WWI Digest 1145 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Oshkosh/Dietz/copyright by Dave Watts 2) Re: Rigging Help by Mike Fletcher 3) Re: Dark Slate Grey by Aidrian Bridgeman-Sutton 4) Hi, new to the list and a question by Shane & Lorna Jenkins 5) WARNING: SOAP BOX MODE ON (was Re: Oshkosh/Dietz/copyright by bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) 6) Re: Writing a check to Americal today by mbittner@juno.com 7) Re: Jasta 5 (and copyrights) by "David R.L. Laws" 8) Re:FOTOCut by "David R.L. Laws" 9) Re: Rigging Help by Ernest Thomas 10) Re: Hi, new to the list and a question by Ernest Thomas 11) Re: WARNING: SOAP BOX MODE ON (was Re: Oshkosh/Dietz/copyright by Ernest Thomas 12) Re: Thanks for your opinions by "Jeff Curtis" 13) Re: Revell DH2 (was: Thanks for your opinions) by "Jeff Curtis" 14) Re: Latvian LVG C.VI by "Jeff Curtis" 15) Re: Clear doped linen by "Jeff Curtis" 16) Re: Latvian LVG C.VI by "Jeff Curtis" 17) Re: Latvian LVG C.VI by "Jeff Curtis" 18) Re: Morane Saulnier I by Kenneth Hagerup 19) Pegasus (was Latvian LVG C.VI) by kevinkim@mail.interlog.com (Kevin & Kimberley Barrett) 20) Re: Clear doped linen by GRBroman@aol.com 21) Re: Pegasus (was Latvian LVG C.VI) by Mike Dicianna 22) Brisfit by "Denest, Michael J" 23) RE: Jasta 5 (and copyrights) by fedders 24) Re: Pegasus (was Latvian LVG C.VI) by Suvoroff@aol.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 03 Aug 1998 01:22:35 -0500 From: Dave Watts To: wwi Subject: Re: Oshkosh/Dietz/copyright Message-ID: <199808030623.BAA10910@sam.on-net.net> Bill Shatzer writes: >-snips- > >While I certainly don't approve of anyone "stealing" Jim Dietz's >paintings without permission, I must question Imrie's (and others) >alleged high dudgeon over the photographs. > >Just because someone owns a photograph does not mean that person >owns the copyright on that photograph. The physical photograph >and the copyright on that photograph are two separate things and >possession of a negative or print of a particular photograph does >_not_ necessarily imply ownership of the photographs copyright. >In most cases, the copyright remainds with the original photographer >_unless_ he/she has assigned it to someone else or released it >into the public domain. Certainly the fact that Imrie or someone >else has published a particular photograph in a book or other >publication does not, by itself, give that person any particular >copyright ownership over that particular image. > >In any case, with two exceptions (of reproduction aircraft), all >the photographs in the Schiffer book date from 1918 or earlier. >Any copyrights on these photographs have long since expired, >even assuming that they copyrights were not previously released >into the public domain. And, indeed, almost all the photographs >in the Schiffer book are sharp enough (indeed, mostly the sharpest >set of published triplane photos I've seen - probably the only >real reason for buying the book) Compare the two photos I quoted in my posting about the Dr.I compass deviation table, and see which one is clearer. >that the photos were almost certainly >not reproduced from any publication published by Imrie but were >almost certainly reproduced by separate negatives or prints in >the possession of either Schiffer or one of the two authors. Imrie showed me in his home, a photo that had a stain on it, (not on the negative), and he said how he wasn't happy with the fact that when he printed it in his own book it had a stain. The "funny" thing was that this same stain showed up on the same image in Engel's book. There is only one way that could happen. >I guess my only point on this was to object to the overly restrictive >warning about reproducing photographs. While drawings and paintings >and the like should not be reproduced with the approval of the >creator (or the copyright holder, if different from the creator) >and while the descriptive text of photo-captions is fully copyrighted, >the actual genuine WW1 photo images are either not copyrighted at all or, >if they ever were copyrighted, the copyright has long since expired. The problem that I see is, when I have purchased a personal photo album collection in Germany of a Fokker test pilot from 1913 - 1918 and show it to Peter Grosz, and I loan him one of the albums, and then he prints one of the photos in W.W.I Aero, and says he discovered a photo of a Fokker prototype aircraft thought to exist, but no photographic evidence was known to exist. I think it is possible to have credit given to someone who has purchased the hitherto unknown photographic images. >Genuine WW1 photos may be freely copied and distributed no matter >where you find them. Common courtesy would dictate that one >acknowledge the source of any photos copied and distributed but >copyright considerations do not apply. > I still beg to defer with you, I can not take all the pre 1920 photos out of Datafile book, throw new captions under them, toss in a couple of line drawings, and print a new book. Any other opinions on this? Best Wishes, Dave W. > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 02 Aug 1998 23:21:41 -0700 From: Mike Fletcher To: wwi Subject: Re: Rigging Help Message-ID: <35C556F5.A127FCD2@mars.ark.com> Ernest Thomas wrote: > > Nigel Rayner wrote: > Toying with two options - > > stretched sprue or monofilament fishing wire > > Without starting a controversy similar to that in scale to 1/72 vs 1/48 > > :-), opinions and advice please. > > No controversy at all, everyone knows that 1/48 is better./%] > Seriously, For 1/48, I use mostly guitar string(.008) and I'll use waxed > therad, or fly tying thread for rigging that's supposed to be a wound > cable. Though I found some 2lb fishing line that I want to try out. > Figure that's all it would be good for. /%] > In 1/72, I like transparent thread. It's a very very fine monofilament > that can be found at the fabric store. And if it's too subtle for your > taste, try painting it. It takes paint well. > Good luck > E. > > > > > Many thanks, > > > > Nigel R. My family all use stretched sprue Use clear for 1/72, clear/smoked or silver for 1/48..if your going any larger then real wire actually starts to get into scale fwiw when was the last time you looked at an unretouched picture of a rigged aircraft where the wires really stood out? btw what is 1/144th scale called - and better how do you rig that!? (I have a white metal BE.2a) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Aug 1998 19:02:15 -0700 From: Aidrian Bridgeman-Sutton To: wwi Subject: Re: Dark Slate Grey Message-ID: <35C66BA7.3234@connectorsystems.co.nz> Alberto Rada wrote: > > Hi > > Although slightly out of topic ( its for a Stringbag ) should be considered > WW I although did half of the work for the other conflict. > > The upper surfaces where camouflaged in this color and in Extra Dark > Sea Grey ( this one I have ) > > I need an equivalent in Humbrol or Aeromaster or Modelmaster, ( enamel ) > for this color, ( Darke Slate Grey ) or what mix to use. > > I know that Xtracolor and Floquil have it, but they are not available in these > parts of the world > > MUCHAS GRACIAS > > SALUDOS > > Alberto Sir you show your excellent taste in Aeroplanes. I have a chart which I'll send you seperately for all the common WWII RAF/RN colours. Anyone else need a copy? Aidrian -- I've learnt by my mistakes and can repeat them perfectly. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Aug 1998 17:38:40 -0700 From: Shane & Lorna Jenkins To: wwi Subject: Hi, new to the list and a question Message-ID: <35C65810.703C@tac.com.au> Hello all, My name is Lorna Jenkins and I am new to the list. My principal interest is in Austro-Hungarian aircraft but I'm a sucker for all those lovely planes with two wings. Can anyone on the list tell me is there is a kit available of the Aviatik C.1? Any scale but prefer 1/72. Glad to find people who are interested in things other than tailburners. Hi, I'm Lorna's husband Shane. I would like to thank Alberto & others from SMML for pointing us to this list. My interest is mainly ships(any era), but I dabble in other subjects from time to time. BTW Alberto, do you sew WW1 aircraft as well(sorry couldn't resist). :-) All the best: Shane & Lorna Jenkins IPMS(NSW) 2093 APMA 630 committee member ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 00:50:45 -0700 (PDT) From: bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) To: wwi Subject: WARNING: SOAP BOX MODE ON (was Re: Oshkosh/Dietz/copyright Message-ID: <199808030750.AAA10170@ednet1.orednet.org> Dave Watts writes: -snips- ===SOAP BOX MODE ON!===== >Compare the two photos I quoted in my posting about the Dr.I compass >deviation table, and see which one is clearer. Well, I can't find that photo in Imrie's "The Fokker Triplane" book. Page number? >>that the photos were almost certainly >>not reproduced from any publication published by Imrie but were >>almost certainly reproduced by separate negatives or prints in >>the possession of either Schiffer or one of the two authors. >Imrie showed me in his home, a photo that had a stain on it, (not on the >negative), and he said how he wasn't happy with the fact that when he >printed it in his own book it had a stain. The "funny" thing was that this >same stain showed up on the same image in Engel's book. There is only one >way that could happen. No - the "stain" could be on the original negative and would thus show up on any prints off of that negative. Or, Imrie's print could be a second-generation print made off a "damaged" orginal print. Any other second-generation prints off the same "damaged" original would show the same flaw. But, in any case, ownership of a physical print does _not_ carry with it ownership of the copyright for that print. Had you purchased (from whatever source) the original manuscript of Mark Twain's "Tom Sawyer" that does _not_ give you ownership of the copyright on the novel "Tom Sawyer. The copyright ownership and the manuscript ownership are completely separate. And, your ownership of the manuscript does _not_ preclude anyone else from publishing a copy of the novel - the copyright to which has long since passed into the public domain. >>I guess my only point on this was to object to the overly restrictive >>warning about reproducing photographs. While drawings and paintings >>and the like should not be reproduced with the approval of the >>creator (or the copyright holder, if different from the creator) >>and while the descriptive text of photo-captions is fully copyrighted, >>the actual genuine WW1 photo images are either not copyrighted at all or, >>if they ever were copyrighted, the copyright has long since expired. >The problem that I see is, when I have purchased a personal photo album >collection in Germany of a Fokker test pilot from 1913 - 1918 and show it >to Peter Grosz, and I loan him one of the albums, and then he prints one of >the photos in W.W.I Aero, and says he discovered a photo of a Fokker >prototype aircraft thought to exist, but no photographic evidence was known >to exist. I think it is possible to have credit given to someone who has >purchased the hitherto unknown photographic images. If you wish to restrict Peter Grosz's use of the photographs you loan him, you better include that in a contract between the two of you. And if he _publishes_ those non-copyrighted photos you loan him in violation of your contract, then you can sue _his_ pants off. But, in the meantime, the rest of us are free to use the photos Peter published free from copyright restriction. The copyrights on any photographs created in the pre-1918 era have long since expired, assuming the photographer did not release them to the public domain many, many years ago. >>Genuine WW1 photos may be freely copied and distributed no matter >>where you find them. Common courtesy would dictate that one >>acknowledge the source of any photos copied and distributed but >>copyright considerations do not apply. >I still beg to defer with you, I can not take all the pre 1920 photos out >of Datafile book, throw new captions under them, toss in a couple of line >drawings, and print a new book. Any other opinions on this? Why not? What was the "creative" initiative exerted by the publisher of the Datafile in regards to those photographs? If I were to publish a book tomorrow which included a copy of the Gettysburg Address, Tom Paine's "Common Sense", and Emma Lazurus's Statue of Liberty poem, would I be entitled to forbid others to quote those compositions? Genuine WW1 photographs may be freely copied without regard to the copyright laws. The copyright, if any, has long since expired and, in any case, possession of the original print (or, a copy of the original print) does not equal ownership of the copyright on that print. WW1 research is difficult enough as it is without adding arbitrary restrictions to the distribution of _non-copyrighted_ and _non-copyrightable_ material. ===SOAP BOX MODE OFF==== Cheers and all, -- Bill Shatzer - bshatzer@orednet.org ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 05:14:50 -0500 From: mbittner@juno.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Writing a check to Americal today Message-ID: <19980803.052344.-133129.0.mbittner@juno.com> On Mon, 3 Aug 1998 01:47:18 -0400 REwing@aol.com writes: > I'm going to throw my $0.02 worth on this discussion, too. I was >really >tempted to "me too" a request for the scans and just didn't get to it. > I've >seen the ads for the decals and have an Americal catalogue, but I >haven't >ordered them because I hate ordering blind. I wasn't aware that a >such a >great booklet came with the decals. All this hoopla has peaked my >interest in >making an order this week for the Jasta 5 decals. Are there any other >hidden >treasures that Glen has that I should also order? If you're "into" the Lafayette Escadrille at all, the booklet that comes with the decals is wonderful. The decals leave a lot to be desired, but I would have paid the amount for the booklet only. Matt Bittner _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Aug 1998 11:27:43 +0000 From: "David R.L. Laws" To: wwi Subject: Re: Jasta 5 (and copyrights) Message-ID: <35C59EAE.70DF@webtime.com.au> FROM A LEGAL CORRESPONDANT Shane's copyright comments on " orgiasic "... " me too-ing " are apposite. However, it might also be said, at least where decals are concerned, that since most people on the List lack the means or motivation to make their own transfers/ decals, then the Jasta 5 distribution is really no more than a form of advertising from which the redoudtable Mr Merrils may see revenue which he might not otherwise have seen at all. Having said that and leaving to one side materials that are simply out-of-print or no longer available, I express unequivocal agreement with Shane that if the intent of the recipient is to either evade the cost of purchase of material or ( in the present context, more specifically ) manufacture their own decal materials then the spectre of immorality does enter into it. At the end of the day we are all ( well nearly all ) hobbyists - There have been more than a few complaints on the List at the unavailability of certain materials/ kit subjects - There are a very few commercial entities out there supporting our interest That is something I keep in mind before seeking copies of materials " under the table " Technology is marvellous but, lest we all have a care and abide by the spirit of the concept of " fair use ", the scanner has the potential to kill the goose which lays the golden egg DAVID ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Aug 1998 11:46:38 +0000 From: "David R.L. Laws" To: wwi Subject: Re:FOTOCut Message-ID: <35C5A31D.780F@webtime.com.au> Hi all Is Fotocut still alive and well If so does anyone have a URL / E-mail or snail for them please david ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Aug 1998 06:24:07 -0500 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi Subject: Re: Rigging Help Message-ID: <35C59DD7.2839@bellsouth.net> Mike Fletcher wrote: > btw what is 1/144th scale called - and better how do you rig that!? (I > have a white metal BE.2a) I was planning on stealing a few hairs from my daughter to rig my 144 Dh-4. I'll let you know how it comes out. E. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Aug 1998 06:35:10 -0500 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi Subject: Re: Hi, new to the list and a question Message-ID: <35C5A06E.5C55@bellsouth.net> Howdy Lorna & Shane. Welcome to the list. Sorry, but I don't know if anyone makes that model. But if you're looking for something in 1/72, I would suggest asking that Bittner guy. I hear he likes that puny scale. /%] E. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Aug 1998 06:49:55 -0500 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi Subject: Re: WARNING: SOAP BOX MODE ON (was Re: Oshkosh/Dietz/copyright Message-ID: <35C5A3E3.7D8A@bellsouth.net> Bill Shatzer wrote: > >>the actual genuine WW1 photo images are either not copyrighted at all or, > >>if they ever were copyrighted, the copyright has long since expired. Educate me here. I thought a copyright was in effect until 50 years after the date that the copyright holder dies. Am I mistaken? If not, lots of WWI photos could still be copyrighted. E. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Aug 1998 22:03:12 -0500 From: "Jeff Curtis" To: Subject: Re: Thanks for your opinions Message-ID: <199808031156.GAA05425@indy3.indy.net> I like the idea of adding a web page to collect reviews/opinions on Merlin, or any other kits for that matter. I just pulled out the Breguet Br.14 B2 and the Roland D.II for a side by side comparison. The Roland might actually be slightly better than the Breguet, but both have heavy flash on some of the smaller pieces. There's a bit of warp to the Breguet fuselage too. On the other hand, the Roland actually has some white metal pieces for the engine. I'm also curious about the Pegasus kits. The only one I have is the Fairey Albacore, and it's one of the worst kits I've seen. Extreme warp to one fuselage side, an awful canopy, no interior pieces at all, and very thick sprue attachment points. Are the WW I kits better? Thanks for your thoughts. Jeff ---------- > From: mbittner@juno.com > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Re: Thanks for your opinions > Date: Sunday, August 02, 1998 12:41 PM > > On Sun, 2 Aug 1998 01:08:33 -0400 "Jeff Curtis" > writes: > > > Merlin Models kit #6 - Breguet Br.14 B2 Looks rougher than a cob to > me. > >Are any of these Merlin kits buildable? > > Some say this is one of the best Merlin kits. I haven't seen it, so I > can't comment. Some of the best Merlin kits I have are the W.20 and > Fokker D.VI and W.12. > > > Merlin Models kit #8 - L.F.G. Roland D.II Ditto > > The problem with Merlin is you can't tell when you'll get a good kit, or > one not worth the box it's packed in. From what I have *heard*, most of > the new kits are all bad. The older ones are all hits and misses. Maybe > we (I? :-)) should create a web page and give our opinions of which > Merlins are worth it, and which aren't. > > Again, I have no idea about the Merlin Roland D.II, but there are two > other kits out there bound to be better. If you can find it, Roseplane > made a vac, and Pegasus makes an injected kit. > > > Revell DeHavilland D.H. 2 - Another older kit, but I wouldn't mind > giving > >this one a try. > > IMHO, all Revell's (*except* the Morane-Saulnier Type N) are worth every > penny spent - as long as you're talking pennies, and not gold dubloon's > (sp?)! If you really want a 1/72nd MoS Type N, then buy the Temeks Type > I and convert, or buy the Hora resin. > > > Matt Bittner > > _____________________________________________________________________ > You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. > Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com > Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Aug 1998 22:08:07 -0500 From: "Jeff Curtis" To: Subject: Re: Revell DH2 (was: Thanks for your opinions) Message-ID: <199808031156.GAA05428@indy3.indy.net> I didn't get any box art with the DH2. Just pieces and directions on a bag for $4. Jeff ---------- > From: infosilver@czechia.com > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Re: Revell DH2 (was: Thanks for your opinions) > Date: Sunday, August 02, 1998 2:38 PM > > > On Sun, 2 Aug 1998 10:34:13 -0400 Jeff Curtis wrote: > >Thanks Martin. I would be most interested in the DH2 documentation you > >have. I didn't realize this kit had become such a collector's item, but > >I'll probably build it anyway, especially since I had a bagged version > with > >no box. I also have to give Revell of Germany some credit, the decals > are > >still in perfect condition after all these years. > > I've never seen bagged version of Revell kits before. What is the boxart > like? > I'm very interested in old Revell and Airfix (and to lesser extent ESCI) > boxarts - not these awful built model photos. I have only Revell Camel > and SE-5 and Airfix Hannover Cl.IIIa. > > Cheers! > > Ivan Subrt > > "The air is our sea." Czech proverb. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Aug 1998 22:13:18 -0500 From: "Jeff Curtis" To: Subject: Re: Latvian LVG C.VI Message-ID: <199808031156.GAA05433@indy3.indy.net> There's no mention of 4-color vs 5-color. Guess I'll have to find the LVG C.VI Windsock if I want to get serious about it, or if Blue RIder can be contacted via e-mail, I might be able to ask them directly. ---------- > From: Dr. Phillip Anz-Meador > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: RE: Latvian LVG C.VI > Date: Sunday, August 02, 1998 3:39 PM > > jeff: don't know if anyone has answered this yet, buy there are a couple > of sources for lozenge decals, both upper and lower. if you've followed > the current thread, i'd recommend the americal-gryphon decals. their > address is contained in the archive as well as several of the recent > messages. i've their catalog already and can quote you prices (inc. > shipping), appropriate catalog numbers, etc. if needed. > > one thing you need to verify is whether the lozenge is 4 color or 5 color. > then build on. > > BTW, the B-R booklet does have a nice composite albatross in there, too > (D.III fuesalage + D.V wings if i recall, dark green with white outline on > fuesalage, wings, and tail group). that would make up into a nice model, > and i look forward to future AF special releases from B-R. > > phillip > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jeff Curtis [SMTP:jcurtis@indy.net] > Sent: Sunday, August 02, 1998 10:40 AM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Latvian LVG C.VI > > I have a sheet of the Blue Rider Latvian Air Force decals. It includes > decals for a Sopwith Camel, a Sopwith 1 1/2 Strutter, and the LVG C.VI. I > noticed Sierra and Pegasus kit the LVG C.VI, and I'm contemplating > purchasing one, probably the Pegasus. > > My question, the color specs that come with the Blue Rider decals, just > show a diamond pattern on the wings and rudder listed as upper lozenge > fabric and lower lozenge fabric. These are not included on the decal > sheet. References listed are Aviation News Vol 5 #23 & Vol 7 #11, as well > as Windsock Datafile 17. > > As these lozenge patterns available as decals anywhere, or should I just > forget the Latvian version of the LVG C.VI? > > Jeff ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Aug 1998 22:15:18 -0500 From: "Jeff Curtis" To: Subject: Re: Clear doped linen Message-ID: <199808031156.GAA05438@indy3.indy.net> Thanks for the list Mike, but you left off Latvia. :) Jeff ---------- > From: Mike Fletcher > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Re: Clear doped linen > Date: Sunday, August 02, 1998 3:54 PM > > the colour depends at least in part on which country the aircraft > belongs to or was built/covered by. from what I have read these are the > impression I get as to what the colours might have been: > > British CDL was a pale off white (tinge of beige) > French was initially any of > slightly light yellow > similar to British > slightly yellower colour than the british (also on British) > Later it got darker and became ecru - a light orange brown > Russian was grey with a hint perhaps of yellow > Early German was like French > Late German was like Russian but slighly less grey > Austro-Hungarian used a very translucent fabric > probably like French yellowish beige off white colour ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Aug 1998 22:25:03 -0500 From: "Jeff Curtis" To: Subject: Re: Latvian LVG C.VI Message-ID: <199808031156.GAA05446@indy3.indy.net> Now that's some great information, Martin. The Blue Rider decals are indeed for that airplane. They have the 24 in black with a white outline. It species natural metal for the fuselage, with the struts and landing gear being white. Jeff > > > I have the Datafile open in front of me. There is just one b/w photo of a > crashed, or partly dismatled Latvian C.VI on page 18 with (irritatingly) a > bunch of aviators stood in front of it. > > >From what I can see on the tail fin the lozenge looks like the 4 colour as I > can detect two lozenges eactly side by side in the horizontal plane with the > leading one slightly paler than the trailing one. Above and below (and > between these two) are darker lozenges. To the left (leading side) of the > lower dark lozenge is a lighter one the colour of the trailing lozenge in > the centre row (confused now?). Maybe someone who can tell their 4's from > their 5's can decipher that but it looks like 4 to me. > > I guess the Blue Rider sheet comments are vague because the decals are based > on this one photo and the writer couldn't work it out either! > > The lozenged rudder bears a white-outlined number 24, probably in red. The > fuselage side aft of the passenger's compartment carries a white circle the > diameter being almost the chord of the fuselage with a red 45degree angled > swastika on. The lower wing that is in view has a white square with the > swastika on (a large white square covering the whole wing chord as borne by > early war German a/c). > > The fuselage side appears mottled and I wonder if the whole fuselage isn't > lozenged too. The phot is annoyingly not very clear (aren't they all?). > > BTW the Datafile is superb. Strongly recommended. Lots of excellent engine > close-ups and cockpit interior shots (both driver and passenger) from the > Shuttleworth example (7189/18) as well as the static one in Brussels. > > HTH > Martin ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 07:00:15 -0500 From: "Jeff Curtis" To: Subject: Re: Latvian LVG C.VI Message-ID: <199808031157.GAA05451@indy3.indy.net> Thanks for the heads up. Too bitter? I don't think so. I have a Pegasus Fairey Albacore that is easily the worst kit I ever bought, but I was really hoping they had improved over the years. They don't even have the advantage of being cheap, either. Jeff ---------- > From: Kevin & Kimberley Barrett > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Re: Latvian LVG C.VI > Date: Sunday, August 02, 1998 6:42 PM > > Jeff writes: > > I > >noticed Sierra and Pegasus kit the LVG C.VI, and I'm contemplating > >purchasing one, probably the Pegasus. > > > > > Jeff, > > I haven't seen the Sierra vac offering, but I'm guessing it's an easier > build than the Pegasus. Terrible kit with warped, asymetrical fuselage > halves, cutouts that don't line up and cabane struts of the wrong > dimension. If you wrestle with it long enough, the kit will eventually go > together, but the anguish really isn't worth it. > > Hmmm, was that too bitter? > > Kevin Barrett. > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Aug 1998 06:52:11 -0500 From: Kenneth Hagerup To: wwi Subject: Re: Morane Saulnier I Message-ID: <35C5A46B.3722@prodigy.net> Jeff Curtis wrote: > > I did not even receive the bad decals with either one of my kits. Were the > decals suitable for scanning so you might have an opportunity to print them > out on some good decal paper? Anyway, you've given me some other things to > look for. Who distributes those NKr decals. > > Jeff NKR is a mai order outfit from Australia. The owner is Earl Martell and I've always received first rate service from him. The MS Type I I bought from NKR had decals printed by MPD which look very similar to those by Propagateam. If anyone would like a scan of the decals, let me know. NKR's web page: http://www.ballarat.net.au/nkrmodels/index.htm Ken ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 09:06:10 -0500 From: kevinkim@mail.interlog.com (Kevin & Kimberley Barrett) To: wwi Subject: Pegasus (was Latvian LVG C.VI) Message-ID: >Thanks for the heads up. Too bitter? I don't think so. I have a Pegasus >Fairey Albacore that is easily the worst kit I ever bought, but I was >really hoping they had improved over the years. They don't even have the >advantage of being cheap, either. > >Jeff > Jeff, Don't get me wrong. Pegasus does some great kits, it's just that the LVG wasn't one of them. Kevin Barrett. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 09:09:52 EDT From: GRBroman@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Clear doped linen Message-ID: <5ebd1047.35c5b6a1@aol.com> In a message dated 98-08-02 20:43:52 EDT, you write: << My favorite is Testors Modern Dessert Sand. Mike Muth >> Ah yes, a good dessert sand with a nice chianti after dinner :) Glen ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Aug 1998 06:14:29 +0000 From: Mike Dicianna To: wwi Subject: Re: Pegasus (was Latvian LVG C.VI) Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19980803061429.006cba9c@proaxis.com> At 09:04 AM 8/3/98 -0400, you wrote: >>Thanks for the heads up. Too bitter? I don't think so. I have a Pegasus >>Fairey Albacore that is easily the worst kit I ever bought, but I was >>really hoping they had improved over the years. They don't even have the >>advantage of being cheap, either. >> >>Jeff >> > > >Jeff, > >Don't get me wrong. Pegasus does some great kits, it's just that the LVG >wasn't one of them. > >Kevin Barrett. > >I have two of the Albatros DV kits by pegasus...Not bad at all, better than some of the earlier issues. Tree trunk sprue attachments not withstanding. One thing I have learned in the WWI World...There are some kits out there that will require some major work to produce a outstanding finished product. I do still have a spare Sopwith 1 1/2 Strutter from pegasus if anyone is interested in trading for it. Mikedc > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 09:26:19 -0400 From: "Denest, Michael J" To: "'WW1 Mailing list'" Subject: Brisfit Message-ID: <31E6187EA8D0D111ACFE00805FE643DC74AE9C@xch-phl-06.he.boeing.com> Go to http://www.battlecreek.net/volare/alamo/plans.htm for three views and pictures of the Bristol Fighter. Mike ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 08:27:04 -0500 (CDT) From: fedders To: wwi Cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: RE: Jasta 5 (and copyrights) Message-ID: On Sun, 2 Aug 1998, Shane Weier wrote: > Hello all, > > At the risk of being flamed yet again , and of being even further > thought a spoilsport and whinger, can I ask if anyone other than me is > the least bit uncomfortable about the orgy of Jasta 5 goodies being > shipped hither and yon at the moment? I know Glen and agree with Shanes note. No doubt, Glen is one of us and barely breaks even. peter > > Before the fairly recent proliferation of scanners this list was already > a wonderful source of research material. One need just ask, and someone, > somewhere, would snail mail a xerox of a relevant photo, drawing or > chunk of text. This is legal of course, being "fair usage for the > purpose of research" > > Now one need only post a "me too" to receive the entire contents of a > copyright work, gratis. This on the other hand is illegal, and worse > than that, immoral. > > My Jasta 5 decals cost me US$25, and I've never used one of them. But > they're worth every cent to me for the diligence and accuracy of Glen > Merrills research, and the concise summary the booklet provides. But > thanks to the 20+ "me too" messages that hit the list in the last few > days, and perhaps another few who took their response off line, I figure > that Americal may have lost a potential $500 in revenue. > > Glen is not making a fortune from this - merely paying his costs so that > he can continue researching and publishing yet more of this stuff. His > audience, the community of WW1 modellers, is small and what we are doing > is little better than theft from one of our own. > > If you think that's too strong ask Bob Pearson (generous to a fault with > his own work) whether he'd like us to randomly publish his work, or > Barry Stettler (likewise a helpful and generous member of the list) > whether he'd like some of Rosemonts resin kits copied and handed about > the list for free. There's a very nice conversion kit recently released > that might make a cheaper bootleg edition too - if Eric doesn't mind. > > I should point out that even though I have his email address, and have > often corresponded with him, I have not spoken with Glen Merrill about > this. What worries me is - has anyone else? > > I have not posted this lightly, nor without agonising over it for > several days. However, as much as I love this forum, and have enjoyed > the good humour and generosity of the denizens, I believe an unthinking > selfishness is creeping into the list. Please, please, try to be > aware of the rights of others, even if simple "convenience" issues like > endless *me too* messages fail to stir you. > > Shane > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 09:28:37 EDT From: Suvoroff@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Pegasus (was Latvian LVG C.VI) Message-ID: <3abcdffd.35c5bb06@aol.com> "I do still have a spare Sopwith 1 1/2 Strutter from pegasus if anyone is interested in trading for it." Quick! Unload those Pegasus strutters before the Toko ones come out! (Sorry, could not help myself.) Yours, James D. Gray ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 1145 **********************