WWI Digest 1150

Topics covered in this issue include:

  1) D.H.10A
	by David & Carol Fletcher <mdf@mars.ark.com>
  2) I'm back
	by Geoff Smith <GeoffSmith@compuserve.com>
  3) RE: Hi, new to the list and a question
	by Geoff Smith <GeoffSmith@compuserve.com>
  4) Where was Herman?
	by "Tom Werner Hansen" <tomwerner.hansen@of.telia.no>
  5) anybody out there?
	by KarrArt@aol.com
  6) RE: Hi, new to the list and a question 
	by infosilver@czechia.com
  7) FSM Response
	by "Leonard Endy" <lfendy@firstsaga.com>
  8) Re: Pfalz D.XII
	by martinsc@pipemedia.co.uk (Martin Soilleux-Cardwell)
  9) (no subject)
	by Ernest Thomas <ethomas6@bellsouth.net>
 10) Where are you?
	by "Alexandre de C. Triffoni" <atcampos@nutecnet.com.br>
 11) Re: Nielsen & Winther Type Aa WWI biplane fighter
	by "Jeff Curtis" <jcurtis@indy.net>
 12) Gotha Footage
	by "Steven M. Perry" <smperry@mindspring.com>
 13) D.VII
	by Mike Fletcher <mdf@mars.ark.com>
 14) Am I Back?
	by dandk@mediaone.net
 15) Re: Pfalz D.XII
	by Mick Fauchon <ulmjf@dewey.newcastle.edu.au>
 16) Hello?
	by Suvoroff@aol.com
 17) Post WWI Freikorps a/c sources?
	by Jeff Hamblen <ham545@yahoo.com>

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Date: Wed, 05 Aug 1998 10:37:04 -0700
From: David & Carol Fletcher <mdf@mars.ark.com>
To: Multiple recipients of list <wwi>
Subject: D.H.10A
Message-ID: <35C89840.5440@mars.ark.com>

Yes, I know I've proclaimed loudly that I'm a WWII modeller - but I'm
also somewhat eclectic (apologies to the non-native English speakers on
the page for using obscure words).  I have started digging out kits I
started years ago and that went into storage when I headed "across the
Pond" to Europe in 1990.  Among the "finds" was a long-forgotten K & B
D.H.10A with a warped fuselage and no transparencies, for which I had
paid the princely sum of $1.99.  Modern materials being what they are, I
have rapidly fixed the fuselage and rebuilt the nacelles to the proper
shape; new transparencies present no problem on this machine.  What I am
lacking is rigging detail and the method of attachment of the inner
struts from the nacelles to the top wing.  All that I have covers the
D.H.10 and I can extrapolate, but I'd rather be sure.  Outboard of the
nacelles appears to be the same as the 'straight' D.H.10, but what about
the centre-section?  Likewise, the  control runs to the rudder and
elevators appear to follow rather devious routes - has anybody got a
clear sketch or photo showing how the linkages worked?

I still have two more D.H.10A kits - what can I do that's exciting with
an aeroplane that had such a mundane (and short) career?  I'll end with
a "modeller's interest story":  In the mid-1970s, I visited a department
store in Dartmouth, Novea Scotia and spotted a K & B Gotha; I quickly
snatched it up and rushed home to fondle plastic.  Close scrutiny
revealed that it was missing one complete tree (no engines, wheels, etc,
etc).  The following week, I was in Halifax, Nova Scotia, and wandered
into the local hobby shop.  What did I spy but a K & B D.H.10A and,
being a glutton for punishment, carried that trophy home as well.  On
opening the box, I found an extra tree - the missing Gotha parts!  Which
all goes to prove that if you buy enough kits all problems solve
themselves (at least that's what I've tried to convince my wife...)

Dave Fletcher
mdf@mars.ark.com

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Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 14:15:34 -0400
From: Geoff Smith <GeoffSmith@compuserve.com>
To: WWI List <wwi>
Subject: I'm back
Message-ID: <199808051415_MC2-5540-E003@compuserve.com>

Hi guys,

Well I'm back from wherever I went. Fnny how you anticipate holidays for
months and remember them for days. Now I'm on the slow road to catching u=
p
on the digests. There were qite a few references to DH2s in some of the
first I read. A bit of a bgger,this, as I received my copy of Flypast
today, in which there's a photo of a DH2 replica which lives not ten mile=
s
from where I was on holiday. Can someone tell me whether this is nlucky,
incompetent or Sod's Law?

The other thing was what Reid Sweatman (I think) wrote:

 the first time *I* had sex . Got a photo to prove it, 'cause my wife
(my *bassist*, just so you know I'm not down on bassists ) snapped a shot=

of it. 'Course, the grin Keith had on was nothing to
the bemused shit-eatin' grin I was wearing . Oh, unless you missed it, I'=
m
a keyboard player . And to forestall another point, the
babe I first had sex with wasn't her.

Is this a perfect example of the nderstanding wife, is Reid Sweatman the
psedonym for a gy named Bill or have I taken something ot of context? :-)=


Nice to be back,

Regards,

Geoff
PS Looks like the sodding  key's still on holiday, sorry. Just add any
vowel and see what yo come p with.

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Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 15:16:49 -0400
From: Geoff Smith <GeoffSmith@compuserve.com>
To: "INTERNET:wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" <wwi>
Subject: RE: Hi, new to the list and a question
Message-ID: <199808051517_MC2-553E-8431@compuserve.com>


>> Hello all,
>=3D20
>   My name is Lorna Jenkins=3D20<

With regard to my last post..............Oooops!

Glad you made it, I must remember to read all the digests before I say
something else I'll regret.

Welcome,

Geoff

PS Technical repair to the missing u involved braining the keyboard and
shouting at it.

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Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 21:26:46 +0200
From: "Tom Werner Hansen" <tomwerner.hansen@of.telia.no>
To: <wwi>
Subject: Where was Herman?
Message-ID: <199808051947.VAA19522@d1o211.telia.com>

Guys (and Doll now) (although last I heard Youguys referred to both sexes)

I'm in the process of translating autobiographical notes by a Norwegian
pilot (and polar explorer) Tryggve Gran who in one of the later editions of
his works claims to have shot down Goering in a dogfight with the
Richthofen Circus on the 8th or 9th of September 1917.
Knut Erik Hagen told me that this is not quite to be trusted, but since it
is possible to pinpoint the date and time, (Gran was flying with 70
squadron at the time) maybe this could be partly verified or at least made
likely.
Gran writes that he compared notes with Goering when they met in Germany
when Gran flew Oslo-Berlin-France-Scotland-Oslo to commemorate Gran's 1914
crossing of the North Sea in a Bleriot. They found out that their logbooks
matched, and that it both time and place matched, and that was in all
likelyhood Gran who had shot Goering down.
According to Knut Erik Gran had never claimed to have shot down anything
else than twin-engine plane(s). 
So where are we?
Can any of you find out what Fat Herman (before he was fat) was doing on
the days in question?

While I'm on the subject of Gran: Would there be interest among the list
members for selected chapters of his book to be sent in translation to the
group? I don't know about copyright problems, the book I'm working on is as
new as 1979. The copyright for the translation would be my own.
There are also lots of interesting stuff in his book from 1919 which
exclusively deals with his days in the RFC/RAF where he ended up as major
before he left the RAF.
As far as I know nothing of his stuff had been translated into English.

Tom






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Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 16:58:50 EDT
From: KarrArt@aol.com
To: wwi
Subject: anybody out there?
Message-ID: <d051346e.35c8c78b@aol.com>

Anybody out there? 'tis 2:00 in the afternoon here and not a single list
posting today!
Robert K.

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Date: Wed,  5 Aug 98 21:32:49 -01
From: infosilver@czechia.com
To: wwi
Subject: RE: Hi, new to the list and a question 
Message-ID: <Chameleon.980805230525.infosilver@trixi.czechia.com>

Lorna and Shane,

welcome to the list. For that Lorna is looking for check: 

http://www.czechia.com/silverbird/rvh72.htm

for more WWI 1/72 stuff:

http://www.czechia.com/silverbird/hor72.htm

Cheers!

Ivan Subrt

"The air is our sea." Czech proverb.

On Tue, 4 Aug 1998 17:14:29 -0400  Shane Weier wrote:
>Hello Lorna and Shane
>
>>  My name is Lorna Jenkins and I am new to the list. My principal
>>interest is in Austro-Hungarian aircraft but I'm a sucker for all those
>>lovely planes with two wings. Can anyone on the list tell me is there
>is
>>a kit available of the Aviatik C.1? Any scale but prefer 1/72.
>
>There have been vacforms in 1/72 by Classic Plane and Joystick, and an
>excellent 1/48 vacform by Sierra Scale Models.  I sort of doubt if any
>but the Sierra one are available any more. However, a 1/72 resin by RVHP
>was reviewed in the March/April Windsock this year. I don't have it here
>(I'm 600km from my magazines, but my index is in this laptop) so I can't
>tell you the price or source.
>
>>Glad to find people who are interested in things other than
>tailburners.
>
>Any further mention may leave to painful excommunication ;-)
>
>>  Hi, I'm Lorna's husband Shane. I would like to thank Alberto & others
>>from SMML for pointing us to this list. My interest is mainly ships(any
>>era), but I dabble in other subjects from time to time. 
>
>I *have* to point out that list volume notwithstanding, WW1 ships are
>sure as hell on topic. And to note that Alberto isn't the only list (or
>ex-list) member moonlighting on SMML.
>
>Which brings me to ask whether between the two of you, you could
>possibly wander on down to Darling Harbour and nick the model of HMAS
>Sydney (I) from the National Maritime Museum. I want to scratchbuild one
>in 1/350 as a companion to my SMS Emden and plans are *sooo* hard to
>find.  :-)
>
>Don't drink the water,
>
>Shane
>(Weier, in Brisbane, closet shipbuilder)
>





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Date: Thu, 06 Aug 1998 00:10:31 GMT
From: "Leonard Endy" <lfendy@firstsaga.com>
To: wwi
Subject: FSM Response
Message-ID: <35caf329.854271@legend.firstsaga.com>

I had recently e-mailed Bob Hayden, FSM Editor, and of course put in a
plug for an all WWI special issue. His reply follows:


>I try to fit some WWI modeling into FSM whenever we can find something
>suitable, and I think we've been fairly successful over the years. 
>There's two problems, though: (1) There aren't a lot of WWI modelers,
>and (2) There aren't a lot of WWI modelers. (1) is a problem in finding the 
>material for an all-WWI issue; (2) is a problem in finding enough people to buy it.
>Good news: In Great Scale Modeling -- 1999, >we'll have a portfolio story on 
>a fellow who models only WWI -- but >who does figures, planes, armor, and 
>even a ship or two!

I don't think finding enough material presents that big of a problem
but from a marketing viewpoint I think selling enough copies might be
the real problem.

Len


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Date: Thu, 06 Aug 1998 01:39:25 +0100
From: martinsc@pipemedia.co.uk (Martin Soilleux-Cardwell)
To: wwi
Subject: Re: Pfalz D.XII
Message-ID: <19980806013925.63736e492c1011d2b579004f4b00cee4.in@mailrelay.pipemedia.net>

>I seem unable to get their site - could someone forward a copy of the
>profile to me? 
>
I too could not get in last night. Any chance of someone sending me the pic
as well?

Martin
"One had to fly up to a height of 50 metres, cut off one's engine and land 
again within 50 metres of the observers. Often, if it looked as if the pupil 
was about to land short, the instructors would walk slowly towards the spot 
where they thought it would be the defined distance. I do not recall a 
single pupil being 'ploughed' for not landing within the specified distance."
     - Donald Clappen recalling the Royal Aero Club certificate test, 1910.


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Date: Wed, 05 Aug 1998 20:16:07 -0500
From: Ernest Thomas <ethomas6@bellsouth.net>
To: multiple recipients of list <wwi>
Subject: (no subject)
Message-ID: <35C903D7.48C2@bellsouth.net>

is there anybody 
out there?

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Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 23:00:35 -0300
From: "Alexandre de C. Triffoni" <atcampos@nutecnet.com.br>
To: <wwi>
Subject: Where are you?
Message-ID: <199808060159.WAA15797@srv1-cas.cas.nutecnet.com.br>

  Hi all !

  Is this list in the lurking mode or I'm in trouble?

  Best regards,

  Alexandre - atcampos@nutecnet.com.br



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Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 20:43:53 -0500
From: "Jeff Curtis" <jcurtis@indy.net>
To: <wwi>
Subject: Re: Nielsen & Winther Type Aa WWI biplane fighter
Message-ID: <199808060152.UAA06276@indy3.indy.net>

Thanks Much!  I'll pick up one or two of those Berg kits.

Jeff

----------
> From: Alberto Rada <rada@argonaut.net>
> To: Multiple recipients of list <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
> Subject: Re: Nielsen & Winther Type Aa WWI biplane fighter
> Date: Tuesday, August 04, 1998 11:00 PM
> 
> Hi Jeff
> 
> I have the Ansaldo A.1 Balilla by Berg, they are also Atelier Noix
> its 1/72 and I don't think I have seen a better kit on this scale
> 
> Hannants has on sale 3 of their kits, if you like the plane and the kit 
> is as good as the Balilla . . . .
> 
> SALUDOS
> 
> Alberto
> 
> 
> At 10:41 PM 04-08-98 -0400, you wrote:
> >Here's a really obscure one on sale from Hannants.  I also noticed they
had
> >a kit of the Thomas-Morse Scout on sale.  It's a resin kit by Berg. 
Anyone
> >know anything about this kit, or are there other kits available of the
> >Thomas-Morse?
> >
> >
> >http://www.hannants.co.uk/cgi-bin/view.pl?v=8DANE&p=1&d=b&c=
> >
> >
> >Jeff
> >
> >
> >

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Date: Wed, 05 Aug 1998 23:16:44 -0400
From: "Steven M. Perry" <smperry@mindspring.com>
To: wwi
Subject: Gotha Footage
Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19980805231644.006d2a80@pop.mindspring.com>

FWIW:
Weapons at War, now on the local cable History Channel just showed some
nice Gotha footage including a long range shot of one on floats. Also a
good in air shot of a white Fok. D.VII. Fat Herman's? 

So is the list working or just quiet today?
sp



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Date: Wed, 05 Aug 1998 21:39:12 -0700
From: Mike Fletcher <mdf@mars.ark.com>
To: wwi
Subject: D.VII
Message-ID: <35C93370.362BD100@mars.ark.com>

Found an interesting Fokker D.VII site from Holland...
http://members.tripod.com/~Hans_Vossers/d7index.htm

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Date: Wed, 05 Aug 1998 22:46:59 -0700
From: dandk@mediaone.net
To: Model <wwi>
Subject: Am I Back?
Message-ID: <35C94352.451CAC40@mediaone.net>

Howdy all,
     I got bounced off the list again and have tried resubscribing 3
times without the normal verification coming back from the list server.
Any ideas? Help...
Lonely,
Dave Sterner


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Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 16:01:44 +1000 (EST)
From: Mick Fauchon <ulmjf@dewey.newcastle.edu.au>
To: wwi
Cc: Multiple recipients of list <wwi>
Subject: Re: Pfalz D.XII
Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9808061544.A25650-0100000@dewey.newcastle.edu.au>



	Paul,

> I found an unusually marked profile of a Pfalz D.XII at this web site--sinc=
> e no information is given, does anyone know anything about these markings =
> (real or fiction)?  TIA

	Did we get to the bottom of this one?
	The only info. I have calls it out as either Jasta 5 of "unknown".
I'm a bit dubious about the colour used on the site, as it's lighter and
more olive than J5's normal colour, and lacks the red outline normally 
associated with that unit's a/c.
	The few photos show the fuselage as being shadow-outlined, but
again, I wouldn't have gone for red as in the pic.
	My source also says lt. blue undersurace of bottom wing.
	In any event it's a nice aircraft all round.....go for it!!


								Cheers,

								Mick.


							"Working" on a DXII
							called as Jasta 11.
							    ????80(




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Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 02:17:01 EDT
From: Suvoroff@aol.com
To: wwi
Subject: Hello?
Message-ID: <3fe3379b.35c94a5e@aol.com>

Is the list dead?  Or did I get unsubscribed or something?

Yours,
James D. Gray

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Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 23:32:55 -0700 (PDT)
From: Jeff Hamblen <ham545@yahoo.com>
To: wwi <wwi>
Subject: Post WWI Freikorps a/c sources?
Message-ID: <19980806063255.19941.rocketmail@send1c.yahoomail.com>

I'm looking for sources and references to airplanes used by the
private armies in Germany following the end of WWI.  Anything will be
appreciated.  This period of history seems to be overlooked.  I've
found a number of books about the Nazis' later rise to power, but very
little about all the other groups that sprang up at the end of the war
when the red tide of bolshevism was threatning Western Europe.

Thanks again,
Jeff




==
Jeff Hamblen
NKJO-Opole, Poland
ham545@yahoo.com
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