WWI Digest 1057 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: for those of you w/ my Udet a/c list by Zulis@aol.com 2) Re: IRA's folly (was RE: Pfalz D.XII) by TPTPUMPER@aol.com 3) Re: Pfalz D.XII by TPTPUMPER@aol.com 4) Friedrichshafen question by mbittner@juno.com 5) Hannants by mbittner@juno.com 6) He does finish kits! by mbittner@juno.com 7) Re: Pfalz D.XII by TPTPUMPER@aol.com 8) Woodman 2 scans (members only) by "Tom Werner Hansen" 9) Re: Aviation What-Not has LOTS of WWI content! by "Tom Werner Hansen" 10) Re: Woodman 2 scans (members only) by Carlos Valdes 11) PC10 Stuff by Mike Dicianna 12) Re: PC10 Stuff by Bob Pearson 13) RE: PC10 Stuff by "Chris Banyai-Riepl" 14) Re: Aviation What-Not by Geoff Smith 15) RE: Aviation What-Not by Pedro e Francisca Soares 16) RE: Hannants by infosilver@czechia.com 17) Re: PC10 Stuff by Alberto Rada 18) Re: Aviation What-Not by infosilver@czechia.com 19) Sopwith numbers (was Re: Aviation What-Not) by Bob Pearson 20) Re: He does finish kits! by BStett3770@aol.com 21) Re: He does finish kits! by TPTPUMPER@aol.com 22) RE: Hannants by Joey Valenciano 23) Re: Woodman 2 scans (members only) by "David R.L. Laws" 24) RE: for those of you w/ my Udet a/c list by Shane Weier 25) Re: SVA, (was Re: Whippet) by Ernest Thomas 26) Re: Aviation What-Not by "Sandy Adam" 27) Re: Friedrichshafen question by "Sandy Adam" 28) Rivetting stuff by Aidrian Bridgeman-Sutton 29) Fw: Friedrichshafen Museum glitch by "Sandy Adam" 30) Re: Sopwith numbers by "Andy Kemp" 31) Re: Rivetting stuff by Ernest Thomas ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 7 Jun 1998 09:45:39 EDT From: Zulis@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: for those of you w/ my Udet a/c list Message-ID: <667d37f3.357a9984@aol.com> In a message dated 98-06-07 08:35:28 EDT, you write: << The Bf 109 B-2 racer that Udet flew was D-ISLU, not D-ILSU >> Thanks for the correction, and it is a great list. But I'll bet there are people who never expected to see this phrase posted here in their lifetime.... :-) Dave Z ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Jun 1998 10:50:24 EDT From: TPTPUMPER@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: IRA's folly (was RE: Pfalz D.XII) Message-ID: <11b028e4.357aa8b1@aol.com> In a message dated 6/6/98 7:08:55 PM Central Daylight Time, bpearson@kaien.com writes: > Ira hasn't totally lost it. Whew! Then again maybe he has. After nearly three decades of pumping the silver tubing, there's not much left! I plead igornance! Back into mole mode . . . ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Jun 1998 10:53:45 EDT From: TPTPUMPER@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Pfalz D.XII Message-ID: <44f51e5.357aa97a@aol.com> In a message dated 6/6/98 7:16:39 PM Central Daylight Time, SDW@qld.mim.com.au writes: > STONE HIM , STONE HIM......... Man, like after all these years as a musician, you think I never got stoned? I have scars . . . ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Jun 1998 10:07:33 -0500 From: mbittner@juno.com To: wwi Subject: Friedrichshafen question Message-ID: <19980607.100735.-89869.2.mbittner@juno.com> Our ex-own, Steve Hustad, King of 1/72nd, the Scale of Kings, is looking for any and all references to the Friedrichschafen FF 60 Triplane seaplane. The especially goes to our UTD contacts. He would like plans (the bugger plans on scratchbuilding one!!), but also is looking for other resources, especially those that haven't been published yet (). TIA! Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Jun 1998 10:17:12 -0500 From: mbittner@juno.com To: wwi Subject: Hannants Message-ID: <19980607.101716.-89869.3.mbittner@juno.com> I just saw on Hannants site that the Eduard wrong-scale, but best-subject is out: the Nieuport 17!! Plus, the HR Models correct-scale best-subject Nieuport 11 is out, as well. I would like to get this, but am unsure how it would rate next to the still-not-here-yet Toko Nie.11. Anybody pick this one up yet? Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Jun 1998 10:24:09 -0500 From: mbittner@juno.com To: wwi Subject: He does finish kits! Message-ID: <19980607.102411.-89869.4.mbittner@juno.com> Take a look at Rosemont's site. Under the model photo of the month, is proof positive that Barry actually does build, and - more importantly - finish kits!!! Amazing. Good work, Barry! (BTW, it's a Pegasus Jenny converted into a Canuck version.) Oh, Barry? When are we going to see the Grigorovich? Maybe the same time my Nie.16 is done? :-) Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Jun 1998 11:20:24 EDT From: TPTPUMPER@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Pfalz D.XII Message-ID: In a message dated 6/6/98 11:36:40 PM Central Daylight Time, KarrArt@aol.com writes: > Too late- I think he's already stoned! > Robert K. See? See? There! That's it! duh . . . ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Jun 1998 19:16:23 +0200 From: "Tom Werner Hansen" To: Subject: Woodman 2 scans (members only) Message-ID: <199806071720.TAA29176@d1o211.telia.com> Greetings. Just to say that I've sent the illustrations for Woodman 2 to the list of people who have asked for them. Report back if any trouble. Tom ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Jun 1998 20:44:27 +0200 From: "Tom Werner Hansen" To: Subject: Re: Aviation What-Not has LOTS of WWI content! Message-ID: <199806071842.UAA16149@d1o211.telia.com> Bob, Robert and Chris Lovely work. The Condor review brought back old memories. It still lies unbuilt in its box. Maybe I'll take it out one day. Great PC-10 stuff. Tom ---------- > From: Chris Banyai-Riepl > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Aviation What-Not has LOTS of WWI content! > Date: 06. juni 1998 21:10 > > > Hi folks, > The June Aviation What-Not is up and running, and this month our very own > Bob Pearson has done TWO pages of profiles on aircraft of the Sopwith > Aviation Company. If the thought of PC10 starts you to drool, be sure to > check these out! > > There's some other good stuff, too, but it's not WWI, so I'll just let it be > a surprise. > > Chris > . > ------------------------------------------ > "Study men, not historians." > Harry S. Truman (1884-1972), U.S. democratic politician, president. Quoted > in: Robert H. Ferrell, Off the Record (1980). > ------------------------------------------ > Alga Computer Systems > http://willapabay.org/~herper/ > ------------------------------------------ > Aviation What-Not > http://www.willapabay.org/~herper/aviation > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Jun 1998 09:04:04 -0400 From: Carlos Valdes To: wwi Subject: Re: Woodman 2 scans (members only) Message-ID: <357549C4.5F2E@conted.gatech.edu> Got 'em, Tom. Thanks. Carlos ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 07 Jun 1998 12:29:33 +0000 From: Mike Dicianna To: wwi Subject: PC10 Stuff Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19980607122933.0067a7a0@proaxis.com> Loved the profiles of Sopwith aircraft. Even though I'm building Udet's aircraft, still appreciate the "other side" of this area of the hobby. Ordered a set of Blue Rider "Colorful Pup" decals from Internethobbies.com hope they are quicker than Roll Models. Preordered the Red Baron 1/48 sheet that Aeromaster is putting out...Am I dreaming? ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Jun 1998 12:41:54 -0700 From: Bob Pearson To: WW1 Mailing list Subject: Re: PC10 Stuff Message-ID: <19415402709542@KAIEN.COM> Mike, Thanks for the comments on the Sopwiths. Gee, wouldn't Red Baron decals be just the crosses? Well okay, a few serials and weight tables :-) Bob ---------- > From: Mike Dicianna > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: PC10 Stuff > Date: Sun, 7 Jun 1998 15:32:08 -0400 > > Loved the profiles of Sopwith aircraft. Even though I'm building Udet's > aircraft, still appreciate the "other side" of this area of the hobby. > > Ordered a set of Blue Rider "Colorful Pup" decals from Internethobbies.com > hope they are quicker than Roll Models. Preordered the Red Baron 1/48 sheet > that Aeromaster is putting out...Am I dreaming? > > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Jun 1998 12:43:16 -0700 From: "Chris Banyai-Riepl" To: Subject: RE: PC10 Stuff Message-ID: <002901bd924c$84185980$974ffbce@chrisban> > Gee, wouldn't Red Baron decals be just the crosses? Well okay, a > few serials > and weight tables :-) > Unless they are making a decal for the whole plane with the red color perfectly matched with a fabric sample... ;-) Along with Bob, I want to say thanks for all the comments about this issue of Aviation What-Not. I just hope that we can top it next month! Chris ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Jun 1998 15:55:50 -0400 From: Geoff Smith To: "INTERNET:wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Re: Aviation What-Not Message-ID: <199806071556_MC2-3F77-76BC@compuserve.com> >The June Aviation What-Not is up and running< Chris, Bob & co, Brilliant start to finish..................again. Geoff ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Jun 1998 22:31:55 +0200 From: Pedro e Francisca Soares To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Aviation What-Not Message-ID: <01BD9264.181D4C00@fei1-p4.telepac.pt> -----Original Message----- From: Geoff Smith [SMTP:GeoffSmith@compuserve.com] Sent: Sunday, June 07, 1998 9:59 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Aviation What-Not >The June Aviation What-Not is up and running< Chris, Bob & co, Brilliant start to finish..................again. Geoff Geoff , You don't mine If I underwrite your message, do you? (boy, Sandy must have been looking at the display non-stop since yesterday evening.... ;-) Congratulations guys, for the Excelente trabalho. Pedro ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Jun 98 22:28:10 -01 From: infosilver@czechia.com To: wwi Subject: RE: Hannants Message-ID: On Sun, 7 Jun 1998 11:16:36 -0400 mbittner@juno.com wrote: >I just saw on Hannants site that the Eduard wrong-scale, but best-subject >is out: the Nieuport 17!! > >Plus, the HR Models correct-scale best-subject Nieuport 11 is out, as >well. I would like to get this, but am unsure how it would rate next to >the still-not-here-yet Toko Nie.11. Anybody pick this one up yet? > > >Matt Bittner > Hi all, just to add to above posting: Three new 1/48 WWI kits were released in Czech Republic recently: Eduard Nie.17 'Le Vieux Charles' (no resin) Alb.Dr.I Profi Pack (resin parts) Flashback H.B. W.29 I managed to speak to Hippo owner on Friday and he told me following: he'll be casting no more kits himself. He is going to prepare masters only and Eduard will mold them in short run molds. Kits will have resin details, no idea about decals and PE parts yet. Items to be released: Aviatik 'Berg' D.I & Macchi M-5 rereleases, Etrich Taube, Gotha G.V. No particular order or time of release given. For those modeling in 1/72: Complete lists of Hora (HR), RVHP and Omega WWI items are available at my website: http://www.czechia.com/silverbird Cheers! Ivan Subrt ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 07 Jun 1998 15:44:44 -0400 From: Alberto Rada To: wwi Subject: Re: PC10 Stuff Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980607154444.007b87e0@argonaut.net> APLAUSE, APLAUSE and MORE APLAUSE SALUDOS Alberto ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Jun 98 22:49:47 -01 From: infosilver@czechia.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Aviation What-Not Message-ID: Bob, thanks for scanner info. I've seen your Sopwith profiles on Aviation What-Not page - simply superb (and now all computer generated, am I right?). Thanks to you and Chris. I don't know if I haven't read the text too superficially, but I'd like to ask anyway: can anybody post the complete list of Sopwith fighters designations (Camel = 2F1, Snipe= 7F1, etc.)? Cheers! Ivan Subrt ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Jun 1998 16:37:46 -0700 From: Bob Pearson To: WW1 Mailing list Subject: Sopwith numbers (was Re: Aviation What-Not) Message-ID: <23374690809811@KAIEN.COM> Ivan According to the table of contents in King: Sopwith 1912-1920, the Sopwith fighters are F.1 Camel TF.1 Trench strafing Camel 2F.1 Naval Camel 3F.2 Hippo 3FR.2 Bulldog 5F.1 Dolphin 7F.1 Snipe T.F.2 Salamander 8F.1 Snail And yes the profiles are computer generated. The basic image is done in Adobe Illustrator and then shading is added in Photoshop Regards, Bob Pearson ---------- > From: infosilver@czechia.com > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Re: Aviation What-Not > Date: Sun, 7 Jun 1998 18:41:00 -0400 > > Bob, thanks for scanner info. > > I've seen your Sopwith profiles on Aviation What-Not page - simply superb > (and now all computer generated, am I right?). Thanks to you and Chris. > I don't know if I haven't read the text too superficially, but I'd like > to ask anyway: can anybody post the complete list of Sopwith fighters > designations (Camel = 2F1, Snipe= 7F1, etc.)? > > Cheers! > > Ivan Subrt > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Jun 1998 20:22:48 EDT From: BStett3770@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: He does finish kits! Message-ID: <2c1355c4.357b2ed9@aol.com> I saw that Matt !!! As for the Grigorovich, I'll get back on it as soon as the dust settles at the new store location. ( who am I kidding, how about before 2000 - gives me another 2 years) Keep Modeling Barry Rosemont Hobby ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Jun 1998 21:05:04 EDT From: TPTPUMPER@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: He does finish kits! Message-ID: <493a4be9.357b38c1@aol.com> In a message dated 6/7/98 7:24:41 PM Central Daylight Time, BStett3770@aol.com writes: > how about before 2000 - gives me > another 2 years) Well, about 18 months, give or take . . . Have Fun!! IRA ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1998 08:52:33 +0800 From: Joey Valenciano To: wwi Subject: RE: Hannants Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19980608085233.0070719c@philonline.com.ph> >I managed to speak to Hippo owner on Friday and he told me following: >Items to be released: Etrich Taube, Gotha G.V Wow! Keep us posted.... ********************************************************************* Joey Valenciano WW1 modeller, teacher, jazz musician, joeyval@philonline.com. sitarist Metro-Manila, Philippines "The more you know, the more you don't know." ********************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1998 15:23:48 +0000 From: "David R.L. Laws" To: wwi Subject: Re: Woodman 2 scans (members only) Message-ID: <357C0204.6BFD@webtime.com.au> Tom Mea culpa ? Iv'e missed all the scans for the Woodman article series . Thought you had me down - Any chance of getting back onto the direct list PLEASE !!! DAVID ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 16:10:00 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: wwi Subject: RE: for those of you w/ my Udet a/c list Message-ID: <199806080627.QAA04980@mimmon.mim.com.au> Joey posts: Excommunicate him !!! It's one things hiding these foul words way down a list with a load of proper airplanes at the top, but THIS, This , this..... Words fail me !! >The Bf 109 B-2 racer that Udet flew was D-ISLU, not D-ILSU I'd recommend stoning him too, but as Robert and Bob so clearly opine, it'd be redundant effort on a musician, even (perhaps especially) a sitarist :-) Shane ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1998 03:46:17 -0500 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi Subject: Re: SVA, (was Re: Whippet) Message-ID: <357BA4D9.1A45@bellsouth.net> Matthew Zivich wrote: > > FWIW: there is a tool called a pounce wheel available that is a small > spiked wheel attached to a handle. The spiked wheels come in different > sizes for differences in spacing between the spikes, > and are used for transferring designs, enlarging, etc. Consult your local > art supply dealer. > > Matt Z. Thanks Matt, I've seen those in the Micro-Mark Catalog, but being the cheap-skate I am, I figureed it would be cheaper to just make my own. But if I can find one at the art supply place, I can check it out and decide then w/o having to buy a tool based on a picture. (I hate that). E. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 09:49:19 -0700 From: "Sandy Adam" To: Subject: Re: Aviation What-Not Message-ID: <199806080853.JAA19319@beryl.sol.co.uk> > (boy, Sandy must have been looking at the display non-stop since yesterday evening.... ;-) What?...what? - don't interrupt me - I'm busy looking! Sandy ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 09:48:02 -0700 From: "Sandy Adam" To: Subject: Re: Friedrichshafen question Message-ID: <199806080852.JAA19316@beryl.sol.co.uk> I see the new F'haven Museum is open (there's a wee note in the latest Windsock with details) - maybe they can furnish some help/plans/refs. I drove up the side of Lake Constance last year but didn't think there was anything worth a detour - I must make sure I stop next time! Sandy ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1998 22:08:16 -0700 From: Aidrian Bridgeman-Sutton To: wwi Subject: Rivetting stuff Message-ID: <357CC340.1B77@connectorsystems.co.nz> Folks should have got the rivet and louvre articles now: if I missed you out please drop me a line and I'll send copies on to you. Cheers Aidrian ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 11:14:16 -0700 From: "Sandy Adam" To: "AAA - WW1 Group" Subject: Fw: Friedrichshafen Museum glitch Message-ID: <199806081015.LAA21888@beryl.sol.co.uk> > I see the new F'haven Museum is open (there's a wee note in the latest > Windsock with details) No its not - I'm a tube! Apologies to all and sundry, I checked WS again and my memory was playing tricks - its the Zeppelin Museum at Nordholtz near Wilhelmshaven that just opened - up near Hamburg out in Erskine Childers' "Riddle of the Sands" territory. Sorry Sandy ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 10:23:01 +0100 From: "Andy Kemp" To: Subject: Re: Sopwith numbers Message-ID: <004a01bd92d3$25bf7120$f902e8c3@whatever> >From a lurking nit-picker :-) Add to this list: F.1/I Taper Wing Camel (maybe also doubling as 4F.1?) 2B.2 Rhino 3F.2 Buffalo 2FR.2 Bulldog (not 3FR.2) T.1 Cuckoo B.1 / B.2 (no name ...) FS.1 Camel Floatplane . anyone got any more? For example, what were the 3F.1 and 6F.1 projects?? Andy K >F.1 Camel >TF.1 Trench strafing Camel >2F.1 Naval Camel >3F.2 Hippo >3FR.2 Bulldog >5F.1 Dolphin >7F.1 Snipe >T.F.2 Salamander >8F.1 Snail ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1998 07:37:47 -0500 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi Subject: Re: Rivetting stuff Message-ID: <357BDB1B.4041@bellsouth.net> Aidrian Bridgeman-Sutton wrote: > > Folks should have got the rivet and louvre articles now: if I missed you > out please drop me a line and I'll send copies on to you. > > Cheers > > Aidrian Got it. Thanks. E. ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 1057 **********************