WWI Digest 1136 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: announcing... by aew (Allan Wright) 2) RE: Latest SAMI by "Michal Beran" 3) Klingonese Attachments. by "Steven M. Perry" 4) Re: Latest SAMI by Graham Nash 5) LTA Enthusiasts by Graham Nash 6) Sorry!!! (another profile....) by Joey Valenciano 7) Re: Klingonese Attachments. by "Peter Crow" <888444222@email.msn.com> 8) Re: The mad scanner strikes again ALB C.III by Joey Valenciano 9) Re: announcing... by KarrArt@aol.com 10) Re: announcing... by clynch@denver.net (Cameron Lynch) 11) Re: Eduard Albatros DR.1 by TPTPUMPER@aol.com 12) Re: announcing... by "Paul Schwartzkopf" 13) Jasta 5 by Chris Cato 14) Re: Jasta 5 by "Paul Schwartzkopf" 15) RE: announcing... by Pedro e Francisca Soares 16) Re: announcing... by Ernest Thomas 17) Re: announcing... by Alberto Rada 18) RE: announcing... by "Chris Banyai-Riepl" 19) Re: announcing... by "Richard Eaton" 20) RE: Nieuport "Outlines" by Patrick Padovan 21) Re: announcing... by michel.lefort@ping.be (Michel LEFORT) 22) Re: Jasta 5 by Chris Cato 23) Re: Jasta 5 by Chris Cato 24) Re: announcing... by Allred240Z@aol.com 25) Re: Jasta 5 by "Steven M. Perry" 26) Re: Jasta 5 by TPTPUMPER@aol.com 27) Re: announcing... by "Peter Crow" <888444222@email.msn.com> 28) RE: Backhausen Update + dark rib tapes by Shane Weier 29) RE: Jasta 5 (AND Bavarian AF) by "Dr. Phillip Anz-Meador" 30) RE: Jasta 5 by Shane Weier 31) Re: Jasta 5 (AND Bavarian AF) by Suvoroff@aol.com 32) Re: announcing... by "Mike Muth" 33) RE: Jasta 5 (AND Bavarian AF) by Shane Weier 34) Re:Goering Aicraft by "Mike Muth" 35) Re:Goering Aicraft by Bob Pearson ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 08:24:57 -0400 (EDT) From: aew (Allan Wright) To: wwi Subject: Re: announcing... Message-ID: <199807301224.IAA29933@pease1.sr.unh.edu> > Henry Falstaff Thomas > 7-30-98 2:07am > 7lbs, 14 oz. > 20 in. > > Everyone happy, tired and healthy./%} Congrats, now go out and get him some paints and an Exacto knife. I'd say Arifix Pup for his first kit. -Al =============================================================================== Allan Wright Jr. | You fell victim to one of the 'classic' blunders! University of New Hampshire+--------------------------------------------------- Research Computing Center | WWI Modeling mailing list: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Internet: aew@unh.edu | WWI Modeling WWW Page: http://pease1.sr.unh.edu =============================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 13:29:19 +0200 From: "Michal Beran" To: Subject: RE: Latest SAMI Message-ID: <199807301140.NAA26595@jenicek.cm-sec.cz> Hi folks, I' ve just got the internet connection. I am a WWI aeroplane enthusiast = and scale plastic kit modeller for a long time. It's wonderfull to be connected = with other "lost souls" (of course, to be connected with my wife is wonderfull = too). The WWI list is great. I am constantly amazed at the comraderie and friendship = that the list members make towards each other. >That is an interesting list, I say. Can anyone get additional details (pricing,resin/injection/vacuform)? There are some details here: Omega Models is a small "one man cottage industry"project. The OM kits = are all resin ones, the first of them was available last autumn. It was the = Sikorski S16 (two versions wheel/skis sold as separate kits).Without reliable GAs to = hand I cannot comment the kit's accuracy, but this kit differs in some = aspects *significantly* from the DAKO's S 16. The only other OM kit available now is the LWF model V tractor American = training biplane (of which the sole extant example resides today in Prague = National Technical Museum). It's a simple kit. OM kits come without any decals although OM do provide colour and decal=20 choices in their instruction leaflets. (LWF kit review in Windsock Vol 14/ No2) Ugh, isn't it a too long e-mail? I can supply some LWF photos and drawings. Sorry, no scanner to hand = now, only s-mail. That's all folks, I hope to hear from somebody soon. P.S. Pricing: S16- 200 Kc (in Czech Republic, it equals ~ $6) Michal. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 08:52:26 -0400 From: "Steven M. Perry" To: wwi Subject: Klingonese Attachments. Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19980730085226.0069de24@pop.mindspring.com> List: Sometimes an attachment comes through as a block of random characters in the body of a message. It seems to happen when Microsoft Outlook Express sends a message that is received by Eudora. For those affected, (there are several on the list),I found a fix. The following URL takes you to a site where you can download an Expander program. Once downloaded, installed and running all you have to do is save the Klingonese message as a text file, then drag & drop it into the Expander program's window. Lightning quick you get a viewable file in the same folder you had the text file stashed in. http://www.aladdinsys.com/expander/index.html Glad I didn't trash the affected messages, thanks for the images Phillip & Joey sp ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 14:52:19 +0100 From: Graham Nash To: wwi Subject: Re: Latest SAMI Message-ID: <199807301352.JAA01382@egate2.citicorp.com> Michal Beran wrote: > > Hi folks, > I' ve just got the internet connection. I am a WWI aeroplane enthusiast > and scale plastic kit modeller for a long time. It's wonderfull to be connected > with other "lost souls" Welcome, Michal. > (of course, to be connected with my wife is wonderfull too). Let's not go into that. We'll be asking if you use epoxy or super-glue next...:^). > There are some details here: > Omega Models is a small "one man cottage industry" project. The OM kits are > all resin ones, the first of them was available last autumn. It was the Sikorski S16 > (two versions wheel/skis sold as separate kits).Without reliable GAs to hand > I cannot comment the kit's accuracy, but this kit differs in some aspects > *significantly* from the DAKO's S 16. > The only other OM kit available now is the LWF model V tractor American > training biplane (of which the sole extant example resides today in Prague = > National Technical Museum). It's a simple kit. Any details on their release time-table? > OM kits come without any decals although OM do provide colour and decal=20 > choices in their instruction leaflets.(LWF kit review in Windsock Vol 14/ No2) > Ugh, isn't it a too long e-mail? Not when you tell us what we like to know. > I can supply some LWF photos and drawings. Sorry, no scanner to hand = > now, only s-mail. > > That's all folks, I hope to hear from somebody soon. > > P.S. Pricing: S16- 200 Kc (in Czech Republic, it equals ~ $6) Excellent, probably about GBP4-5 if we can get them in the UK. I wonder how they're are going to distribute them world-wide, or at least UK/USA? Regards ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 14:57:28 +0100 From: Graham Nash To: World War 1 Modelling List Subject: LTA Enthusiasts Message-ID: <199807301357.JAA02016@egate2.citicorp.com> Now in remaindered bookshops in the UK. 'Battlebags' (sub-title is 'British Airships in the First World War'-I think) by Ces Mowthorpe, pub. Wrens Park, at GBP 5.99/US$11.00. This is the Hardback version with separate d/j. Contact me off-list if interested ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 18:14:10 +0800 From: Joey Valenciano To: wwi Subject: Sorry!!! (another profile....) Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19980730181410.0075769c@philonline.com.ph> Hi guys, Terribly sorry for the garbage my previous message contained. That message was NOT supposed to be sent to the list. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 08:21:16 -0700 From: "Peter Crow" <888444222@email.msn.com> To: Subject: Re: Klingonese Attachments. Message-ID: <005001bdbbcd$b408b040$d858fad0@default> Steve, Great tip.. works like a charm. Thanks. Peter Crow ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 13:32:20 +0800 From: Joey Valenciano To: wwi Subject: Re: The mad scanner strikes again ALB C.III Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19980730133220.00b52c24@philonline.com.ph> Hi Mike, Can't seem to open them properly. My computer thinks they're text files and uses textpad to open them. The problem might be because the files have no extensions. Are they .jpg or .gif files. I tried to add a .jpg extension and got a garbled picture. I tried to add a .gif extension and notheing happened. Help! Wanna see the photos. >http://www.proaxis.com/~dicianna/albatrosciiinose2 > >http://www.proaxis.com/~dicianna/albatrosciiinose1 ********************************************************************* Joey Valenciano WW1 modeller, teacher, jazz musician, joeyval@philonline.com. sitarist Metro-Manila, Philippines "The more you know, the more you don't know." ********************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 11:37:19 EDT From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: announcing... Message-ID: In a message dated 98-07-30 05:56:53 EDT, you write: << Henry Falstaff Thomas 7-30-98 2:07am 7lbs, 14 oz. 20 in. >> Welcome to the world Sir Henry! Robert K. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 09:43:54 -0600 (MDT) From: clynch@denver.net (Cameron Lynch) To: wwi Subject: Re: announcing... Message-ID: <199807301543.JAA21016@milehigh.denver.net> >Henry Falstaff Thomas >7-30-98 2:07am >7lbs, 14 oz. >20 in. > >Everyone happy, tired and healthy./%} Congrats. Cameron Lynch "The right to be heard does not automatically include the right to be taken seriously." - Hubert Humphrey 1911-1978 __________________________________________________________________________ Copyright (C) 1998. Cameron Lynch. All rights reserved. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 11:58:19 EDT From: TPTPUMPER@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Eduard Albatros DR.1 Message-ID: <1364f03e.35c0981c@aol.com> Hi Mike! > and paint this in a spurious Jasta 5 like scheme Fine choice, my friend! Hey, ya gotta throw in a ringer just to see if anyone is paying attention! (don't forget the block capital Ds under the bottom wings!) ;^) In any case, the grey fuselage will be easier to paint than the plywood . . . Have Fun!! IRA ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 11:20:51 -0500 From: "Paul Schwartzkopf" To: wwi Subject: Re: announcing... Message-ID: >Henry Falstaff Thomas >7-30-98 2:07am >7lbs, 14 oz. >20 in. > >Everyone happy, tired and healthy./%} Congratulations--so how about posting pics of Cuban stoagies for your = cyberspace list buddies? ;-) Paul A. Schwartzkopf ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 12:30:12 -0400 From: Chris Cato To: wwi Subject: Jasta 5 Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980730123012.0090f7a0@mail.connix.com> With the recent mention of Jasta 5 I pulled out my Eduard D.V kit and the Profile on the D.V. I have the markings for von Hippel's bird but have noticed several shots of crashed "blitzes" and have come to the conclusion that the blitz was not exclusive to von Hippel's crate. Is this correct? If so how is it that we know a particular green-tailed blitz is von Hippel's? There do not seem to be any other unique identifiers on the aircraft unlike Flashar's gauntlet or dragon. I love the way the blitz Albatri look but have been pondering several other schemes for this one including Ritter von Schleich's. If the blitz was not exclusive to von Hippel I may have to leave the Eduard markings behind. I'm finding I need some history on the particular aircraft I'm modeling and to be blunt, I can't quite bring myself to model one of Goering's planes. Chris Cato tcato@connix.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 12:31:45 -0500 From: "Paul Schwartzkopf" To: wwi Subject: Re: Jasta 5 Message-ID: Chris wrote: > I'm finding I need > some history on the particular aircraft I'm modeling and to be blunt, I > can't quite bring myself to model one of Goering's planes. I have the Aeromaster Albatros sheet 48-181, which contains an aircraft = for both von Hipple and von Ritter Schleich. I can't speak for the = authenticty, but they are sharp markings. There is also a natural = fuselaged version flown by Hans Waldhausen, which I have selected for the = Albatros that I currently have under construction. You may want to check = this sheet out--it is available as a scan on Aeromaster's site: http://www.AeroMaster.com/ The other Albatros sheet they have is, unfortunately, not available as a = scan. By all means, anything but another Fat Herman or MvR aircraft! = BTW, It may be AMS, but I seem to distrust the manufacturer's decals more = than those by aftermarket vendors. Paul A. Schwartzkopf ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 19:58:06 +0200 From: Pedro e Francisca Soares To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: announcing... Message-ID: <01BDBBF4.604CC460@fei1-p15.telepac.pt> -----Original Message----- From: Ernest Thomas [SMTP:ethomas6@bellsouth.net] Sent: Thursday, July 30, 1998 11:57 AM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: announcing... Henry Falstaff Thomas 7-30-98 2:07am 7lbs, 14 oz. 20 in. Everyone happy, tired and healthy./%} A Taube is born :-) My warmest congatulations to all in the family. Pedro ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 14:17:45 -0500 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi Subject: Re: announcing... Message-ID: <35C0C6D9.6449@bellsouth.net> KarrArt@aol.com wrote: > Welcome to the world Sir Henry! I'm debating between 'Young Prince Harry' and 'Hank'. E. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 15:38:18 -0400 From: Alberto Rada To: wwi Subject: Re: announcing... Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980730153818.007ce710@argonaut.net> Felicidades Welcome Henry, b.t.w. what is he modeling ? 1/48 for sure SALUDOS Alberto At 05:57 AM 30-07-98 -0400, you wrote: >Henry Falstaff Thomas >7-30-98 2:07am >7lbs, 14 oz. >20 in. > >Everyone happy, tired and healthy./%} > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 12:50:38 -0700 From: "Chris Banyai-Riepl" To: Subject: RE: announcing... Message-ID: <002701bdbbf3$5390fda0$9c4ffbce@chrisban> > Henry Falstaff Thomas > 7-30-98 2:07am > 7lbs, 14 oz. > 20 in. > Those 2am birthings are NOT fun! Been there, done that.... > Everyone happy, tired and healthy./%} > Congratulations on the new addition! So, what's his first kit going to be? Chris Aviation What-Not http://www.avsim.com/mike/awn/current ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 15:08:11 -0500 From: "Richard Eaton" To: wwi Subject: Re: announcing... Message-ID: <35C0D2AB.71DAF8FE@dsccc.com> Congratulations My all nighter (daughter) is now up to my nose. (and growing!) Happiest Regards, Richard Ernest Thomas wrote: > > Henry Falstaff Thomas > 7-30-98 2:07am > 7lbs, 14 oz. > 20 in. > > Everyone happy, tired and healthy./%} ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 13:26:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Patrick Padovan To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: RE: Nieuport "Outlines" Message-ID: Gents: Thanks to everyone who replied to my question. Shane, you are absolutely right: I meant CDL (honestly, guys!) but typo-ed sliver. Oops. Okay, so the dark outline was reinforcing tape which was dark doped to protect it from uv, although the rib tapes weren't, for whatever reason. It still seems odd that later on, this outline appears to be silver on camouflaged Nieuport 17s. Wouldn't the camouflage have provided uv protection in itself? (As with PC10?) I'm figuring these tapes were applied before the airframe was painted, so it would have meant an extra effort to leave the reinforcing tape in aluminum, while overpainting the rest of the wing. . . or was the tape put on after the wing, or tail, was painted? That seems unlikely to me, but I know nothing about Nieuport construction practices. Thanks Mike, Bill, Matt, Robert, Phillip, and of course Shane: I've learned much I didn't know before I posed the question. Regards, Patrick ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Patrick Padovan e-mail: ppadovan@timberland.lib.wa.us ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 20:20:25 GMT From: michel.lefort@ping.be (Michel LEFORT) To: wwi Subject: Re: announcing... Message-ID: <35c0d55c.13610048@relay.ping.be> On Thu, 30 Jul 1998 05:55:31 -0400, Ernest Thomas wrote: >Henry Falstaff Thomas >7-30-98 2:07am >7lbs, 14 oz. >20 in. > >Everyone happy, tired and healthy./%} My best regards to all the family. -- Michel Lefort - Braine-l'Alleud, Belgium IPMS Belgium Treasurer & Foreign Liaison Officer (member F012) MAFVA member #6708 http://www.ping.be/ipms-belgium Plastic Modelling is holding History in your Hand ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 16:49:32 -0400 From: Chris Cato To: wwi Subject: Re: Jasta 5 Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980730164932.00919100@mail.connix.com> At 01:34 PM 7/30/98 -0400, you wrote: >The other Albatros sheet they have is, unfortunately, not available as a = >scan. By all means, anything but another Fat Herman or MvR aircraft! = >BTW, It may be AMS, but I seem to distrust the manufacturer's decals more = >than those by aftermarket vendors. > >Paul A. Schwartzkopf > I've been planning on getting this sheet actually! I'm not sure I can limit myself to just one D.V - the Waldhausen aircraft should make a beautiful model - good luck with it! Really when it comes to Albatri and D.VII's it seems there are just too many options for me. wondering wether to fish or cut bait... Chris Cato tcato@connix.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 16:59:26 -0400 From: Chris Cato To: wwi Subject: Re: Jasta 5 Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980730165926.0091b420@mail.connix.com> At 01:05 PM 7/30/98 -0700, you wrote: >Chris: Well, according to Glen Merril of Americal, von Hippel flew a >couple of blitz marked D.Vs, one with green/purple upper wing camo, and >one with lozenge. I think the crashed blitz was his first bird, the >Green/Purple camo'd job. However, I'm replying from memory here, I don't That would explain the photos of a crashed green/mauve blitz and a crashed lozenge blitz in the profile publication. The Flashar/von Hippel dragon is also shown in the profile sans port lower wing - this would be an intriguing WWI diorama! If I thought my skills were up to it the dragon might be the way to go. I should definately try and dig some more info on Jasta 5 up before I tackle the blitz or the dragon. Recomendations on other sources? Chris Cato tcato@connix.com >P.S. If you like, I can photo-copy the text of Americals Jasta 5 booklet, >which accompanies their Jasta 5 decal sheet, and also an article from an >old Scale Models, which has quite a lot of useful info about Jasta 5 >pilots and markings in the DV/Va era. Send me your snail address, if >interested. I'll contact you off list about this one... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 17:03:17 EDT From: Allred240Z@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: announcing... Message-ID: <42ad7689.35c0df96@aol.com> congrats!!!!! Bob ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 17:09:28 -0400 From: "Steven M. Perry" To: wwi Subject: Re: Jasta 5 Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19980731170928.006b7f38@pop.mindspring.com> Chris: >I should definately try and dig some more info on >Jasta 5 up before I tackle the blitz or the dragon. Recomendations on >other sources? The Americal sheet has a nice booklet about Jasta 5 that comes with it. I did Hansie's dragon ship in 1:72 from that sheet. They also do 1:48. I can heartily recommend Americal/Gryphon. sp ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 17:09:40 EDT From: TPTPUMPER@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Jasta 5 Message-ID: Hi Chris! As a resident Jasta 5 nut and von Hippel fan, I may be of service. Von Hippel flew at least two "Blitz" D.Vas. One had mauve/green over blue wings, as is included in the Eduard kit. (There should be black full chord block letter Hs under the lower wings, not included on the Eduard decal) Another had lozenge wings with white block capital Hs under the lower wings. There may have been a third "Blitz", according to the Americal booklet with their Jasta 5 decals. In my work with the Ferko collection at UTD I have seen at least two Blitzen--on one the blitz is markedly more angular than the other. In any case, the fuselage color should be a mid-grey color, noy silver, as is often depicted. Hope this helps--feel free to ask me more either on or off- List. Have Fun!! IRA ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 14:17:32 -0700 From: "Peter Crow" <888444222@email.msn.com> To: Subject: Re: announcing... Message-ID: <005601bdbbff$799f9cc0$1658fad0@default> ... Congratulations to you and your wife... Peter Crow ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 07:28:21 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: wwi Subject: RE: Backhausen Update + dark rib tapes Message-ID: <199807302145.HAA10350@mimmon.mim.com.au> Matt, >>early M-S monoplanes, some Farmans and so on. The wood strip was >>painted black - hence the black lines at the rib positions >It appears *to my eyes* that on MoS Type N's, the "batten" (isn't this >what it was called? the wood strips) appears to be left natural wood. >Again, only to my eyes. No, you're right. In my rush i never made the point that the battens weren't *necessarily* painted black *but* if they were they'd certainly have th effect of a black cord being run along the rib stations. Shane ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 16:31:21 -0500 From: "Dr. Phillip Anz-Meador" To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Jasta 5 (AND Bavarian AF) Message-ID: <01BDBBD7.7E071CC0.panz-meador@vsti.com> SO (preparing to run and hide): is the blitz marking red or black? phillip p.s. speaking of colors, the markings of the bavarian AF (invariably portrayed on a fokker E series) are black and white. is there documentation on this, or could the colors be blue and white (the colors of the bavarian wappenschildt--that lozengy thing in blue and white)? i realize that blue would perhaps have different tonality in pix than black, but then i've never seen an original pic of a BAF E. -----Original Message----- From: TPTPUMPER@aol.com [SMTP:TPTPUMPER@aol.com] Sent: Thursday, July 30, 1998 4:14 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Jasta 5 Hi Chris! As a resident Jasta 5 nut and von Hippel fan, I may be of service. Von Hippel flew at least two "Blitz" D.Vas. One had mauve/green over blue wings, as is included in the Eduard kit. (There should be black full chord block letter Hs under the lower wings, not included on the Eduard decal) Another had lozenge wings with white block capital Hs under the lower wings. There may have been a third "Blitz", according to the Americal booklet with their Jasta 5 decals. In my work with the Ferko collection at UTD I have seen at least two Blitzen--on one the blitz is markedly more angular than the other. In any case, the fuselage color should be a mid-grey color, noy silver, as is often depicted. Hope this helps--feel free to ask me more either on or off- List. Have Fun!! IRA ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 07:41:48 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: wwi Subject: RE: Jasta 5 Message-ID: <199807302157.HAA10384@mimmon.mim.com.au> > >P.S. If you like, I can photo-copy the text of Americals Jasta 5 > booklet, > >which accompanies their Jasta 5 decal sheet, and also an article from > an > >old Scale Models, which has quite a lot of useful info about Jasta 5 > >pilots and markings in the DV/Va era. Send me your snail address, if > >interested. > FWIW the article from Scale Models (now SM Int'l) was written by Peter Gray. His source was one hans von Hippel who he interviewed extensively in the early 70's. So far as memory can be trusted, i'd say it's a pretty good source, especially given that Glen Merrils further research on Jasta 5 for the A-G sheets confirms virtually all the old fliegers information. Shane ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 17:44:32 EDT From: Suvoroff@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Jasta 5 (AND Bavarian AF) Message-ID: <719c8cc2.35c0e941@aol.com> "p.s. speaking of colors, the markings of the bavarian AF (invariably portrayed on a fokker E series) are black and white. is there documentation on this, or could the colors be blue and white (the colors of the bavarian wappenschildt--that lozengy thing in blue and white)?" The Bavarian national colours have been cornflower blue and white since time immemorial, or the time of the War of the Spanish Succession at least. Yours, James D. Gray ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 17:49:18 -0400 From: "Mike Muth" To: Subject: Re: announcing... Message-ID: <004e01bdbc03$e79271e0$4a06bacc@bucky> Congratulations! Now go to sleep...while he's still at the hospital and you still have the chance...heh heh heh ;-} -----Original Message----- From: Ernest Thomas To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Thursday, July 30, 1998 5:55 AM Subject: announcing... >Henry Falstaff Thomas >7-30-98 2:07am >7lbs, 14 oz. >20 in. > >Everyone happy, tired and healthy./%} > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 07:52:14 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: wwi Subject: RE: Jasta 5 (AND Bavarian AF) Message-ID: <199807302208.IAA10434@mimmon.mim.com.au> Phillip asks: >SO (preparing to run and hide): Sensibly I would have thought... >is the blitz marking red or black? Old Hansie said black according to Gray. But of course he mightn't know. He was also a believer in grey fuselages, not silver ones of course. Unfortunately there's a replica Alb D.V getting about in a spurious scheme which may be the source of some of these "profiles" >p.s. speaking of colors, the markings of the bavarian AF (invariably >portrayed on a fokker E series) are black and white. is there >documentation on this, or could the colors be blue and white (the colors of >the bavarian wappenschildt--that lozengy thing in blue and white)? i >realize that blue would perhaps have different tonality in pix than black, >but then i've never seen an original pic of a BAF E. Since I've never seen an original pic (AFAIK) I'll stay out of this except to note that in orthochromatic film sourced pictures blue will invariably print lighter than black even if the original blue is very dark Shane ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 17:56:39 -0400 From: "Mike Muth" To: Subject: Re:Goering Aicraft Message-ID: <009b01bdbc04$eeda0ac0$4a06bacc@bucky> -----Major deletions to be blunt, I >can't quite bring myself to model one of Goering's planes. > >Chris Cato Yep...I had the same problem, but finally got around to doing the one with the black fuselage and white spinner. Looks cool, even if Fat Herman was the pilot. I like to think of it as a plane probably used on occasion by other members of the Jasta.... Mike Muth ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 15:05:34 -0700 From: Bob Pearson To: WW1 Mailing list Subject: Re:Goering Aicraft Message-ID: <22053453709263@KAIEN.COM> Instead of Goering, say it is von Tutschek's Albatros. He also used a black Albatros with white spinner Bob ---------- > From: "Mike Muth" > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Re:Goering Aicraft > Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 17:58:39 -0400 > > > -----Major deletions > to be blunt, I > >can't quite bring myself to model one of Goering's planes. > > > >Chris Cato > Yep...I had the same problem, but finally got around to doing the one with > the black fuselage and white spinner. Looks cool, even if Fat Herman was the > pilot. I like to think of it as a plane probably used on occasion by other > members of the Jasta.... > Mike Muth > ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 1136 **********************