the Blue Rider Latvian Air Force decals.  It includes
decals for a Sopwith Camel, a Sopwith 1 1/2 Strutter, and the LVG C.VI.  I
noticed Sierra and Pegasus kit the LVG C.VI, and I'm contemplating
purchasing one, probably the Pegasus.

My question, the color specs that come with the Blue Rider decals, just
show a diamond pattern on the wings and rudder listed as upper lozenge
fabric and lower lozenge fabric.  These are not included on the decal
sheet.  References listed are Aviation News Vol 5 #23 & Vol 7 #11, as well
as Windsock Datafile 17.  

As these lozenge patterns available as decals anywhere, or should I just
forget the Latvian version of the LVG C.VI?

Jeff>>

Hi Jeff!

I have some material on Latvian aviation at home,so I cant be too specific
here, but I believe that if the Latvians obtained an LVG it was either
interred as a forced-down German aircraft (in which case it presumably had the
German lozenge fabric) or it was bought from a third party after the war (in
which case it could be anything).

I am in Newfoundland on vacation this week, but when I return I will look it
up in Irbitis`  book  -  he claims to list all aircraft that were with the
Latvian air force.

David Zulis

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Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 09:23:19 +0200
From: "Michal Beran" <beran@cm-sec.cz>
To: <wwi>
Subject: Omega kits(was RE:latest SAMI)
Message-ID: <199808070732.JAA02286@jenicek.cm-sec.cz>

Hi,
there is your Czech connection here again. I have just talked to Jan =
Pala(that from the Omega Models) and here are the results:
-WW1 kits on sale now:Sikorski S-16 w. wheels(MPS7201A),Sikorski S-16/3 =
w.ski undercarriage(MPS7201B),LWF model V (with Thomas Morse =
engine)(MPL7201A), LWF model V (with Stuerwant? engine)(MPL7201B), =
Sopwith F1/3 Comic(MSP7201), Farman(DUKS built)F-30bis(MPL7203A), =
Farman(DUKS built)F-30 (MPL7203C).

The Farman has just landed on my workbench (something for pusher lovers) =
and after the first check with drawings in the FMP book it looks fine.
=20
Jan currently works on the masters for the following kits: Nieuport N =
XXI, Fokker C 1, Fokker V.23. He searches for more informations =
(drawings, photos and colour schemes of the Sikorski S-20 he wants to =
produce). Could anyone help us?
-Prices: 200-300Kc (it's ~5.5-8.5$).
-Currently no dealer in UK/USA, probably Hannants in the autumn this =
year
If anyone is interested, contact me or Jan directly
His address:Jan Pala, Svatoplukova 9, 78501 Sternberk (in this case =
kindly mention my name, please).
Decals: Jan wanted to supply kits with decals but last year's disastrous =
floods destroyed all prepared ones. He works currently on new decals =
which will be available this autumn as separate items for all currently =
produced kits.

regards

Michal
                                                                         =
                                                                        

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Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 08:49:22 -0400 (EDT)
From: aew (Allan Wright)
To: wwi
Subject: Administrivia
Message-ID: <199808071249.IAA03813@pease1.sr.unh.edu>

This is a test to make sure the WWI list is working.

nb: 1/64 Sampson's Armoured Command Car
    1/72 Nieuport 17c
lc: Toko SS-DIII oob
nl: Southside Johnny - "Ruff Stuff"

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Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 09:15:07 -0400 (EDT)
From: aew (Allan Wright)
To: wwi
Subject: Weeeeere Back!
Message-ID: <199808071315.JAA01032@pease1.sr.unh.edu>

Hi list, we're back. Sorry for the downtime, I was out of my office working
elsewhere on campus yesterday and didn't know the list was down.

-Allan

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Date: Fri, 07 Aug 1998 08:27:20 -0500
From: Ernest Thomas <ethomas6@bellsouth.net>
To: wwi
Subject: Re: Weeeeere Back!
Message-ID: <35CB00B8.3A06@bellsouth.net>

Allan Wright wrote:
> 
> Hi list, we're back. Sorry for the downtime, I was out of my office working
> elsewhere on campus yesterday and didn't know the list was down.
> 
> -Allan


I get to be the first to say YIPPIE, and Thank you Allan.
E.

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Date: Fri, 07 Aug 1998 06:34:13 +0000
From: Mike Dicianna <mikedc@proaxis.com>
To: wwi
Subject: Whew! I was getting lonely
Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19980807063413.00676284@proaxis.com>

Glad to see that the list is back.   I was getting a little lonely...I know-
"get a life!!!"   (quote from my wife)

Okay, let's start another thread....I assume this has been hashed out before,
but...

WEATHERING WWI AIRCRAFT:   Having been a modeler for years, I have read about
article out there about weathering aircraft...but know very few techniques on
making a stringbad look like it has been "rode hard and put away wet"

I figure, mud on wheels, undersides and tailskid area, how about things like
fading fabrics, gunpowder stains, oil stains, battle damage....Were WW1 aircraft
maintained in  the field in pristine colors?   Really hard to get a handle on
this from existing photos (B/W) that I have seen.

There, I feel better now...

Mikedc


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Date: Fri, 07 Aug 1998 08:38:39 -0500
From: Ernest Thomas <ethomas6@bellsouth.net>
To: wwi
Subject: Re: Whew! I was getting lonely
Message-ID: <35CB035F.21FB@bellsouth.net>

Mike Dicianna wrote:

> I figure, mud on wheels, undersides and tailskid area, how about things like
> fading fabrics, gunpowder stains, oil stains, battle damage....

Don't forget the occasional 'poop' stain on the seat...
E.

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Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 23:50:14 +1000
From: Shane Weier <SDW@qld.mim.com.au>
To: wwi
Subject: RE: Weathering  WAS  (Whew! I was getting lonely)
Message-ID: <199808071406.AAA22573@mimmon.mim.com.au>

Mike asks

>WEATHERING WWI AIRCRAFT:   Having been a modeler for years, I have read
about
>article out there about weathering aircraft...but know very few
techniques on
>making a stringbad look like it has been "rode hard and put away wet"


Urrgh. Can of worms time.  For some reason most of us prefer to weather
them little if at all. Romatic schemes lead to pristine finishes like
knights of yore riding ito battle in their Sunday best Hollywood style.

But....  here's a handy hint on oil staining.

You know the way the front of the axle wing fairing on a Fokker D.VIII
looks?  Kinda like a garage floor, all stained because every drop of oil
from the engine drips right on down. Try mixing a touch of Paynes Grey
oil colour with Future/Kleer/Shine and dripping it strategically exactly
like the real stuff. Looks pretty convincing IMHO

May work with the similar lower stringer edge stains too but I like that
area a bit cleaner - not every aircarft looked entirely crappy

Shane

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Date: Fri, 07 Aug 1998 10:02:09 -0400
From: "Steven M. Perry" <smperry@mindspring.com>
To: wwi
Subject: Re: Weeeeere Back!
Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19980807100209.006a6a40@pop.mindspring.com>

At 09:15 AM 8/7/98 -0400, you wrote:
>Hi list, we're back. Sorry for the downtime, I was out of my office working
>elsewhere on campus yesterday and didn't know the list was down.
>
>-Allan

Allan:
Thanks for fixing the list! 

Bob: Thanks for generating the temporary list messages.

sp


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Date: Fri, 07 Aug 1998 10:19:07 -0400
From: "Steven M. Perry" <smperry@mindspring.com>
To: wwi
Subject: RE: Weathering  WAS  (Whew! I was getting lonely)
Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19980807101907.006a8230@pop.mindspring.com>

>Try mixing a touch of Paynes Grey
>oil colour with Future/Kleer/Shine and dripping it strategically exactly
>like the real stuff. Looks pretty convincing IMHO

Shane:
Sounds like an excellent technique. Please educate me. I thought acrylic &
oil based finished didn't mix well. Is the Paynes Gray an artist's oil and
do they mix with acrylic?

Mike:
FWIW: Burnt castor oil can be simulated with Glosscote laquer mixed with
just a bit of brown & even less aluminum. Blob on a spot and use air only
from the airbrush to blow it back like the slip stream would have. Practice
first as the air from the airbrush dries the laquer fast. You get one or
two shots to make it look realistic.

sp


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Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 10:21:26 -0400 (EDT)
From: aew (Allan Wright)
To: wwi
Subject: The Problem with the list
Message-ID: <199808071421.KAA01433@pease1.sr.unh.edu>

Hi all,

   More information on our little problem.....

   It seems someone else here in my department thought it would be a good
idea to 'upgrade' my system's mailer software withour informing me. Well,
the 'upgrade' sucked, and broke the mailing list. I have since removed
the offending 'new' software and restored functionality.

   Oh, the outage had nothing to do with 'Jasta5gate'

-Al

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Date: Fri, 07 Aug 1998 09:47:29 -0500
From: Ernest Thomas <ethomas6@bellsouth.net>
To: wwi
Subject: Re: The Problem with the list
Message-ID: <35CB1381.7170@bellsouth.net>

Allan Wright wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
>    More information on our little problem.....
> 
>    It seems someone else here in my department thought it would be a good
> idea to 'upgrade' my system's mailer software withour informing me. Well,
> the 'upgrade' sucked, and broke the mailing list. I have since removed
> the offending 'new' software and restored functionality.


Have you executed the offending 'someone else'?
E.

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Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 11:02:17 -0400 (EDT)
From: aew (Allan Wright)
To: wwi
Subject: Re: The Problem with the list
Message-ID: <199808071502.LAA01654@pease1.sr.unh.edu>

> Have you executed the offending 'someone else'?

Well, it was a forgivable mistake. He didn't know the patch was bogus.

-Al

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Date: Fri, 07 Aug 1998 11:15:49 -0400
From: "Steven M. Perry" <smperry@mindspring.com>
To: wwi
Subject: Re: The Problem with the list
Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19980807111549.006aa86c@pop.mindspring.com>

At 11:02 AM 8/7/98 -0400, you wrote:
>> Have you executed the offending 'someone else'?
>
>Well, it was a forgivable mistake. He didn't know the patch was bogus.
>
>-Al

Hangin's too good for him...make him build a model jet :)
sp


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Date: Fri, 07 Aug 1998 10:47:08 -0500
From: "Richard Eaton" <reaton@dsccc.com>
To: wwi
Subject: Re: The Problem with the list
Message-ID: <35CB217C.9554F1D6@dsccc.com>

Anyone else feel a distinct vacuum in their day while the list
was down. Thanks Alan (and Bob)

Regards,

Richard

Allan Wright wrote:
> 
> > Have you executed the offending 'someone else'?
> 
> Well, it was a forgivable mistake. He didn't know the patch was bogus.
> 
> -Al
> 
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Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 12:03:53 -0400 (EDT)
From: aew (Allan Wright)
To: wwi
Subject: Re: The Problem with the list
Message-ID: <199808071603.MAA02037@pease1.sr.unh.edu>

> Anyone else feel a distinct vacuum in their day while the list
> was down. Thanks Alan (and Bob)

Always glad to give everyone their 'fix'.

You guys must have really been 'jones-ing' bad if you needed to create a 
temporary list after only 1 day of downtime!

-Allan

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Date: Fri, 07 Aug 1998 11:06:59 -0500
From: "Paul Schwartzkopf" <PSchwartzkopf@transcrypt.com>
To: wwi
Subject: Re: The Problem with the list
Message-ID: <s5cadfe7.020@transcrypt.com>

>  It seems someone else here in my department thought it would be a good
> idea to 'upgrade' my system's mailer software withour informing me.=20

Must have been something like Win98, or another "fine" Microsoft product!

Paul A. Schwartzkopf


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