WWI Digest 1071

Topics covered in this issue include:

  1) Re: "The Jew With The Blue Max"
	by Bob Pearson <bpearson@kaien.com>
  2) Re: WWI Model and Decal Sale
	by Geoff Smith <GeoffSmith@compuserve.com>
  3) Re: FLASH! BULLETIN! BOY IN P-51!
	by Geoff Smith <GeoffSmith@compuserve.com>
  4) RE: FLASH! BULLETIN! BOY IN P-51!
	by Pedro e Francisca Soares <pnsoares@mail.telepac.pt>
  5) Re: New Pegasus Kit: Macchi M-5 Flying Boat!
	by Patrick Padovan <ppadovan@timber20.timberland.lib.wa.us>
  6) Re: "The Jew With The Blue Max"
	by Patrick Padovan <ppadovan@timber20.timberland.lib.wa.us>
  7) Re: [Fwd: Werner Voss]
	by Patrick Padovan <ppadovan@timber20.timberland.lib.wa.us>
  8) Re: FLASH! BULLETIN! BOY IN P-51!
	by Zulis@aol.com
  9) Re: Be Careful what you wish(ed) for!!!
	by mbittner@juno.com
 10) Re: WWI Model and Decal Sale: Jesse:
	by Patrick Padovan <ppadovan@timber20.timberland.lib.wa.us>
 11) Re: WW I kits
	by GRBroman@aol.com
 12) Re:  Turkish translation
	by ModelerAl@aol.com
 13) Re: New Pegasus Kit: Macchi M-5 Flying Boat!
	by mgoodwin@ricochet.net
 14) Re: Price quote: Airfix Bloody Paralyser (HP 0/400) and Novo Vimy
	by mgoodwin@ricochet.net
 15) Re: Be Careful what you wish(ed) for!!!
	by Graham Nash <graham.nash@citicorp.com>
 16) Re: an appeal to all engineers...
	by Aidrian Bridgeman-Sutton <Aidrian.BS@ConnectorSystems.co.nz>
 17) Eduard Nie 17 lands!
	by "Sandy Adam" <cbbs@almac.co.uk>
 18) Re: Eduard Nie 17 lands!
	by mbittner@juno.com
 19) Methuen scans
	by Bob Pearson <bpearson@kaien.com>
 20) Small Scale Mk.I
	by mbittner@juno.com
 21) Re: Eduard Nie 17 lands!
	by mbittner@juno.com
 22) Re: Be Careful what you wish(ed) for!!!
	by Maciej Szymanski <mszyman@ibch.poznan.pl>
 23) Re: Eduard Nie 17 lands!
	by Charles Hart <hartc@spot.colorado.edu>
 24) Re: Eduard Nie 17 lands!
	by Ernest Thomas <ethomas6@bellsouth.net>
 25) Re: Methuen scans
	by Bill Bacon <wbacon@netjava.net>
 26) Re: Eduard Nie 17 lands!
	by Charles Hart <hartc@spot.colorado.edu>
 27) Re: Eduard Nie 17 lands!
	by "Sandy Adam" <cbbs@almac.co.uk>
 28) Re: Eduard Nie 17 lands!
	by Ernest Thomas <ethomas6@bellsouth.net>
 29) Re: Eduard Nie 17 lands!
	by "Sandy Adam" <cbbs@almac.co.uk>
 30) Re: Eduard Nie 17 lands!
	by Ernest Thomas <ethomas6@bellsouth.net>
 31) Re: Eduard Nie 17 lands!
	by "Paul Schwartzkopf" <PSchwartzkopf@transcrypt.com>
 32) Re: Eduard Nie 17 lands!
	by TPTPUMPER@aol.com

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Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 11:14:55 -0700
From: Bob Pearson <bpearson@kaien.com>
To: WW1 Mailing list <wwi>
Subject: Re: "The Jew With The Blue Max"
Message-ID: <18145542409206@KAIEN.COM>


Brad,

That sounds right, it probably came from Degelow's book.

Bob

----------
> From: "Brad Gossen" <bigglesrfc@globalserve.net>

> Bob,
>          I believe Carl Degelow is the fellow.
> Brad
> 
> ----------
> > From: Bob Pearson <bpearson@kaien.com>
> > To: Multiple recipients of list <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
> > Subject: Re: "The Jew With The Blue Max"
> > Date: Saturday, June 13, 1998 7:33 AM
> > 
> > 
> > I seem to recall there is a bit more to this story  . . . Goering had
> been
> > saved by one of his pilots and it was this fellow who got 'Fat Hermann'
> to
> > pull strings to get the other pilot's friend Rosenstein out of Germany -
> > after this the other pilot was told that the debt was now repaid and not
> to
> > contact Hermann again. 
> > 
> > Anyone know if my memory is correct or has an excellent late night pizza
> and
> > ceaser salad corrupted my poor mind?
> > 
> > Regards,
> >        Bob Pearson
> > 
> > ----------
> > > From: KarrArt@aol.com
> > 
> > >  Some time ago, the list touched on my nominee for the strangest case
> of
> > WW I
> > > aerial German Jewish history- Willy Rosenstein, a 9 victory ace who
> flew
> > with
> > > Goring and who happened to be Jewish. In the Nazi era, Rosenstein
> wanted
> > to
> > > move to South Africa, and Fat Herman pulled strings for his old
> comrade,
> > > saying in effect "You WILL let my old friend go". Rosenstein moved to
> > > S.Africa, started a flight school, and in WW II his son joined the
> SAAF,
> > and
> > > was shot down and killed in a Spitfire in 1945 over the Med.
> > > Robert K.
> > 


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Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 14:16:55 -0400
From: Geoff Smith <GeoffSmith@compuserve.com>
To: "INTERNET:wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" <wwi>
Subject: Re: WWI Model and Decal Sale
Message-ID: <199806151417_MC2-4046-E1DF@compuserve.com>


> I have recently been diagnosed with fibromyalgia. This will limit the
> amount of model building I can do.

Jesse,

Sorry to hear this. I hope you can keep smilin', especially on us.

Redards,

Geoff

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Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 14:16:57 -0400
From: Geoff Smith <GeoffSmith@compuserve.com>
To: "INTERNET:wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" <wwi>
Subject: Re: FLASH! BULLETIN! BOY IN P-51!
Message-ID: <199806151417_MC2-4046-E1E1@compuserve.com>


>Re: FLASH! BULLETIN! BOY IN P-51!<

At first I thought this was going to be one of those weird Press
revelations! After reading I realised there was nothing weird, only to be=

expected really. Well done to both of you.

Geoff

PS Please don't forget me next time you win a ride.

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Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 21:16:20 +0200
From: Pedro e Francisca Soares <pnsoares@mail.telepac.pt>
To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" <wwi>
Subject: RE: FLASH! BULLETIN! BOY IN P-51!
Message-ID: <01BD98A3.1058FB00@fei1-p8.telepac.pt>



-----Original Message-----
From:	Geoff Smith [SMTP:GeoffSmith@compuserve.com]
Sent:	Monday, June 15, 1998 8:24 PM
To:	Multiple recipients of list
Subject:	Re: FLASH! BULLETIN! BOY IN P-51!


>Re: FLASH! BULLETIN! BOY IN P-51!<

! After reading I realised there was nothing weird, only to be=

expected really. Well done to both of you.

Geoff

PS Please don't forget me next time you win a ride.

Robert, 

If Geoff gets the ride for the Blenheim

 what are you gonna come up next so that I can have a ride too?

Your admiring son,

Pedro

(I'll water the lawn too... and cut the grass... and dig the weeds....)


A great Parabens to both of you

Pedro

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Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 14:08:27 -0700 (PDT)
From: Patrick Padovan <ppadovan@timber20.timberland.lib.wa.us>
To: Multiple recipients of list <wwi>
Subject: Re: New Pegasus Kit: Macchi M-5 Flying Boat!
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.93.980615140541.26492B-100000@timber20.timberland.lib.wa.us>

Dear Rodan: If you're offering 'em, I'm accepting 'em, and thanks much! If
you send your only copies, I'll copy 'em and return 'em. Or I can
reimburse you for copies of the copies, yada yada yada. Do you have the
black & white, non-color-copied profiles, too? My new address is 120
Cristler Road, Chehalis, WA 98532. Thanks again!
                                                    Ciao! Patrick

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Patrick Padovan
e-mail:   ppadovan@timberland.lib.wa.us
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On Fri, 12 Jun 1998 mgoodwin@ricochet.net wrote:

> Patrick Padovan wrote:
> 
> >My libraries still in
> > boxes after our move last weekend, so I did no measuring or
> > "laying-on-of-plans."
> 
> Thanks to Bill Shatzer (who also rates a Good Joe award), I've a copy of
> plans from Windsock 6/6 if you need 'em.  There are profiles in this
> issue as well, but I was too cheap to color copy them.
> 
> FWIW,
> 
> Riordan
> 


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Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 14:11:47 -0700 (PDT)
From: Patrick Padovan <ppadovan@timber20.timberland.lib.wa.us>
To: Multiple recipients of list <wwi>
Subject: Re: "The Jew With The Blue Max"
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.93.980615140954.26492C-100000@timber20.timberland.lib.wa.us>

Dear Bill: Thanks for the info, re Voss, Frankl, and etc.
                                                    Regards, Patrick
                                                    

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Patrick Padovan
e-mail:   ppadovan@timberland.lib.wa.us
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On Fri, 12 Jun 1998, Bill Bacon wrote:

> Patrick,
> 
> The booklet you are refering to is about Frankl who was Jewish and dropped
> from the rols at Hitler's direction.  Needless to say he has been reinstated
> and it is my understanding that the is a squadron named for him un the present
> German Air Force.
> 
> Werner Voss was NOT Jewish but rather a Lutheran.  I have not been able to
> track down the start of the rumor but it keeps cropping up.  The fact that his
> family were dyers may have something to do with it.  Help, anyone
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Bill B,.
> 
> Patrick Padovan wrote:
> 
> > Dear Gents: My library is temporarily unavailable, having been devoured by
> > numerous boxes during our recent move. Could someone out there kindly
> > provide the name of the subject of the above book title? Max-? (It's about
> > a Pour l'Merit recipient whose name was conveniently left off of an "Honor
> > Roll" (!) of Blue Max recipients that was published by the Nazi regime
> > pre-WWII. (I'm SURE it was just an OVERSIGHT. . . NOT!)
> >     Also, was Werner Voss Jewish? If so, was his name also left off of
> > this so-called "honor roll?" (Inquiring minds want to know. . . & so do
> > I!)
> >                                               Thanks in advance,
> >                                                   Patrick
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > Patrick Padovan
> > e-mail:   ppadovan@timberland.lib.wa.us
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> 
> 
> 


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Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 14:14:30 -0700 (PDT)
From: Patrick Padovan <ppadovan@timber20.timberland.lib.wa.us>
To: Multiple recipients of list <wwi>
Subject: Re: [Fwd: Werner Voss]
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.93.980615141223.26492D-100000@timber20.timberland.lib.wa.us>

 Dear Bill: Why is it a "dumb question," do you suppose? I'd be curious to
know Kilduff's answer.
                                             Regards, Patrick

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Patrick Padovan
e-mail:   ppadovan@timberland.lib.wa.us
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On Fri, 12 Jun 1998, Bill Bacon wrote:

> One and all,
> 
> Just got this from Peter K. and it speaks for itself.  This should put it to bed
> for a little while anyway.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Bill B.
> 
> Peter Kilduff wrote:
> 
> > Bill,
> >
> > You're going to LOVE this one!  My source re: Voss' religious affiliation
> > is a copy of articles from his local newspaper -- when he was being lionized
> > by the 3rd Reich goons as an example of "correct German manhood."  How much
> > more could one ask for?  Do you think the local Gauleiter would have gone
> > for that if there were any questions about Werner's past?
> >
> > The question is a dumb one -- but I suspect it will arise again.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Peter
> 
> 
> 
> 


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Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 17:18:25 EDT
From: Zulis@aol.com
To: wwi
Subject: Re: FLASH! BULLETIN! BOY IN P-51!
Message-ID: <5d2dc129.35858fa2@aol.com>

In a message dated 98-06-15 04:19:05 EDT, Robert wrote:

<< AND- he took the junior category with his own 1/700 Hornet carrying the
 Doolittle raidors in rough seas! >>

Robert;

First of all - congratulations to both of you.    You have given your son a
moment which he will speak of for the rest of his life, and describing it will
be just as cool when he is a teenager as it is now.     A ride in a P-51 is
cool for life.

I am especially glad to hear about young people building models.    When I was
a kid (41 years old now) there was a hobby shop on every other corner.
Now... a handful of them in a city of about 5 million.     I have understood
this - when we were kids there were no computers, computer games, video
rentals, few organized sports and not so many malls.      Your boy
participating in the junior category is a good sign, (and probably an omen of
few first prizes for any of his peers in your part of the country for many
years to come.)   Good stuff.

Dave Z


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Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 16:28:14 -0500
From: mbittner@juno.com
To: wwi
Subject: Re: Be Careful what you wish(ed) for!!!
Message-ID: <19980615.163237.-181197.0.mbittner@juno.com>

On Mon, 15 Jun 1998 10:01:21 -0400 Graham Nash <graham.nash@citicorp.com>
writes:

>With a few spare moments on my hands, I thoiught I'd see what Father
>Christmas did for all us modellers since the 1996 'wish list' was put
>together.

<snip>

Thanks for the list!  I only have one correction:

>Fokker Dr.I		1/72nd	Revell/Airfix	2	Passchendale=20

Isn't Paashendale doing the D.II conversion?  I don't think Paaschendale
is coming out with a 1/72nd Dr.I.  I *know* Hawkeye Models is coming out
with one.


Matt Bittner

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Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 14:36:57 -0700 (PDT)
From: Patrick Padovan <ppadovan@timber20.timberland.lib.wa.us>
To: Multiple recipients of list <wwi>
Subject: Re: WWI Model and Decal Sale: Jesse:
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.93.980615143530.26492G-100000@timber20.timberland.lib.wa.us>

Dear Jesse: Sorry to hear that. I'm sending best wishes your way. Hang in
there, bro!
                                                     Regards, Patrick

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Patrick Padovan   e-mail:   ppadovan@timberland.lib.wa.us
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Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 17:44:23 EDT
From: GRBroman@aol.com
To: wwi
Subject: Re: WW I kits
Message-ID: <fe81ba50.358595b8@aol.com>

In a message dated 98-06-15 06:34:33 EDT, you write:

<< 
 >Sure, here it is:
 
 >Nieu 17 Bishop  Hobbycraft 1/48 (2)  $8.50
 >Sopwith Camel      "              "         $9.50
 
 These are actually 1/32nd scale.
 
 Which makes:
  >Nieu 24/27 Conversion  Tom's Modelworks    1/32  $7.00
  ever so much more useful.
  Cheers and all,  >>


Hmmm, must have been a software error :). Glen

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Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 18:38:11 EDT
From: ModelerAl@aol.com
To: wwi
Subject: Re:  Turkish translation
Message-ID: <a6ca3cb.3585a254@aol.com>


     It's finished!  Will mail it out to Matt Zivich tomorrow - the subject
doesn't interest me personally & I won't be keeping a copy for myself, so all
those interested please contact him directly.

Cheers,
Al
http://users.aol.com/modeleral

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Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 17:21:44 -0700
From: mgoodwin@ricochet.net
To: wwi
Subject: Re: New Pegasus Kit: Macchi M-5 Flying Boat!
Message-ID: <3585BA98.50C6@ricochet.net>

Patrick Padovan wrote:
> 
> Dear Rodan: If you're offering 'em, I'm accepting 'em, and thanks much!

Don't mention it. 

>If you send your only copies, I'll copy 'em and return 'em. Or I can
> reimburse you for copies of the copies, yada yada yada.

I'll just copy my copies and send 'em to you. Simpler, and not enough
change (< $.50) to worry about.

 Do you have the
> black & white, non-color-copied profiles, too?

No, I stupidly (or perhaps merely absentmindedly) neglected to copy
them, so someone on the list will have to help with that.
I'll try to get it in the mail this week. 

Cheers,

Riordan

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Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 17:32:55 -0700
From: mgoodwin@ricochet.net
To: wwi
Subject: Re: Price quote: Airfix Bloody Paralyser (HP 0/400) and Novo Vimy
Message-ID: <3585BD37.6723@ricochet.net>

GRBroman@aol.com wrote:
> it appears that I have the parts you need.  Could
> you send the part numbers so I can confirm?

Hooray! I'm missing exhaust #105, and if you'll not be needing it, I
could use inner engine strut #113.
 
> > I have Bowyers book downstairs.

What's the title of this one? I may cosider buying a copy.

> 
> The best reference on 0/100's is Chaz Bowyers book on the Handley Page
> .  If you don't have access to it, let me know what your are specifically looking for and I can hopefuly provide some answers. 

Thanks. I found a a few paragraphs in one of the the Phoebus books, but
IIRC, they have the 0/100 bombing Constantinople...

I'm just going to have to track down the Bowyesrs book to look at.

Thanks a bunch,

Riordan

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Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 08:52:17 +0100
From: Graham Nash <graham.nash@citicorp.com>
To: wwi
Subject: Re: Be Careful what you wish(ed) for!!!
Message-ID: <199806160752.AA07872@egate2.citicorp.com>

mbittner@juno.com wrote:
> 
> On Mon, 15 Jun 1998 10:01:21 -0400 Graham Nash <graham.nash@citicorp.com>
> writes:
> 
> >With a few spare moments on my hands, I thoiught I'd see what Father
> >Christmas did for all us modellers since the 1996 'wish list' was put
> >together.
> 
> <snip>
> 
> Thanks for the list!  I only have one correction:
> 
> >Fokker Dr.I            1/72nd  Revell/Airfix   2       Passchendale=20
> 
> Isn't Paashendale doing the D.II conversion?  I don't think Paaschendale
> is coming out with a 1/72nd Dr.I.  I *know* Hawkeye Models is coming out
> with one.
> 

Trust Matt to spot my one deliberate mistake, the Fok Dr.I is being
produced by Fort Duquesne (a.k.a Steve Hustad).

Consider yourself the winner of a no-prize :^)

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Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 19:52:08 +1200
From: Aidrian Bridgeman-Sutton <Aidrian.BS@ConnectorSystems.co.nz>
To: wwi
Subject: Re: an appeal to all engineers...
Message-ID: <199806160752.TAA07041@smtp2.ihug.co.nz>


>From our beloved brother Ern
>
>The problem is that I don't have any references that say,"cut (X) this
>long from size (Y) strip", or "assemble in this order..."
>How do others deal with this to make things easier? Are there some
>engineering rules, or tricks that would help? Do I just need to start
>getting a greater variety of precision measuring tools? HELP!!!

It's well worth investing in a set of vernier calipers for this type of
work. Don't rush out and buy a super-duper set for modelling unless you also
do machining that requires 0.00O1" resolution. The set I have are by
Mitutoyo, and cost something like the equivalent of $US25-30. This will do
inside outside and depth measurements. There are some relatively cheap and
cheerful dial-calipers around made out of some form of high-grade plastic
that might suffice for modelling work, but yer get's what yer pay's for.


Aidrian
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*	Connector Systems Ltd, Christchurch NZ			*
*	Ph 03 366-7839, 02175924(mobile), 03 355 3341(Pte)	*
*	Fax 03 3667847					*
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Any opinions expressed are my own fault.


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Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 09:40:38 -0700
From: "Sandy Adam" <cbbs@almac.co.uk>
To: "AAA - WW1 Group" <wwi>
Subject: Eduard Nie 17 lands!
Message-ID: <199806160841.JAA04737@beryl.sol.co.uk>

Came through post this morning courtesy of Aeroclub. 10.75GBP - excellent
value.
You get two sprues of grey plastic (darker than Tripehound / Alb), a
single, nicely thin, wraparound windscreen, a sheet of very thin looking
transfers (made in Poland!) and instructions for building either of two of
Guynemer's machines - 1530 or 1531. One all silver, the other with
camouflaged wing uppers. No metal, no resin but all the mouldings are very
sharp so unlikely to miss this - apart maybe from the engine which is
slightly undernourished (very, very slight criticism though).
I have not seen better wing rib representation, and trailing edges are
paper thin. Comprehensive bits and some nice touches - a cone de
penetration - no less! Instructions show two cowlings on sprue - but you
only get one in this release. The other presumably will come with RFC or
later Nie 17 release. Pity - can always do with a spare cowling (Blue Max
Camel etc)
Transfers look excellent, but may require great care in applying as they
are ultra thin. Include little silver strips for strut tapes ("V"s for the
front leg even) and a "Vieux Charles" pennant to hang from 1531's strut -
quite how well this will work I haven't thought out yet bit I'm sure it'll
need to be mounted on some thin flexible material.

In deference to Shane's tirade about checking kits against plans I'm not
going to say a word about accuracy, except that I'm quite happy without
having actually put it against a Datafile or whatever.

After defending 20-25GBP as a reasonable price for a 1/48 kit - I have to
say the Eduard Nie17 is terrific value - and conversion potential to 21,
24, 27, Triplane etc wow!
Sorry Matt you've just been ousted as the Nr1 Nieuport freak!
Sandy

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Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 04:50:41 -0500
From: mbittner@juno.com
To: wwi
Subject: Re: Eduard Nie 17 lands!
Message-ID: <19980616.045043.-218943.1.mbittner@juno.com>

On Tue, 16 Jun 1998 04:44:26 -0400 "Sandy Adam" <cbbs@almac.co.uk>
writes:

>Sorry Matt you've just been ousted as the Nr1 Nieuport freak!

S'ok.  Here's what I was thinking, though.  Either Rosemont or
Paaschendale come out with a boat-load of conversions for this.  You need
new fuselage and maybe a top wing for a Nie.11/16 (actually, you could
get away *without* the top wing, and just chop and sand like the Revell
offering); the same cowl for the Nie.11/16 to make a Nie.21; new fuselage
to make a Nie.17bis; new fuselage and wing to make a Nie.24bis; new
fuselage, top wing and tail to make a Nie.24; new fuselage, top wing,
tail and cowl to make a Nie.25; new fuselage, top wing, tail, cowl and
undercarriage for a Nie.27.

Then there's the SSW D.I...and that Euler thingie...

Actually I may have to buy one or two, just because it is a Nieuport. :-)


Matt Bittner

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Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 02:59:30 -0700
From: Bob Pearson <bpearson@kaien.com>
To: WW1 Mailing list <wwi>
Subject: Methuen scans
Message-ID: <09593058910949@KAIEN.COM>


Greetings all,

The last of the colour pages went out over the weekend, so if you haven't
gotten them all - and I know some of you haven't as I have had more messages
saying mail from me is being refused - let me know and we can work something
else out.

The same goes for the page maps, I sent the first of these last night and
have had a couple of messages also saying they were refused.

Regards,
        Bob Pearson

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Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 05:02:28 -0500
From: mbittner@juno.com
To: wwi
Subject: Small Scale Mk.I
Message-ID: <19980616.050232.-218943.2.mbittner@juno.com>

I just found this site, thanks to r.m.s.  The web author/modeler has two
excellent pictures of a Mk.I Female conversion he has done.  Check it out
at:

http://user.tninet.se/~mfr234t/72scale/armour.htm


Matt Bittner

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Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 05:03:47 -0500
From: mbittner@juno.com
To: wwi
Subject: Re: Eduard Nie 17 lands!
Message-ID: <19980616.051531.-218943.3.mbittner@juno.com>

On Tue, 16 Jun 1998 05:50:13 -0400 mbittner@juno.com writes:

>Then there's the SSW D.I...and that Euler thingie...

Whoops!  I forgot about the easiest conversion of all:  A Nieuport 23! 
Just cant the gun to starboard, and voila!  a Nie.23!


Matt Bittner

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Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 12:47:46 +0200
From: Maciej Szymanski <mszyman@ibch.poznan.pl>
To: wwi
Subject: Re: Be Careful what you wish(ed) for!!!
Message-ID: <35864D52.8F4594E1@ibch.poznan.pl>

Hello,


Graham Nash wrote:

> Renault Ft.17           1/35th  N/A             1       ?=20

A month ago, RPM from Poland issued Ft.17 (FT-31 / PzKpfw 730 (f)).
Price in Poland around $15.
I have not seen the moulds so I can't comment on the quality/accuracy.

Regards,

Maciej

-- 
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Maciej Szymanski
Poznan, Poland
mszyman@ibch.poznan.pl
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Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 06:55:30 -0700
From: Charles Hart <hartc@spot.colorado.edu>
To: wwi
Subject: Re: Eduard Nie 17 lands!
Message-ID: <l03102800b1ac29842a4d@[128.138.153.98]>

Sandy wrote:


>Came through post this morning courtesy of Aeroclub. 10.75GBP - excellent
>value.
>You get two sprues of grey plastic (darker than Tripehound / Alb), a
>single, nicely thin, wraparound windscreen, a sheet of very thin looking
>transfers (made in Poland!) and instructions for building either of two of
>Guynemer's machines - 1530 or 1531. One all silver, the other with
>camouflaged wing uppers. No metal, no resin but all the mouldings are very

     You mean this is an Eduard kit with NO PE parts ??   A curious
omission in my view.

Charles

hartc@spot.colorado.edu



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Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 08:01:58 -0500
From: Ernest Thomas <ethomas6@bellsouth.net>
To: wwi
Subject: Re: Eduard Nie 17 lands!
Message-ID: <35866CC6.373C@bellsouth.net>

Charles Hart wrote:

>      You mean this is an Eduard kit with NO PE parts ??   A curious
> omission in my view.

Yes! Where's the PE?
E.
And what's 10.75gbp come out to in US$'s?

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Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 08:12:51 -0500
From: Bill Bacon <wbacon@netjava.net>
To: wwi
Subject: Re: Methuen scans
Message-ID: <35866F53.412BD74E@netjava.net>

Bob,

All scans have come through beautifully.  Files of a greater size might sink my
shipbut ok so far.  Thanks for your trouble.

Cheers,

Bill B.

Bob Pearson wrote:

> Greetings all,
>
> The last of the colour pages went out over the weekend, so if you haven't
> gotten them all - and I know some of you haven't as I have had more messages
> saying mail from me is being refused - let me know and we can work something
> else out.
>
> The same goes for the page maps, I sent the first of these last night and
> have had a couple of messages also saying they were refused.
>
> Regards,
>         Bob Pearson




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Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 07:21:37 -0700
From: Charles Hart <hartc@spot.colorado.edu>
To: wwi
Subject: Re: Eduard Nie 17 lands!
Message-ID: <l03102802b1ac2fb39e35@[128.138.153.98]>

>Charles Hart wrote:
>
>>      You mean this is an Eduard kit with NO PE parts ??   A curious
>> omission in my view.
>
>Yes! Where's the PE?
>E.
>And what's 10.75gbp come out to in US$'s?

     About US$ 17.50.

Charles

hartc@spot.colorado.edu



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Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 14:28:04 -0700
From: "Sandy Adam" <cbbs@almac.co.uk>
To: <wwi>
Subject: Re: Eduard Nie 17 lands!
Message-ID: <199806161328.OAA14369@beryl.sol.co.uk>

>      You mean this is an Eduard kit with NO PE parts ??   A curious
> omission in my view.
> 
Yup, Charles, I agree but even the control horns are little plastic
mouldings!
About the only thing that is missing, on reflection, is a seatbelt harness
of any sort. It could do with some brass bits for the gun perhaps but I'm
happy to do without them to get good well-nourished plastic (rather than
PE) struts.

I suspect Eduard are now pricing "standard" kits low to catch the general
hobby modeler and then releasing the "profi-packs" with resin, brass, white
metal etc as more profitable lures for the specialist. (Hence "profi")

Sandy
PS., Ernest the Quizzical, 10.75GBP is about 17.50USD. 

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Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 08:31:01 -0500
From: Ernest Thomas <ethomas6@bellsouth.net>
To: wwi
Subject: Re: Eduard Nie 17 lands!
Message-ID: <35867395.5F5F@bellsouth.net>

Charles Hart wrote:

> >And what's 10.75gbp come out to in US$'s?
> 
>      About US$ 17.50.

A bit pricey for no PE, imho. 
I wonder what kind of interior it has.
E.

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Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 15:07:23 -0700
From: "Sandy Adam" <cbbs@almac.co.uk>
To: <wwi>
Subject: Re: Eduard Nie 17 lands!
Message-ID: <199806161408.PAA16248@beryl.sol.co.uk>

> A bit pricey for no PE, imho. 

This is silly - good plastic is better than PE for many things. Whilst it
would have been nice to have maybe a throttle quadrant in PE, IMHO it is
preferable to have most 3-D items well moulded in styrene.

The earlier Eduards were awash with PE, WM, lozenge, pins, tubes, resin....
, but this Nie will make a good model much more easily.  Also IMHO, the
DML/Dragons would all be better without most of their PE bits (apart from
mg jackets).

> I wonder what kind of interior it has.
Subtle interior framework moulded on fuselage sides, good floor, seat etc.
Its exactly what I like in a model - a good accurate basis on which to
start superdetailing rather than having to fill out 2-D PE control grips
etc.
Sandy

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Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 09:19:05 -0500
From: Ernest Thomas <ethomas6@bellsouth.net>
To: wwi
Subject: Re: Eduard Nie 17 lands!
Message-ID: <35867ED9.4C65@bellsouth.net>

Sandy Adam wrote:

> Its exactly what I like in a model - a good accurate basis on which to
> start superdetailing rather than having to fill out 2-D PE control grips
> etc.

Good point, and well said.
E.

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Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 09:26:36 -0500
From: "Paul Schwartzkopf" <PSchwartzkopf@transcrypt.com>
To: wwi
Subject: Re: Eduard Nie 17 lands!
Message-ID: <s5863a5a.065@transcrypt.com>

Sandy states:

>This is silly - good plastic is better than PE for many things. Whilst it
>would have been nice to have maybe a throttle quadrant in PE, IMHO it is
>preferable to have most 3-D items well moulded in styrene.
>Subtle interior framework moulded on fuselage sides, good floor, seat =
etc.
>Its exactly what I like in a model - a good accurate basis on which to
>start superdetailing rather than having to fill out 2-D PE control grips
>etc.

Total agreement.  I would like to see a well-molded kit without any of the =
super-detailing parts.  The companies can always sell this "ala carte"--the=
re is a market for it.  They could put more into the engineering of the =
molds rather than providing these details in every kit.  Then, too, maybe =
more people would get involved with WW1 kits since they would no longer be =
intimidated by *having* to work with PE parts (struts, etc).  Besides, I =
rather enjoy scratch building interior stuff, and the PE takes half the =
fun out of it for me :-)

I will probably pick up at least a couple of these "plastic only" =
Nieuports.

Paul A. Schwartzkopf


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Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 10:33:31 EDT
From: TPTPUMPER@aol.com
To: wwi
Subject: Re: Eduard Nie 17 lands!
Message-ID: <37335ab.3586823c@aol.com>

Hi Guys!

   E the H and Sandy wrote:

> > A bit pricey for no PE, imho. 
>  
>  This is silly - good plastic is better than PE for many things. Whilst it
>  would have been nice to have maybe a throttle quadrant in PE, IMHO it is
>  preferable to have most 3-D items well moulded in styrene.

   I tend to agree with Sandy--plastic is preferable for many things.  I hate
it when kits put in photo-wretch just for the sake of photo-wretch, even
though it adds nothing to the model (and often detracts from the results and
the fun factor).  I'll pay $17.50 for a 1/48 Nieuport, if it's as good as
Sandy reports.  And if I need a photo-etch fix, there's always Tom's
accessories . . .

   Thanks for the review, Sandy!

Have Fun!!

IRA

PS--I'm sure our Mr Karr will back me on this--Robert, can you say "1/32
jets"?  ;^)

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