WWI Digest 1099 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Thanks on the 4th by "Steve Perry" 2) Re: WWI digest 1096 by thayer@sirius.com (Thayer Syme) 3) 4th of July by Bill Bacon 4) Flashback W.29, dimensional notes by "S.M.Sundberg" 5) Re: Baracca's SPAD 13 and SPAD 7 by "Fernando E. Lamas, M.D." 6) Re: Happy day by Alberto Rada 7) Re: Librarians choice: Vintage Warbird books (J.M. Bruce et al). by mbittner@juno.com 8) Re: Baracca's SPAD 13 and SPAD 7 by "Mike Muth" 9) The US Nation by mbittner@juno.com 10) History of Guillows kits by "Charles Duckworth" 11) Re: Happy day by nieuport@juno.com (scott scarborough) 12) Re: The US Nation by nieuport@juno.com (scott scarborough) 13) Re: History of Guillows kits by WBailey719@aol.com 14) Re: History of Guillows kits by WBailey719@aol.com 15) Re: For Lee Mensinger and the W.W. II Generation by John & Allison Cyganowski 16) ww1 colours by Mike Fletcher 17) Re: ww1 colours by Bob Pearson 18) Re: Librarians choice: Vintage Warbird books (J.M. Bruce et al). by "Sandy Adam" 19) 5th of July by "Sandy Adam" 20) by sang33@hotmail.com 21) Re: History of Guillows kits by "Steve Perry" 22) Re: History of Guillows kits by "Charles Duckworth" 23) Re: Librarians choice: Vintage Warbird books (J.M. Bruce et al). by Suvoroff@aol.com 24) Re: by Mike Dicianna ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 5 Jul 1998 04:08:39 -0400 From: "Steve Perry" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Subject: Thanks on the 4th Message-ID: <000c01bda7ec$1ece5100$f8f745cf@helpcust> Thanks to all the list members from all over the world for their good wishes on the 4th. In a time when our US media often portrays us as quite unpopular abroad, it is very nice to hear such kind sentiments from so many people in so many countries. And special thanks to Bill, Lee and all the other list members who have done their duty and more in our behalf. I never had the honor to serve my country, but I make a point to remember all of you who have served each and every time I vote in each and every election. Thank you one and all for the privledge. Happy Birthday America! Steven Perry ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Jul 1998 14:30:34 -0700 From: thayer@sirius.com (Thayer Syme) To: wwi Subject: Re: WWI digest 1096 Message-ID: I was a bad boy. Somewhere I have lost the basic info on subscribing I need to unsub for a few weeks while on vacation. I Last night I tried a message to with as the subject. No luck so far. All help will be greatly appreciated. Thayer -- Thayer Syme Model Aviation Homepage San Francisco http://www.sirius.com/~thayer/modelhp.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 04 Jul 1998 16:53:40 -0500 From: Bill Bacon To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: 4th of July Message-ID: <359EA464.55514BC9@netjava.net> It is wonderful to have so many best wishes from all over the world. Thank you all. Steve: Thanks. As Lee says it is great to be appreciated. It was a job that had to be done. Our immortality lies only in the memory of others. The torch is yours treat it well. Cheers, Bill B. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 04 Jul 1998 18:23:49 -0600 From: "S.M.Sundberg" To: wwi Subject: Flashback W.29, dimensional notes Message-ID: <359EC770.E3E@netins.net> I received my Hansa-Brandenburg W.29 from Barry of Rosemont. I'm just finishing up a Sierra W.29 and thought a little comparison would be worthwhile. =20 The kit comprises four plastic sprues, a bag of resin detail parts, a sheet of photoetch and decals. Plastic: Well molded parts with usual early Eduard flash and large gates. The fuselage compared to Datafile drawings is not deep enough by about 9 scale inches. I'm not a nit-picker, so I think it looks o.k. unless you display it over three views. The wings chordwise are a little narrow at the tip and a little thick at the fuselage end, i.e., they look a little pointy whereas Sierra and the Datafile wings look square. The floats, horizontal stabilizer, rudder are well done and correct size. The engine looks to be a basic WWI daimler IIIa and not the Mercedes used on many. My classification is probably wrong, but it should be a left-sided exhaust, external pushrod engine, not a right sided exhaust, overhead cam engine. Resin: About 20 pieces including cockpit floor with built in seat, petrol tank, instrument panel. Spandau & Parabellum MGs, with full resin jackets or just the butts to which you apply PE jackets. There is a steering column, pedals, etc. Gunner's cockpit is kind of bare, but I've not seen any references that really showed that area. Photoetch: Nice little sheet with about 30 items including Instrument gauges, MG parts, Steering wheel, throttle quadrant, seat belts, control horns, inspection panels, etc. Decals: Hex sheets printed to fit the wings, applied at 45=B0 angle and not matched to adjacent panels. I got myself into trouble with the Sierra, following the Datafile by putting on rib tapes as recommended by Rimmell. I think there's agreement that the hex panels went chordwise and matched edges for a continuous pattern. Markings are present for two aircraft, Christiansen's 2512 and 2292. Large Balkenkreuze and Axial propeller markings are supplied. Summary: Pretty good kit, maybe dimensionally not as accurate as the Sierra, but much less work necessary. Excellent detail parts, both PE and resin. You should probably get a different HEX decal and check your references on the engine. I think it will look very good sitting next to the Sierra, although it's completion won't be quite as satisfying as the hard work required on the vacuform. Steve S. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Jul 1998 17:24:02 -0700 From: "Fernando E. Lamas, M.D." To: wwi Subject: Re: Baracca's SPAD 13 and SPAD 7 Message-ID: At 08:07 PM 6/29/98 Mike Muth wrote: > In going through my stuff, I couldn't find any good >pictures of Baracca's SPAD 13 in 5 color camo. Any pictures or perhaps >drawings(hint, hint). Did the Italian SPAD use the same pattern as the >French? If so, would the big Blackfoot on the upper right wing be >appropriate? >Mike Muth ......... >nu: Probably Baracca's SPAD....Still no pictures found. Hard to imagine In C&C (USA), Vol. 25/ Nr. 3, I found a photo of Baracca standing next to the port side of his SPAD 13 on 10 April 1918. The camouflage detail in the photo is poor. However, it seems to me that it matches the camouflage pattern of a Bleriot-built SPAD 13 as illustrated in the FMP "French Aircraft" book. As I understand it, the SPAD 13's used by the Italians had the early "rounded" wingtips. I also came across the web page of the Baracca museum in Italy at: www.racine.ra.it/lugo/baracca/ It has color photos of an original SPAD 7 that is now in the museum and which allegedly belonged to Baracca. Fernando Lamas ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 04 Jul 1998 20:57:52 -0400 From: Alberto Rada To: wwi Subject: Re: Happy day Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980704205752.007a2210@argonaut.net> Lee, I agree with you completely, because of my company's business, many people I am acquainted to are about your age, and having dedicated most of their lives solely to making money, they are pretty rich. Most of them are pretty sour, distrustful and wearisome. So, yes, Sometimes it seems that it doesn't pay to be a winner, I was born in 1942, so I can't tell you much, first hand on any of the big conflicts, but my father a Spanish Basque, was in Argentina when the Spanish civil war broke out, and he went back to Spain to fight his war, he was assigned to the International Brigade in Madrid ( because he spoke several languages ) most of his comrades in arms where Americans, British, Canadians, French and maybe other nationalities I cant recall. That was not their country, but it was their war, as they where fighting for freedom against Fascism. Out of the about 3000 men it was comprised, only 200 where left when Madrid surrendered, thanks God, my father among them, and fortunately he was able to escape. There where so many evenings through all my childhood listening to those fantastic stories of those magnificent men heroism . My father died some years ago, he was a wonderful man and, by the way, a very good modeler, and is much loved and well remembered by all who knew him. He has been my North, all my life and so where his comrades in arms, which I did not know personally, but so much tough me, and so are you now . Therefore Lee, I don't agree with you. It does pay to be a winner, you are a winner Thank you Lee Alberto At 12:43 AM 04-07-98 -0400, you wrote: I missed out on the fun and games in the Hurtgen Forest. I arrived >almost immediately afterward and was assigned to be a heavy machine >gunner with a water cooled 30. > >Went on to be among the first hundred across the Remagen Bridge, and >traveled up and down Germany from Remagen to the Ruhr and back soputh to >geissen and then east to pilsen and back to a small town next to the >Russian occupied zone. A little town called Mellrichstadt was our home >base when the shooting stopped. I recently saw the movie about the >Hurtgen. Things like that really happened but not quite as rapidly as >in the movie. We had months, they had two hours. Thank you for the >congratulations it is appreciated. I went on to become a Weather >forecaster in the Air Force and spent a total of 25 1/2 years in with >3.5 years in south east Asia. Three battle stars on the area ribbon. >Mainly because I was the only USAF forecaster with a Combat Infantry >Badge. We made the forecasts for the army units with choppers. I also >worked in other places like Thailand so there were good times also. >Sometimes it seems that it doesn't pay to be a winner. At 73 years old >any thanks is greatly appreciated. > >Lee ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Jul 1998 20:59:14 -0500 From: mbittner@juno.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Librarians choice: Vintage Warbird books (J.M. Bruce et al). Message-ID: <19980704.210019.-174869.1.mbittner@juno.com> On Fri, 3 Jul 1998 22:16:31 -0400 mgoodwin@ricochet.net writes: >I picked up a couple of these at the Nationals; Nieuport Aircraft and >The Bristol Fighter. They set me back only a couple sawbucks (for >both), >and at this price they are an exceptional value as references. I also >have the Sopwith Fighters book, which I is still my favorite. >FWIW, there were three others in the series on one of the tables, Air >War Over Great Britain 1914-1918 (Rimell), German Aces of WWI (Imrie; >great book if you're a Teutophile) and World War One in the Air >(Rimell) >which contains air-to-air shots, all of them rare and most remarkable. >The sequence of the tri-color Fokker D.II is particularly interesting. >Couldn't get all of them as I'd already given Tom a bunch of my money. Bummer. Too bad I was camping, as the only one I'm missing is the German Aces. Ah well... Matt Bittner _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Jul 1998 22:11:53 -0400 From: "Mike Muth" To: Subject: Re: Baracca's SPAD 13 and SPAD 7 Message-ID: <002c01bda7ba$47acbb20$4106bacc@bucky> Thanks...that sounds like what I was looking for. Even if the photo is poor, could you get a copy to me????Let me know whatever the cost will be. Mike Muth 271 Prospect St. East Stroudsburg, PA 18301 -----Original Message----- From: Fernando E. Lamas, M.D. To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Saturday, July 04, 1998 8:25 PM Subject: Re: Baracca's SPAD 13 and SPAD 7 >At 08:07 PM 6/29/98 Mike Muth wrote: >> In going through my stuff, I couldn't find any good >>pictures of Baracca's SPAD 13 in 5 color camo. Any pictures or perhaps >>drawings(hint, hint). Did the Italian SPAD use the same pattern as the >>French? If so, would the big Blackfoot on the upper right wing be >>appropriate? >>Mike Muth >........ >>nu: Probably Baracca's SPAD....Still no pictures found. Hard to imagine > > In C&C (USA), Vol. 25/ Nr. 3, I found a photo of Baracca standing next to >the port side of his SPAD 13 on 10 April 1918. The camouflage detail in the >photo is poor. However, it seems to me that it matches the camouflage >pattern of a Bleriot-built SPAD 13 as illustrated in the FMP "French >Aircraft" book. > > As I understand it, the SPAD 13's used by the Italians had the early >"rounded" wingtips. > > I also came across the web page of the Baracca museum in Italy at: >www.racine.ra.it/lugo/baracca/ > > It has color photos of an original SPAD 7 that is now in the museum and >which allegedly belonged to Baracca. > > Fernando Lamas > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Jul 1998 21:39:19 -0500 From: mbittner@juno.com To: wwi Subject: The US Nation Message-ID: <19980704.213920.-174869.3.mbittner@juno.com> I do want to thank all those - especially Lee - for making our nation great. I had the fortune of serving in the USAF, but was in the "nuclear" side so didn't see combat. However, I still am proud for serving our country. So thanks to all those who gave their "all" for the good of our country. I am extremely displeased at the way our country has turned, with everybody thinking that any holiday is an excuse for partying. Sorry, but I'm a bit miffed now with the way people treat the 4th of July. Matt Bittner _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Jul 1998 21:43:40 -0500 From: "Charles Duckworth" To: "ww1list" Subject: History of Guillows kits Message-ID: <199807050240.VAA28775@mail.primary.net> Has anyone put together a list of the old Guillow's WWI aircraft? Memory is somewhat hazy in that I know I built the Nieuport N.28, Rumpler and the Fokker D-VII while in high school. How many did they finally offer? Did the company (and dies) go up in smoke in the early 1980's? In the days of Aurora 1/48 and Revell 1/72 they weren't that bad of an alternative - unless you couldn'y resist the flying bug and ended up with a pile of balsa wood and paper after four flights! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 04 Jul 1998 23:45:18 EDT From: nieuport@juno.com (scott scarborough) To: wwi Subject: Re: Happy day Message-ID: <19980324.170405.9382.0.nieuport@juno.com> On Sat, 4 Jul 1998 21:17:28 -0400 Alberto Rada writes: > >Lee, >I agree with you completely, because of my company's business, >many people I am acquainted to are about your age, and having >dedicated most of their lives solely to making money, they are >pretty rich. Most of them are pretty sour, distrustful and wearisome. > >So, yes, Sometimes it seems that it doesn't pay to be a winner, > >I was born in 1942, so I can't tell you much, first hand on any of the > >big conflicts, but my father a Spanish Basque, was in Argentina when >the Spanish civil war broke out, and he went back to Spain to fight >his >war, he was assigned to the International Brigade in Madrid ( because >he spoke several languages ) most of his comrades in arms where >Americans, British, Canadians, French and maybe other nationalities >I cant recall. That was not their country, but it was their war, as >they >where fighting for freedom against Fascism. >Out of the about 3000 men it was comprised, only 200 where left when >Madrid surrendered, thanks God, my father among them, and fortunately >he was able to escape. >There where so many evenings through all my childhood listening to >those >fantastic stories of those magnificent men heroism . >My father died some years ago, he was a wonderful man and, by the way, > >a very good modeler, and is much loved and well remembered by all who >knew him. >He has been my North, all my life and so where his comrades in arms, >which I did not know personally, but so much tough me, >and so are you now . > >Therefore Lee, I don't agree with you. >It does pay to be a winner, you are a winner > >Thank you Lee > > > >Alberto > >Over 40,000 people ( of the international brigades) flocked to the banner of Republican Spain during the first year or so, of that war, over 4,000 were Americans. Other nationalities included Australians, New Zealanders, Dutch, German anti Fascists, Italian anti Fascists, Czechs, Poles, Mexicans and Russians. Many Africans also came to fight for the cause of Spanish democracy. My first interest is WW I aviation, my other main interest is the Spanish Civil War, which I model in between Spads and Fokkers. I would like to know more about your fathers activities in Spain if you don't mind someone being nosey. With sincere regards. Scott Scarborough Nieuport@juno.com > > > >At 12:43 AM 04-07-98 -0400, you wrote: >I missed out on the fun and games in the Hurtgen Forest. I arrived >>almost immediately afterward and was assigned to be a heavy machine >>gunner with a water cooled 30. >> >>Went on to be among the first hundred across the Remagen Bridge, and >>traveled up and down Germany from Remagen to the Ruhr and back soputh >to >>geissen and then east to pilsen and back to a small town next to the >>Russian occupied zone. A little town called Mellrichstadt was our >home >>base when the shooting stopped. I recently saw the movie about the >>Hurtgen. Things like that really happened but not quite as rapidly >as >>in the movie. We had months, they had two hours. Thank you for the >>congratulations it is appreciated. I went on to become a Weather >>forecaster in the Air Force and spent a total of 25 1/2 years in with >>3.5 years in south east Asia. Three battle stars on the area ribbon. >>Mainly because I was the only USAF forecaster with a Combat Infantry >>Badge. We made the forecasts for the army units with choppers. I >also >>worked in other places like Thailand so there were good times also. >>Sometimes it seems that it doesn't pay to be a winner. At 73 years >old >>any thanks is greatly appreciated. >> >>Lee > > > _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 04 Jul 1998 23:58:26 EDT From: nieuport@juno.com (scott scarborough) To: wwi Subject: Re: The US Nation Message-ID: <19980324.171735.9382.1.nieuport@juno.com> On Sat, 4 Jul 1998 22:43:12 -0400 mbittner@juno.com writes: >I do want to thank all those - especially Lee - for making our nation >great. I had the fortune of serving in the USAF, but was in the >"nuclear" side so didn't see combat. However, I still am proud for >serving our country. > >So thanks to all those who gave their "all" for the good of our >country. >I am extremely displeased at the way our country has turned, with >everybody thinking that any holiday is an excuse for partying. > >Sorry, but I'm a bit miffed now with the way people treat the 4th of >July. > > >Matt Bittner DITTO Matt. Don't be sorry , voice your displeasure. Maybe the partying bone heads will wake up. Scott __________________________________________________________________ >You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. >Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com >Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] > _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Jul 1998 00:01:37 EDT From: WBailey719@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: History of Guillows kits Message-ID: <560c4d89.359efaa2@aol.com> Hi Charles, While I have never seen a complete listing done by anyone of the Guillows WWI kit line, I do have a lot of fond memories of them. I started building balsa flying models in 1962 at the age 10. Afterall, they did fly a lot more 'scale like' than my plastic models . The popular model magazines of the time included "Model Airplane News" which had advertisements from guillows themselves as well as a well known mail order house on the US east coast. I still have some of these issues from the 50's and 60's which now reside in storage. These issues were my most valued possessions and were my first exposure to the drawings of William Wylam, Paul Matte, and other big drafting names of the period for scale buffs. I have saved most of the plans from the guillows kits for they include patterns for every balsa part as well as 3 views that showed rigging plans. If the builder substituted lighter balsa wood for the parts behind the plane's center of gravity, they were great flyers. The Guillows WWI line came in 2 sizes back then. One line was of kits with a span of 24 inches, the other, if memory serves correctly, was of a total span of approximately 17 inches. The smaller size offered the most kits from WWI. I remember the Nieuport 11 as one of the 24 inch kits. The smaller size included: Fokker D VIII, Fokker DVII, Halberstadt Cl II, Rumpler c IV?, Sopwith Camel, SE5a, Nieuport 28, and if memory serves correctly there was one offered only in the 50's.There were probably more, and the minute I send this, I will remember another I forgot. It has been a while since thinking of these and will try to get to the older issues of M.A.N. tommorrow at my storage unit. I am glad to see that someone got to build the Rumpler. That one was dropped from production before I could get one. Please tell me you still have the Rumpler plans, Charles. I would dearly love to get a copy of those. I can envission a 36" span enlargement for flying by radio control. Thanks for bringing back some fond memories, Bill Bailey In a message dated 98-07-04 22:41:52 EDT, Charles Duckworth wrote: << Has anyone put together a list of the old Guillow's WWI aircraft? Memory is somewhat hazy in that I know I built the Nieuport N.28, Rumpler and the Fokker D-VII while in high school. How many did they finally offer? Did the company (and dies) go up in smoke in the early 1980's? In the days of Aurora 1/48 and Revell 1/72 they weren't that bad of an alternative - unless you couldn'y resist the flying bug and ended up with a pile of balsa wood and paper after four flights! >> ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Jul 1998 00:09:21 EDT From: WBailey719@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: History of Guillows kits Message-ID: Hi again, Sure enough, I remember another kit offered by Guillows that I omitted from my recent post on this subject. It was the Thomas Morris Scout and was another with a wingsplan of about 17 inches. Hope this helps, Bill In a message dated 98-07-04 22:41:52 EDT, you write: << Has anyone put together a list of the old Guillow's WWI aircraft? Memory is somewhat hazy in that I know I built the Nieuport N.28, Rumpler and the Fokker D-VII while in high school. How many did they finally offer? >> ------------------------------Snip-------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 05 Jul 1998 00:35:23 -0400 From: John & Allison Cyganowski To: wwi Subject: Re: For Lee Mensinger and the W.W. II Generation Message-ID: <359F028B.82A@worldnet.att.net> I would also like to add my thanks to you and your comrads in arms and wish you all a happy 4th of July. I turned 38 this year so that makes me part of the generation to whom much has been given and from whom little has been asked. I have been contemplating things of this sort a lot this year. 30 years ago my Father was locked in combat in the Vietnamese Central Highlands during the Tet Offensive. He was the same age I am now. My own problems seem trivial by comparison, and I wonder if I measure up? I also think about an Uncle I never met - who won the Silver Star and lost his life on Omaha Beach. Again I wonder if I measure up? Anyway, thank you Lee and your generation for your sacrifice. John Cyg. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 05 Jul 1998 00:23:12 -0700 From: Mike Fletcher To: wwi Subject: ww1 colours Message-ID: <359F29E0.D2AE313F@mars.ark.com> I was going through my copy of WW1 British Aeroplane Colours and Markings (B.Robertson) looking for PC 10 specs when I realized that the two photos labelled *original* can't be because fabric tapes were not pinked by the Brits until the 1930's (according to official orders anyway) and yet there's pinking on both! Anyway my question for the masses is should the PC10 on a 1917 aircraft be more brown or green? No two of my references seem to agree on this matter. Mike Fletcher ___ ., |-\|^----! ; |--n--""*" @ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Jul 1998 00:51:38 -0700 From: Bob Pearson To: WW1 Mailing list Subject: Re: ww1 colours Message-ID: <07513844602764@KAIEN.COM> Mike, Welcome to the fun world of WW1 colours. As far as PC10 goes, a basic rule of thumb is it is more brown the later in the war one gets. But even then it varies due to exposure to the elements, paint batch etc. So chose which reference you wish to believe and go by that. I seem to recall that photos of WW1 British aircraft show the tapes to be frayed on the edges. Regards, Bob Pearson ---------- > From: Mike Fletcher > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: ww1 colours > Date: Sun, 5 Jul 1998 03:29:28 -0400 > > I was going through my copy of WW1 British Aeroplane Colours and > Markings (B.Robertson) looking for PC 10 specs when I realized that the > two photos labelled *original* can't be because fabric tapes were not > pinked by the Brits until the 1930's (according to official orders > anyway) and yet there's pinking on both! Anyway my question for the > masses is should the PC10 on a 1917 aircraft be more brown or green? No > two of my references seem to agree on this matter. > > > Mike Fletcher > ___ ., > |-\|^----! ; > |--n--""*" > @ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Jul 1998 10:36:52 -0700 From: "Sandy Adam" To: Subject: Re: Librarians choice: Vintage Warbird books (J.M. Bruce et al). Message-ID: <199807050947.KAA23623@beryl.sol.co.uk> Frank Smith Aviation Bookshop in Newcastle-upon-Tyne bought up all the remaining stocks of this series when they were remaindered. He is selling them in complete sets but may be persuaded to part with the odd single copy. I got my complete set here; they are all excellent - many rare pictures I haven't seen elsewhere. Pity the series stopped with the Nieuport volume, they could have done another ten. If anybody wants Frank's details let me know. Sandy ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Jul 1998 10:40:11 -0700 From: "Sandy Adam" To: Subject: 5th of July Message-ID: <199807050947.KAA23626@beryl.sol.co.uk> Happy 5th to you all - sorry I'm a day late. 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( Rm 1514, Argyle Centre- Phase I, 688 Nathan Road, Mongkok, Kowloon. ) ** »Õ¤U­Ó¤H¸ê®Æ±N¨Ñ¥»·|¥Î§@µo®i½Òµ{¤Î±À¼s¥Î³~ ** Ápµ¸¹q¸Ü: 2191 6928 ¶Ç¯u¸¹½X: 2398 2985 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Jul 1998 19:17:43 -0400 From: "Steve Perry" To: Subject: Re: History of Guillows kits Message-ID: <001401bda86b$1dd97700$f4fc45cf@helpcust> -----Original Message----- From: WBailey719@aol.com To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Sunday, July 05, 1998 12:14 AM Subject: Re: History of Guillows kits >Hi again, > > Sure enough, I remember another kit offered by Guillows that I omitted >from >my recent post on this subject. It was the Thomas Morris Scout and was >another with a wingsplan of about 17 inches. > > Hope this helps, > Bill Bill & Charles: I recall 1962 when I was also 10. The Dixie Hobby shop in Tampa had a case of finished Gillows WWI models on display. All were painted nicely and rigged. Probably 4 or 5 of them( Spad, SE5, N28, Dr1 are all I recall). The SE5 was my second paper & stick kit and it was a while before my paper & stick kits flew any better than my plastic ones. Didn't they make an Albatros too? I know Sterling did/does. Locally I've seen the Nie.11, Tommy Morse, Dr1 available in the smaller scale and there is a Camel I keep eyeing in the larger scale. BTW: I spent hours pouring over old MANs and in particular the add for the East coast mail order hobby shop. Never made an order but visited in person while in NY on vacation. I imagined a store at least the size of Sears just filled with models. It was a second story hole in the wall off a side street. A bare room with a counter. No models in site. I had my magazine and was able to give them the number and they produced a kit from the back. I was bummed. Off to dig the Dr1 kit out of hiding and maybe even do something with it. Sorry Sandy, maybe I'll poke a few holes in the tissue for battle damage :) thanks sp ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Jul 1998 07:42:34 -0500 From: "Charles Duckworth" To: Subject: Re: History of Guillows kits Message-ID: <199807051239.HAA29895@mail.primary.net> Please tell me you still have the Rumpler plans, I would dearly love to get a copy of those. I can envission a 36" span enlargement. Bill, I probably built the Rumpler in 1967-68 and, like the rest of my models of my teenage years, it and the plans didn't make it through two younger brothers and mom's spring cleaning. I did have enough sense (of luck) to keep my WWI book collection and still use many for reference but also enjoy the memories in using them for references in rigging and painting the Aurora and Revell kits. Hopefully, someone on the list that could help you with copies of the Rumpler plans. Thanks for the recap of the models. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Jul 1998 09:31:55 EDT From: Suvoroff@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Librarians choice: Vintage Warbird books (J.M. Bruce et al). Message-ID: <8ae44332.359f804c@aol.com> Quoth Sandy; "I got my complete set here; they are all excellent - many rare pictures I haven't seen elsewhere. " Anything interesting on the Caudron R.11? Yours, James D. Gray ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 05 Jul 1998 09:05:52 +0000 From: Mike Dicianna To: wwi Subject: Re: Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19980705090552.006b43a8@proaxis.com> At 07:16 AM 7/5/98 -0400, you wrote: >I couldn't agree more!, Thanks for your help! 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