WWI Digest 1120 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Avro Mystery by Mick Fauchon 2) RE: Warning: Long Post Re: Some technical questions by bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) 3) RE: Warning: Long Post Re: Some technical questions by "Rob." 4) RE: Warning: Long Post Re: Some technical questions by Shane Weier 5) RE: Warning: Long Post Re: Some technical questions by bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) 6) Tauro A7V WWI Tank Kit by Mike Dicianna 7) Imrie's Pictorial History of the German Army Air Service by Chris Cato 8) e-Bay Items by "Paul Bourke" 9) Massive topic Drift.... by Don RInker 10) RE: Imrie's Pictorial History of the German Army Air Service by "Dr. Phillip Anz-Meador" 11) RE: Warning: Long Post Re: Some technical questions by "Rob." 12) Latest Windsock by Graham Nash 13) Who carries Strutz? by MCCLURE@skynet.dcs.eis.lmco.com 14) Re: Who carries Strutz? by "Richard Eaton" 15) Re: Tauro A7V WWI Tank Kit by Joey Valenciano 16) Re: e-Bay Items by Joey Valenciano 17) Re: Imrie's Pictorial History of the German Army Air Service by KarrArt@aol.com 18) Re: Greetings by mbittner@juno.com 19) Re: Imrie's Pictorial History of the German Army Air Service by "Andy Kemp" 20) Re: Morane-Saulnier I/N by mbittner@juno.com 21) Re: Another one done by mbittner@juno.com 22) Re: Who carries Strutz? by mbittner@juno.com 23) List Aircraft, armor and trains, was Re: eBay "goodie" by mbittner@juno.com 24) Re: Fokker Dr1 and lozenge by mbittner@juno.com 25) Re: List Aircraft, armor and trains, was Re: eBay "goodie" by Dave Watts ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 13:31:03 +1000 (EST) From: Mick Fauchon To: wwi Cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Avro Mystery Message-ID: David, > MANY THANKS TO PAUL AND EVERYONE ELSE FOR THE TIPS AND URLs over the > past couple of days - > > This List has more eyes and ears than Mafia - But we're not as good in the cement-shoes line.....80| Mick. -- -- Mick Fauchon | Internet: ulmjf@dewey.newcastle.edu.au Reference Section, Auchmuty Library | Ph (intl+61+49) 215861 University of Newcastle, AUSTRALIA | Fax (intl+61+49) 215833 MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM M M M Tasmanian Devil: "#@%!&^*%%...!#@!&**%^@@#$#-+*+*&##@...!!" M M M M Yosemite Sam : "Cut out that Army talk!..Yer in the Navy now!" M M M MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 21:50:18 -0700 (PDT) From: bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) To: wwi Subject: RE: Warning: Long Post Re: Some technical questions Message-ID: <199807210450.VAA23034@ednet1.orednet.org> Shane writes: >Having been away a week, this may be late and already answered but: > >>Thanks. Yes I saw that 963 number from the Windsock Special Part 1. >That >>is a HUGE amount of ammo and I'm a little dubious. I mean I could see >963 >>rounds INCLUDING the obeserver's drums...but 963 just for the fixed >Vickers! >>If anyone could shed further light on this I would appreciate it. >Anyone >>else have comments on the 963 rounds? TIA. >Well, 500 rpg in a twin gun fighter is common enough, and the Biff is a >big plane. The ammo box is large too (and visible in may cockpit pics. I >suspect that 963 would indeed be a theoretical full load, though I'm >guessing that a real war load would be more likely 900+ so that the belt >was less liable to jam. The thing that makes me question the stated 963 round ammunition capacity for the Bristol is that it is such a bloody _weird_ number. SFAIK, the standard belts for the Vickers were 100 rounds and 250 rounds and a quick check of my references on the specifications for _every_ other aircraft equipped with the Vickers gives an ammo capacity which is an even multiple of either 100 or 250. I can't imagine why the Bristol would end up with a specificed capacity of such an unusual number or why they would want to use custom-designed ammo belts for this single aircraft type. As you say, 1000 rounds total was not an uncommon ammo load for the aircraft equipped with twin Vickers - the Dolphin, I believe routinely carried 500 rpg _plus_ a Lewis (or two) with another 291 rounds so there is no particular reason the Bristol could not have carried a similar load. My only question is why _963_; why not just make it an even 1000 and use standard belts? Incidently, why would carrying less than the designed ammo load make the guns less likely to jam? I'm aware of the problem on some magazine-fed weapons where filling the magazine to maximum capacity can weaken the spring and cause feeding problems but this consideration wouldn't apply with a belt-fed weapon like the Vickers, would it? Cheers and all, -- Bill Shatzer - bshatzer@orednet.org ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 23:59:34 +0000 From: "Rob." To: wwi Subject: RE: Warning: Long Post Re: Some technical questions Message-ID: <199807210555.BAA10508@newman.concentric.net> I'm no expert on fire arms, but I can think of two reasons why odd ammo loads might be carried. First, Lewis drums might indeed be counted in the total, and some intermediary source might have passed on an incorrect total. The two kinds of Lewis drums hold 47 and 97 rounds, if memory serves (though Woodman is not at my elbow just now). The other reason is that a theoretical round-number load might be larger or smaller than reality depending on the armorer's skill in filling the magazine. The gun pulls its ammo belts through the action, but it requires a smooth feed--no twists, no snags, no hesitation--or there is likely to be a jam. The official full load assumes that an average armorer will be able to loosely lay belts holding the specified number of rounds in the magazine with a fair chance of avoiding problems. But good armorers in both wars learned to lay the belts into the ammo can more tightly--to increase the ammunition available to the pilot--wihout interfering with feed. Different-length belts were no problem for the Allies a t least (and probably for theCentral Powers, though evidence is sparse), because they had disintegrating-link metal belts that were made up by the armorer to the length required. Rob To e-mail me, replace the l with the numeral 1. Visit Chandelle, the Web Journal of Aviation History ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 16:10:19 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: wwi Subject: RE: Warning: Long Post Re: Some technical questions Message-ID: <199807210626.QAA16325@mimmon.mim.com.au> Bill propounds: >The thing that makes me question the stated 963 round ammunition >capacity for the Bristol is that it is such a bloody _weird_ >number. SFAIK, the standard belts for the Vickers were 100 >rounds and 250 rounds and a quick check of my references on the and also: >My only question is >why _963_; why not just make it an even 1000 and use standard >belts? and finally: >Incidently, why would carrying less than the designed ammo >load make the guns less likely to jam? The whole thing was purely surmise on my behalf, BUT Having spent an inordinately long time using a load of different MG's, SMG's and so on it occured to me that standardised loads such as 100 rd belts are frequently broken or shortened when practise shows that the manufactured stowage is a bloody tight fit for the full load. Rather than risk a stoppage because the belt is tightly jammed into a barely adequate space, sacrifice a little ammo and improve the chance the gun will go BANG the first time and keep on going BANG instead of providing a deafening and embarrasing silence. The reverse can be true too. Suppose you wanted to load up the absolute maximum. Maybe the *box* holds 900, but another 13 will fit in the chute (which seems hardly worth the effort except for propaganda, but look at all those air show photos of aircraft with bombloads they could never lift at all) Bottom line. I don't know. It would be feasible on the basis of load, but whether it's a fact is anyones guess Shane ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 23:31:28 -0700 (PDT) From: bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) To: wwi Subject: RE: Warning: Long Post Re: Some technical questions Message-ID: <199807210631.XAA29912@ednet1.orednet.org> Rob writes: >I'm no expert on fire arms, but I can think of two reasons why odd >ammo loads might be carried. >First, Lewis drums might indeed be >counted in the total, and some intermediary source might have passed >on an incorrect total. The two kinds of Lewis drums hold 47 and 97 >rounds, if memory serves (though Woodman is not at my elbow just >now). You're correct on the Lewis gun drums as far as I know but I tried to come up with some combination of 100 and 250 round belts and 47 and 97 round drums which equaled 963 and couldn't do it. >The other reason is that a theoretical round-number load might >be larger or smaller than reality depending on the armorer's skill in >filling the magazine. The gun pulls its ammo belts through the >action, but it requires a smooth feed--no twists, no snags, no >hesitation--or there is likely to be a jam. The official full load >assumes that an average armorer will be able to loosely lay belts >holding the specified number of rounds in the magazine with a fair >chance of avoiding problems. But good armorers in both wars learned >to lay the belts into the ammo can more tightly--to increase the >ammunition available to the pilot--wihout interfering with feed. >Different-length belts were no problem for the Allies a t least (and >probably for theCentral Powers, though evidence is sparse), because >they had disintegrating-link metal belts that were made up by the >armorer to the length required. Disintegrating-link belts? Not on the Vickers, SFAIK. The Vickers used fabric belts until discontinued by the British Army in the 1960's I think. Indeed, I understand that there are _still_ reserve units in the Indian Army equipped with Vickers MGs with fabric belts. I am willing to be disabused but SFAIK, fabric belts are the only thing that was ever used with the Vickers MG. Most (all?) WW1 allied aircraft had elaborate systems to take up the spent fabric belt from the Vickers gun(s). Cheers and all, -- Bill Shatzer - bshatzer@orednet.org ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 06:24:31 +0000 From: Mike Dicianna To: wwi Subject: Tauro A7V WWI Tank Kit Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19980721062431.00679c6c@proaxis.com> Received an ebay purchase in the mail yesterday...the WWI German Tank A7V. Picked it up for $18.00US. Found an old article in Military Modeler about the kit. I'm not much of an armor modeler but have to build this one...It is of the "correct" era! Lots o' parts, full interior (Hidden of course) and colorful paint scheme. Has a lot of potential. The article in the Military Modeler warned of some fit problems, almost impssible track construction and some detail inaccuracies. Have to start gathering more research materials.... Anyone out there built this kit? BTW I have developed a disposal list of my "off topic" kits to thin out the model closet to make room for more WWI Stuff! If anyone is interested, contact me off list. Might be "disposing" (trade) a couple of pegasus kits...Pfalz DIII and a Sopwith Strutter amoung others.... Mikedc ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 09:32:55 -0400 From: Chris Cato To: wwi Subject: Imrie's Pictorial History of the German Army Air Service Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980721093255.0090daf0@mail.connix.com> I may have located a copy of this book for under $20 dollars and am seriously considering buying it sight unseen. I've heard good things about Imrie's Dr.1 book but little about this one. It looks good - especially for someone like myself who has little in the way of photo documentation at this point. Any comments? In other news the Eduard Pfalz D.III that I've been working on since November is finally complete with .006 wire rigging and it is waiting for final PE parts and paint touch up. Almost there!!!! Chris Cato tcato@connix.com nu: Dakoplast S.XVI ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 00:14:28 +1000 From: "Paul Bourke" To: Subject: e-Bay Items Message-ID: <199807211412.AAA23717@magna.com.au> Folks, The following are on e-bay - thought someone might be interested. I had a hard time tracking down 1 of these Gotha's a while back ..... ended up paying more than the current bid prices. Haven't started it yet though it will require some work when I do get to it. Wish there were more hours in the day! 21616390 1:48 K & B Collector's Series Gotha G.V Model Kit Bid $20.50 21463195 1:48 K&B(Aurora)-Gotha G.V. Bomber Airplane Kit Bid $22.50 - reserve not met on this one Not my scale .... 21609791 1:32 Hobbycraft Billy Bishops Nieuport 17 Bid $5 While it's off topic there has been discussion lately about these kits. Great little kit! 21633461 1:48 Life-Like 1911 Avro Triplane Bid $4 Later, Paul ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 10:36:11 -0400 From: Don RInker To: wwi Subject: Massive topic Drift.... Message-ID: <35B4A75B.48AC@fast.net> This is in the nature of a request from you all. As another Hobby, I collect the Texaco "Wings of Texaco" historic aircraft series. #6 in the series has just been released ( THe Curtiss Robin.... Nice). THese are all Die Cast , but a bit differnt from that usual Nascar trash you see at Mall Shows, like a TravelAir with Mountain Dew logos and another with Dale Earnhart or some such foolish ( well, whatever flaots your boat , I guess) Anyway, I heard thru an auction on EBay, that in a cartons that the Curtiss Robbin comes in, they also include a specially painted 1929 TravelAir Model "R". This plane should be familiar to most of you. One was owned and flown by Texaco in the early thirties. Naturally this is something rather special. There is one available on Ebay but the seller is a little unrealistic with a massviely high reserve. So what I'm asking is, if you buy texaco gas, or can stop by a station, ask if they have any of the YELLOW TravelAir Model R. The regular issue one is red and white. If you can get one of these for me I'll pay up to 40.00 for it, plus 10.00 to you for your trouble. If youget it for less, Ill still pay the same. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 09:48:16 -0500 From: "Dr. Phillip Anz-Meador" To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Imrie's Pictorial History of the German Army Air Service Message-ID: <01BDB48C.B0118040.panz-meador@vsti.com> chris: buy the book. i got mine from the UTD library sale for $35US, and it's worth every penny. about evenly split between text (describing the development of the GAAS from the late 1800's until about 1920) and pictures. phillip -----Original Message----- From: Chris Cato [SMTP:tcato@connix.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 1998 8:37 AM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Imrie's Pictorial History of the German Army Air Service I may have located a copy of this book for under $20 dollars and am seriously considering buying it sight unseen. I've heard good things about Imrie's Dr.1 book but little about this one. It looks good - especially for someone like myself who has little in the way of photo documentation at this point. Any comments? In other news the Eduard Pfalz D.III that I've been working on since November is finally complete with .006 wire rigging and it is waiting for final PE parts and paint touch up. Almost there!!!! Chris Cato tcato@connix.com nu: Dakoplast S.XVI ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 09:18:06 +0000 From: "Rob." To: wwi Subject: RE: Warning: Long Post Re: Some technical questions Message-ID: <199807211514.LAA02845@newman.concentric.net> > Disintegrating-link belts? Not on the Vickers, SFAIK. The > Vickers used fabric belts until discontinued by the British Army > in the 1960's I think. Indeed, I understand that there are _still_ > reserve units in the Indian Army equipped with Vickers MGs with > fabric belts. > > I am willing to be disabused but SFAIK, fabric belts are the > only thing that was ever used with the Vickers MG. Most (all?) > WW1 allied aircraft had elaborate systems to take up the spent fabric > belt from the Vickers gun(s). Ground guns, maybe. They may have retained fabric belts for various reasons, perhaps just because they worked. Faric never worked well in the air. So, I quote from Woodman who is quoting the "'Supplement to Training Manual,' Royal Flying Corps, Part II, No. 1 (General Staff, War Office, July 1916). Articulated disintegrating link belt for Vickers guns (Copy of the German pattern): The standard belt for Vickers guns mounted in aircraft is composed of a series of stamped tin links joined together by the cartridges themselves. When the cartridge is withdrawn from the feed block, the link in which it is held detaches itself from the remainder of the belt and falls into the space provided, thus rendering the gun immune from stoppages due to the jamming of the empty belt in its box." The very first Vickers guns were converted ground guns, complete with spade grips and adjustable, infantry-type sights. They used fabric belts and had to have take-up spools or boxes for the empty belts. But, as anyone who has ever worked with cotton webbing knows, it is very prone to kinking, curling, stiffness and swelling in varying humidity. On the ground, the gunners could pull the thing apart to correct jams, the webbing probably held up better to rough handling than links would, and, with a loader to help the gun pull the belts through, you could easily hook belt after belt together for continuous fire (one Vickers ground gun fired over 2 million continuous rounds in tests). But in the air, these were terrible limitations. I checked and the large Lewis magazine holds 94 rounds, not 97 Rob To e-mail me, replace the l with the numeral 1. Visit Chandelle, the Web Journal of Aviation History ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 16:18:57 +0100 From: Graham Nash To: World War 1 Modelling List Subject: Latest Windsock Message-ID: <199807211519.LAA05747@egate2.citicorp.com> As Sandy is away on vacation I guess it falls to me to say that Windsock International and the Martinsyde Elephant Datafile are now out. Highlights of Windsock are: 1 Page Colour photos of only surviving Phonix D.III in Sweden 2 1/2 pages of Fokker E.III kits 3 page in-depth review of Blue Max Roland C.II 7 page Plans feature of Sopwith Swallow/Scooter 1 page of Archive Spad photos 2 page review of ICM's Ilya Muromets (no, Harry W still doesn't like it) 2 pages of markings info by Harry W (fun Turkish markings BTW) Review of Copper States' Fok D.V, Halb Cl.IV and Pfalz D.XII, Smer Dog Fight double (Sop.Tripe and Alb D.III) TC Models Vimy, Maquette DH9A, Pegasus Macchi M.5, Van's scale models figures, and Copper State accessories. 3 pages of Frances Foreign Legion of the air, 1 page of colour profiles (Nie. 24 & Spa XIII) 1 page Gallery Models Reprinted Datafiles ------------------- Late July 1998 Sopwith F.I Camel 26 Sopwith 1 1/2 Strutter 34 Nieuport 28 36 Junkers J.I 39 Late August 1998 RAF RE8 24 Avro 504K 28 SSW D.III-D.IV 29 RAF SE5 30 At the bottom of page 10 is 'Shape of Things to come'-forthcoming titles from Albatros. I've put down MY best guess as to whether they will be Datafiles, Minis or Specials,(D?,M? or S?) where applicable as Ray doesn't otherwise indicate. No publishing date is given. Great Britian AW FK.10 M? Airco D.H.1 M? Airco D.H.6 M Felixstowe F.2A D? Martinsyde F.4 D 1999 pub RAF FE8 D? RAF SE2/4 D 1999 pub Short 184 D? Sopwith Cuckoo M? Sopwith Comic M? Sopwith Salamander M? Vickers FB12 M? Vickers FB19 M? France AR.1/AR.2 D? Caudron G.3 D? Caudron G.4 D? MF 7 D? MF 11 D? M-S AC M? M-S BB M? M-S P D? Nieuport Triplane M? Spad 12 D? Voisins D? Germany Ago C.II M? Ago C.IV M? Albatros J.I/J.II D? Albatros C.V/16-/17 D? Albatros C.VII D 1999 pub Friedrichshafen F33 D 1999 pub Junkers CL.II D? Pfalz Dr.I M? Rumpler C.I D? Pfalz D.VIII M? Rumpler C.I M?(Ray lists this twice-I wonder if its a typo and should be G.I?) SSW D.I M? SSW R planes D? Zeppelin Staakens D? or S ? Italy Ansaldo A.1 M? Ansaldo Baby M Caproni Ca.3 D 1999 pub Macchi M.5 D? Russia Anatra DS D? Sikorsky I.M. Veh D United States Curtiss JN4 D or S (2 vols) Le Pere Lusac M? Standard E.1 D? Thomas Morse S4 D? HP O/400 S Breguet 14 S Airco D.H.9A S Jasta 5 S Tauben S? Brandenburg C.I.D.I D 1999 pub Salmson D? Gotha G.I M? RAF BE8 M? Bombs D? Zepplins S? Fokker D.I-D.IV Classic (pub 1999?) I hope this will keep ypu all going until your copies arrive. Happy modelling ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 08:28:55 -0700 From: MCCLURE@skynet.dcs.eis.lmco.com To: WWI Subject: Who carries Strutz? Message-ID: <980721082855.20a04f5b@skynet.dcs.eis.lmco.com> I am trying to find out who in North America carries Strutz? Failing that, any UK sources? Thanks. Kent McClure alt email address kent.mcclure@lmco.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 10:42:48 -0500 From: "Richard Eaton" To: wwi Subject: Re: Who carries Strutz? Message-ID: <35B4B6F8.1E42E6C0@dsccc.com> Roll Models carries the metal strutz. They are a tad expensive but worth it in my HO. Check their web store under Streamline Strut. Regards, Richard MCCLURE@skynet.dcs.eis.lmco.com wrote: > > I am trying to find out who in North America carries Strutz? Failing that, any UK sources? Thanks. > > Kent McClure > alt email address kent.mcclure@lmco.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 22:28:52 +0800 From: Joey Valenciano To: wwi Subject: Re: Tauro A7V WWI Tank Kit Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19980721222852.0075dd60@philonline.com.ph> Hi Mike, >Anyone out there built this kit? Assembling the tracks may turn out a nightmare. Warning, don't use the pins supplied to link the tracks together, what usually happens is that the rings/hoops tear when you insert the pins. My suggestion is to use smaller diameter rod for this. Also, you may not need to add the springs to the suspention, the springs are too stiff and you may get a better semblance of working suspension without the springs. Another thing, you may not need to assemble an entire set of tracks as the top run is hidden. On the chassis, the two horn-like(?) protrusions in the front (and rear?) of the the lower part of the vehicle are actually light covers. As I said, I have a set of articles on markings for this vehicle from Tankette. The pages are scanned already. I should send them to Chris (along w/ the other WWI armour info I posted some weeks back) soon. ********************************************************************* Joey Valenciano WW1 modeller, teacher, jazz musician, joeyval@philonline.com. sitarist Metro-Manila, Philippines "The more you know, the more you don't know." ********************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 22:21:14 +0800 From: Joey Valenciano To: wwi Subject: Re: e-Bay Items Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19980721222114.0075dd60@philonline.com.ph> >While it's off topic there has been discussion lately about these kits. >Great little kit! >21633461 1:48 Life-Like 1911 Avro Triplane Bid $4 Yes, it is. Anyone bidding for this one? BTW, Paul, did you finally win the bid for the Handasyde? I'm on the lookout for one myself, so if anyone knows of the whereabouts of one... ********************************************************************* Joey Valenciano WW1 modeller, teacher, jazz musician, joeyval@philonline.com. sitarist Metro-Manila, Philippines "The more you know, the more you don't know." ********************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 12:57:59 EDT From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Imrie's Pictorial History of the German Army Air Service Message-ID: <1c5cb04a.35b4c899@aol.com> In a message dated 98-07-21 09:35:21 EDT, you write: << I may have located a copy of this book for under $20 dollars and am seriously considering buying it sight unseen.>> My copy of this 1971 book is a small hardback, not too thick, but lurking within is great stuff. First half is text- organization, history, glossary etc.Second half is a mess of photos- some familiar, some not.A copy for under $20? Go for it! Robert K. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 11:19:06 -0500 From: mbittner@juno.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Greetings Message-ID: <19980721.140830.-177121.0.mbittner@juno.com> On Thu, 16 Jul 1998 19:32:18 -0400 Mick Fauchon writes: > Matt, Matt, Matt.....no cutting and pasting this time. He said it! >.....I'm presuming the reference is to the aircraft, not the person >80) Matt Bittner _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 20:25:50 +0100 From: "Andy Kemp" To: Subject: Re: Imrie's Pictorial History of the German Army Air Service Message-ID: <007801bdb4df$cb2be480$d705e8c3@whatever> Go for it Chris! Alex may a tight-fisted old Scot, but he knows a thing or two about the german air services in WW1 :-) Andy K -----Original Message----- From: Chris Cato To: Multiple recipients of list Date: 21 July 1998 14:39 Subject: Imrie's Pictorial History of the German Army Air Service >I may have located a copy of this book for under $20 dollars and am >seriously considering buying it sight unseen. I've heard good things about >Imrie's Dr.1 book but little about this one. It looks good - especially >for someone like myself who has little in the way of photo documentation at >this point. Any comments? > >In other news the Eduard Pfalz D.III that I've been working on since >November is finally complete with .006 wire rigging and it is waiting for >final PE parts and paint touch up. Almost there!!!! > >Chris Cato >tcato@connix.com > >nu: Dakoplast S.XVI > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 14:36:12 -0500 From: mbittner@juno.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Morane-Saulnier I/N Message-ID: <19980721.145853.-177121.8.mbittner@juno.com> On Sun, 19 Jul 1998 17:52:05 -0400 Shane Weier writes: >Of course. Now *I* wouldn't have a project hanging over me for years and >years would I ? Oh, no. Not you! ;-) Matt Bittner _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 14:22:51 -0500 From: mbittner@juno.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Another one done Message-ID: <19980721.145853.-177121.4.mbittner@juno.com> On Sat, 18 Jul 1998 17:17:39 -0400 Pedro e Francisca Soares writes: >I'VE FINISHED IT!!!!! Super! >Lovely looking kit. Will take a couple of shots one of these days, so >that you can see it. Please do! Matt Bittner _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 14:58:50 -0500 From: mbittner@juno.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Who carries Strutz? Message-ID: <19980721.145853.-177121.10.mbittner@juno.com> On Tue, 21 Jul 1998 11:51:42 -0400 "Richard Eaton" writes: >Roll Models carries the metal strutz. They are a tad expensive but >worth it in my HO. Check their web store under Streamline Strut. I think Sopwith carries it as well. Matt Bittner _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 14:34:29 -0500 From: mbittner@juno.com To: wwi Subject: List Aircraft, armor and trains, was Re: eBay "goodie" Message-ID: <19980721.145853.-177121.7.mbittner@juno.com> On Sun, 19 Jul 1998 15:17:00 -0400 Dave Watts writes: > Now back to airplanes, although trains were often not to far away from >the planes. Unlike what a lot of people on this list thinks, we're not all plane-heads. Some of us build armor too. And, FWIW, I have the book _Narrow Gauge to No Man's Land_, and really want to build a working diorama (layout for you "others") of the US' narrow gauge in France during the war. Matt Bittner _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 14:19:59 -0500 From: mbittner@juno.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Fokker Dr1 and lozenge Message-ID: <19980721.145853.-177121.3.mbittner@juno.com> On Sat, 18 Jul 1998 04:33:40 -0400 bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) writes: >-soap box mode on- > >[please note that this posting is on topic and contains no references > to obscure rock musicians or to rock bands, obscure or otherwise, > - none of which are, theoretically, allowed by the stated charter of > this list.] > >-soap box mode off- Hear here!!! I go on an extended weekend to visit Erik P. in Seattle, get back and 75% of the new messages from this list are wayyyyy off topic. While there I watched Erik just delete messages without reading them. I realise the list can be slow otherwise, but let's keep it to a WW1-majority bent, please? The majority of my time in Seattle has been music. Matt Bittner _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 15:19:32 -0500 From: Dave Watts To: wwi Subject: Re: List Aircraft, armor and trains, was Re: eBay "goodie" Message-ID: <199807212020.PAA00335@sam.on-net.net> More power to you! (or is that more steam to you?) Best Wishes, Dave PS:We have several French and French/US narrow gauge locos. At 04:01 PM 7/21/98 -0400, you wrote: >On Sun, 19 Jul 1998 15:17:00 -0400 Dave Watts >writes: > >> Now back to airplanes, although trains were often not to far away from >>the planes. > >Unlike what a lot of people on this list thinks, we're not all >plane-heads. Some of us build armor too. And, FWIW, I have the book >_Narrow Gauge to No Man's Land_, and really want to build a working >diorama (layout for you "others") of the US' narrow gauge in France >during the war. > > >Matt Bittner > >_____________________________________________________________________ >You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. >Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com >Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] > ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 1120 **********************