WWI Digest 1127 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Fw: FS WINDSOCK INTERNATIONAL by "The Bittners" 2) Re: dekker the walls was: MvR Poster by Don Rinker 3) Re: w.29 url by Mike Fletcher 4) Re: A little more about the Hawkeye Dr.I by Mike Fletcher 5) Re: dekker the walls was: MvR Poster by Mike Fletcher 6) Re: Hannover C.IV or Cl.IV? by knut.erik.hagen@eunet.no (Knut Erik Hagen) 7) RE: Modelling Facilities by "John Glaser" 8) RE: Modelling Facilities (was Struts) by Shane Weier 9) MvR Poster. by John & Allison Cyganowski 10) RE: Struts by Shane Weier 11) Re: WWI digest 1124 (NASM) by Alberto Rada 12) RE: Struts by Shane Weier 13) Wise Owl by r_niles@juno.com (Russell W Niles) 14) Re: A little more about the Hawkeye Dr.I by mbittner@juno.com 15) Re: On-topic Art (was MvR Poster) by "Bill Ciciora" 16) Re: WWI digest 1124 (NASM) by "Mike Muth" 17) Re: Wise Owl by Nigel Rayner 18) Re Dr1 by Mike Fletcher 19) Re: MvR Poster by Ernest Thomas 20) Re: Re Dr1 by "Steven M. Perry" 21) (Modeling Facilities) by Ernest Thomas 22) Re: WWI digest 1124 (NASM) by Don Rinker 23) Re: Re Dr1 or SPAD SA.4 by Mike Fletcher 24) Re: (Modeling Facilities) by Bob Pearson 25) RE: Modelling Facilities by "Fernando E. Lamas, M.D." 26) Re: (Modeling Facilities) by Ernest Thomas 27) Re: dekker the walls was: MvR Poster by Ernest Thomas 28) Re: MvR Poster by REwing@aol.com 29) Re: w.29 url by REwing@aol.com 30) Re: Modelling Facilities by REwing@aol.com 31) Re: modeling facilities by Pedro e Francisca Soares 32) Cya in a week .... by "Paul Bourke" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 18:28:55 -0500 From: "The Bittners" To: Subject: Fw: FS WINDSOCK INTERNATIONAL Message-ID: <000701bdb75a$d4fafc80$87aabfa8@jvaughan> FYI, from RMS. -----Original Message----- From: Shonmania Newsgroups: rec.models.scale Date: Friday, July 24, 1998 5:31 PM Subject: FS WINDSOCK INTERNATIONAL >I have for sale, WINDSOCK INTERNATIONAL magezine >Vol. 1- Vol.9, complete >Nedd to sell quickly. >Shon Howell ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 19:25:44 -0400 From: Don Rinker To: wwi Subject: Re: dekker the walls was: MvR Poster Message-ID: <35B917F8.725632CF@fast.net> Mike Dicianna wrote: > > > >The coupe de' gras are three windows cut in the mat below the print with > >a Pour' le Merite' medal and ribbon framed in the center box, a Sanke > >card of MVR in the left window box, and an authentic Pilots badge in the > >right box... > > > >Looks rather impressive if I do say so myself. > > > >I almost shorted out my keyboard with my drooling....I'm sure if you could > scan a photo of this display we all would be in awe of you! > > MikeDc I'll do that when I get back from Hatteras next week. I promised Jim D. I would send him one too months ago............ Hmmm no more remarque's for me... :-( ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 16:32:07 -0700 From: Mike Fletcher To: wwi Subject: Re: w.29 url Message-ID: <35B91977.F1052F57@mars.ark.com> ouch sorry - I was using unicode not western back to western I guess. hans.juergen.glueck@gis-online.de wrote: > > Hello, > > it seems, this is a problem with the characterset of the different > coputer/os > ther URL appears to me like http://mars.ark.com/+AH4-mdf/prifly.jpg > but has to be http://mars.ark.com/+AH4-mdf/prifly.jpg > > HTH > > Hans-Juergen Glueck ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 17:28:54 -0700 From: Mike Fletcher To: wwi Subject: Re: A little more about the Hawkeye Dr.I Message-ID: <35B926C6.EF5DE671@mars.ark.com> Just a commment (Not really about Randy's post) about comparing models to drawings: If the model was designed from the drawings you have they'll match, but if they didn't they won't. (obviously hawkeye started with the Revell kit). The odds are that neither is really that accurate so it's a crap shoot anyway - if your passion is for accuracy you are much better off comparing the model to pictures of the real thing. On top of that real aircraft vary in size by as much as 6 inches on a major dimension - so that much variation on a drawing is insignificant. What matters is proportion and shape - and these are what is most likely to get toasted because they are the hardest to recreate. Mike Fletcher ps: sorry just had to get that off my chest - it really bugs me when ppl compare models to drawings that they haven't personally verified - the average Windsock drawing has at least 6 errors on it and these are relatively "good" drawings - nevermind the abominations that Squadron passes off. :) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 17:41:02 -0700 From: Mike Fletcher To: wwi Subject: Re: dekker the walls was: MvR Poster Message-ID: <35B9299E.78D656DE@mars.ark.com> my collection of pre-ww1 posters (reprints all) vanished during a move about four years ago - but now I have the top wing center section of NAM's Nieuport 17 hanging from a nail. When they rebuilt it they replaced all the wood and some of the metal so they were giving tham away to people who helped with the project. I just got out of storage a roundel signed by none other than Wop May, who's claim to fame aside from bush flying was being MvR's last intended victim. I have to find some way of protecting it and dsiplay it properly now - it used to be under glass on my desk (I got that by being a doorman where they were holding some of the 60th anniv. of the RCAF celebrations. My drawings of the Burgess Dunne have fallen off the wall - I have to fix that yet ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1998 02:59:52 +0200 (CEST) From: knut.erik.hagen@eunet.no (Knut Erik Hagen) To: wwi Subject: Re: Hannover C.IV or Cl.IV? Message-ID: <199807250059.CAA08385@login-2.eunet.no> Gents, I have a scan of a Norwegian CL.V on: www.stud.ntnu.no/~eckhoff/hauk.jpg there should not be visible differences except for markings compared to German ones Eders Knut Erik >CL.III (single bay, two forward leaning struts, biplane tail, boxy fuselage, >Opel Argus 180hp power plant). >CL.IV (vee struts mounted *transversely*, biplane tail, Maybach 300hp power >plant). >CL.V (single bay monostruts, monoplane tail). > >I could scan some pix if you want to see what I'm talking about but am >generally reluctant to from copyrighted sources. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 20:26:47 -0500 From: "John Glaser" To: Subject: RE: Modelling Facilities Message-ID: <000c01bdb76b$4aa394a0$5a14440c@jg_notebook> I have an office in my home that doubles as my modeling space. The MVR poster adorns the wall above my desk / work bench. My very lovely and understanding wife bought me a 12 drawer roller cabinet for tools, paints, etc. The closet is stuffed full of unbuilt kits - isn't everyones? Airbrushing must be done in the garage since my workroom really is a home office with computers & carpet. Also, there are no basements in Houston Texas. The cat is only allowed in under close supervision. My biggest problem is my 11 year old son "borrowing" paints and tools to build his overgrown vacuumm cleaner MIG thingies. Despite his passion for these later day abominations, he is a good boy and I'm happy he's interested in modeling. Anyone else with modeling in the genes? - Mr. G. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1998 11:34:31 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: wwi Subject: RE: Modelling Facilities (was Struts) Message-ID: <199807250151.LAA06772@mimmon.mim.com.au> James quotes, and asks: >>Quoth the Inimitable Mr. Weier; What *me*? >> "My lounge room (where I work on account of not having a workbench of any >>sort)..." > Which brings up a question- what facilities to our members have for >modelling? My family and I moved into a tiny two bedroom house (the 5 of us) so that we could save rent to buy our own house. Circumstance has kept us here longer than I'd like, so my modelling area consists of two plastic cube storage boxes about 18" on a side. These hold most of my materials, and a fishing tackle box holds tool. I carry the two boxes into the common room (lounge) of the house, place an 18" square of ply on top and strew bits of kit and books about the floor. Then i have at it. There are disadvantages, including being unable to work at all while my children (ages 8,8,4) are awake for fear of feet upon my model bits. Also, building in the same room as the TV can be distracting. But I get by, and can even manage to scratchbuild (bloody slowly !!! ) There are advantages too. I can load the whole shebang in the car and take it on holiday, or to a fellow list members place for a night of shared modelling. I couldn't do *that* with my dream modelling room! >*I wish I had a house big enough to have it's own "louge" room. Me too. We have one, but mine is full of kids and toys. And FWIW I'm happy theyre there. Shane ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 21:39:04 -0400 From: John & Allison Cyganowski To: wwi Subject: MvR Poster. Message-ID: <35B93738.311E@worldnet.att.net> I'll take it upon myself to review this poster for the group as I bought it and framed it myself, thus saving a few dollars. First, it is available from a catalog called Wright Bros. - an aviation merchendise magazine for aviation type wannabes...like me. Price $12.00(US), Cat No. P3667W (I can hear Sandy yelling from France now, "Dirty Hunnish Weasely B@#%&$=+!") Phone (800)543-8633, Fax (513)735-9200. Delivery is First Class Mail in the US, comes quick. The poster shows 12 aircraft profiles, Fok. EIII, Alb. D.II, Alb. D.III, Halberstadt D.II, Alb. D.V (3) and Fok. Dr.I (5). There is a short bio of each aircraft's history with MvR and an attempt to place which victories were scored in each machine. The poster is a high quality production and printed on very good paper. There are some gaps/inconsistencies in the research and one really glaring error. Some of the paint schemes are open to interpretation so I won't complain about these. The scale is slightly bigger than 1/48 - 1/40 maybe? Albatros D.II 491/16 is really the biggest problem. They call out the right aircraft and serial, but a D.I is shown instead of a D.II The markings are correct - a white nose stripe and white spinner, but the tail color should probabaly be a pale pastel green and the cowling metalwork should be a gray/green not the dark Fokker green as shown. The font shown for the serial on the tail is wrong, and this ship may not have carried its s/n at all, but I included it in the Passchendaele decal sheet, just in case. (Please Bob, don't kill me!) I don't like the crosses on the Alb. D.III, I think they had a white outline and I think they were overpainted with red. The Halberstadt D.II is probably painted correctly, but a D.III is shown instead of a D.II The victory count has a gap in it - 4-16 are credited to the Alb. D.II, #19 to the Halberstadt, then 37-53 to the Alb. D.IIIs. The count in "Above the Lines" has its problems, but at least it is complete. "Above the Lines" and the poster seem to be at odds over the Albatros D.Vs The poster shows an Alb. D.V 2059/17 with a 4 color lozenge tail (yet another version of the lozenge colors!) "Above the Lines" calls out 2253/17, with a differnt paint scheme. Poster calls out 1033/17 as the ship he was shot down in in June of '17. "Above the Lines" makes no mention of 1033/17. This all makes me very confused so I will leave it to the MvR sleuths. The only agreement here is that MvR flew 2 differnt aircraft with the markings of his Eduard kit, but the s/n's are in dispute. 2059/17 is also in dispute. The tripes and bio's are in good agreement with the conventional wisdom. However, (I could bite these words as I write them forseeing the contention they will cause) the poster claims that although 477/17 was eventually painted all red - no victories were scored while it was in this state of decoration. The reds on the tripes are of the "brick" variety, while those of the Albatri are "blood red". I mounted the poster on to foam core poster board purchased at Staples (office supply chain) using spray adhesive (purchased at a craft store) on the poster and mounting board. I got the frame at the craft store. This thing is a faux cherry finish and the lengths and widths are purchased spearately so you can make just about any size frame. I had 2 mats professionally cut - outer Foker green, an inner a crimson red. Finally I had a non glare plate glass cut to fit. The verdict - looks good, a good effort by the authors/artists, despite the mistakes. Paid ~$90 for the frame supplies and once it was done my wife admitted it looked nice and let me hang it on the wall at the top of the stairs in the new house. (The best verdict!) Cyg. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1998 11:48:43 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: wwi Subject: RE: Struts Message-ID: <199807250206.MAA06816@mimmon.mim.com.au> Joey, >>This is what I've been doing. I've had to split a few more than I >>expected to need because the grain of the bamboo is a bit inconsistent >Are you using disposeable bamboo chopsticks as we discussed before? The >ones I were able to sneak out of a sushi bar are great. Yes, though I splashed out $2 and bought a pack. I needn't have bothered. My wife says "What do you want those for? There are hundreds in the kitchen drawer" Doh! >>and some of the spits leave "cracks" which persist after the sanding is >Repair w/ superglue, eliminate the cracks, get more rigidity. >If the grain is too coarse, you can fill with super glue. Exactly. This is where I went last night. The CyA does the trick admirably. >>Urr. Too high tech for someone with a case of manual dexterity deficit. >>But probably worth the trouble to save a few weeks on the building >>schedule >I was able to buy a v-caliper made of plastic/(carbon fibre?), well it >looked like black plastic but the box said to be careful because it >conducted electricity. Anyway, it was inexpensive and worked great. Maybe >you can find a similar tool over there. I've seen them at hobby stores for prices Ned Kelly would've approved. And elsewhere at more reasonable prices. I will probably get one, but it's too late for el Biffo. Incidentally, I have at last finished getting 10 useable struts (2 spares), and started insetting brass pins in the ends which mate to the wings. It's too hard to drill holes in the strut ends (about 1/2 mm across), so I've started slitting them and gluing in brass wire pieces, with the intention of filling the slot with CyA and sanding smooth. This won't show because the strut ends are fabris wrapped. I've yet to decide if it's woth wrapping them with decal strip, or better to paint the ends buff and simulate the wrapping. The wire ends are necessary BTW. The Biff struts have metal ends and the wood (or rather fabric wrapped ends) finish far enough from the wing surface for it to show in 1/48 Shane ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 21:37:46 -0400 From: Alberto Rada To: wwi Subject: Re: WWI digest 1124 (NASM) Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980724213746.009b1100@argonaut.net> At 05:21 PM 24-07-98 -0400, you wrote: >Another one of President Hillary's minions. After we load up the first >boat to sink with all the lawyers on it . A boat full of lawyers will certainly stink, but it wont sink Alberto ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1998 11:52:03 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: wwi Subject: RE: Struts Message-ID: <199807250209.MAA06832@mimmon.mim.com.au> Matt, >>This is what I've been doing. I've had to split a few more than I >>expected to need because the grain of the bamboo is a bit inconsistent >>and some of the spits leave "cracks" which persist after the sanding is >>done. The struts are pretty thin (spanwise) so i don't want to make them >>with built in weaknesses. >Why not CA them to take care of the cracks? Because the CyA'ed areas won't take wood stain. Duh. Stain the struts *first* dummy. (Which is what I did) Sometimes I'm not too quick ;-) Shane ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 22:04:46 EDT From: r_niles@juno.com (Russell W Niles) To: wwi Subject: Wise Owl Message-ID: <19980724.190744.2367.0.r_niles@juno.com> I had the opportunity to speak with the folks from Wise Owl at the IPMS Nationals. These people are great! I spent a great deal of money at their table, buying a lot of Data Files I did not have, and going thru their stacks of old Windsocks. The Lady I spoke with was extremely helpful, and very courteous. Super folks. Highly recommended. Russ Niles IPMS 4450 Too close for missles...switching to guns. _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 21:20:37 -0500 From: mbittner@juno.com To: wwi Subject: Re: A little more about the Hawkeye Dr.I Message-ID: <19980724.213718.-192177.1.mbittner@juno.com> On Fri, 24 Jul 1998 20:35:17 -0400 Mike Fletcher writes: >Just a commment (Not really about Randy's post) about comparing models >to drawings: If the model was designed from the drawings you have >they'll match, but if they didn't they won't. (obviously hawkeye >started >with the Revell kit). The odds are that neither is really that >accurate >so it's a crap shoot anyway - if your passion is for accuracy you are >much better off comparing the model to pictures of the real thing. On >top of that real aircraft vary in size by as much as 6 inches on a >major >dimension - so that much variation on a drawing is insignificant. What >matters is proportion and shape - and these are what is most likely to >get toasted because they are the hardest to recreate. Well, considering the master's were done by a person who has studied the Dr.I *a lot*, and *assuming* Hawkeye didn't screw up his masters, then these should be pretty accurate kits. If I remember correctly, Hustad made his masters according to more than drawings. Matt Bittner _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 21:44:55 -0500 From: "Bill Ciciora" To: Subject: Re: On-topic Art (was MvR Poster) Message-ID: Mr. G asks: >> What on-topic art do others have on thier walls and what was the source? << 1) The same MvR poster. Source was Sopwith Hobbies. 2) A reprint Public Warning poster advising the public to familiarise (love that British spelling) themselves with aircraft appearances. Has silhouettes of German and British airships and aeroplanes. Source was the gift shop at Duxford. 3) "Two for B Flight" by Dietz, when he still painted aircraft in flight. Long out of print. Three Camels in the foreground flame two Dr.Is of four that were attacking an R.E.8. Source was a local militaria show. Bill Ciciora ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 22:55:07 -0400 From: "Mike Muth" To: Subject: Re: WWI digest 1124 (NASM) Message-ID: <001d01bdb777$a20e9da0$7506bacc@bucky> After we load up the first >boat to sink with all the lawyers on it . Er...Don....I get kinda touchy on that subject. I can't swim real well. Mike Muth ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 19:51:01 -0700 From: Nigel Rayner To: wwi, Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Wise Owl Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19980724195101.00711cec@pop.mindspring.com> >I had the opportunity to speak with the folks from Wise Owl at the IPMS >Nationals. These people are great! I spent a great deal of money at >their table, buying a lot of Data Files I did not have, and going thru >their stacks of old Windsocks. The Lady I spoke with was extremely >helpful, and very courteous. Super folks. Highly recommended. Agreed. I did the same. Nice people, nice stuff. Regards, Nigel R. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 20:24:56 -0700 From: Mike Fletcher To: wwi Subject: Re Dr1 Message-ID: <35B95008.C3D56A3D@mars.ark.com> Glad to see there are still folks out there doing decent research. (now if only Windsock would correct their awful SPAD SA.2/4 drawing) Mike Fletcher ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 22:26:30 -0500 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi Subject: Re: MvR Poster Message-ID: <35B95066.4EC1@bellsouth.net> John Glaser wrote: It's amazing what a $150 frame will do for a $15 poster. As a picture framer, I couldn't agree more./%] > > Question for the list: What on-topic art do others have on thier walls and > what was the source? I have a roughly legal size copy of the Fokker poster with the pilot looking at you over the spandau on a E-III. And the source was...ssshhhh...bootlegged from a image owned by a publisher so huge and powerful, I dare not mention their name for fear of ending up as fish food with a U.S.Justice Dept. seal of approval stamped on my head. E. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1998 23:41:15 -0400 From: "Steven M. Perry" To: wwi Subject: Re: Re Dr1 Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19980725234115.00696f6c@pop.mindspring.com> At 11:31 PM 7/24/98 -0400, you wrote: >Glad to see there are still folks out there doing decent research. >(now if only Windsock would correct their awful SPAD SA.2/4 drawing) > >Mike Fletcher Mike:: Having spent some time altering the Sierra Scale Spad A.2/A.4 kit to match the Datafile drawings, can you specify the inaccuracies? I'm guessing the tailfeathers. sp ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 22:47:09 -0500 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi Subject: (Modeling Facilities) Message-ID: <35B9553D.4AAD@bellsouth.net> (Spanky wrote) >My wife and I are doing some house hunting. Guess now's a good time to brag about my new, not-in-the-basement, climate controlled, carpeted(just to make dropping parts more ineresting) model room with a built in wall full of shelves. I'm still thinking things over and will listen to any ideas or suggestions. I'm already thinking spray booth and vacuum table. Hold out for the room of your own, Spanky Buckwheat #8%O btw, even thogh I have this neat room, I'm still looking forward to the day when I build my 'Crime Tower'. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1998 00:15:06 -0400 From: Don Rinker To: wwi Subject: Re: WWI digest 1124 (NASM) Message-ID: <35B95BCA.A1EA77DC@fast.net> Ah Mein herr' Step right up... for our modeling lawyer friends ve haf' the spezial Le' Poor Merit award First worn by zee Black Baron at Rhinebeck, now dedicated to all our friendz of " zee bar". Veighink in at a hefty 20 kilos complete mit neck chain, it guaranteez zee wearer no waiting. Un express trip to zee bottom... Mike Muth wrote: > > After we load up the first > >boat to sink with all the lawyers on it . > Er...Don....I get kinda touchy on that subject. I can't swim real well. > Mike Muth ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 21:11:49 -0700 From: Mike Fletcher To: wwi Subject: Re: Re Dr1 or SPAD SA.4 Message-ID: <35B95B05.B5E0B7A6@mars.ark.com> I too was working on a SA2/4 - I started by converting a SPAD XIII fuselage and used Roland wings and lots of plasticard - got bogged down with problems with the nacelle which I kept damaging as it was too frail and the wings because I had filled in the cutout but the join kept cracking. The drawing represents a mixture of SA2 and SA4... - Fin and rudder too small (more of SA2) - tailplane fillets were on SA.2 only - prop type doesn't match type usually used - leading edge cutouts were wider on lower wing - not the same - trailing edge cutouts too wide - lower wing centre section structure was exposed - wing ribs are in the wrong locations - section BB doesn't even come close (see below) - section DD too rouded on top and EE too flat on bottom - engine intake too deep - sloping floor of nacelle too steep in side view - plan view omits the flat surface of the top/bottom as was wrapped over the front and the sides from mid-cockpit aft should extend straight - not angled out - undercarriage pivot is too far forward from wheel - the nacelle strut needs angling back slightly and the tyre needs to be a hair larger and further forward. and yes I know...I should do up new drawings. There was an excellent article in WW1 Aero a while ago (no I can't recall the date and the file is packed away) by a real enthusiast though he didn't seem to be one to do drawings up. V5 #1 of Windsock had a good article (but with the poor drawings). The 4 differed in having a smaller lower wing and no lower ailerons while the 2 had equal chord wings with 4 ailerons. Interior was very similar to later SPADS and I was using a SPAD XIII detail set for that. A French drawing was published in the WW1 Aero that looks good with the exception of the h. tail (can't win em all) - when I get my scanner in 2 weeks I'll scan it in. Hope this helps (good luck) Mike Fletcher ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 21:34:02 -0700 From: Bob Pearson To: WW1 Mailing list Subject: Re: (Modeling Facilities) Message-ID: <04340254337751@KAIEN.COM> Laugh now Mr Heretic, once Lil' Sopwith comes along you won't have any time to use it anyway :-) Bob ---------- > From: Ernest Thomas > > (Spanky wrote) > >My wife and I are doing some house hunting. > > Guess now's a good time to brag about my new, not-in-the-basement, > climate controlled, carpeted(just to make dropping parts more > ineresting) model room with a built in wall full of shelves. I'm still > thinking things over and will listen to any ideas or suggestions. I'm > already thinking spray booth and vacuum table. > Hold out for the room of your own, Spanky > > Buckwheat > #8%O > btw, even thogh I have this neat room, I'm still looking forward to the > day when I build my 'Crime Tower'. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 21:32:17 -0700 From: "Fernando E. Lamas, M.D." To: wwi Subject: RE: Modelling Facilities Message-ID: At 09:38 PM 7/24/98 Shane wrote: >My family and I moved into a tiny two bedroom house (the 5 of us) so >that we could save rent to buy our own house. Circumstance has kept us >here longer than I'd like, so my modelling area consists of two plastic >cube storage boxes about 18" on a side. These hold most of my materials, >and a fishing tackle box holds tool. I carry the two boxes into the >common room (lounge) of the house, place an 18" square of ply on top and >strew bits of kit and books about the floor. Then i have at it. > >>*I wish I had a house big enough to have it's own "louge" room. > >Me too. We have one, but mine is full of kids and toys. And FWIW I'm >happy theyre there. > >Shane > We are a messy (informal) family. In our family, one of the laws of physics is that our mess abhors a vacuum and will expand to fill any potential space. No matter how big the house, there is never enough space to keep up with the mess. When we moved to Port Townsend, WA, ("Largest West Coast Concentration of Victorian Architecture North of San Francisco") we bought a three story, seven bedroom, 1889 Victorian house before the locusts from California discovered Port Townsend and while the houses were still dirt-cheap. There is still not enough room. The basement is full of 100-80 year-old coal dust, crawl space dust, etc., etc. and not fit to work in. On the first floor, my wife's paperwork mess is on the dining room table and the kid's mess is in the back parlor and front parlor. The second floor has our bedroom and each of the two kids has their bedroom and my office which is filled with my business mess and books that have run out of room on the shelves and are on the floor. The third floor has my wife's office with more of her mess and a guest bedroom which SWMBO has declared a "mess free zone". That leaves a long, rectagular room on 2/3 the length of the third floor that has the excercise equipment, more book shelves and books and a large bay window, with a narrow ledge 12 inches wide and 12 inchess off the floor, with the window over-looking Port Townsend Bay and the Puget Sound shipping channels. So, my modelling set up is the same as Shane's: an 18 inch square plastic storage box. I take it up to the third floor to my little ledge where I work while sitting on the floor crossed-legged. It's not a spacious work space but it has a fantastic view and it is relaxing. What more do you need? Fernando Lamas ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 23:45:31 -0500 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi Subject: Re: (Modeling Facilities) Message-ID: <35B962EB.60DD@bellsouth.net> Oh, I don't know about that. My little sweetie pie Meg has had a few occasions to sit in the old basement and paint unwanted figures red and all her other favorite colors. When H. Falstaff(I lost the argument) comes along, I'll most likely be spending more time with her in the new shop. I can't wait to get her on snap togethers. Nuclear Dad Bob Pearson wrote: > > Laugh now Mr Heretic, once Lil' Sopwith comes along you won't have any time > to use it anyway :-) > > Bob ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1998 00:03:38 -0500 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi Subject: Re: dekker the walls was: MvR Poster Message-ID: <35B9672A.40AB@bellsouth.net> Don Rinker wrote: > Looks rather impressive if I do say so myself. Sounds like it. E. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1998 01:14:11 EDT From: REwing@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: MvR Poster Message-ID: <9d1de4a5.35b969a4@aol.com> << I have seen this Poster on the homepage of the Flying Machine Press but no price was mentioned. http://www.flying-machines.com/ HTH Hans-Juergen Glueck >> I logged onto the site and found it. Thanks a lot!! -Rick- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1998 01:35:46 EDT From: REwing@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: w.29 url Message-ID: << it seems, this is a problem with the characterset of the different coputer/os ther URL appears to me like http://mars.ark.com/+AH4-mdf/prifly.jpg but has to be http://mars.ark.com/~mdf/prifly.jpg >> Thanks Hans, that helped a lot. Now can someone explain why I can't print this page out? -Rick- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1998 02:24:55 EDT From: REwing@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Modelling Facilities Message-ID: <6e0f3337.35b97a39@aol.com> << Which brings up a question- what facilities to our members have for modeling? >> I got lucky, too. My daughter moved out and I moved my son into her old room. I moved all of my stuff to my "Model Room". All my kits went into the closet in some kind of haphazard order. Problem is, my wife became immediately aware of how many kits I actually had scattered all over the house. I have 3x8 work table with a magnifying light attached and a small TV on one corner. A cubicle set of shelves are against another wall with CD/radio and kits in various stages of assembly. My newest problem? I've gotten my son interested in model building and sometimes I can't get in there to do my stuff!! -Rick- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1998 10:34:27 +0200 From: Pedro e Francisca Soares To: "WW1 Modeling List (E-mail)" Subject: Re: modeling facilities Message-ID: <01BDB7B8.93E27800@fei1-p9.telepac.pt> Hi Hi am lucky to have a small part of a separate area of the house for my = modeling: we've closed the balcony adjacent to my room with an aluminium = and glass structure and I got to use half the space thus created for my = modeling shop which occupies roughly a 90 x 90 cm square. Problem is that on summer (as now) the room is constantly exposed to the = sun and it becomes impossible to use it in the afternoon, since it's = normal to register temperatures in the 30 - 40 C. region. So I only use = it after 9 pm. All my spraying is done in the garage, since it has good ventilation and = I use a very noisy compressor. Hopefully we're going to start building a new house this year, so the = attic will be shared between me and my wife as our working area. I wish I had some wall space to put some prints on, but the attic in the = new house will be also used for shelving our books, so there won't me = much wall space available there. We'll see. A Pearson print Like Ira has = would be great...., first I have to get the house done and that's where = my main worries are centered nowadays, Um abraco Pedro ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1998 20:21:21 +1000 From: "Paul Bourke" To: "WWI Mailing List" Subject: Cya in a week .... Message-ID: <199807251019.UAA10546@magna.com.au> Folks, The time has come - at last - to go snowboarding for a week. Can't wait. Paul. PS: Anyone speak French? I've been seeing a beauty from Noumea. She gave me a card with some nice words inside but won't tell me what the French on the front of it says .... "Tu me rends carre'ment dingue" ... I have to know! If anyone can help with a translation it would be greatly appreciated. ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 1127 **********************