WWI Digest 1115 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Off topic test to check re-subscribe by smperry@mindspring.com 2) Re: Off topic test to check re-subscribe by Ernest Thomas 3) RE: Scale plans of Alb. D.III and DH.2 by "Reid Sweatman" 4) RE: Scale plans of Alb. D.III and DH.2 by "Reid Sweatman" 5) RE: Off topic boast to all the musicians on the list! by "Reid Sweatman" 6) RE: Off topic boast to all the musicians on the list! by "Reid Sweatman" 7) RE: Off topic boast to all the musicians on the list! by "Reid Sweatman" 8) Sim. Schuc. DIV? by Jeff Hamblen 9) Re: Off topic boast to all the musicians on the list! by Ernest Thomas 10) Re: Off topic boast to all the musicians on the list! by KarrArt@aol.com 11) RE: JN4 Cannuck Questions by "Chris Banyai-Riepl" 12) JN-4 Canuck by David & Carol Fletcher 13) RE: boast to musicians: Wettonmania/Heeporama? by Patrick Padovan 14) Manzanera wasRe: boast to musicians: Wettonmania/Heeporama? by KarrArt@aol.com 15) Re: JN-4 Canuck by KarrArt@aol.com 16) Re: Manzanera wasRe: boast to musicians: Wettonmania/Heeporama? by Patrick Padovan 17) Greetings to the new guys by Pedro e Francisca Soares 18) Fokker Dr1 and lozenge by Jeff Hamblen 19) Re: w.29 help by "Leonard Endy" 20) Re: JN4 Cannuck Questions by Bob Pearson 21) RE: Off topic boast to all the musicians on the list! by Bob Pearson 22) Re: Warning: Long Post Re: Some technical questions by Mike Fletcher 23) Re: Off topic boast to all the musicians on the list! by The Shannons 24) Re: JN4 Canuck Questions by Mike Fletcher 25) Re: Off topic boast to all the musicians on the list! by KarrArt@aol.com 26) RE: Off topic boast to all the musicians on the list! by "Reid Sweatman" 27) RE: Off topic boast to all the musicians on the list! by "Reid Sweatman" 28) RE: Off topic boast to all the musicians on the list! by "Reid Sweatman" 29) Re: Manzanera wasRe: boast to musicians: Wettonmania/Heeporama? by Nigel Rayner 30) Re: JN4 Canuck Questions by Bob Pearson 31) Re: Off topic boast to all the musicians on the list! by Bob Pearson 32) Re: Off topic boast to all the musicians on the list! by KarrArt@aol.com 33) Re: Off topic boast to all the musicians on the list! by Bob Pearson ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 00:19:07 -0400 From: smperry@mindspring.com To: "Multiple recipients of list" Subject: Off topic test to check re-subscribe Message-ID: <000701bdb203$3572bd80$62e545cf@helpcust> E. Did it come thru? sp ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 11:24:20 -0500 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi Subject: Re: Off topic test to check re-subscribe Message-ID: <35AF7AB4.446@bellsouth.net> smperry@mindspring.com wrote: > > E. > Did it come thru? > sp Yup! Merci... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 11:07:45 -0700 From: "Reid Sweatman" To: Subject: RE: Scale plans of Alb. D.III and DH.2 Message-ID: <000101bdb1ad$cc3ab520$349c639b@Stranger.utah.edu> > Check the FAQ on the web page for this list, the address for Albatros > Publications (publishers of Windsock and Datafiles) is listed there. > Several folks (including myself) will suggest to buy direct from the > publisher, since domestic sources of these books charge premium prices. Danke. Reid Sweatman Programmer/Audio Engineer ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 11:07:51 -0700 From: "Reid Sweatman" To: Subject: RE: Scale plans of Alb. D.III and DH.2 Message-ID: <000201bdb1ad$d0316ac0$349c639b@Stranger.utah.edu> > No, just wanna know if standard plan, side and front view plans are > enough or if you are looking for plans with detailed cross sections of > inside details etc or exploded view of main structural components. I've > got some quite nice plans on Alb D.I-Va from Czech modeling literature > and I can scan the D.III and email it to you or place the scan on my > website. Well, I hadn't really held out much hope for finding standard plans, but I'll take what I can get. I'd say post to your web site; that way everyone on the list can get at it, and it'll probably be less hassle for you. Thanks. Reid Sweatman Programmer/Audio Engineer ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 11:07:59 -0700 From: "Reid Sweatman" To: Subject: RE: Off topic boast to all the musicians on the list! Message-ID: <000301bdb1ad$d4f92c00$349c639b@Stranger.utah.edu> > Whoops, meant to say Wetton joined Asia with Steve Howe, Carl Palmer and > Geoff Downes. Yup, and later Greg Lake briefly joined them, too. Reid Sweatman Programmer/Audio Engineer ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 11:08:06 -0700 From: "Reid Sweatman" To: Subject: RE: Off topic boast to all the musicians on the list! Message-ID: <000401bdb1ad$d90fecc0$349c639b@Stranger.utah.edu> > Very cool. There's a heavy 70's motif here. I once did backstage work at a > King Crimson gig in the mid seventies (my job mainly consisted of getting > ice for the band's drinks from the bar!) and chatted with John Wetton, but > sadly didn't get to meet god himself (Fripp). There's a link to an earlier > thread here, I think Wetton ended up in Uriah Heep (help Patrick...). Cool. I once got to (read: was forced to ) cart beers for Blue Oyster Cult when they did an autograph thingy at the record store I worked at while I was a music student (got all the records I needed at cost that way). Believe me, I'd have traded that in a heartbeat with the chance to cart ice for King Crimson. Especially the original one (that had Greg Lake in it; gee, I do seem to keep coming back to that, don't I? ). Reid Sweatman Programmer/Audio Engineer ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 11:08:14 -0700 From: "Reid Sweatman" To: Subject: RE: Off topic boast to all the musicians on the list! Message-ID: <000501bdb1ad$ddb61c40$349c639b@Stranger.utah.edu> > I hate you.My little ol' local high school garage band was the > only one around > brave or stupid enough to tackle Entwhistle's " Heaven and Hell". > That was in > my bass days.The bass line on that one sounds like a Staaken R VI > doing Pitts > style aerobatics at Mach 7. ( Entwhistle trumps S. Nicks and Rick > Nielsen, but > Manzarek and J. Garcia are borderline) Since y'all are apparently bassists, I'll keep this off-topic thread going a shade longer just to ask whether you've heard of Dave LaRue? I don't know what else he does (maybe a column in Bass Player Magazine?) these days, but for a long time he's been the bassist in the Steve Morse Band. Now, for those of you who may not know, Steve was the original guitarist with the Dixie Dregs, later just the Dregs. If that doesn't mean anything to you, don't worry; they only ever had a cult following (I'll confess to being a cultist ). The reason I mention that is to make you suitably impressed when I tell you that Dave LaRue matches Steve's chops (sometimes note-for-note), and sometimes at speeds that you'd think could only be done with a computer sequencer. I've seen 'em live; they can do it live--*exactly* like it is on the records. I just spent half-an-hour skimming through five CD's looking for a particularly hot solo I remember. Unfortunately, I can't remember which one it was, and can't find it. However, latch onto any of these albums if you can find them: Southern Steel StressFest Structural Damage Coast To Coast You won't be disappointed. It's all instrumental, no vocals, and an odd mix of hard rock, classical, and country/western. (For a great taste of the latter, listen to "Smokey Mtn. Drive" from Structural Damage; sounds like someone poured about a gallon of methamphetamine into Commander Cody's beer ). For a great example of the hard rock end, try "Arena Rock" from Southern Steel. I don't bring this up to denigrate any of the other bassists that have been mentioned; I like most of them myself. But I run into too many bassists who've never heard of LaRue, and he deserves to be heard. Reid Sweatman Programmer/Audio Engineer ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 10:20:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Hamblen To: wwi Subject: Sim. Schuc. DIV? Message-ID: <19980717172056.28580.rocketmail@send1b.yahoomail.com> I'm currently working on Toko's SSW DIV in Alfred Lerner's markings. While taking a look at the decals, I noticed the unusual spelling of the data line. What should the correct one read and are there any after market decals available yet for this one? As for fit problems, I haven't encountered any shaving off the wingroots of the DIII didn't turn out to be the problem I thought it would be. Just some patient work with an xacto and sandpaper. But while test fitting the propeller into the spinner, it got stuck, so now I have to do some fancy masking when it comes to painting the prop. Thanks in advance for any help, Jeff == Jeff Hamblen NKJO-Opole, Poland ham545@yahoo.com _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 12:31:56 -0500 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi Subject: Re: Off topic boast to all the musicians on the list! Message-ID: <35AF8A8C.719E@bellsouth.net> Reid Sweatman wrote: > > > I hate you.My little ol' local high school garage band was the > > only one around > > brave or stupid enough to tackle Entwhistle's " Heaven and Hell". Hey Reid, Sorry but I got knocked off list 2 days ago, so I've missed some stuff. But I did get your story about being backstage with ELP or somebody. My experience wasn't anything like that. Entwistle's band was playing at a local club and I was leaning on the edge of the stage with nothing between us but a monitor and about 6 feet of empty space. Put one of his picks right in my hand.(he only used them for about 30 seconds, then he would toss them to the crowd and finish up with those blurry fingers). And the sad part is, none of that talent or ability rubbed of with the handshake.:( E. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 13:41:12 EDT From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Off topic boast to all the musicians on the list! Message-ID: <581f0ebf.35af8cba@aol.com> In a message dated 98-07-17 13:19:48 EDT, you write: << Commander Cody's >> A. yep, heard of and heard the Dregs- them boys is awesome.Good bass playing, as good as Stanley Clarke, but without Clarke's annoying burpy frozen rubber band tone. B. Commander Cody did one of the best shows I've ever seen ( vaguely 25 years ago)! His old band could really play- the piano guy was really hot. Live, the whole band was kinda Miles Davis meets Bob Wills C. In all this talk of Carl Palmer, does anybody know if in his early days he really DID curl up like a dog and sleep outside Buddy Rich's hotel room door whenever Buddy was in London? I have heard this story from at leasty two sources- all apparantly speaking literally! Robert K. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 10:52:31 -0700 From: "Chris Banyai-Riepl" To: Subject: RE: JN4 Cannuck Questions Message-ID: <000a01bdb1ab$abba9e20$a04ffbce@chrisban> I have a two part article on the JN4(Can) out of an old AAHS journal that has enough pictures to choke a horse, including lots of close-ups and detail shots. The only thing missing is a picture showing the wing roundel location. Let me know if you would like a scan of these pages. Between the two parts, there's a total of 24 pages. Chris Banyai-Riepl Editor Aviation What-Not http://www.avsim.com/mike/awn/current ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 11:06:25 -0700 From: David & Carol Fletcher To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: JN-4 Canuck Message-ID: <35AF92A1.4307@mars.ark.com> Re: Paul Schwartzkopf's questions: First off, there is only one 'n' in Canuck. The conversion of a Jenny to a Canuck was covered in IPMS/Canada's "RT" in March 1971 with a supplemental bit in the Sept 1971 issue. The conversion was by Bob Migliardi, who is still to be found at IPMS/Canada National Executive meetings. But on to the conversion: "The Canuck's tail surfaces were a different shape, and the horizontal stabilizer strut is positioned well to the rear. The lower wing tips are the same shape as the upper ones, and there is no gap or rather cut-out where the lower wing joins the fuselage. Both upper and lower wings had ailerons, and these were linked by two thin tubes. Exhaust pipes come in a variety of styles." The drawings accompanying the article are good and I can scan them in. Unfortunately, the borrowed flatbed scanner has been returned, so these will have to be on my "handheld". If you can tell me what the markings are that you plan on using, I'll see if I can find the exhaust to match. How come this WWII modeller keeps rushing to the aid of the tailskid crowd??? Dave Fletcher mdf@mars.ark.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 11:25:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Patrick Padovan To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: RE: boast to musicians: Wettonmania/Heeporama? Message-ID: Nigel: Yeah, I think Wetton joined Heep about 1974 or 75, if my memory serves me correctly (it often doesn't!) He played guitar and sang, as well as laying down the bass-ment foundation. He cut an album with Phil Manzanera in the late 80s that's well worth a listen- but then, ANYTHING with Manzanera is worth a listen, IMHO. Its called- where do they get these ideas?- Wetton/Manzanera. He had an album out not too long ago (1994-1995?) called Chasing The Dragon (Wetton, I mean, not Phil). Regards, Patrick ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Patrick Padovan e-mail: ppadovan@timberland.lib.wa.us ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 15:39:24 EDT From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Manzanera wasRe: boast to musicians: Wettonmania/Heeporama? Message-ID: In a message dated 98-07-17 14:19:39 EDT, you write: << Phil Manzanera in the late 80s that's well worth a listen>. Lucked out and got to see Roxy Music once- very ODD crowd, everyone looked like they we're on mission from some Euro secret agency. 'Twas great show though! RK ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 15:39:23 EDT From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: JN-4 Canuck Message-ID: <8f33e383.35afa86c@aol.com> In a message dated 98-07-17 14:09:48 EDT, you write: << How come this WWII modeller keeps rushing to the aid of the tailskid crowd??? Dave Fletcher mdf@mars.ark.com >> Because we're sweet and lovable?( didn't the first Spitfires have tailskids?) Robert K. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 14:00:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Patrick Padovan To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Manzanera wasRe: boast to musicians: Wettonmania/Heeporama? Message-ID: "He knows. . . TOO much! Ivan! Ivanava! Eliminate him!" ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Patrick Padovan e-mail: ppadovan@timberland.lib.wa.us ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Fri, 17 Jul 1998 KarrArt@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 98-07-17 14:19:39 EDT, you write: > > << Phil > Manzanera in the late 80s that's well worth a listen>. > > Lucked out and got to see Roxy Music once- very ODD crowd, everyone looked > like they we're on mission from some Euro secret agency. 'Twas great show > though! > RK > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 22:03:38 +0200 From: Pedro e Francisca Soares To: "WW1 Modeling List (E-mail)" Subject: Greetings to the new guys Message-ID: <01BDB1CF.00064740@fei1-p8.telepac.pt> Hi This is just to say HI from Portugal (*) to the new friends on the list. = I know there are 2 of you but I have your messages at work and forget to = forward them to my home where I'm as I write. Anyway Welcome (ah, ah, two new souls to suck knowledge from....... :-) Um abraco Pedro (*) This list is not only Americans, Canadians, Australians and British = like a certain fellow who has a way with pastels, crayons, watercolor = and computers wants you to believe... ;-))))).=20 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 14:53:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Hamblen To: wwi Subject: Fokker Dr1 and lozenge Message-ID: <19980717215319.15276.rocketmail@send1b.yahoomail.com> I went to Borders bookstore this morning and found Wolfgang Schuster's and Achim Sven Engels' Fokker V5/Dr.1. It's and english translation, published by Schiffer. Nice photos and text, but there's a strange photo on the first page. It shows a Dr.1 with a solid color fuselage (very dark), old style iron crosses with no other marking visible and lozenge fabric on the wings!!! The quality and sharpness of the photo seems to indicate that it's a postwar shot and an a/c in the background with a civilian registration G-A??O places it in Great Britain. Does any one know anything about this a/c? It looks strange, but it could make a nice "what-if" project, like all those Luftwaffe 1946 kits coming out of Eastern Europe. I've always wanted to see a Fokker DVII on floats, a la Albatross W.4, with naval hex camo. It could look sharp, if not completely accurate. Jeff == Jeff Hamblen NKJO-Opole, Poland ham545@yahoo.com _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 22:59:14 GMT From: "Leonard Endy" To: wwi Subject: Re: w.29 help Message-ID: <35b0d657.1118046@legend.firstsaga.com> On Thu, 16 Jul 1998 23:35:02 -0400, you wrote: >My reference library is a bit thin and unfortunately in storage right now, >but I found some useful photographs for the Whippet in "Tanks and Trenches" >edited by David Fletcher. I ended up using one of the kit options on mine, >"Golikell" A378. If it helps at all, you can see the finished model at: > >http://biology.anu.edu.au/central-services/Photo/ACTSMS/Whippet.html > The Whippet looks superb as does the Mark IV ! One question about the Whippet : Did you use the kit decals for the w-r-w stripes on the sides of the front ? Seems like a lot of decal solvent might be needed. (Shhh- don't tell the list but the Steyr Pak40 is well done, always a favorite of mine.) Len ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 16:13:00 -0700 From: Bob Pearson To: WW1 Mailing list Subject: Re: JN4 Cannuck Questions Message-ID: <23130072621998@KAIEN.COM> Paul, The average Canuck (and Jenny) in RFC/RAF(Canada) service didn't have roundels. C&C(GB) did a great article on them in volume 15/4 and it includes many b/w profiles of Canucks, as well as GAs of the various types. Besides the obvious rudder difference, the Canuck also has no centre-section cutout and a vertical fronted radiator, not the slanted thing in American versions. Exhausts are also different. I have a dozen or so of these portrayed in my old series of profiles (as well as one on the pease1 site) Regards, Bob Pearson ---------- > From: "Paul Schwartzkopf" > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: JN4 Cannuck Questions > Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 09:03:04 -0400 > > I was comparing the new Blue Rider 1/48 Canadian decal sheet with the = > Lindberg Jenny kit the other night. It appears that the rudder (based on = > the decals) was more "rounded" and larger than the type in the kit. Since = > I have no photos or drawings showing this rudder type, is the decal sheet = > accurate in using the different rudder in the Cannuck version? Any other = > differences to be aware of? > > Also, there were no wing roundels provided in the decal sheet. I assume = > that they were actually applied in the normal positions for the Jenny--is = > this a correct assumption? > > Paul A. Schwartzkopf > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 16:14:04 -0700 From: Bob Pearson To: WW1 Mailing list Subject: RE: Off topic boast to all the musicians on the list! Message-ID: <23140441822003@KAIEN.COM> And to go into the 70's rock theme once again . . . Steve Morse joined the reformed KANSAS in the late 80's and did two albums with them. While I was undergoing chemotherapy in Vancouver 8 years ago I had a chance to go tThe Steve Morse Band, but felt too lousy to go. my friend who went has never let me forget that not only did I miss Steve Morse, but that Eric Johnson opened for him ARGGGHHHHHHHH ! ! ! ! I think I could have put up with a little nausea if I had known :-( Bob Pearson ---------- > From: "Reid Sweatman" > for a long time he's been the bassist in the Steve Morse Band. Now, for > those of you who may not know, Steve was the original guitarist with the > Dixie Dregs, later just the Dregs. If that doesn't mean anything to you, > don't worry; they only ever had a cult following (I'll confess to being a > cultist ). The reason I mention that is to make you suitably impressed > when I tell you that Dave LaRue matches Steve's chops (sometimes > note-for-note), and sometimes at speeds that you'd think could only be done > with a computer sequencer. I've seen 'em live; they can do it > live--*exactly* like it is on the records. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 17:32:00 -0700 From: Mike Fletcher To: wwi Subject: Re: Warning: Long Post Re: Some technical questions Message-ID: <35AFED00.15599FEA@mars.ark.com> The debate still goes on for the FW 190 nevermind for ww1 aircraft (which could be morre easily modified in the field) 963 rounds would have given the pilot over a minute of blazing away continuously for the observer ...8(for 2 guns) * 97 = 776 so the pilots number seem reasonable as the Vickers had a higher rate of fire than the Lewis (850-900 standard boosted vs 700) BTW Janes gives the type a disposable load after fuel of 630 pounds so giving 150lbs per person leaves 330 ... anyone know how much .303 ammunition weighs? - not sure if this would include the weight of the guns and ring but snce it had to be flown with weight in the back anyway ... Mike Fletcher ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 19:49:33 -0500 From: The Shannons To: wwi Subject: Re: Off topic boast to all the musicians on the list! Message-ID: <35AFF11D.4DA0A4B3@ix.netcom.com> Does playing off of Georgio Tozzi and Magda Olivera in "Tosca" for Sarah Caldwell, and the cast party with drop in guests of James Levine, James Morris, and Shirley Verret count? Reid Sweatman wrote: > > Very cool. There's a heavy 70's motif here. I once did backstage work at a > > King Crimson gig in the mid seventies (my job mainly consisted of getting > > ice for the band's drinks from the bar!) and chatted with John Wetton, but > > sadly didn't get to meet god himself (Fripp). There's a link to an earlier > > thread here, I think Wetton ended up in Uriah Heep (help Patrick...). > > Cool. I once got to (read: was forced to ) cart beers for Blue Oyster > Cult when they did an autograph thingy at the record store I worked at while > I was a music student (got all the records I needed at cost that way). > Believe me, I'd have traded that in a heartbeat with the chance to cart ice > for King Crimson. Especially the original one (that had Greg Lake in it; > gee, I do seem to keep coming back to that, don't I? ). > > Reid Sweatman > Programmer/Audio Engineer ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 18:15:26 -0700 From: Mike Fletcher To: wwi Subject: Re: JN4 Canuck Questions Message-ID: <35AFF72E.609E7A89@mars.ark.com> Based on the photos I have in Aviation in Canada 1917-1918 (pub 1918) roundels were not used or at least not very often. The wing tips were painted a dark colour (red?) on a number of the machines - width varied considerable between machines from 1 - 4 ribs wide. - C827 had small roundels on fuselage sides and underside plus a square *roundel* on the fin. It also had a dark stripe along the fuselage. - C705 had canted rudder stripes (bottom front to top back) and a large cat plus a '2' on the fuselage again with the stripe along the fuselage. - C565 had odd diamonds on fuselage and rudder and was blessed with a large amount on dihedral on all wings - it was used for target towing and the photo shows a target being held up behind it. This machine only had the dark doped fabric tape instead of the wider stripe of the others. Mike Fletcher ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 21:01:21 EDT From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Off topic boast to all the musicians on the list! Message-ID: <7b8474c9.35aff3e2@aol.com> In a message dated 98-07-17 19:10:16 EDT, you write: << KANSAS >> Saw the original version of the band when the first album came out. The number one alltime crappiest disgustingly bad show in all the concerts I've ever ever been to, and I've seen some lousy shows. Way over two decades later, and the taste is still so bad, I want them all still to choke on dust in the wind. ( this does not apply to any version containing Morse- only the original!) Robert K. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 21:07:45 -0700 From: "Reid Sweatman" To: Subject: RE: Off topic boast to all the musicians on the list! Message-ID: <000101bdb201$9e161280$159c639b@Stranger.utah.edu> > Does playing off of Georgio Tozzi and Magda Olivera in "Tosca" for Sarah > Caldwell, and the cast party with drop in guests of James Levine, > James Morris, > and Shirley Verret count? Depends on what you mean by "playing off of." Reid Sweatman Programmer/Audio Engineer ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 21:07:52 -0700 From: "Reid Sweatman" To: Subject: RE: Off topic boast to all the musicians on the list! Message-ID: <000201bdb201$a2578cc0$159c639b@Stranger.utah.edu> > And to go into the 70's rock theme once again . . . > > Steve Morse joined the reformed KANSAS in the late 80's and did two albums > with them. I only knew about the "Power" album. "Silhouettes In Disguise" is one of the most kick-ass rock songs ever written, as far as I'm concerned. We were just working that one down when our band fell apart beneath us. Haven't had the energy to try and put it back together since. > > While I was undergoing chemotherapy in Vancouver 8 years ago I > had a chance > to go tThe Steve Morse Band, but felt too lousy to go. my friend who went > has never let me forget that not only did I miss Steve Morse, but > that Eric > Johnson opened for him ARGGGHHHHHHHH ! ! ! ! I think I could have put up > with a little nausea if I had known :-( I know how you feel. My wife got us front-row tickets to Return To Forever three years ago, and that night I told her I was too sick to go. Now that really got her worried! Reid Sweatman Programmer/Audio Engineer ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 21:07:57 -0700 From: "Reid Sweatman" To: Subject: RE: Off topic boast to all the musicians on the list! Message-ID: <000301bdb201$a57d36c0$159c639b@Stranger.utah.edu> > Sorry but I got knocked off list 2 days ago, so I've missed some stuff. > But I did get your story about being backstage with ELP or somebody. > My experience wasn't anything like that. Entwistle's band was playing at > a local club and I was leaning on the edge of the stage with nothing > between us but a monitor and about 6 feet of empty space. > Put one of his picks right in my hand.(he only used them for about 30 > seconds, then he would toss them to the crowd and finish up with those > blurry fingers). And the sad part is, none of that talent or ability > rubbed of with the handshake.:( Yeah, know how you feel. We went down to see ELP in Phoenix about six years ago, and they forgot to guard the bleachers in back of the stage. After a while I figured out how to get around that way, and shortly thereafter about twenty other people joined me. You can guess all of us were keyboard players, and Keith knew it. We were about ten feet up and back from his rig, and every so often he'd look up at us, grin, and wave. I only wanted to touch the hem of his garment . As for what you missed, I started a sub-thread about Dave LaRue, Steve Morse's bassist. I meant it for you, so if you don't know who he is, immediately run out and buy anything you can find by the Steve Morse Band. Try "Southern Steel" for a start if you can find it. Reid Sweatman Programmer/Audio Engineer ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 20:22:25 -0700 From: Nigel Rayner To: wwi, Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Manzanera wasRe: boast to musicians: Wettonmania/Heeporama? Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19980717202225.006f5c68@pop.mindspring.com> ><< Phil > Manzanera in the late 80s that's well worth a listen>. > >Lucked out and got to see Roxy Music once- very ODD crowd, everyone looked >like they we're on mission from some Euro secret agency. 'Twas great show >though! >RK > Don't start me - we're off topic enough already. Saw Roxy on the "For Your Pleasure" tour, Manzanera an all time fave guitarist (add Fripp and Belew to that), Bryan Ferry the king of cool and Brian Eno.....well, what can we say. I wonder if any of them feel the call of the plastic? (I do remember an article in the '80s that at least one of Orchestral Manouevres in the Dark was a keen modeller, altho of the WWII ilk) Nigel ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 21:48:59 -0700 From: Bob Pearson To: WW1 Mailing list Subject: Re: JN4 Canuck Questions Message-ID: <04485939322414@KAIEN.COM> Greetings all, All of the markings mentioned below are squadron markings and are described and/or illustrated in the C&C article. If there is enough demand I can scan the C&C(GB) article - 21 pages plus 8 pages of markings and GA drawings. Regards, Bob Pearson ---------- > From: Mike Fletcher > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Re: JN4 Canuck Questions > Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 21:22:26 -0400 > > Based on the photos I have in Aviation in Canada 1917-1918 (pub 1918) > roundels were not used or at least not very often. The wing tips were > painted a dark colour (red?) on a number of the machines - width varied > considerable between machines from 1 - 4 ribs wide. > > - C827 had small roundels on fuselage sides and underside plus a square > *roundel* on the fin. It also had a dark stripe along the fuselage. > - C705 had canted rudder stripes (bottom front to top back) and a large > cat plus a '2' on the fuselage again with the stripe along the fuselage. > - C565 had odd diamonds on fuselage and rudder and was blessed with a > large amount on dihedral on all wings - it was used for target towing > and the photo shows a target being held up behind it. This machine only > had the dark doped fabric tape instead of the wider stripe of the > others. > > Mike Fletcher ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 21:59:27 -0700 From: Bob Pearson To: WW1 Mailing list Subject: Re: Off topic boast to all the musicians on the list! Message-ID: <04592701522426@KAIEN.COM> > In a message dated 98-07-17 19:10:16 EDT, you write: > > << KANSAS >> > > Saw the original version of the band when the first album came out. The number > one alltime crappiest disgustingly bad show in all the concerts I've ever ever > been to, and I've seen some lousy shows. Way over two decades later, and the > taste is still so bad, I want them all still to choke on dust in the wind. ( > this does not apply to any version containing Morse- only the original!) > Robert K. But how was the sound? Or do I not want to know? The first CD I bought was Leftoverture - and I didn't even have a CD player at the time ! ! ! ! Bob ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 01:17:27 EDT From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Off topic boast to all the musicians on the list! Message-ID: In a message dated 98-07-18 00:55:35 EDT, you write: << << KANSAS >> > > Saw the original version of the band when the first album came out. The number > one alltime crappiest disgustingly bad show in all the concerts I've ever ever > been to, and I've seen some lousy shows........ > this does not apply to any version containing Morse- only the original!) > Robert K. But how was the sound? Or do I not want to know? The first CD I bought was Leftoverture - and I didn't even have a CD player at the time ! ! ! ! Bob>> I used to be pretty forgiving about seeing new bands- Willing to cut 'em some slack. Kansas had been getting good word of mouth, but the concert was truly appalling. The sound was balanced, good level, but they just sounded like crap.Really sloppy playing, they had a "kiss my ass we're soooo cool attitude".( BTW the WORST I ever saw was a Gregg Allman solo concert) Robert K. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 22:31:44 -0700 From: Bob Pearson To: WW1 Mailing list Subject: Re: Off topic boast to all the musicians on the list! Message-ID: <05314467122459@KAIEN.COM> > << << KANSAS >> > > > > Saw the original version of the band when the first album came out. The > number > > one alltime crappiest disgustingly bad show in all the concerts I've ever > ever > > been to, and I've seen some lousy shows........ > > this does not apply to any version containing Morse- only the original!) > > Robert K. > > But how was the sound? Or do I not want to know? The first CD I bought was > Leftoverture - and I didn't even have a CD player at the time ! ! ! ! > > Bob>> > > I used to be pretty forgiving about seeing new bands- Willing to cut 'em some > slack. Kansas had been getting good word of mouth, but the concert was truly > appalling. The sound was balanced, good level, but they just sounded like > crap.Really sloppy playing, they had a "kiss my ass we're soooo cool > attitude".( BTW the WORST I ever saw was a Gregg Allman solo concert) > Robert K. Geez, to put this back on topic it reminds me how I felt when I first started hearing rumours about Bishop. At least Barker is still untarnished :-) Bob ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 1115 **********************