WWI Digest 1137

Topics covered in this issue include:

  1) RE: Backhausen Update + dark rib tapes
	by Pedro e Francisca Soares <pnsoares@mail.telepac.pt>
  2) RE: Goering Aicraft
	by Shane Weier <SDW@qld.mim.com.au>
  3) Re: Roland C.II Walfisch
	by martinsc@pipemedia.co.uk (Martin Soilleux-Cardwell)
  4) Re: Fw: FS WINDSOCK DATAFILES
	by martinsc@pipemedia.co.uk (Martin Soilleux-Cardwell)
  5) Re: announcing...
	by Mick Fauchon <ulmjf@dewey.newcastle.edu.au>
  6) Re: announcing...
	by Mick Fauchon <ulmjf@dewey.newcastle.edu.au>
  7) Re: announcing...
	by Mick Fauchon <ulmjf@dewey.newcastle.edu.au>
  8) The Mad Scanner Goofed!
	by Mike Dicianna <mikedc@proaxis.com>
  9) Re: Nieuport "Outlines"
	by Mike Fletcher <mdf@mars.ark.com>
 10) Re: Backhausen Update + dark rib tapes
	by Mike Fletcher <mdf@mars.ark.com>
 11) Re: Fishing for Roland (C.II)  drawings
	by Mike Dicianna <mikedc@proaxis.com>
 12) Re: announcing...
	by Mike Fletcher <mdf@mars.ark.com>
 13) Re: Boom Blues
	by "David R.L. Laws" <laws@webtime.com.au>
 14) LOUVRES ( REVISITED )
	by "David R.L. Laws" <laws@webtime.com.au>
 15) Re:Goering Aicraft
	by Joey Valenciano <joeyval@philonline.com.ph>
 16) Re: Jasta 5
	by Joey Valenciano <joeyval@philonline.com.ph>
 17) Black Alb.D.V/Va's
	by Joey Valenciano <joeyval@philonline.com.ph>
 18) Re: announcing...
	by Kenneth Hagerup <hagerupk@prodigy.net>
 19) Re: Jasta 5
	by KarrArt@aol.com
 20) This should tickle ya!
	by Mick Fauchon <ulmjf@dewey.newcastle.edu.au>
 21) Re: Backhausen Update + dark rib tapes
	by mbittner@juno.com
 22) Re: Re:Goering Aicraft
	by "Mike Muth" <bucky@ptd.net>
 23) Re: Jasta 5
	by "David R.L. Laws" <laws@webtime.com.au>
 24) RPM Ft 17
	by "Leonard Endy" <lfendy@firstsaga.com>
 25) Re: announcing...
	by r_niles@juno.com (Russell W Niles)
 26) jasta 5
	by Joey Valenciano <joeyval@philonline.com.ph>
 27) Re: jasta 5
	by Ernest Thomas <ethomas6@bellsouth.net>
 28) Thanks...
	by Ernest Thomas <ethomas6@bellsouth.net>
 29) Re: jasta 5
	by dandk@mediaone.net
 30) Re: Boom Blues
	by Ernest Thomas <ethomas6@bellsouth.net>
 31) Re: Jasta 5
	by Graham Nash <graham.nash@citicorp.com>
 32) jasta 5
	by Joey Valenciano <joeyval@philonline.com.ph>

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Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 22:13:06 +0200
From: Pedro e Francisca Soares <pnsoares@mail.telepac.pt>
To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" <wwi>
Subject: RE: Backhausen Update + dark rib tapes
Message-ID: <01BDBC0D.006BBF60@fei1-p15.telepac.pt>



-----Original Message-----
From:	mbittner@juno.com [SMTP:mbittner@juno.com]
Sent:	Thursday, July 30, 1998 12:23 PM
To:	Multiple recipients of list
Subject:	Re: Backhausen Update + dark rib tapes

Matt, commenting on Shane, wrote:

It appears *to my eyes* that on MoS Type N's, the "batten" (isn't this
what it was called? the wood strips) appears to be left natural wood.=20
Again, only to my eyes.


Matt Bittner

The Morane T1 (1913) at le Bourget has black wood strips (as far as I =
can tell from my photos) while the Deperdussin B (1911) has natural wood =
strips.

HTH

Pedro

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Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 08:14:25 +1000
From: Shane Weier <SDW@qld.mim.com.au>
To: wwi
Subject: RE: Goering Aicraft
Message-ID: <199807302230.IAA10588@mimmon.mim.com.au>

Bob,

>Instead of Goering, say it is von Tutschek's Albatros. He also used a
black
>Albatros with white spinner

and since you have mentioned von Tutschecks machine, and others have
mentioned A-G's Jasta 5 sheets, I'd like to recommend their JG2 series
each of which comes with an instruction booklet worth the admission
price by itself - and one of which includes von Tutscecks machine (IIRC
Jastas 12, 13, 15 so far, lots of Albatrii, Fokkers Dr.I, D.VII, some
SSW's, other odds and ends like Pfalz and early Fokkers, all
interesting. Build the lot - but with 20+ aircraft per pack you'll need
a few Jastas of kits)

Shane

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Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 23:55:51 +0100
From: martinsc@pipemedia.co.uk (Martin Soilleux-Cardwell)
To: wwi
Subject: Re: Roland C.II Walfisch
Message-ID: <19980730235551.a75164cf27a111d2b577004f4b00cee4.in@mailrelay.pipemedia.net>

>Linke-Hoffman built aircraft - designated C.IIa-  first
>appeared at the Front in August of 1916 and was beginning to be
>withdrawn by November of that year, after which time it was used in
>training squadrons.

Thanks, that helps. I have the old Profile number 163, which states that
front line use continued up to about June 1917. 

Does that date sound right?

Martin


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Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 23:55:43 +0100
From: martinsc@pipemedia.co.uk (Martin Soilleux-Cardwell)
To: wwi
Subject: Re: Fw: FS WINDSOCK DATAFILES
Message-ID: <19980730235543.a75164c727a111d2b577004f4b00cee4.in@mailrelay.pipemedia.net>

>>From r.m.s.
>
>>
>>WINDSOCK DATAFILES for Sale
>>All in excellent condition; must sell soon.
>> $8 each+postage
>>
I have enquired already - all sold!

Martin


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Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 09:10:00 +1000 (EST)
From: Mick Fauchon <ulmjf@dewey.newcastle.edu.au>
To: wwi
Cc: Multiple recipients of list <wwi>
Subject: Re: announcing...
Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9807310901.A14809-0100000@dewey.newcastle.edu.au>



	Ern,

> Henry Falstaff Thomas
> 7-30-98 2:07am
> 7lbs, 14 oz.
> 20 in.
> 
> Everyone happy, tired and healthy./%}


	Heartiest congratulations! Regards all round.


							Mick.


	

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Reference Section, Auchmuty Library   | Ph  (intl+61+49) 215861
University of Newcastle, AUSTRALIA    | Fax (intl+61+49) 215833

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Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 09:14:08 +1000 (EST)
From: Mick Fauchon <ulmjf@dewey.newcastle.edu.au>
To: wwi
Cc: Multiple recipients of list <wwi>
Subject: Re: announcing...
Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9807310901.B14809-0100000@dewey.newcastle.edu.au>





> Congratulations--so how about posting pics of Cuban stoagies for your =
> cyberspace list buddies? ;-)


	PICS!?



							Mick.



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Reference Section, Auchmuty Library   | Ph  (intl+61+49) 215861
University of Newcastle, AUSTRALIA    | Fax (intl+61+49) 215833

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     M                                                                   M
     M	Yosemite Sam   : "Cut out that Army talk!..Yer in the Navy now!" M
     M                                                                   M
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Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 09:35:48 +1000 (EST)
From: Mick Fauchon <ulmjf@dewey.newcastle.edu.au>
To: wwi
Cc: Multiple recipients of list <wwi>
Subject: Re: announcing...
Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9807310902.C14809-0100000@dewey.newcastle.edu.au>




> My all nighter (daughter) is now up to my nose. (and growing!)


	My all-nighter [i.e. cried all night for two years] is now up to
my nose too.....and I'm 6'2"! However, she's 22, and no longer at home 80)


								Mick.




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Mick Fauchon                          | Internet: ulmjf@dewey.newcastle.edu.au
Reference Section, Auchmuty Library   | Ph  (intl+61+49) 215861
University of Newcastle, AUSTRALIA    | Fax (intl+61+49) 215833

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     M                                                                   M
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     M                                                                   M
     MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM



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Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 16:38:23 +0000
From: Mike Dicianna <mikedc@proaxis.com>
To: wwi
Subject: The Mad Scanner Goofed!
Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19980730163823.00672d50@proaxis.com>

I think I made the file name too long for my server.  It droped the JPG off
the end, this may be why it is weird.

The pictures are worth it though try these html's

If you still cant get them, I will email to anyone who asks for them.

sheepishly,
Mikedc

http://www.proaxis.com/~dicianna/c111nose.JPG

http://www.proaxis.com/~dicianna/c111nose2.JPG


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Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 16:40:18 -0700
From: Mike Fletcher <mdf@mars.ark.com>
To: wwi
Subject: Re: Nieuport "Outlines"
Message-ID: <35C10462.5FB4369E@mars.ark.com>

did he ever do the other French Camouflage schemes? I only ever saw the
ones on the late war four colour scheme.

from what I have found Nie.11s were CDL or 2 colour camouflage (later
machine) on uppers (brown and green) OR if they were Russian built they
wore their own version of CDL which was a very greyish colour. Also some
may have had the single dark colour on the uppersurfaces much as many of
the Nieuport 10 fighters had...the only example off the top of my head
is an RNAS machine though it could possibly have been PC10 or painted
locally. Some of the later Russian N.16 may have been silver but these
were late survivors and IMHO unlikely to have been originally doped that
way and I have found no evidence that any N.11s were silver doped (of
course that doesn't mean that none were but...).

Mike Fletcher

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Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 16:51:54 -0700
From: Mike Fletcher <mdf@mars.ark.com>
To: wwi
Subject: Re: Backhausen Update + dark rib tapes
Message-ID: <35C1071A.CA85DE3F@mars.ark.com>

MoS used strips of cane on the inboard ribs nailed over the fabric...but
as far as I have seen didn't dope the rib tapes like Pfalz

Techniques like these tended to differ from one manufacturer to another
and between countries as well so there may very well have been others in
France who did this (don't recall seeing any though).

Mike Fletcher

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Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 17:14:24 +0000
From: Mike Dicianna <mikedc@proaxis.com>
To: wwi
Subject: Re: Fishing for Roland (C.II)  drawings
Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19980730171424.006b7634@proaxis.com>

At 01:46 AM 7/30/98 -0400, you wrote:
>Who would like to qualify for the next Good Joe award by sending me a
>scan of up-to-date C.II drawings, or loaning me a datafile? I've decided
>to do my penance for a recent off-topic project by torturing myself with
>a Merlin Walfisch. Also, if there are optional exhaust manifolds in the
>Blue Max kit, I'm offering a couple bucks for any spares/leftovers.
>
>Solicitously,
>
>Riordan
>
>I have the Windsock Roland C.II book.  Give me a while and I will scan them
for you tonight.  And for anybody else who requests them off list.

The Mad Scanner,

Mikedc


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Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 17:21:36 -0700
From: Mike Fletcher <mdf@mars.ark.com>
To: wwi
Subject: Re: announcing...
Message-ID: <35C10E10.A821B60B@mars.ark.com>

Congrats

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Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 10:43:46 +0000
From: "David R.L. Laws" <laws@webtime.com.au>
To: wwi
Subject: Re: Boom Blues
Message-ID: <35C19FE2.32F3@webtime.com.au>

Hi all

Yjinking ( from time to time ) of doing a throughly boomed up pusher and
have had notions of doing tiny "T" pieces out of brass tube or some
similar material


Does one have to use silver solder ? Anyone with a methodology they'd
like to share for soldering work in very small items ( PLEASE ) 

DAVID

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Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 11:10:58 +0000
From: "David R.L. Laws" <laws@webtime.com.au>
To: wwi
Subject: LOUVRES ( REVISITED )
Message-ID: <35C1A642.1A59@webtime.com.au>

Hi to all

I have long pondered on opening up moulded louvres but have ( I dare say
like many of you ) either mucked up attempts ( & with it the kit ) or
decided it wass just too hard - The real problem has always been finding
a suitable impliment

SEARCH NO MORE !  It can be done - I have successfully opened up the
vent louvres on the M/g cover plates of Bristol Bulldog ( Inpact/
Lindberg ) These little suckers are tiny too !!!

You require the patience of a spider and a very steady hand but here's
how it's done

1.	thin the  INNER surface below the moulded louvres ( I used the end of
a jeweller's file ( round in section BTW ) AND BE CAREFUL !!! NOT TOO
THIN !! Hold the work up to the light or light scource as you go The
axiom is always you can take it off but once it's cut you cann't put
material back ( at least not without a lot of trouble )

2. take the secret ingredient A FINE SYRINGE - Note the sharpness of the
point, the steep angle of the point and the razor sharpness of the sides
of the point, these features are the essential elements of the required
tool 

3.	 FROM HERE ON IN ITS MAINLY A MATTER OF VERY PATIENT SCRAPING - work
slowly ! start by gentley pressing the point of the tool into the centre
of the blocked over louvre opening and then make 2-4 lighter point
impressions towards the sides of the desired opening, then scratch out
the material between the indentations and repeat until you are through
to the other side ...


Cann't emphasise enough the need to TAKE IT SLOWLY 
Don't use excessive pressure either, especially as you get near the
inner side - You'll "break through" quite quickly enough when youv'e
chipped out enough material

The Result is very, very pleasing and it adds just one more element of
realism

NOW TO RESOLVE THE GREAT BUG-BEAR - rigging fittings !

hope this helps all

DAVID

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Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 09:06:48 +0800
From: Joey Valenciano <joeyval@philonline.com.ph>
To: wwi
Subject: Re:Goering Aicraft
Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19980731090648.00b58dfc@philonline.com.ph>


> Yep...I had the same problem, but finally got around to doing the one with
>the black fuselage and white spinner. Looks cool, even if Fat Herman was=
 the
>pilot.=20

Back then he wasn't fat, pretty athletic, mountain climber, etc.

But Udet has a short anecdote about the man, Armand van Ishoven writes:

      In these last days of the war Udet finally had an opportunity to get
to know the
Geschwader-commander, G=F6ring. He flew with him to visit Jagdstaffel 90,
commanded by Oberleutnant Rudolf Nebel, equipped with Pfalz D VIII's. Nebel
had once served alongside G=F6ring in a Staffel and had little time for his
autocratic manner. He therefore ordered his chief mechanic to 'keep a
watchful eye'. The man took him at his word and when, after landing, G=F6rin=
g
ordered him to have a car brought round, the mechanic calmly told G=F6ring
that he would need to ask Nebel first, and stuck to this even when G=F6ring
threatened him with a court-martial. As commander of a Jagdgeschwader
G=F6ring was too proud to ask a mere Staffel-Leader for permission, and
therefore walked the six kilometres to the nearest town which was his
actual destination. As Udet later said to a friend: 'You know Hermann. If
he doesn't want to, he won't. He'd rather walk'...=20


*********************************************************************

Joey Valenciano               WW1 modeller, teacher, jazz musician,=20
joeyval@philonline.com.       sitarist=20
Metro-Manila, Philippines

            "The more you know, the more you don't know."

*********************************************************************


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Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 08:52:30 +0800
From: Joey Valenciano <joeyval@philonline.com.ph>
To: wwi
Subject: Re: Jasta 5
Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19980731085230.00b58dfc@philonline.com.ph>


>The Americal sheet has a nice booklet about Jasta 5 that comes with it. I
>did Hansie's dragon ship in 1:72 from that sheet. They also do 1:48. I can
>heartily recommend Americal/Gryphon.

Time to chime in here:

I've reformatted the Americal instruction booklet, the supplement booklet,
and added a photo of a Jasta 5 flightlint (from Sq/Sig), into html format.
Now, I can view all the text and line drawing profiles in my web browser.

I can share this with the list if anyone wants it. Will there be any legal
problems involved?

Very much info! I think Americal should start turning their research data
into books.

BTW, anyone have the other 3 photos (4 are known to exist) taken of the
flightline? The one I have from the Sq/Sig book is the one taken from the
tower, showing the right, front sides of the planes.


*********************************************************************

Joey Valenciano               WW1 modeller, teacher, jazz musician, 
joeyval@philonline.com.       sitarist 
Metro-Manila, Philippines

            "The more you know, the more you don't know."

*********************************************************************


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Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 09:09:32 +0800
From: Joey Valenciano <joeyval@philonline.com.ph>
To: wwi
Subject: Black Alb.D.V/Va's
Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19980731090932.00b58dfc@philonline.com.ph>

At 06:02 PM 7/30/98 -0400, you wrote:
>
>Instead of Goering, say it is von Tutschek's Albatros. He also used a black
>Albatros with white spinner

You like black?
Udet flew one with a white chevron on the nose.
Jacobs flew one with thin diagon stripes on the fuselage and 4 crosses on
the top wing!!


*********************************************************************

Joey Valenciano               WW1 modeller, teacher, jazz musician, 
joeyval@philonline.com.       sitarist 
Metro-Manila, Philippines

            "The more you know, the more you don't know."

*********************************************************************


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Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 20:32:26 -0500
From: Kenneth Hagerup <hagerupk@prodigy.net>
To: wwi
Subject: Re: announcing...
Message-ID: <35C11EAA.452@prodigy.net>

Bravo Zulu!

Ken

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Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 21:41:12 EDT
From: KarrArt@aol.com
To: wwi
Subject: Re: Jasta 5
Message-ID: <ad0eb8d.35c120ba@aol.com>

In a message dated 98-07-30 21:36:57 EDT, you write:

<< BTW, anyone have the other 3 photos (4 are known to exist) taken of the
 flightline? The one I have from the Sq/Sig book is the one taken from the
 tower, showing the right, front sides of the planes. >>

give me a millenium or two to look and I'll see. I know I've got the one that
shows the cow ( or possibly bull- hard to tell form the distance and angle!)
guarding the line up
Robert K.

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Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 11:52:33 +1000 (EST)
From: Mick Fauchon <ulmjf@dewey.newcastle.edu.au>
To: WW1Av <wwi>
Subject: This should tickle ya!
Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9807311140.B17052-0100000@dewey.newcastle.edu.au>



	Hi, guys!

		Probably strictly off-topic, but it thought you'd all
enjoy this one: got it from a mate of mine this morning.



Men think computers should be referred to as females, just like ships
because:
1.   No one but the creator understands their internal logic.
2.   The language they use to communicate with other computers is
incomprehensible to everyone else.
3.   The message "bad command or file name" is about as informative as "If
you don't know why I'm mad at you,
I'm certainly not going to tell you."
4.   Your smallest mistakes are stored in long-term memory for later
retrieval.
5.   As soon as you make a commitment to one, you find yourself spending
half your paycheck on accessories for it.


Women think computers should be referred to as male.  Here's why:
1.   They have a lot of data, but they are still clueless.
2.   They are supposed to help you solve problems, but half of the time,
they are the problem.
3.   As soon as you commit to one, you realize if you had waited a little
longer, you could have obtained a better model.
4.   In order to get their attention, you have to turn them on.
5.   A big power surge will knock them out for the rest of the night.


	Enjoy..........!


								Mick.





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Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 21:00:45 -0500
From: mbittner@juno.com
To: wwi
Subject: Re: Backhausen Update + dark rib tapes
Message-ID: <19980730.210446.-110129.0.mbittner@juno.com>

On Thu, 30 Jul 1998 19:58:55 -0400 Mike Fletcher <mdf@mars.ark.com>
writes:

>MoS used strips of cane on the inboard ribs nailed over the 
>fabric...but
>as far as I have seen didn't dope the rib tapes like Pfalz

What I have found (since I'm in the middle of building one) is that the
MoS Type I actually has tapes, instead of the "batten" found on Type N's.


Matt Bittner

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Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 22:03:43 -0400
From: "Mike Muth" <bucky@ptd.net>
To: <wwi>
Subject: Re: Re:Goering Aicraft
Message-ID: <004c01bdbc27$728c84c0$4d06bacc@bucky>

Good story!
Mike
-----Original Message-----
From: Joey Valenciano <joeyval@philonline.com.ph>
To: Multiple recipients of list <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
Date: Thursday, July 30, 1998 9:37 PM
Subject: Re:Goering Aicraft


>
>> Yep...I had the same problem, but finally got around to doing the one
with
>>the black fuselage and white spinner. Looks cool, even if Fat Herman was=
> the
>>pilot.=20
>
>Back then he wasn't fat, pretty athletic, mountain climber, etc.
>
>But Udet has a short anecdote about the man, Armand van Ishoven writes:
>
>      In these last days of the war Udet finally had an opportunity to get
>to know the
>Geschwader-commander, G=F6ring. He flew with him to visit Jagdstaffel 90,
>commanded by Oberleutnant Rudolf Nebel, equipped with Pfalz D VIII's. Nebel
>had once served alongside G=F6ring in a Staffel and had little time for his
>autocratic manner. He therefore ordered his chief mechanic to 'keep a
>watchful eye'. The man took him at his word and when, after landing,
G=F6rin=
>g
>ordered him to have a car brought round, the mechanic calmly told G=F6ring
>that he would need to ask Nebel first, and stuck to this even when G=F6ring
>threatened him with a court-martial. As commander of a Jagdgeschwader
>G=F6ring was too proud to ask a mere Staffel-Leader for permission, and
>therefore walked the six kilometres to the nearest town which was his
>actual destination. As Udet later said to a friend: 'You know Hermann. If
>he doesn't want to, he won't. He'd rather walk'...=20
>
>
>*********************************************************************
>
>Joey Valenciano               WW1 modeller, teacher, jazz musician,=20
>joeyval@philonline.com.       sitarist=20
>Metro-Manila, Philippines
>
>            "The more you know, the more you don't know."
>
>*********************************************************************
>
>


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Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 12:16:51 +0000
From: "David R.L. Laws" <laws@webtime.com.au>
To: wwi
Subject: Re: Jasta 5
Message-ID: <35C1B5B4.143@webtime.com.au>

Joey

Count me in Please !

DAVID

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Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 02:19:59 GMT
From: "Leonard Endy" <lfendy@firstsaga.com>
To: wwi
Subject: RPM Ft 17
Message-ID: <35c3291e.3338052@legend.firstsaga.com>

I just love when I get home from work and the postal folks have
delivered some new kit to my door. This time it's the new Renault Ft17
from RPM models.

Only had time to take a cursory look but it appears to be molded
really well, only a very slight amount of flash visible through the
plastic bags.

Will get a better look over the weekend and pass my observations on.

Till then...

Len


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Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 22:34:12 EDT
From: r_niles@juno.com (Russell W Niles)
To: wwi
Subject: Re: announcing...
Message-ID: <19980730.193624.9799.1.r_niles@juno.com>

On Thu, 30 Jul 1998 05:57:04 -0400 Ernest Thomas <ethomas6@bellsouth.net>
writes:
>Henry Falstaff Thomas
>7-30-98 2:07am
>7lbs, 14 oz.
>20 in.
>
>Everyone happy, tired and healthy./%}
>
WAY COOL.

Many congratulations to Mother, Baby and Dad.

Russ Niles IPMS 4450

Too cvlose for missles....switching to guns.

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Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 11:23:57 +0800
From: Joey Valenciano <joeyval@philonline.com.ph>
To: wwi
Subject: jasta 5
Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19980731112357.006cba00@philonline.com.ph>

The Jasta 5 list is growing.

Nice to know that this reformatting the instruction sheets (which I
originally did for myself alone) will be shared with all of you.
To all those interested, please let me know soonest.

I'll be sending to all in about 12 hours.


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Joey Valenciano               WW1 modeller, teacher, jazz musician, 
joeyval@philonline.com.       sitarist 
Metro-Manila, Philippines

            "The more you know, the more you don't know."

*********************************************************************


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Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 22:42:10 -0500
From: Ernest Thomas <ethomas6@bellsouth.net>
To: wwi
Subject: Re: jasta 5
Message-ID: <35C13D12.4FB0@bellsouth.net>

Joey Valenciano wrote:

> To all those interested, please let me know soonest.

me me me... tia.

Nuclear Dad

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Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 23:07:52 -0500
From: Ernest Thomas <ethomas6@bellsouth.net>
To: wwi
Subject: Thanks...
Message-ID: <35C14318.7FB1@bellsouth.net>

Hey Everybody, 
Thanks for all the good wishes and what-not over Young Prince Hal. 
Sorry for not having any cigars, but that's all I would need to start
smoking again. ;-)

So... I was thinking 1/72 Junkers D-1's as first kits.
E.

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Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 21:20:46 -0700
From: dandk@mediaone.net
To: wwi
Subject: Re: jasta 5
Message-ID: <35C1461D.1842D357@mediaone.net>

Hi Joey,
     Me too please...
Thanks,
Dave Sterner

Joey Valenciano wrote:

> The Jasta 5 list is growing.
>
> Nice to know that this reformatting the instruction sheets (which I
> originally did for myself alone) will be shared with all of you.
> To all those interested, please let me know soonest.
>
> I'll be sending to all in about 12 hours.
>
> *********************************************************************
>
> Joey Valenciano               WW1 modeller, teacher, jazz musician,
> joeyval@philonline.com.       sitarist
> Metro-Manila, Philippines
>
>             "The more you know, the more you don't know."
>
> *********************************************************************




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Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 23:55:43 -0500
From: Ernest Thomas <ethomas6@bellsouth.net>
To: wwi
Subject: Re: Boom Blues
Message-ID: <35C14E4F.3080@bellsouth.net>

David R.L. Laws wrote:

> Does one have to use silver solder ? Anyone with a methodology they'd
> like to share for soldering work in very small items ( PLEASE )

Here's the little bit I know.
1)Solder flows towards the heat source.
2)Flux helps it do this. 

What this means is a) use flux, and b)always try to have the parts you
are soldering between the heat source and the solder. 

And this will also help. Mix up a solution of alchohol and boric acid. 
Make it a little bit thinner than white glue. The boric acid will
separate and settle, so keep stiring when using. 
coat the assembly with the solution everywhere except the area you plan
to solder. Use a heavier coat at any other solder joints. Then light the
solution on fire to burn away the alchohol. This will leave a white
crust of boric acid coating the parts. Repeat this process until the
parts have good thick coating. 
This coating will keep the areas not being soldered cool, preventing
joints soldered earlier from poping loose from the the heat. 
Good luck. It's not all that hard once you get the hang of it. 
E.

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Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 08:46:02 +0100
From: Graham Nash <graham.nash@citicorp.com>
To: wwi
Subject: Re: Jasta 5
Message-ID: <199807310746.DAA19772@egate2.citicorp.com>

Paul Schwartzkopf wrote:
> The other Albatros sheet they have is, unfortunately, not available as a =
> scan.

Well, not from Aeromaster, but can be obtained from me with an off-list
e-mail...:^)

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Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 16:10:05 +0800
From: Joey Valenciano <joeyval@philonline.com.ph>
To: wwi
Subject: jasta 5
Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19980731161005.0071cb24@philonline.com.ph>

Hi guys,

So far I have:
tbittners@sprintmail.com
"Graham Nash" <gnash@pop3.citicorp.com>
dandk@mediaone.net
KarrArt@aol.com
Ernest Thomas <ethomas6@bellsouth.net>
"David R.L. Laws" <laws@webtime.com.au>
Bob Pearson <bpearson@kaien.com>
"Peter Crow" <888444222@email.msn.com>
"Fernando E. Lamas, M.D." <lamas@olympus.net>

any more takers?

Good news, aside from the front starboard angle of the flightline I
mentioned, Robert Karr sent me 2 more:
Left sides of the aircraft with a cow standing guard.
Left rear sides of the aircraft.

One more photo missing. If anyone has it, please send to me to be included
in the batch. It would be preferrable if the file is nice and large, 300dpi
or higher would be ideal so that the markings of the planes are recognizeable.


*********************************************************************

Joey Valenciano               WW1 modeller, teacher, jazz musician, 
joeyval@philonline.com.       sitarist 
Metro-Manila, Philippines

            "The more you know, the more you don't know."

*********************************************************************


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