WWI Digest 1117 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: here comes trouble! was Re: Fokker Dr1 and lozenge by bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) 2) Re: here comes trouble! was Re: Fokker Dr1 and lozenge by Bob Pearson 3) Re: here comes trouble! was Re: Fokker Dr1 and lozenge by Bill Bacon 4) Re: here comes trouble! was Re: Fokker Dr1 and lozenge by Ernest Thomas 5) Re: here comes trouble! was Re: Fokker Dr1 and lozenge by Bob Pearson 6) Re: here comes trouble! was Re: Fokker Dr1 and lozenge by Ernest Thomas 7) Re: here comes trouble! was Re: Fokker Dr1 and lozenge by Bill Bacon 8) Re: here comes trouble! was Re: Fokker Dr1 and lozenge by Bill Bacon 9) Re: here comes trouble! was Re: Fokker Dr1 and lozenge by Ernest Thomas 10) Re: here comes trouble! was Re: Fokker Dr1 and lozenge by KarrArt@aol.com 11) Re: eBay "goodie" by Dave Watts 12) RE: eBay "goodie" by Dave Watts 13) Re: here comes trouble! was Re: Fokker Dr1 and lozenge by Bill Bacon 14) Re: here comes trouble! was Re: Fokker Dr1 and lozenge by bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) 15) Re: here comes trouble! was Re: Fokker Dr1 and lozenge by "Vincent Price" 16) RE: eBay "goodie" by Mike Dicianna 17) Re: Fokker Dr1 and lozenge by Don Rinker 18) Re: eBay "goodie" by "CHARLES JOHNSON" 19) Re: eBay "goodie" by "CHARLES JOHNSON" 20) Fokker D.V bits by Zulis@aol.com 21) Re: Fokker D.V bits by Don Rinker 22) In need of advice by "Steven M. Perry" 23) Re: Fokker Dr1 and lozenge and Ursula by nieuport@juno.com (scott scarborough) 24) Re: Fokker D.V bits by Zulis@aol.com 25) Re: here comes trouble! was Re: Fokker Dr1 and lozenge by "Fernando E. Lamas, M.D." 26) Re: In need of advice by Aidrian Bridgeman-Sutton 27) Fokkers & "The Blue Max" by David & Carol Fletcher 28) Re: here comes trouble! was Re: Fokker Dr1 and lozenge by KarrArt@aol.com 29) RE: eBay "goodie" by Dave Watts 30) Re: Fokker D.I kits? by DavidL1217@aol.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 22:43:24 -0700 (PDT) From: bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) To: wwi Subject: Re: here comes trouble! was Re: Fokker Dr1 and lozenge Message-ID: <199807190543.WAA00717@ednet1.orednet.org> Ernest Thomas wrote (in regards to "The Blue Max"): >Just curious. Am I the only guy here who thinks this movie, aside from >some of the flying bits, really stunk? No. Cheers and all, -- Bill Shatzer - bshatzer@orednet.org ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 22:50:54 -0700 From: Bob Pearson To: WW1 Mailing list Subject: Re: here comes trouble! was Re: Fokker Dr1 and lozenge Message-ID: <05505487223894@KAIEN.COM> E. wrote ... > Just curious. Am I the only guy here who thinks this movie, aside from > some of the flying bits, really stunk? > > E. Is there any other reason to see it? Bob ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 00:51:59 -0500 From: Bill Bacon To: wwi Subject: Re: here comes trouble! was Re: Fokker Dr1 and lozenge Message-ID: <35B1897F.1CE1BB7F@netjava.net> Bob, How about sweet Ursla? Cheers, Bill B. Bob Pearson wrote: > E. wrote ... > > > > Just curious. Am I the only guy here who thinks this movie, aside from > > some of the flying bits, really stunk? > > > > E. > > Is there any other reason to see it? > > Bob ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 00:55:22 -0500 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi Subject: Re: here comes trouble! was Re: Fokker Dr1 and lozenge Message-ID: <35B18A4A.6910@bellsouth.net> Bob Pearson wrote: > Is there any other reason to see it? Well, there is whats-her-name with the legs and all./%] E. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 23:03:06 -0700 From: Bob Pearson To: WW1 Mailing list Subject: Re: here comes trouble! was Re: Fokker Dr1 and lozenge Message-ID: <06030608423923@KAIEN.COM> Maybe if that damn towel wasn't there, but otherwise still no . . . . Now if they had followed the book and it was his CO's wife as well, well that would be another story (ha, ha, another story, get it . . . sorry) Bob ---------- > From: Bill Bacon > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Re: here comes trouble! was Re: Fokker Dr1 and lozenge > Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 01:53:31 -0400 > > Bob, > > How about sweet Ursla? > > Cheers, > > Bill B. > > Bob Pearson wrote: > > > E. wrote ... > > > > > > > Just curious. Am I the only guy here who thinks this movie, aside from > > > some of the flying bits, really stunk? > > > > > > E. > > > > Is there any other reason to see it? > > > > Bob > > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 00:57:44 -0500 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi Subject: Re: here comes trouble! was Re: Fokker Dr1 and lozenge Message-ID: <35B18AD8.33C1@bellsouth.net> Bill Bacon wrote: > > Bob, > > How about sweet Ursla? Yeah!(self inflicted smack on the head) that's her. E. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 01:11:16 -0500 From: Bill Bacon To: wwi Subject: Re: here comes trouble! was Re: Fokker Dr1 and lozenge Message-ID: <35B18E04.2E2B2A60@netjava.net> Ernest, How could you torget? Cheers, Bill B. Ernest Thomas wrote: > Bill Bacon wrote: > > > > Bob, > > > > How about sweet Ursla? > > Yeah!(self inflicted smack on the head) that's her. > E. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 01:14:34 -0500 From: Bill Bacon To: wwi Subject: Re: here comes trouble! was Re: Fokker Dr1 and lozenge Message-ID: <35B18ECA.36ECBF9F@netjava.net> Bob, As awise one once said, _Some you win, some you lose and some get rained out but you sotta suit up for all of 'em_. Cheers, Bill B. Bob Pearson wrote: > Maybe if that damn towel wasn't there, but otherwise still no . . . . Now > if they had followed the book and it was his CO's wife as well, well that > would be another story (ha, ha, another story, get it . . . sorry) > > Bob > > ---------- > > From: Bill Bacon > > To: Multiple recipients of list > > Subject: Re: here comes trouble! was Re: Fokker Dr1 and lozenge > > Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 01:53:31 -0400 > > > > Bob, > > > > How about sweet Ursla? > > > > Cheers, > > > > Bill B. > > > > Bob Pearson wrote: > > > > > E. wrote ... > > > > > > > > > > Just curious. Am I the only guy here who thinks this movie, aside from > > > > some of the flying bits, really stunk? > > > > > > > > E. > > > > > > Is there any other reason to see it? > > > > > > Bob > > > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 01:37:08 -0500 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi Subject: Re: here comes trouble! was Re: Fokker Dr1 and lozenge Message-ID: <35B19414.5C81@bellsouth.net> Bill Bacon wrote: > > Ernest, > > How could you torget? Well... I just bought my first house, moving tomorrow, wife having a baby next week one way or the other... I guess I got 'torgetfulf'./%] and btw, I remembered before you reminded me, it was just more fun to do the self inflicted smack in the head. And in an unrelated but on-topic(for a change)story, I picked up the Albatripe today. Real nice kit, even if it is in the cheap power tool price range. E. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 03:03:29 EDT From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: here comes trouble! was Re: Fokker Dr1 and lozenge Message-ID: <2c5629e5.35b19a43@aol.com> In a message dated 98-07-19 00:47:14 EDT, you write: << Just curious. Am I the only guy here who thinks this movie, aside from some of the flying bits, really stunk? E. >> Well, it's the old cliche- "the book was better". I don't think the movie is offensively bad, but it could have a heck of a lot better. I saw it when it was released, and I DID enjoy Ursula Andress' butt as only a 13 year old can. Compared to the book, alot of real meaning was lost, characters diddled with- even the ending is different- Stachel's not the one killed in the book. Main problem was Peppard's acting, plus he was too old. Robert K. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 02:25:11 -0500 From: Dave Watts To: wwi Subject: Re: eBay "goodie" Message-ID: <199807190725.CAA26412@sam.on-net.net> My eBay handle is "fokker". later, Dave W. At 01:24 PM 7/18/98 -0400, you wrote: >In a message dated 98-07-18 13:00:03 EDT, you write: > ><< Maybe some of us on the list who have Ebay "handles" (user IDs) that don't >look > like our names on the list should let each other know them. >> > >Dave Zulis = "Vulture2" > >(as in.. "Can't kill nothin'..... nothin' won't die..." Buzzard Luck, by >Downchild Blues Band) > >DZ > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 02:40:23 -0500 From: Dave Watts To: wwi Subject: RE: eBay "goodie" Message-ID: <199807190741.CAA26533@sam.on-net.net> Mike, I think you will enjoy the books, they are more general, but they cover a lot of territory, and were probably considered a early desk reference by many hobbists. If you can get them anywhere near the present bid, you would be doing well. As to the trains, I have a mail order model train shop. We ship world wide, and specialize in 1/22nd-1/29th scale trains, and associated items, such as Preiser figures, Noch trees, etc. Some items may be applicable for some aircraft modellers. That's enough of a non paid advert, as I will allow. Happy Trainin', whoops, that should have been, Happy Modelin' Dave Watts John Glaser = "Lothar" WW1 FIGHTERS - small size 5 book set. The current bid amount is: $41.00 The auction closes : 07/18/98 15:48:24 PDT Are these books worth it...they sure looked interesting? Dave...Trains? Greetings from an N Scale Espee modeler!! BLACK WIDOW F7s RULE! MikeDC ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 02:47:11 -0500 From: Bill Bacon To: wwi Subject: Re: here comes trouble! was Re: Fokker Dr1 and lozenge Message-ID: <35B1A47F.BD59A435@netjava.net> Ernest, Congratulations On your new house and the family addition. No wonder you "torgot". Someday I'll teach this machine to spell or better yet, use the spell checker. Cheers, Bill B. Ernest Thomas wrote: > Bill Bacon wrote: > > > > Ernest, > > > > How could you torget? > > Well... I just bought my first house, moving tomorrow, wife having a > baby next week one way or the other... I guess I got 'torgetfulf'./%] > and btw, I remembered before you reminded me, it was just more fun to do > the self inflicted smack in the head. > > And in an unrelated but on-topic(for a change)story, I picked up the > Albatripe today. Real nice kit, even if it is in the cheap power tool > price range. > E. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 00:50:50 -0700 (PDT) From: bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) To: wwi Subject: Re: here comes trouble! was Re: Fokker Dr1 and lozenge Message-ID: <199807190750.AAA26934@ednet1.orednet.org> Bill Bacon wrote: >Bob, >How about sweet Ursla? Bill, ya' need to get yer spell-checker fixed. I'm sure ya' meant "Ursinus". And, no, I don't recall any of them appearing in the movie. :-) Cheers and all, -- Bill Shatzer - bshatzer@orednet.org ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 17:56:17 +1000 From: "Vincent Price" To: Subject: Re: here comes trouble! was Re: Fokker Dr1 and lozenge Message-ID: Away with you!! ;-) ---------- > From: Ernest Thomas > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: here comes trouble! was Re: Fokker Dr1 and lozenge > Date: Sunday, 19 July 1998 14:46 > > Bob Pearson wrote: > > > lozenge covered Dr.Is had Willy's family crest below the cockpit (or was > > that his D.VII?) > > Just curious. Am I the only guy here who thinks this movie, aside from > some of the flying bits, really stunk? > > E. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 01:05:49 +0000 From: Mike Dicianna To: wwi Subject: RE: eBay "goodie" Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19980719010549.00677f1c@proaxis.com> At 03:44 AM 7/19/98 -0400, you wrote: > Mike, I think you will enjoy the books, they are more general, but they >cover a lot of territory, and were probably considered a early desk >reference by many hobbists. If you can get them anywhere near the present >bid, you would be doing well. > As to the trains, I have a mail order model train shop. We ship world >wide, and specialize in 1/22nd-1/29th scale trains, and associated items, >such as Preiser figures, Noch trees, etc. Some items may be applicable for >some aircraft modellers. > That's enough of a non paid advert, as I will allow. > Happy Trainin', whoops, that should have been, >Happy Modelin' > Dave >Watts > >John Glaser = "Lothar" > >WW1 FIGHTERS - small size 5 book set. >The current bid amount is: $41.00 >The auction closes : 07/18/98 15:48:24 PDT > > Are these books worth it...they sure looked interesting? > > Dave...Trains? Greetings from an N Scale Espee modeler!! BLACK WIDOW F7s >RULE! > > MikeDC > >Noticed that the bid was up over $90.00 for the books. I'll try to track them down locally. Always planned on doing a garden layout. The idea of a large scale Shay with a logging load creaking accross a trestle over a large goldfish pond has been in my model railroading plans for years. Do you have a web site or just an mailorder catalog? Mike > > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 09:47:28 -0400 From: Don Rinker To: wwi Subject: Re: Fokker Dr1 and lozenge Message-ID: <35B1F8F0.EFFE8D2E@fast.net> > Pedro writes: > > >I went to Borders bookstore this morning and found Wolfgang Schuster's > >and Achim Sven Engels' Fokker V5/Dr.1. It's and english translation, > >published by Schiffer. Nice photos and text, but there's a strange > >photo on the first page. It shows a Dr.1 with a solid color fuselage > >(very dark), old style iron crosses with no other marking visible and > >lozenge fabric on the wings!!! The Dr-1 replica in the Fokker V5/Dr-1 book by Achin Engels is most certainly one of three Dutch Fokker homebuilt replicas flown in the early 90's in Holland and France at various fly ins and gatherings. Each has been thru several repaints and owners so they are difficult to track. The plane in the backgound is a Deperdussin monoplane replica built for a late 70's French TV series. THis plane also did the European show and fly in cicuit for several years. It's now in the USA at the Owls Head Museum in Maine. Here's a nice link that shows the Dep and possibly the fokker in a leter color scheme. These photos beyond the thumbnails are extreme hi rez and make great wallpaper backgounds at 800 x 600. Go here for the link. http://lpd700.supelec.fr:1999/herve/Antique.html Somewhere in my archives I have some rather complete histories on the Blue Max film repros, but that's a story for another day. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 10:25:49 -0400 From: "CHARLES JOHNSON" To: Subject: Re: eBay "goodie" Message-ID: <19980719142647.KLJK18114@default> they were up to 91.00 last nite. i too spend alot of time and money on there also :=). my handle is pittbull on ebay Charlie ---------- > From: Mike Dicianna > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Re: eBay "goodie" > Date: Saturday, July 18, 1998 1:01 PM > > At 02:55 AM 7/18/98 -0400, you wrote: > >Thought I'd mention this item still available for bid on eBay auction; > > > >Item 20896217 > >WW1 FIGHTERS - small size 5 book set. > >The current bid amount is: $41.00 > >The auction closes : 07/18/98 15:48:24 PDT > > > >I bid on it earlier, but since I already have a set, there's no use in > >being greedy. > >Best Luck, > >Dave Watts > > > > Maybe some of us on the list who have Ebay "handles" (user IDs) that don't look > like our names on the list should let each other know them. That way we can > keep track of how much money we are all spending on ebay...or maybe to shill > up bids... I know I spend major bucks each month on this particular addiction. > > Are these books worth it...they sure looked interesting? > > Dave...Trains? Greetings from an N Scale Espee modeler!! BLACK WIDOW F7s RULE! > > MikeDC > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 10:35:43 -0400 From: "CHARLES JOHNSON" To: Subject: Re: eBay "goodie" Message-ID: <19980719143636.KOGT18114@default> my ebay handle is pittbull. Charlie ---------- > From: Dave Watts > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Re: eBay "goodie" > Date: Sunday, July 19, 1998 3:29 AM > > My eBay handle is "fokker". > later, > Dave W. > > At 01:24 PM 7/18/98 -0400, you wrote: > >In a message dated 98-07-18 13:00:03 EDT, you write: > > > ><< Maybe some of us on the list who have Ebay "handles" (user IDs) that don't > >look > > like our names on the list should let each other know them. >> > > > >Dave Zulis = "Vulture2" > > > >(as in.. "Can't kill nothin'..... nothin' won't die..." Buzzard Luck, by > >Downchild Blues Band) > > > >DZ > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 11:20:25 EDT From: Zulis@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Fokker D.V bits Message-ID: <2a8963d5.35b20eba@aol.com> I recently stumbled across something at the Der Rittemeister's military memorabilia site (http://www.derrittmeister.com/) which might interest those of you who, like me, like to track an a/c serial number now and then. He has acquired from an unnamed museum in Germany the complete rudder assembly from a Fokker D.V which he hopes to sell for abou $ 7,500. The unit includes a factory build number stamp which allowed them to identify it as belonging to Fokker D.V 2676/16, a photograph of which is on page three of the Windsock Mini Datafile 11. The unit looks pretty scruffy but I guess that is to be expected after all these years. Just thought I'd mention it.... Dave Z ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 11:30:47 -0400 From: Don Rinker To: wwi Subject: Re: Fokker D.V bits Message-ID: <35B21127.5FE66E8B@fast.net> > > He has acquired from an unnamed museum in Germany the complete rudder assembly > from a Fokker D.V which he hopes to sell for abou $ 7,500. The unit > includes a factory build number stamp which allowed them to identify it as > belonging to Fokker D.V 2676/16, a photograph of which is on page three of > the Windsock Mini Datafile 11. The unit looks pretty scruffy but I guess > that is to be expected after all these years. > > Just thought I'd mention it.... Oh, golly, another one of my rudder "projects" found it's way onto the for sale market.. Just hope they don't X-ray it like the last few that popped up... :-) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 12:04:24 -0400 From: "Steven M. Perry" To: wwi Subject: In need of advice Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19980720120424.00692afc@pop.mindspring.com> List: I'm in the process of deciding how best to attach the wings of my Smer DH-2. I have two approaches in mind and was hoping those with more experience could recommend one over the other or better yet, suggest one of those "Gee, why didn't I think of that?" solutions. The lower wing must be cut into panels and attached to the nacelle at the correct dihedral as in the original, (the model's lower wing has a ficticious center section which must go.). The upper wing needs to be cut into panels also because it's molded in dihedral includes the center section. I'll discard this and make my own center section. BTW, all the rib deatil is gone from the wings and they are sanded to scale thickness and have just noticable rib taping. Now my two approaches are: Either mount the lower panels to the nacelle, add cabaine struts & upper center section, then the interplane struts and finally the upper wing panels. OR, Build the upper & lower wing panels as a seperate uint for each side and mount them to the nacelle/cabaine/upper center section unit. Which ever way, I intended to build a jig for positioning the pieces. What about wire "pins" in the wing roots for support? Any preferences or better ideas? TIA sp ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 12:08:43 -0400 From: nieuport@juno.com (scott scarborough) To: wwi Cc: wwi Subject: Re: Fokker Dr1 and lozenge and Ursula Message-ID: <19980719.120845.6878.0.nieuport@juno.com> On Sun, 19 Jul 1998 01:53:33 -0400 Bill Bacon writes: >Bob, > >How about sweet Ursla? (Ursula) >Yea, she certainly was a saucy baggage. Now after thirty years, she is probably a baggy sausage. Any one remember "She". That one stunk too, but she was pretty hot. >Cheers, > >Bill B. > >Bob Pearson wrote: > >> E. wrote ... >> >> >> > Just curious. Am I the only guy here who thinks this movie, aside >from >> > some of the flying bits, really stunk? >> > >> > E. >> >> Is there any other reason to see it? >> >> Bob > > > > _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 12:26:40 EDT From: Zulis@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Fokker D.V bits Message-ID: In a message dated 98-07-19 11:30:50 EDT, Don wrote/confessed : << Oh, golly, another one of my rudder "projects" found it's way onto the for sale market.. Just hope they don't X-ray it like the last few that popped up... :-) >> Funny guy.... :-) Jotting down your name for future reference..... I guess it is a little like the MvR business. If all the little scraps of fabric out there purporting to be from his last plane were genuine, there would be enough fabric out there to cover a Jumbo Jet.... DZ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 11:00:41 -0700 From: "Fernando E. Lamas, M.D." To: wwi Subject: Re: here comes trouble! was Re: Fokker Dr1 and lozenge Message-ID: At 03:06 AM 7/19/98 -0400, you wrote:. >Main problem was Peppard's acting, plus he was too old. >Robert K. > > They're always too old. If a WW I aviation movie portrayed WW I aviators as the hell-raising 20-something year olds that most of them were (as in Top Gun) intead of stuffy middle aged guys sipping champagne (as in Blue Max), there would be a wider inerest in WW I aviation. It would be "cool". Maybe the list could collaborate and come up with such a screenplay and sell it to Spielberg. :-) We could make it historically accurate and color police it to ensure that there are no lozenge Dr.I's. Spielberg could use computer graphics to create all sorts of aircraft and effects. We could blow up observation ballons. We can have Leonardo What's-his-name as the star. We could ensure that there is not a towel in sight at one of Anthony Fokker's wild parties. Then we can get to see ALL of Ursula.....wait a minute.....how old is she now?.....if I was 12 and she was about 29..... Well, never mind that last one. Fernando Lamas ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 06:46:18 -0700 From: Aidrian Bridgeman-Sutton To: wwi Subject: Re: In need of advice Message-ID: <35B34A2A.3688@connectorsystems.co.nz> I think that the building and jigging of complete upper and lower mainplane assemblies would be easier to manage than trying to do the Port/starboard assemblies around a pre-assembled centre section. The use of wire pins and 24 hour epoxy gives an immensely strong joint; unless you are enormously more skilled than I am (not hard) it pays to drill the 'oles for the pins oversize so that the angles can be adjusted in the jig. Something else learned from the model railway people - they make insulated axles with pins and epoxy; If you are pinning, drill a very small bleed hole from the wing surface to meet the hole for the pin. In the absence of this, the epoxy round the pin forms a rather good seal, and inserting the pin tends to compress a very small amount of air behind it which tends to force the pin out again. A bleed hole lets the air escape. Aidrian I've learnt by my mistakes and can repeat them perfectly. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 12:07:56 -0700 From: David & Carol Fletcher To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Fokkers & "The Blue Max" Message-ID: <35B2440C.2B18@mars.ark.com> Here comes that WWII modeller streaking out of the Western sky again... I missed the start of this thread, but I gather it is about the Fokker Dr.1s in "The Blue Max" - or at least that is where it has led. I have the original souvenir programme (program y'all) for The Blue Max, published in 1966. There were three Dr.1s built by Claude Rousseau for the film. All three were flown from France to the filming site in Eire, displaying appropriate courage by the pilots!. One, inevitably, was red (with white wheel discs and forward cowl), but the other two were lozenge-patterned overall. It appears that the same stencils were used on the two aircraft, but were positioned differently, hence confirming two airframes. The pattern was basically the same as that used on the Stampe biplanes that masqueraded as generic German fighters. The technical adviser was noted as "Commander Allen Wheeler". That shows the reliability of the brochure, since he was "Air Commodore Allen Wheeler" when I met him on the set of "Those Magnificent Men in Their Flying Machines" a couple of years earlier... Eat your hearts out, music freaks. Back to the lozenge: It is a relatively convincing pattern (by Hollywood standards) and as near as I can tell, the colours (colors y'all) are medium grey, dark grey, olive, brown, cream, tan and pale mauve. The biggest problem with movie replicas is that they keep appearing in aviation books without comment as to their lack of being originals, thus muddying the waters. And, yes, it was a lousy movie. Dave Fletcher mdf@mars.ark.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 15:10:11 EDT From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: here comes trouble! was Re: Fokker Dr1 and lozenge Message-ID: <2c56d462.35b24495@aol.com> In a message dated 98-07-19 03:52:07 EDT, you write: << Bill, ya' need to get yer spell-checker fixed. I'm sure ya' meant "Ursinus". >> To bad she didn't "bear" it all ( forgive me for the bad pun) RK ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 14:13:09 -0500 From: Dave Watts To: wwi Subject: RE: eBay "goodie" Message-ID: <199807191913.OAA06962@sam.on-net.net> I always wanted to do a delivery train with Fokker Dr.I's or D.VII's, on its' way to the flug park depot. The trains we specialize in are L.G.B., and they specialize in narrow gauge German railways. >Always planned on doing a garden layout. The idea of a large scale Shay with >a logging load creaking accross a trestle over a large goldfish pond has been >in my model railroading plans for years. Do you have a web site or just an >mailorder catalog? The Bachmann Shay, (in 1:20.3 narrow gauge scale), was chosen by model railroader magazine as the model train product for 1997, regardless of scale. That says something for it. Our web site is www.wattstrainshop.com Now back to airplanes, although trains were often not to far away from the planes. Best to all, Dave W. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 15:29:06 EDT From: DavidL1217@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Fokker D.I kits? Message-ID: <8b8bef7c.35b24903@aol.com> I saw a Meikraft Fokker DI at CRM Hobbies @ 19.95 Their phone is 314 645 1117 ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 1117 **********************