WWI Digest 1111 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Avro Mystery by Ernest Thomas 2) Re: Avro Mystery by bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) 3) Re: Letting off steam by bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) 4) Re: Avro Mystery by Aidrian Bridgeman-Sutton 5) Re: First British Armoured Brigade - Part two by "Rob." 6) My Son the Jasta Pilot by "Fernando E. Lamas, M.D." 7) Re: My Son the Jasta Pilot by Bob Pearson 8) Re: My Son the Jasta Pilot by mbittner@juno.com 9) Humbrol colour chart and colours for Pfalz III and going away by "Tom Werner Hansen" 10) Lifelike - Linberg, etc. by John & Allison Cyganowski 11) Re: Letting off steam by GRBroman@aol.com 12) Scale plans of Alb. D.III and DH.2 by "Reid Sweatman" 13) Re: Lifelike - Linberg, etc. by "Paul Schwartzkopf" 14) RE: Scale plans of Alb. D.III and DH.2 by infosilver@czechia.com 15) Re: Humbrol colour chart and colours for Pfalz III and going away by "Paul Bourke" 16) Avro Biplane by "Richard Eaton" 17) Re: First British Armoured Brigade - Part two by "Tom Werner Hansen" 18) RE: Scale plans of Alb. D.III and DH.2 by "Dr. Phillip Anz-Meador" 19) Re: Scale plans of Alb. D.III and DH.2 by Charles Hart 20) Re: Avro Mystery by KarrArt@aol.com 21) Re: Avro Mystery by "Sandy Adam" 22) Martinsyde G.102 by BStett3770@aol.com 23) Re: Humbrol colour chart and colours for Pfalz III and going by Joey Valenciano 24) RE: Scale plans of Alb. D.III and DH.2 by Joey Valenciano 25) Re: Scale plans of Alb. D.III and DH.2 by KarrArt@aol.com 26) Re: Avro Mystery by bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) 27) Re: Scale plans of Alb. D.III and DH.2 by Mike Fletcher 28) Re: Scale plans of Alb. D.III and DH.2 by Mick Fauchon 29) Re: Scale plans of Alb. D.III and DH.2 by Mike Dicianna 30) Pfalz "Moonies" by "Fernando E. Lamas, M.D." ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 21:47:16 -0500 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi Subject: Re: Avro Mystery Message-ID: <35AC1834.6755@bellsouth.net> Mike Dicianna wrote: > >Are these kits worth the effort? I built the Fury, but I sent the Gladiator to one of our friends down under. The Fury was worth the effort iyam. Price is nice too. E. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 21:18:26 -0700 (PDT) From: bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) To: wwi Subject: Re: Avro Mystery Message-ID: <199807150418.VAA19932@ednet1.orednet.org> Charles wrote: >>Richard > > No mystery, it is 1/48 scale. It was issued a few different times in >the 1960s and 1970s. I believe that Charlie Duckworth of this List is fond >of these. Perhaps he is interested. I think he might have a good idea of >the value of this one, also a couple of list members have the Kit >Collectors Value Guide. Some one will chime in. > >Charles $6-$10 is the suggested current CVG value on this 'un. The original six kits (Bleriot IX, Martin-Handasyde, Deperdussin, Bristol Box Kite, Avro biplane, and Avro triplane) were originally issued in 1966 by Inpact in connection with the movie, "Those Magnificent Men in Their Flying Machines". The molds later migrated to Pyro and later yet to Life-Like although Life-Like apparently reissued only the Bristol Box Kite and the Avro Tripe under the Life-Like label, the other four kits being "no shows" before Life Like went out of business. Interestingly, only the Box Kite and the Avro Triplane actually appeared in the movie itself. The other four kits only resemble, at best, the other aircraft in the movie. Cheers and all, -- Bill Shatzer - bshatzer@orednet.org ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 21:38:08 -0700 (PDT) From: bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) To: wwi Subject: Re: Letting off steam Message-ID: <199807150438.VAA27159@ednet1.orednet.org> Scott wrote: > > > " served until into the Spanish Civil War (and maybe >beyond)." Off topic and for >the what its worth file, there were over 40 DH 9s flown during the >Spanish Civil War, 18 in Nationalists hands, the rest in Republican >service. The survivors continued to be used after the war and into the >1940s. Also there were 6 Bristol Fighter F.2Bs used as well as 2 Avro >504Ks You forgot the 10 Martinsyde F.4 "Buzzards" in Republican naval service which were WW1 aircraft as well. Cheers and all, -- Bill Shatzer - bshatzer@orednet.org ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 17:34:47 -0700 From: Aidrian Bridgeman-Sutton To: wwi Subject: Re: Avro Mystery Message-ID: <35AD4AA7.6651@connectorsystems.co.nz> Ernest Thomas wrote: > > KarrArt@aol.com wrote: > > > Lindberg did the Fury! > > Robert K. > > Did the Gladiator too. > E. And the Flycatcher - oops, my little weakness is showing again. It ain't beem seen in the last ten years or so except onthe 2/h market, though it seems the others are given an airing from time to time. Aidrian ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 23:53:51 +0000 From: "Rob." To: wwi Subject: Re: First British Armoured Brigade - Part two Message-ID: <199807150550.BAA05237@marconi.concentric.net> Tom: I'd appreciate the illustrations. Thanks. Rob. > Illustrations to this article are: > Front of nacelle for A.E. 3 tested out on an F.E.2b > Three-view line drawing of A.E.3 Ram II > Photos of Sopwith T.F.1 > A detail shot of gun installation in T.F.1 > ditto of the guns in the T.F.2 Salamander > photo of first Salamander > Scans to be had for the asking. (The guys who asked for the illustrations > to part one need not reapply) Rob To e-mail me, replace the l with the numeral 1. Visit Chandelle, the Web Journal of Aviation History ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 23:29:07 -0700 From: "Fernando E. Lamas, M.D." To: wwi Subject: My Son the Jasta Pilot Message-ID: I don't believe in reincarnation, but, you never know..... My son may have been a Jasta pilot in a prior life. Tonight, I had the French FMP book, a Datafile and some other photos spread out as I painted sections of a 5-color camo scheme on a SPAD 13. My 6 1/2 year old son, Fernando, came over to watch me. I pointed out a French SPAD 13 and told him that this is what the model was going to look like. My 8 year old daughter, Patricia, then came into the room, saw all of the aircraft illustrations and asked, "Which plane are you building, Papi?" Fernando answered her, "He's building the one with *targets* on the wings." Fernando Lamas ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 00:25:06 -0700 From: Bob Pearson To: WW1 Mailing list Subject: Re: My Son the Jasta Pilot Message-ID: <07250648116123@KAIEN.COM> Fernando, Is this the daughter that the Pfalz was built for? Or am I thinking of someone else's messages from the dim past of last year? Bob ---------- > From: "Fernando E. Lamas, M.D." > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: My Son the Jasta Pilot > Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 02:31:30 -0400 > > > I don't believe in reincarnation, but, you never know..... My son may > have been a Jasta pilot in a prior life. > > Tonight, I had the French FMP book, a Datafile and some other photos > spread out as I painted sections of a 5-color camo scheme on a SPAD 13. My > 6 1/2 year old son, Fernando, came over to watch me. I pointed out a French > SPAD 13 and told him that this is what the model was going to look like. > > My 8 year old daughter, Patricia, then came into the room, saw all of the > aircraft illustrations and asked, "Which plane are you building, Papi?" > > Fernando answered her, "He's building the one with *targets* on the wings." > > Fernando Lamas > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 04:55:29 -0500 From: mbittner@juno.com To: wwi Subject: Re: My Son the Jasta Pilot Message-ID: <19980715.045543.-75087.4.mbittner@juno.com> On Wed, 15 Jul 1998 02:31:30 -0400 "Fernando E. Lamas, M.D." writes: > I don't believe in reincarnation, but, you never know..... My son >may >have been a Jasta pilot in a prior life. > > Tonight, I had the French FMP book, a Datafile and some other >photos >spread out as I painted sections of a 5-color camo scheme on a SPAD >13. My >6 1/2 year old son, Fernando, came over to watch me. I pointed out a >French >SPAD 13 and told him that this is what the model was going to look >like. > > My 8 year old daughter, Patricia, then came into the room, saw all >of the >aircraft illustrations and asked, "Which plane are you building, >Papi?" > > Fernando answered her, "He's building the one with *targets* on the >wings." That's a great start to the day. :-) Matt Bittner _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 11:53:47 +0200 From: "Tom Werner Hansen" To: Subject: Humbrol colour chart and colours for Pfalz III and going away Message-ID: <199807151011.MAA02568@d1o211.telia.com> Greetings I'm in the process of deciding on the colours for my Eduard Pfalz D.III. Of course the easy way out would be to choose the silvergrey Lenz machine, but somehow I find the blue-red colour scheme more attractive. The red I think I have, but what's the blue? How reliable is the reference to Humbrol 109? (Why couldn't they have skipped that number, like some airlines don't have row thirteen?) Which brings me to the second half of my quest: Could someone find me a recent colour chart for Humbrol paints. They're hard to get by around here, and the latest one I have is definitely pre-1990. No numbers higher than 100. You may have to do without me for a while. We finally gave up on the crappy summer weather in Norway and bought tickets for Greece, so we'll probably be complaining about the heat now for the next couple of weeks. This time I won't unsubscibe, so I'll check up on you when I get back. Have a nice summer. Tom ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 06:41:21 -0400 From: John & Allison Cyganowski To: wwi Subject: Lifelike - Linberg, etc. Message-ID: <35AC8751.396F@worldnet.att.net> I have the Fury. It is pretty nice and my decals are perfect. I bought mine within the last year and I noticed that RPM the parent company of Testors now owns Linberg. Maybe this explains the better quality decals. They also make Curtiss P-6 Hawk in 1/48. I would like to get my paws on one of these. They aren't that expensive. Lifelike is gone of course but they had an interesting line up including an Atomic Cannon and a 1/350 Yamato. John Cyg. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 08:05:18 EDT From: GRBroman@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Letting off steam Message-ID: <3a7d7703.35ac9aff@aol.com> In a message dated 98-07-14 13:04:01 EDT, you write: << If you don't manage the rigging and alignment properly, you might as well be building Messerschmitts. >> ROTFLMAO. This should be your new sig line :) Glen ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 06:02:43 -0700 From: "Reid Sweatman" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Subject: Scale plans of Alb. D.III and DH.2 Message-ID: <000001bdaff0$dacb2480$1a9c639b@Stranger.utah.edu> Can anyone suggest a (preferably free and downloadable) source of scale engineering drawings of an Albatros D.III and Airco DH.2? Assuming there is such a thing, that is. Or a book with such drawings? Thanks. Reid Sweatman Programmer/Audio Engineer ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 07:55:10 -0500 From: "Paul Schwartzkopf" To: wwi Subject: Re: Lifelike - Linberg, etc. Message-ID: John wrote: >They (Lindberg) also make Curtiss P-6 Hawk in 1/48. I would like to get > my paws on one of these. They aren't that expensive. I have a couple of these I bought several years ago, but I haven't seen = them recently in stores. Pretty nice kits, considering the source. The = story was that the molds were made back in the 50s-60s, but not released = at that time (like their Snark missle kit). Now if someone would just do = a decent "Attacking Owl" decal sheet for it.....? > Lifelike is gone of course but they had an interesting line up including > an Atomic Cannon and a 1/350 Yamato. I have several pre-1920 1/32 car kits by Life-Like. Could make an = interesting diorama with the Hobbycraft Nie 17 or Camel, or one of the = Emhar tank kits. << Inpact also made a "between the wars" biplane series - Gloster Gladiator, Bristol Bulldog, Fairey Flycatcher and Hawker Fury. The first two have been recently re-issued by Lindberg. Does this imply that Lindberg have the molds (moulds...)=20 >> Lindberg did all 4 of the between-the-wars kits in the early 80s. I have = the Flycatcher and Bulldog re-issues. These releases had dry rub-on = transfers instead of the "normal" decals. These kits can hold their own = with the more modern kits. All the more impressive when you consider the = age of the molds. The most recent Gladiator re-issue had a 3 bladed prop = (Mk II I think) instead of the original's 2 bladed prop. Paul A. Schwartzkopf ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Jul 98 15:09:04 PDT From: infosilver@czechia.com To: wwi Subject: RE: Scale plans of Alb. D.III and DH.2 Message-ID: On Wed, 15 Jul 1998 08:14:56 -0400 Reid Sweatman wrote: >Can anyone suggest a (preferably free and downloadable) source of scale >engineering drawings ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >of an Albatros D.III and Airco DH.2? I'm afraid my English is too weak for this :( What's does engineering drawing mean exactly? Ivan Subrt "The air is our sea." Czech proverb ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 00:36:53 +1000 From: "Paul Bourke" To: Subject: Re: Humbrol colour chart and colours for Pfalz III and going away Message-ID: <199807151435.AAA13982@magna.com.au> Enjoy your time in the sun! Paul ---------- > > You may have to do without me for a while. We finally gave up on the crappy > summer weather in Norway and bought tickets for Greece, so we'll probably > be complaining about the heat now for the next couple of weeks. > This time I won't unsubscibe, so I'll check up on you when I get back. > Have a nice summer. > > Tom ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 09:29:01 -0500 From: "Richard Eaton" To: wwi Subject: Avro Biplane Message-ID: <35ACBCAD.6FBAB312@dsccc.com> Thanks Bill, Sandy, Robert, et al. Typical excellent feedback from the list members. Was the consensus that Lindberg might have the molds for these "magnificent men" series? Somehow I missed these kits in the 60s. Odd because I loved the movie. Maybe they were above my abilities at the time. Also I have been hooked on 1/72 most of my modeling life. May be time to expand a little. FYI the local shop wants $16 for the kit in a bag. I think I'll look elsewhere. Thanks again, Richard ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 12:20:50 +0200 From: "Tom Werner Hansen" To: Subject: Re: First British Armoured Brigade - Part two Message-ID: <199807151559.RAA12635@d1o211.telia.com> Rob You're on the list. Tom ---------- > From: Rob. > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Re: First British Armoured Brigade - Part two > Date: 15. juli 1998 07:53 > > Tom: > > I'd appreciate the illustrations. Thanks. > > Rob. > > > Illustrations to this article are: > > Front of nacelle for A.E. 3 tested out on an F.E.2b > > Three-view line drawing of A.E.3 Ram II > > Photos of Sopwith T.F.1 > > A detail shot of gun installation in T.F.1 > > ditto of the guns in the T.F.2 Salamander > > photo of first Salamander > > Scans to be had for the asking. (The guys who asked for the illustrations > > to part one need not reapply) > Rob > > To e-mail me, replace the l with the numeral 1. > > Visit Chandelle, the Web Journal of Aviation History ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 11:17:43 -0500 From: "Dr. Phillip Anz-Meador" To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Scale plans of Alb. D.III and DH.2 Message-ID: <01BDAFE2.30AA9FC0.panz-meador@vsti.com> reid: there IS a book with detailed plans/cross-sections for ww1 planes, title prosaically something like 'ww1 planes' or the like. i've seen it at a local hobby shop here is houston, but never bought it because i've heard thru the list of significant problems with some of the drawings (e.g. the biff, and albatros series if memory serves). however, some of the other plans in there appear to be OK. i seem to recall that they have at least the DH-1, don't know about the -2. can anyone else corroborate this? OTF has ads for aircraft plans, at least the old issues that i just bought from squadron. i'll take a look tonight if you'd like. HTH, phillip -----Original Message----- From: Reid Sweatman [SMTP:Reid.Sweatman@m.cc.utah.edu] Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 1998 7:15 AM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Scale plans of Alb. D.III and DH.2 Can anyone suggest a (preferably free and downloadable) source of scale engineering drawings of an Albatros D.III and Airco DH.2? Assuming there is such a thing, that is. Or a book with such drawings? Thanks. Reid Sweatman Programmer/Audio Engineer ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 10:20:19 -0700 From: Charles Hart To: wwi Subject: Re: Scale plans of Alb. D.III and DH.2 Message-ID: >Can anyone suggest a (preferably free and downloadable) source of scale >engineering drawings of an Albatros D.III and Airco DH.2? Assuming there is >such a thing, that is. Or a book with such drawings? Thanks. > >Reid Sweatman >Programmer/Audio Engineer Best source of DH-2 drawings will be from the Windsock Datafile on this machine. The same folks that put together the Datafile information also did a multi-part article on the DH-2 in a couple of issues of Cross & Cockade International a few years back. Need to check the library and I can tell you which issues. These sources are the best current information on the DH-2, the group that wrote it up really did their homework. Charles hartc@spot.colorado.edu ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 14:02:19 EDT From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Avro Mystery Message-ID: In a message dated 98-07-14 19:49:34 EDT, you write: << Hey Robert, Would you be willing to swap one of those Bleriot's for a boxkite in the Life-like box? If not, would you be willing to sell me one for U.S. Bucks? Please??? E. >> Aw shucks, I hate to turn you down- but one Bleriot has been scavenged for parts, leaving me one intact example. I'm keeping both boxes for no good reason except that they're both sorta neat lookin'! Tell you what though, if you manage to find one at a good price GRAB IT! These are good kits! Robert K. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 20:55:18 -0700 From: "Sandy Adam" To: Subject: Re: Avro Mystery Message-ID: <199807151956.UAA21549@beryl.sol.co.uk> > parts, leaving me one intact example. So its an intact Impact? Sandy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 17:58:57 EDT From: BStett3770@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Martinsyde G.102 Message-ID: <5d729ff6.35ad2622@aol.com> Hi Gang Just wanted to pass on that we've done a Limited run Re-issue of our Roseplane Martinsyde G.102 Elephant kit. 1/72 Vacform with white metal details & decals. If interested surf on over to; www.swiftsite.com/rosemonthobby Keep Modeling Barry Rosemont Hobby ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 18:27:59 +0800 From: Joey Valenciano To: wwi Subject: Re: Humbrol colour chart and colours for Pfalz III and going Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19980715182759.007741c4@philonline.com.ph> Hi Tom, >This time I won't unsubscibe, so I'll check up on you when I get back. Enjoy the trip. How long will you be away? ********************************************************************* Joey Valenciano WW1 modeller, teacher, jazz musician, joeyval@philonline.com. sitarist Metro-Manila, Philippines "The more you know, the more you don't know." ********************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 05:39:56 +0800 From: Joey Valenciano To: wwi Subject: RE: Scale plans of Alb. D.III and DH.2 Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19980716053956.00770ef4@philonline.com.ph> >reid: there IS a book with detailed plans/cross-sections for ww1 planes, >title prosaically something like 'ww1 planes' or the like. i've seen it at >a local hobby shop here is houston, but never bought it because i've heard >thru the list of significant problems with some of the drawings (e.g. the >biff, and albatros series if memory serves). however, some of the other >plans in there appear to be OK. i seem to recall that they have at least >the DH-1, don't know about the -2. can anyone else corroborate this? Dh1 present, no dh2..... ********************************************************************* Joey Valenciano WW1 modeller, teacher, jazz musician, joeyval@philonline.com. sitarist Metro-Manila, Philippines "The more you know, the more you don't know." ********************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 18:26:37 EDT From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Scale plans of Alb. D.III and DH.2 Message-ID: <60b8eb0f.35ad2ca9@aol.com> In a message dated 98-07-15 18:04:57 EDT, you write: << reid: there IS a book with detailed plans/cross-sections for ww1 planes, >title prosaically something like 'ww1 planes' or the like. i've seen it at >a local hobby shop here is houston, but never bought it because i've heard >thru the list of significant problems with some of the drawings (e.g. the >biff, and albatros series if memory serves). however, some of the other >plans in there appear to be OK. i seem to recall that they have at least >the DH-1, don't know about the -2. can anyone else corroborate this? Dh1 present, no dh2..... >> The Albatros series in this book is particularly fanciful- I don't think there's a correct line drawn! Beautiful draftmanship- total fiction for content. Robert K. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 15:59:30 -0700 (PDT) From: bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) To: wwi Subject: Re: Avro Mystery Message-ID: <199807152259.PAA07600@ednet1.orednet.org> Sandy wrote: > >> parts, leaving me one intact example. > >So its an intact Impact? That would be "Inpact", not "Impact", no? :-) Cheers and all, -- Bill Shatzer - bshatzer@orednet.org ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 17:41:00 -0700 From: Mike Fletcher To: wwi Subject: Re: Scale plans of Alb. D.III and DH.2 Message-ID: <35AD4C1B.69CB44FB@mars.ark.com> you might try jane's all the world's aircraft - they did a reprint of the combined volumes for 1914-1918 and it includes a fairly detailed drawing of the Alb. DI - not much on the DH2 though there may be drawings of it with PRO Mike Fletcher ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 11:27:20 +1000 (EST) From: Mick Fauchon To: wwi Cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Scale plans of Alb. D.III and DH.2 Message-ID: > you might try jane's all the world's aircraft - they did a reprint of > the combined volumes for 1914-1918 and it includes a fairly detailed > drawing of the Alb. DI - not much on the DH2 though there may be > drawings of it with PRO I might be stating the obvious here, but did anyone think of the Windsock Datafiles/Specials. Mick. -- -- Mick Fauchon | Internet: ulmjf@dewey.newcastle.edu.au Reference Section, Auchmuty Library | Ph (intl+61+49) 215861 University of Newcastle, AUSTRALIA | Fax (intl+61+49) 215833 MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM M M M Tasmanian Devil: "#@%!&^*%%...!#@!&**%^@@#$#-+*+*&##@...!!" M M M M Yosemite Sam : "Cut out that Army talk!..Yer in the Navy now!" M M M MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 18:44:20 +0000 From: Mike Dicianna To: wwi Subject: Re: Scale plans of Alb. D.III and DH.2 Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19980715184420.0066ed24@proaxis.com> At 06:31 PM 7/15/98 -0400, you wrote: >In a message dated 98-07-15 18:04:57 EDT, you write: > ><< reid: there IS a book with detailed plans/cross-sections for ww1 planes, > >title prosaically something like 'ww1 planes' or the like. i've seen it at > >a local hobby shop here is houston, but never bought it because i've heard > >thru the list of significant problems with some of the drawings (e.g. the > >biff, and albatros series if memory serves). however, some of the other > >plans in there appear to be OK. i seem to recall that they have at least > >the DH-1, don't know about the -2. can anyone else corroborate this? > > > >The Albatros series in this book is particularly fanciful- I don't think >there's a correct line drawn! Beautiful draftmanship- total fiction for >content. >Robert K. > >I have a book of plans... Scale Aircraft Drawings, published by Air Age Publishing. Heading of book cover says, From the Publishers of Model Airplane News. c.1986 There are plans of many of our favorites in the volume 1. An entire series of Albatros D.1-VI. Without putting a scale rule to them, and having a reliable plan to scale from, they look pretty good. The Fokker DVII plans were spot on with the DML kit. (if that says anything) Due to the detail of the plan sheet, I don't know if they would scan with enough detail without making a huge file. If anyone wants me to try, I will and fill up your hard drive! Mikedc ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 19:03:03 -0700 From: "Fernando E. Lamas, M.D." To: wwi Subject: Pfalz "Moonies" Message-ID: At 03:23 AM 7/15/98 -0400, you wrote: > >Fernando, > >Is this the daughter that the Pfalz was built for? Or am I thinking of >someone else's messages from the dim past of last year? > >Bob > Yes, she's the one. If you got Tom Hansen's Pfalz scans, there is one photo of Jasta 15 that shows a Pfalz D. IIIa with the "Moon Smoking Pipe" personal insignia. When I showed her that scan, her face lit up and she ran to her room to get her model and look at it in front of the computer. :-) One thing Patricia noticed right away was that, in the scan, "the Moon is facing the wrong way". And it was. The Moon was facing aft on the starboard side of that aircraft which was identified in the caption as a "D. IIIa". Ferko's Fligertruppe #2 has a photo from Hans Buttlar's photo album showing the starboard side of his "Moon Smoking Pipe" Pfalz with the Moon facing forward. Buttlar had labelled that photo "my Pfalz D. III". Cross and Cockades Vol. 24, Nr.3 has photos of both port and starboard (the same photo) sides of that D.III and they both show the Moon facing forward. Ferko's Fligertruppe #2 also has photos of a Pfalz that Buttlar had labelled "my D.IIIa". It no longer had the Moon but had 5 thin white bands around the fuselage. This aircraft can be seen in another photo on the cover of C&C 24/3 and was the aircraft of Hitschler who transfered to Jasta 57 on 25 Jan 18. Buttlar then inherited this Pfalz D.IIIa with it's markings. Ferko's Fligertruppe #2 then shows photos from a later date when Buttlar painted over the stripes on his D.IIIa and came up with his own original personal markings: a large white powder horn over a dark band. Ferko says that this aircraft was then one of those transfered to Jasta 15 during the massive personnel switch between Jastas 18 and 15 on 23 March 1918. Tom Hansen's scan photo was identified as a Jasta 15 photo taken at the Balatre airfield. That would have dated it between 28 March and 13 April 1918. So, it seems that the "Moon Smoking Pipe" insignia was not Buttlar's personal insignia. It was the insignia already on the "hand me down" Pfalz D.III he inherited in Jasta 18. After inheriting another paint scheme on a "hand me down" D.IIIa, Buttlar came up with his own original insignia before being transfered from Jasta 18 to Jasta 15. After the Jasta 18/Jasta 15 personnel switch, Tom Hansen's scan shows that a pilot, whose identity remains unknown, retained the "Moon Smoking Pipe" insignia on his D.IIIa. Only this time, the Moon was facing aft. I took a special interest in the "Moon Smoking Pipe" insignia because of it's whimsical nature and because Patricia specifically picked it out for her Pfalz. I don't know if anybody had ever noticed that the "Moon Smoking Pipe" lived on after Buttlar. If they hadn't, that goes to show that even 8 year-old girls can contibute to the study of WW I aviation history by noticing that "the Moon is facing the wrong way". Fernando Lamas ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 1111 **********************