WWI Digest 1147 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: photos of interest......correction by Dave Watts 2) Re: Middle east unofficail patch for rb2 by martinsc@pipemedia.co.uk (Martin Soilleux-Cardwell) 3) Re: Latvian LVG C.VI by martinsc@pipemedia.co.uk (Martin Soilleux-Cardwell) 4) No.24 Sqn DH2s (was Re: Revell DH2 (was: Thanks for your opinions)) by Bob Pearson 5) Re: No.24 Sqn DH2s (was Re: Revell DH2 (was: Thanks for your opinions)) by martinsc@pipemedia.co.uk (Martin Soilleux-Cardwell) 6) Re: Pegasus (was Latvian LVG C.VI) by Mike Dicianna 7) Re: photos of interest......correction by Mike Dicianna 8) RE: Jasta 5 scans, different view by Shane Weier 9) Re: Thanks for your opinions by "Jeff Curtis" 10) Re: Dark Slate Grey by "Jeff Curtis" 11) Re: Middle east unofficail patch for rb2 by "David R.L. Laws" 12) Re: FOTOCut by "David R.L. Laws" 13) Re: Rigging Help by Ernest Thomas 14) Re: Thanks for your opinions by mbittner@juno.com 15) Re: Pegasus (was Latvian LVG C.VI) by mbittner@juno.com 16) Re: Dark Slate Gray by Alberto Rada 17) Re: Dark Slate Grey by Alberto Rada 18) Re: Hi, new to the list and a question by Alberto Rada 19) Re: Clear doped linen by "Mike Muth" 20) SE5a Decals by "Mike Muth" 21) Barnes and Noble bargain bin find by Jeff Hamblen 22) Revell's Morane Saulnier N by Jeff Hamblen 23) Superscale WWI decals by Jeff Hamblen 24) Re: Pegasus (was Latvian LVG C.VI) by Nigel Rayner 25) personality of aircraft wasRe: Dark Slate Gray by KarrArt@aol.com 26) Re: WARNING: SOAP BOX MODE ON (was Re: Oshkosh/Dietz/copyright by bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 03 Aug 1998 17:18:06 -0500 From: Dave Watts To: wwi Subject: Re: photos of interest......correction Message-ID: <199808032219.RAA17130@sam.on-net.net> Glad to spread the word, although I may be encouraging competition with myself. There are probably about a thousand related listings that I look at every week. You can go to their home page and search under the category "Militaria". Have fun! My bidder name is fokker, if there is something you want that I am bidding on e-mail me. Best Wishes! Dave W. Martin writes; >Haven't looked around this site but how did you find it and does it auction >WWI era stuff often? >It strikes me that with the ability to take the image >off your screen, and print it, it kind of makes a mockery of auctioning a >photograph! I would always prefer the original, it's just a dollar question. >Martin ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Aug 1998 23:29:21 +0100 From: martinsc@pipemedia.co.uk (Martin Soilleux-Cardwell) To: wwi Subject: Re: Middle east unofficail patch for rb2 Message-ID: <19980803232921.0e639a762a7e11d2b578004f4b00cee4.in@mailrelay.pipemedia.net> >hi all > > With the help of ppl from this list notably Bob Pearson , Mike Muth and Fernando Lamas ( thanx again ), i have organized the data fior a red baron 2 unofficial patch . I have 90% of the bmps done and am now starting on the tortuous hex editing that has to come :( . Anyway this is the info i have ( and what i am missing ) if u guys would like to pick over it to make sure it is correct i would appreciate it , especially if anyone has an interest in that theatre of WW1. > Aha, another player of this excellent game. I was wondering if there is any interest in WWI related PC games on this list but didnt want to mention it in case it was off-topic. Just in case the subject of computer games dealing with WWI *is* off-topic, I have sent a reply off-list, but if anyone else plays RB2, please drop me a line by private mail. Martin ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Aug 1998 23:35:38 +0100 From: martinsc@pipemedia.co.uk (Martin Soilleux-Cardwell) To: wwi Subject: Re: Latvian LVG C.VI Message-ID: <19980803233538.0e639a832a7e11d2b578004f4b00cee4.in@mailrelay.pipemedia.net> >Now that's some great information, Martin. The Blue Rider decals are >indeed for that airplane. They have the 24 in black with a white outline. >It species natural metal for the fuselage, with the struts and landing gear >being white. > >Jeff > Natural metal? Hmmmm...all but one of the Brian Knight profiles in the datafile depict the fuselage being of natural wood, presumably plywood. The pic of the Latvian machine shows struts dark, definitely not white. The pic shows the wings off, wheels and u/c off and bits of exhaust manifold on the ground in front of it - in fact the blokes in the picture look like they are having trouble building a 1:1 scale model... Martin "The little man on the pavement jumped comically - no doubt with terror - as the bomb fell beside him. Then blinding flames squirted out in all directions from the point of impact, and the little man who had jumped became, for an instant, a flash of fire and vanished - vanished absolutely. The people running out into the road took preposterous clumsy leaps, then flopped down and lay still, with their clothes torn and smouldering into flame." - The bombing of New York, from "The War in the Air" H.G.Wells, 1908. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 15:44:43 -0700 From: Bob Pearson To: WW1 Mailing list Subject: No.24 Sqn DH2s (was Re: Revell DH2 (was: Thanks for your opinions)) Message-ID: <22444398418322@KAIEN.COM> Wow! ! long post :-) Steve and Martin wrote . . > I don't have anything on 5998 in particular, I'm afraid. My details of 24's > markings are quite general. Here's what I do have: > > 1. All a/c PC10 upper surfaces, fin and nacelle top/sides. Not all, 5929 was CDL overall. > 2. All a/c clear doped lower surfaces. By this you mean the fabric areas - the nacelles were either gray or white bottomed. > 3. All a/c teak interplane struts, u/c struts and booms (except as below). Struts are gray, not varnished > 4. Inner and outer wheel covers red. Depends on the flight. A Flight used red, B used black and C used blue .. > 6. Small RFC roundel below and slightly abaft the cockpit side. The position varied. 5929 had it on the metal work at the front of the nacelle > 7. The outboard pair of struts of each machine were painted alternating > horizontal bands of red and white, with the colour pattern usually (but not > always) reversed for each trailing strut. That is, if the leading strut on > each wing was painted red-white-red-white-red, then the trailing ones would > be white-red-white-red-white. The reversed colours do not seem to have been > a hard rule. At first I thought this was a squadron marking but I understand > now it was a pilot marking (or rather an individual machine marking). There > is a famous photo of 24 lined up at Bertangles and it's quite easy to make > out that the strut paint pattern varied. I can identify: The flights used red/white, black/white or blue/white in various combinations to distinguish the individual aircraft. > Note sqn strength in this line-up is 18 DH2s and 1 Morane Bullet. The > caption indicates that this was the line up prior to the Somme offensive so > this *may* have been a tactical innovation by Lanoe Hawker which was absent > when the squadron first arrived in Belgium. I just don't know. > In the line up is a single Morane Bullet, painted in that plane's 'usual' > red spinner and upper cowling scheme. The M-S Type N A.178 is on loan from No.3 Sqn and was flown by Lt TPH Bayetto. As for the red nose, this is more likely black as stated by Harry Woodman in Windsock something or other "One distinct feature of MS aircraft production up to the LA (this is not a rigid dividing line, it is an indication based on photographs), was the practice of painting all the metal parts in a protective glossy enamel.... In early 1916 it appears that some RFC crews mistook the 'N;' for one of the Fokker monoplane variants and as a result tests were carried out using colour coding. A subsequent instruction was issued by RFC HQ to the OC 9th Wing to be effective from July 18 1916. This stated that all metal parts of the 'N's in squadron service were to be painted red. The French were informed but it is not known if they issued a similar instruction. As the 'N's were fast fading from the scene by mid 1916 as were the Fokkers, the order was rather late in coming. However, some RFC 'N's were painted in this way but some people seem to have the impression that the red touch was universally applied to all 'N's." > 32 sqn, on the other hand, had clear doped fins and clear doped nacelle 32 used different patterns of b/w circles on their wheel covers to distinguish their flights. > All these photos are from Alex Revell's "British Fighter Units - Western > Front 1914-16", an old Osprey/Airwar series title, long out of print with > all the photos credited to private collections, :( The DH2 Datafiles provides my statements, as well as the various articles in C&C(GB/INT). regards, Bob Pearson ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Aug 1998 00:44:21 +0100 From: martinsc@pipemedia.co.uk (Martin Soilleux-Cardwell) To: wwi Subject: Re: No.24 Sqn DH2s (was Re: Revell DH2 (was: Thanks for your opinions)) Message-ID: <19980804004421.0e639b7e2a7e11d2b578004f4b00cee4.in@mailrelay.pipemedia.net> Bob Pearson wrote: > >Wow! ! long post :-) > >Steve and Martin wrote . . > [big snip] Thanks for correcting my errors Bob. I feel privilidged to be smacked by one such as you. Note: Bob sent me a brief note off-list apologising for pointing out my errors - Bob, don't apologise, none needed. I am glad to learn I had my facts twisted too. Thanks Martin ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Aug 1998 17:00:05 +0000 From: Mike Dicianna To: wwi Subject: Re: Pegasus (was Latvian LVG C.VI) Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19980803170005.006d2580@proaxis.com> >>One thing that is neat about the Pegasus Strutter is that the top wing is >>molded in clear plastic, with judicious masking this enables the cellon >>covered centre-section to be represented in a safe strong manner. >> I like this feature, not very clear, but of course, it is 1/72nd scale >>I would also say I have built 4 or 5 of the Pegasus kits and haven't had any >>problems with them. Additionally I thought the LVG was one of the nicest >>molded injection kits I have come across (granted I haven't built it yet). The LVG is on my 1/72nd "to Do" list. Cant wait to get my hands on the new Albatros D.II (Will fill a needed hole in my MvR series) Have not seen it listed anywhere on the web yet... >> >I find Pegasus not too bad. >Here, Here, Harumph, Harumph! >Mikedc ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Aug 1998 17:03:41 +0000 From: Mike Dicianna To: wwi Subject: Re: photos of interest......correction Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19980803170341.006c72f4@proaxis.com> At 05:45 PM 8/3/98 -0400, you wrote: >>Sorry about that, the eBay listing for the German Albatros photo item # is >>22927456. > >Haven't looked around this site but how did you find it and does it auction >WWI era stuff often? It strikes me that with the ability to take the image >off your screen, and print it, it kind of makes a mockery of auctioning a >photograph! >Go to the search engine, and type ww1, the other day there were over 200 memorabilia items listed. Kind of addictive though. I have Fokker, Albatros, Sopwith, Spad all listed as favorites on my browser. Any given day there are 25 or so listed kits/pictures/goodies Mikedc ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 10:01:25 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: wwi Subject: RE: Jasta 5 scans, different view Message-ID: <199808040018.KAA00699@mimmon.mim.com.au> Martin points out: >>But, if you're not satisfied with the decals you receive, ship 'em >>back with a note explaining the problem. I've done that twice and >>each time replacement sheets were sent me, promptly and with >>no questions or quibbling or additional charge. > > >Actually he is legally bound to do that. It's not a favour. Depends on the country. And legality or not, there are businesses which do this willingly, and others which don't. A/G are definitely in the first category Shane ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 07:10:18 -0500 From: "Jeff Curtis" To: Subject: Re: Thanks for your opinions Message-ID: <199808040013.TAA10813@indy1.indy.net> It's always a shame when a company picks some unusual subjects for kits, and then mucks it all up. Sounds like I can toss Pegasus into the same class. Jeff ---------- > From: mgoodwin@ricochet.net > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Re: Thanks for your opinions > Date: Sunday, August 02, 1998 10:43 PM > > Jeff Curtis wrote: > > > Are any of them suitable for first efforts at a WW I biplane? > > If I were just getting my feet wet, I might just step away from the DH2 > (to avoid possibly mucking up a rare kit) and practice on the Acadamy > Camel or Smer Albatros. The Smer is cheap enough to be a donor for other > projects if it doesn't come out. > > > Merlin Models kit #6 - Breguet Br.14 B2 Looks rougher than a cob to me. > > This is probably Merlin's best kit, as it's alleged to have been based > on the Czechmaster resin. > > > Are any of these Merlin kits buildable? > > They are 'buildable' if one is stubborn, moderately skilled and > incurably frugal, but there is a great range of opinion as to whether or > not they actually qualify as models or basic scrathbuilding components > or are even worth the calories of consideration. Most are chunky, > ill-fitting and warped, and the older ones (such as the Roland C.II) are > based inaccurate drawings. Most also include virtually unusable strut > material. You have to expect to spend an inordinate amount of time just > fitting one together. > With literally boxes of Merlin kits collecting dust for more than a > decade, the local Robbery shop has finally hit upon the idea of selling > the most screwed up specimens on a sale table as "defective"! After not > moving these stinkers for years, one of the proprietors objected to me > trying to take the best parts from two Nieuport 10 kits (on the counter, > after asking him to examine the kits) to make a 'buildable' one! The > only reason I didn't tell him what I thought of his crappy sale table > and his precious Merlin masterpieces (and laugh in his face) was that he > has a few Blue Rider sheets that I still need, as well as a few Sierra > an Lonestar vacs that are out of production. > I have to admit to being silly enough to have bought a defective > (missing parts and gouged up a bit) Merlin C.II on impulse. I'm still > stubbornly carving the ocarina exhaust manifold and will use solder wire > for the header pipes. I wish it didn't bother me so much to part with > 50-$60 for a proper kit, but I've never gotten used to the idea of > spending about twice what Eduard asks for their two-seaters. > Unfortunately, even when Merlin kits (which feature a number of very > interesting subjects) are on the bargain table, you will never quite get > what you pay for. > > FWIW, > > Riordan > > And so it goes... > > Riordan ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 07:13:20 -0500 From: "Jeff Curtis" To: Subject: Re: Dark Slate Grey Message-ID: <199808040013.TAA10819@indy1.indy.net> I would love a copy of your list. ---------- > From: Aidrian Bridgeman-Sutton > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Re: Dark Slate Grey > Date: Monday, August 03, 1998 2:07 AM > > Alberto Rada wrote: > > > > Hi > > > > Although slightly out of topic ( its for a Stringbag ) should be considered > > WW I although did half of the work for the other conflict. > > > > The upper surfaces where camouflaged in this color and in Extra Dark > > Sea Grey ( this one I have ) > > > > I need an equivalent in Humbrol or Aeromaster or Modelmaster, ( enamel ) > > for this color, ( Darke Slate Grey ) or what mix to use. > > > > I know that Xtracolor and Floquil have it, but they are not available in these > > parts of the world > > > > MUCHAS GRACIAS > > > > SALUDOS > > > > Alberto > > > Sir you show your excellent taste in Aeroplanes. I have a chart which > I'll send you seperately for all the common WWII RAF/RN colours. Anyone > else need a copy? > > Aidrian > -- > > I've learnt by my mistakes and can repeat them perfectly. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Aug 1998 10:46:14 +0000 From: "David R.L. Laws" To: wwi Subject: Re: Middle east unofficail patch for rb2 Message-ID: <35C6E676.2DC5@webtime.com.au> Mike Fletcher wrote: > > I believe the RNAS/Port Said types (depending on period) should have > been Nieuport IV.H and VI.H, Sopwiths Schneider and Baby, and Short 184 > > Mike Fletcher To which may be added the Short Folder DAVID ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Aug 1998 10:58:25 +0000 From: "David R.L. Laws" To: wwi Subject: Re: FOTOCut Message-ID: <35C6E952.5D30@webtime.com.au> BARRY STETT, Barry could you please come back on a direct-to-me mail. I cann't access your site and have lost your new E-mail but know what I'm after Sorry list DAVID ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Aug 1998 20:41:17 -0500 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi Subject: Re: Rigging Help Message-ID: <35C666BD.1F6E@bellsouth.net> Tom Werner Hansen wrote: > > Ernest > > Unless your tongue was way into your cheek when you wrote this I advice you > not do it. I go through life with tongue in cheek. Keeps me from becoming a sniper;-) E. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 20:45:13 -0500 From: mbittner@juno.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Thanks for your opinions Message-ID: <19980803.205629.-168633.0.mbittner@juno.com> On Mon, 3 Aug 1998 20:14:45 -0400 "Jeff Curtis" writes: >It's always a shame when a company picks some unusual subjects for >kits, >and then mucks it all up. Sounds like I can toss Pegasus into the >same >class. Not at all!!! While Pegasus have had a *couple* of not-so-decent kits, it's just the opposite for Merlin. Merlin has had a couple of decent kits. Please don't base you judgement on one bad kit (which I'm sure was Kevin's experience - my LVG doesn't seem that bad). Now, I am in no way "slamming" Kevin, but you can't judge a whole line on one bad kit (well, except for Merlin :-)). The newest Pegasus kits are gems. The Macchi M.5 is probably his best to date - and I should know! I have all but one Pegasus WW1 kits (missing the Hanriot - durn). Matt Bittner _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 20:54:23 -0500 From: mbittner@juno.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Pegasus (was Latvian LVG C.VI) Message-ID: <19980803.205629.-168633.3.mbittner@juno.com> On Mon, 3 Aug 1998 17:30:23 -0400 martinsc@pipemedia.co.uk (Martin Soilleux-Cardwell) writes: >I find Pegasus not too bad. Same here, although I have only built the SSW D.III and working (and working...and working...) on the Roland D.II. >I've got their Snipe, Bristol M1C and Hanriot HD.1 and all are reasonable >kits, with none of the hideous warped fuselages mentioned. I have all their WW1's except the Hanriot (durn) and I have not encountered any problems except for an Albatros D.III that was sent to my (by Squadron no less!) that had marked all over it "Example only". That one's wing is warped bad. >I'd give their Roland D.VIb a big thumbs up to. My copy had a very clean >moulding - reminds me of the better Airfix products. For what you can do with the Pegasus Roland D.VIb, check out Erik Pilawskii's built one on Al's site. I have been lucky to see this in person, and it is magnificent! The best woodwork I have seen anywhere (yes, even better than King Steve :-)). >I must have been lucky and bought it when the mould was young. Not at all. I honestly think Kevin's LVG was a bad example. That happens, and it seems to happen to me with off-topic Hasegawa. A lot. :-( Matt Bittner _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Aug 1998 21:44:18 -0400 From: Alberto Rada To: wwi Subject: Re: Dark Slate Gray Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980803214418.009e0610@argonaut.net> Hi Flying comrades Thanks a lot for a lot of help on this topic, I was able to find the Humbrol 102 and believe it matches perfectly. I will indulge in a bit off topic. Although I have read a couple of books and have several more technical ones on the stringbag, there is nothing like making the model, this is an aeroplane with such personality that really captivates you. SALUDOS Y GRACIAS Alberto >At 11:51 PM 01-08-98 -0400, you wrote: >>Hi >> >>Although slightly out of topic ( its for a Stringbag ) should be considered >>WW I although did half of the work for the other conflict. >> >>The upper surfaces where camouflaged in this color and in Extra Dark >>Sea Grey ( this one I have ) >> >>I need an equivalent in Humbrol or Aeromaster or Modelmaster, ( enamel ) >>for this color, ( Darke Slate Grey ) or what mix to use. >> >>I know that Xtracolor and Floquil have it, but they are not available in these >>parts of the world >> >>MUCHAS GRACIAS >> >>SALUDOS >> >> >>Alberto >> >> >> ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Aug 1998 21:28:32 -0400 From: Alberto Rada To: wwi Subject: Re: Dark Slate Grey Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980803212832.009ddd30@argonaut.net> Aidrian It was really great help, thanks a lot SALUDOS Alberto At 08:15 PM 03-08-98 -0400, you wrote: >> >> Sir you show your excellent taste in Aeroplanes. I have a chart which >> I'll send you seperately for all the common WWII RAF/RN colours. Anyone >> else need a copy? >> >> Aidrian >> -- >> >> I've learnt by my mistakes and can repeat them perfectly. > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Aug 1998 22:01:03 -0400 From: Alberto Rada To: wwi Subject: Re: Hi, new to the list and a question Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980803220103.009e4e80@argonaut.net> Hi Lorna and Shane Welcome to this list, you'll find in it a bunch of very nice people that indulge in the most incredible subjects, theoretically related with WW 1 Modeling. And although you prefer those funny painted things rather than the more sober PC 10ths and you also prefer the tiny whiny scale BIENVENIDOS Shane ( where have we heard this name before ?) you too sailor, and behave or well make you walk the plank from a Sopwith Pup at 300 ft. SALUDOS Alberto At 03:43 AM 03-08-98 -0400, you wrote: >Hello all, > > My name is Lorna Jenkins and I am new to the list. My principal >interest is in Austro-Hungarian aircraft but I'm a sucker for all those >lovely planes with two wings. Can anyone on the list tell me is there is >a kit available of the Aviatik C.1? Any scale but prefer 1/72. > >Glad to find people who are interested in things other than tailburners. > > Hi, I'm Lorna's husband Shane. I would like to thank Alberto & others >from SMML for pointing us to this list. My interest is mainly ships(any >era), but I dabble in other subjects from time to time. > > BTW Alberto, do you sew WW1 aircraft as well(sorry couldn't resist). >:-) > > All the best: Shane & Lorna Jenkins > > IPMS(NSW) 2093 > APMA 630 committee member > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 22:39:44 -0400 From: "Mike Muth" To: Subject: Re: Clear doped linen Message-ID: <00b201bdbf51$2438cb80$6906bacc@bucky> Damn, I even tried to "think" that one through phonetically! Mike -----Original Message----- From: GRBroman@aol.com To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Monday, August 03, 1998 9:10 AM Subject: Re: Clear doped linen >In a message dated 98-08-02 20:43:52 EDT, you write: > ><< My favorite is Testors Modern Dessert Sand. Mike Muth >> > > >Ah yes, a good dessert sand with a nice chianti after dinner :) Glen > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 22:47:43 -0400 From: "Mike Muth" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Subject: SE5a Decals Message-ID: <019201bdbf52$41774180$6906bacc@bucky> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_018F_01BDBF30.B9C6F080 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Anyone out there know the sheet number for the 56 Sq. SE5a sheet = from Americal? Also the cost. Thanks. Mike Muth ------=_NextPart_000_018F_01BDBF30.B9C6F080 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 20:17:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Hamblen To: wwi Subject: Revell's Morane Saulnier N Message-ID: <19980804031716.10435.rocketmail@send1a.yahoomail.com> Dear Matt, What's wrong with this kit? I don't have any references for this kit, but I dusted one off the unbuilt kit closet just yesterday and was considering doing it as a companion for Toko's Nieuport 11. Any opinions appreciated. Jeff == Jeff Hamblen NKJO-Opole, Poland ham545@yahoo.com _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 20:20:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Hamblen To: wwi Subject: Superscale WWI decals Message-ID: <19980804032045.12214.rocketmail@send1a.yahoomail.com> I haven't had a chance to look in any model stores in the USA for the past couple of years so I didn't realize that these decals are out of print. I went to D&J Hobbies in San Jose, CA today and bought a number of their sheets. They seemed to have a good supply of most of them if anybody is looking for anything in particular. They advertise in Fine Scale Modeller and while they don't have a catalog, they do do mail order if you know what you want. Jeff == Jeff Hamblen NKJO-Opole, Poland ham545@yahoo.com _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Aug 1998 20:26:47 -0700 From: Nigel Rayner To: wwi, Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Pegasus (was Latvian LVG C.VI) Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19980803202647.00731b34@pop.mindspring.com> >The LVG is on my 1/72nd "to Do" list. Cant wait to get my hands on the new >Albatros D.II (Will fill a needed hole in my MvR series) Have not seen it >listed anywhere on the web yet... >>Mikedc Albatros DI/II listed on Hannants site in that funny UK place, 9.36 Sterling export (say around 15 bucks). My first three kits all Pegasus, DIII OEF, DIII and Pfalz (thanks Mike!). Noticeable difference between later kits and earlier (Pfalz dated 1993), but all good. Regards, Nigel R. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 23:38:17 EDT From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi Subject: personality of aircraft wasRe: Dark Slate Gray Message-ID: In a message dated 98-08-03 22:13:24 EDT, you write: << I will indulge in a bit off topic. Although I have read a couple of books and have several more technical ones on the stringbag, there is nothing like making the model, this is an aeroplane with such personality that really captivates you. SALUDOS Y GRACIAS Alberto >> Not sure if it's completely off topic as far as the sentiments go! I have a weird affinity for planes that some folks might consider "ugly", but to me have this "personality" you write of ( not to say your project is ugly!). Projects that may lack streamlining and have a lot of junk hanging in the wind seem to have a lot more personality. I LOVE them there smooth Pfalzes, but to me, an RE 8 or FE2 is just as lovely. Robert K. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 20:41:46 -0700 (PDT) From: bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) To: wwi Subject: Re: WARNING: SOAP BOX MODE ON (was Re: Oshkosh/Dietz/copyright Message-ID: <199808040341.UAA20669@ednet1.orednet.org> > >Bill Shatzer wrote: > >> >>the actual genuine WW1 photo images are either not copyrighted at all or, >> >>if they ever were copyrighted, the copyright has long since expired. > >Educate me here. I thought a copyright was in effect until 50 years >after the date that the copyright holder dies. >Am I mistaken? If not, lots of WWI photos could still be copyrighted. It is my understanding that the life plus fifty-years copyright period applies only to post-1976 works. For pre-1976 stuff, the period of the copyright is a maximum of 75 years - and then only if the copyright was timely renewed. That's what happened with the movie, "It's a Wonderful Life" - someone forgot to renew the copyright and it thus has passed into the public domain even though it only dates from the 40's. It seems unlikely that the copyrights were renewed on many WW1 photographs. In any case, the copyrights should have expired in 1993 at the latest. Warning - I am not a copyright attorney nor do I play one on TV. :-) Cheers and all, -- Bill Shatzer - bshatzer@orednet.org ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 1147 **********************