WWI Digest 1055 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Humor Warning - Delete if you like by Bob Pearson 2) Re: Work in progress by "Tom Werner Hansen" 3) Re: Humor Warning - Delete if you like by "Paul Schwartzkopf" 4) Fighting the Flying Circus by aew (Allan Wright) 5) Re: Rivets? by Geoff Smith 6) caproni bomber by "Dr. Phillip Anz-Meador" 7) Re: Work in progress by kevinkim@interlog.com (Kevin & Kimberley Barrett) 8) Re: Whippet and new WW1 Artillery Book by Hogg by "Charles Duckworth" 9) Re: Humor Warning - Delete if you like by TPTPUMPER@aol.com 10) Pfalz D.XII by TPTPUMPER@aol.com 11) Re: Pfalz D.XII by Alberto Rada 12) Re: Pfalz D.XII by "Peter Crow" <888444222@email.msn.com> 13) Re: Pfalz D.XII by KarrArt@aol.com 14) Re: Work in progress by Joey Valenciano 15) Rivets again! by Mike Dicianna 16) Roland C.2, Sierra, construction tips by Joey Valenciano 17) Re: Pfalz D.XII by "Leonard Endy" 18) New Superscale. by John & Allison Cyganowski 19) Re: Miles off topic by "Jim Lyzun" 20) Re: Pfalz D.XII by Carlos Valdes ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 09:08:42 -0700 From: Bob Pearson To: WW1 Mailing list Subject: Re: Humor Warning - Delete if you like Message-ID: <16084242005686@KAIEN.COM> ROTFL ---------- > From: "Denest, Michael J" > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Humor Warning - Delete if you like > Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 11:49:09 -0400 > > Subject: Mars & Venus ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 17:49:06 +0200 From: "Tom Werner Hansen" To: Subject: Re: Work in progress Message-ID: <199806051704.TAA24953@d1o211.telia.com> Rick and Joey Don't keep this one to yourselves. If Joey wants to write it up, share it with the rest of us. Tom ---------- > From: REwing@aol.com > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Re: Work in progress > Date: 05. juni 1998 06:59 > > In a message dated 6/3/98 11:22:56 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > joeyval@philonline.com writes: > > << I'm onto the Sierra Walfisch again. I'm dryfitting the major parts right > now. Does anyone have this kit? I could post a few tips.>> > > I would like some tips. > > << ...I'm fiddling with the Sierra AEG G.IV. If anyone has this one, I could > post some tips about it too. I also discovered a way to make fuselage joins > really strong.>> > > I could use some tips here also. You could post off-list if no one else is > interested. ;^} > I may get to both of these some day... > TIA > -Rick- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Jun 1998 13:14:00 -0500 From: "Paul Schwartzkopf" To: wwi Subject: Re: Humor Warning - Delete if you like Message-ID: Not bad. But did you guys hear about last night's hijacking of a truck = carrying Viagra? It seems that the police are looking for a band of hardened criminals. Paul A. Schwartzkopf ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 14:56:06 -0400 (EDT) From: aew (Allan Wright) To: wwi Subject: Fighting the Flying Circus Message-ID: <199806051856.OAA10591@pease1.sr.unh.edu> Kevin, I got the book you sent - thanks again! -Al (List, sorry for the personal message - lost Kevin's e-mail address) jf: Toko SS-D-III (x2) nb: Pegasus 1/72 Dolphin (Finished decals - only rigging left) nb: ESCI Nieuport 17c (x2) (Need to decal, rig and attach gear) nb: 1/64 Rolls Royce Armoured Car - Sampson's staffcar (Just started) =============================================================================== Allan Wright Jr. | You fell victim to one of the 'classic' blunders! University of New Hampshire+--------------------------------------------------- Research Computing Center | WWI Modeling mailing list: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Internet: aew@unh.edu | WWI Modeling WWW Page: http://pease1.sr.unh.edu =============================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 16:03:30 -0400 From: Geoff Smith To: "INTERNET:wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Re: Rivets? Message-ID: <199806051604_MC2-3F58-E477@compuserve.com> Aidrian, >I'll hunt it out - I think he did an article in the NZMRJ on louvres as >well-if i can't find one I can certainly find the other. I KNOW he'll be grateful and if you can post the issue number, so will I.= >I'm not sure about whether the electro-plating requires a metal part- >could it be done with a plastic part coated with a conductive varnish? >There are products sold for repairing rear window demisters andf Carr's >make a varnish called IIRC Electrofix. = Reason I didn't expand on this is the nature of the job - either painting= a smooth surface and masking for the plating or applying blobs which would obviate the need for the plating and be impossible to do. >> I agree with your assessment of Paul but would add that railway modellers = >> don't come much better anywhere. >You're right -I had the pleasure of seeing his basementful of trains >some years ago it was a humbling experience, but quite inspirational. >Sounds quasi-religious doesn't it? < Probably was, lucky sod. BTW, I was reading (or dreaming) that the FAA Museum at Yeovilton have acquired an original WWI towed lighter that had, till recently been used = as a floating pontoon. = Regards, Geoff ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 17:31:23 -0500 From: "Dr. Phillip Anz-Meador" To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: caproni bomber Message-ID: <01BD90A7.C3228700.panz-meador@vsti.com> someone was interested in capronis specifically a week or so ago. check out this site, a bookseller: http://www.sonic.net/~bstone/articles/ww1.html you'll find "wings in the night" by fitchy. an american pilot details caproni ops. looks like lots of other books of interest as well... their catalog is free (the first one at least, a real bibliotechnical "dime bag") and may be requested from their web page... phillip ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 19:39:11 -0500 From: kevinkim@interlog.com (Kevin & Kimberley Barrett) To: wwi Subject: Re: Work in progress Message-ID: >joeyval@philonline.com writes: > > << ...I'm fiddling with the Sierra AEG G.IV. If anyone has this one, I could >post some tips about it too. I also discovered a way to make fuselage joins >really strong.>> Then Rick answers: > > I could use some tips here also. Me too. Post on list! Kevin Barrett. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 19:37:05 -0500 From: "Charles Duckworth" To: Subject: Re: Whippet and new WW1 Artillery Book by Hogg Message-ID: <199806060034.TAA04810@mail.primary.net> > Charlie, how were the Model Cellar links to work with ? I recently > picked up this kit and was considering replacing the molded tracks > supplie with the kit. > Len Well, I spend what seems now a week putting the tracks together, each was two pieces shoe and back hinged piece that fit into the next link. Sprayed a rust/grey/brown mix over the tops then flipped each one over on drafting tape and did the back. One also has to line the inside of the kit's side frames with a piece of plastic square stock so these new tracks have something to rest on. But it was a great improvement to the rubber links that came with the kit (visions of Airfix/Aurora tack treads from years ago). After gluing on tank went over tops of shoe with Silver 'Rub n' Buff'. Just in the mail today 'Allied Artillery of WWI' by Ian Hogg, Crowood Press ISBN 1-86126-104-7. 200 photos and 224 pages. Covers Field, Heavy, Railway, Coastal artillery, anti-aircraft and ammunition. Got thru Amazon for $24.95 (hardbound). Recommend to anyone interested in the ground war. Hopefully the German/AH book will follow but no mention in the book or DJ. Charlie ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 20:52:25 EDT From: TPTPUMPER@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Humor Warning - Delete if you like Message-ID: <52d3e02c.357892ca@aol.com> Al Gore? He looks like his Viagra went everywhere except where it was supposed to. Jay Leno ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 20:57:06 EDT From: TPTPUMPER@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Pfalz D.XII Message-ID: <5d15402e.357893e3@aol.com> Hi Guys! In reference to the recent thread on Blue Max Pfalz D.XII decals, though I don't have the kit, I came across a rather nice photo of the D.XII port side. Taken from in front of the wing, it shows the fuselage from the rear cabane strut to the fuselage cross, nice and close, so one can see the stencil on the strut, tags on the fuselage, etc. If anyone is interested, I have scanned it and can email it out for the asking (and a smile). Have Fun!! IRA ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Jun 1998 21:08:10 -0400 From: Alberto Rada To: wwi Subject: Re: Pfalz D.XII Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980605210810.008f1850@argonaut.net> Hi Ira I would like to have one Thanks a lot SALUDOS Alberto At 08:59 PM 05-06-98 -0400, you wrote: >Hi Guys! > > In reference to the recent thread on Blue Max Pfalz D.XII decals, though I >don't have the kit, I came across a rather nice photo of the D.XII port side. >Taken from in front of the wing, it shows the fuselage from the rear cabane >strut to the fuselage cross, nice and close, so one can see the stencil on the >strut, tags on the fuselage, etc. If anyone is interested, I have scanned it >and can email it out for the asking (and a smile). > >Have Fun!! > >IRA > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 18:23:18 -0700 From: "Peter Crow" <888444222@email.msn.com> To: Subject: Re: Pfalz D.XII Message-ID: <000c01bd90e9$b456a980$9b16fed0@default> Ira, > In reference to the recent thread on Blue Max Pfalz D.XII decals, though I >don't have the kit, I came across a rather nice photo of the D.XII port side. >Taken from in front of the wing, it shows the fuselage from the rear cabane >strut to the fuselage cross, nice and close, so one can see the stencil on the >strut, tags on the fuselage, etc. If anyone is interested, I have scanned it >and can email it out for the asking (and a smile). I could use the photo.. One of the kits that I have on-going.. and its going a lot better that the DH-2... Peter Crow ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 21:38:50 EDT From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Pfalz D.XII Message-ID: In a message dated 98-06-05 20:57:51 EDT, you write: << I came across a rather nice photo of the D.XII port side....... If anyone is interested, I have scanned it and can email it out for the asking (and a smile). >> Oh pretty please Robert K.( aglow with a big pretty smile) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 06 Jun 1998 11:58:09 +0800 From: Joey Valenciano To: wwi Subject: Re: Work in progress Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19980606115809.00b3d270@philonline.com.ph> >> << ...I'm fiddling with the Sierra AEG G.IV. If anyone has this one, I could >>post some tips about it too. I also discovered a way to make fuselage joins >>really strong.>> > >Then Rick answers: >> >> I could use some tips here also. I'm preparing one posting on the AEG G.IV and another on the Walfisch. The latter will contain more info. ********************************************************************* Joey Valenciano WW1 modeller, teacher, jazz musician, joeyval@philonline.com. sitarist Metro-Manila, Philippines "The more you know, the more you don't know." ********************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Jun 1998 23:18:22 +0000 From: Mike Dicianna To: wwi Subject: Rivets again! Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19980605231822.00674fdc@proaxis.com> Thought I would touch this one again....I have been a Model Railroader for years and remember a technique dicussed years ago. Small drops of glue! Lay out the pattern with dividers or a scale rule. Using a syringe or even a pinhead small drops of either white glue or epoxy (Which does not shrink as much) can be layed on the surface. Takes some experimentation to get uniform size. In the scales we are discussing it would be much easier than N SCALE (1:160). Give it a shot....cheap, fast and easy. 1/48th is sooooo huge! I've been used to .065" to the FOOT! Thanks to Joey for help on UDET PROJECT.... How are Blue Rider Decals? Have the Eduard Sopwith Pup and would like to check out Blue Rider's "Colorful Pup" Sheet.... ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 06 Jun 1998 15:53:58 +0800 From: Joey Valenciano To: wwi Subject: Roland C.2, Sierra, construction tips Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19980606155358.00703f50@philonline.com.ph> Hi all, ><< I'm onto the Sierra Walfisch again. I'm dryfitting the major parts right > now. Does anyone have this kit? I could post a few tips.>> > > I would like some tips. Some time back I decided to try out Sierra vacs. I got the Walfisch, AEG G.IV, HB.29, and Spad A2. I wasn't disappointed. They are all beautiful vacs. But I was hesitant to touch the Spad (looked complicated) and didn't want to paint hex camo for the HB.29 just yet, so I worked on the Walfisch and AEG. I love the quality of Bob Norgen's kits. And the plastic is thick enough to hold it's shape, but thin enough for him to provide some detail on the surface. Tips on the Sierra Walfisch.... ** Removing the megaflash This is an excellent vac. The top and bottom wing halves fit well. I only used sanpaper to grind away the mega flash at the time I made this kit, but I recently tried the advice in the instructions to scrape away the excess plastic with a curved xacto blade. It works great! Less messy (no wet sanding needed), less effort, and faster. What can be done is to scrape away the plastic and remove any uneveness later withe 150 grit sandpaper. When working on the wings, I put the part up against a lamp light to see how evenly thin the part is, you can also test it by flexing it a bit. For the fuselage, I scrape an area and put it up against the light. If a lot of light shines through, then I switch to sandpaper to remove the last bit of plastic. After removing the flash from the wheels, dry fit to check for wheel thickness. I think they look a bit too fat so I sanded them down more. ** Wings I use super glue to glue wing halves together, I fell that it makes for a more rigid wing. The upturned wingtips hold their shape well with super glue. **Fuselage windows Watch out for the windows. Theyre not on the same position on both sides of the fuselage. I sanded the embossed frames away and made new frames in the proper position thus: I have a scribing template (Verlinden). Choose a square w/ rounded edges from the template, it must be the same size as the opening of the window. Scribe this onto a thin sheet of plastic (I use the covers of disposeable plastic drinking cups). Run a marker over the scribed area and lightly sand away the marker, leaving ink in the scribed area. I then chose a larger square (as large as the outside dimensions of the frame) from the template, layed that over the smaller one I scribed, then scribe that onto the plastic. I cut the square out of the plastic sheet, leaving the center "window" area in. I determined where they should go on the fuselage and super glued them on. When dry, I sanded the squares to get them look the right scale thickness, then I removed the inner "window" area first by drilling a hole in the center, then finishing off with files. I glued on those tabs that will help the fuselage halfs fit each other and I opened up the cockpit & observer's positions too. It's amazing how well Sierra's fuselage sides match up. I have a way of preparing the window opening for acetate attachment later on. It sounds crazy but it works. I bent the very tip of a syringe needle 90 degrees. I lay the fuselage on a hard flat surface. Insert a piece of platic about half the fuselage thickness, into the window hole, push it flush against the lower edge of the window. With the bent syringe needle, slowly (VERY SLOWLY) cut a groove into the EDGE of the window. The thin piece of plastic will keep the needle on the center of the edge. Do the same with the upper edge of the window (I think the grooves on my windows are about 1mm deep. Now, when it comes time to add acetate windows, all you need do is cut a piece of acetate a bit longer than the height of the window but exactly as wide as the window opening. Insert the acetate into the upper and lower grooves you cut and you don't even need glue to keep it there! **Interior This plane'e interior is so exposed! Do a good job of detaling the crew positions and enjoy it! The thin vac fuselage makes the interior space look right as well. The Datafile shows that the inner shell of the fuselage had diagonal strips that covered the ply joins. Add these w/ thin plastic. There's a photo in the Datafile that shows fuselage longerons and bulkheads assembled sans fuselage shell. I used that to determine the position of the longerons on the inside of the vac shell, I used plastic strip for this. I also added "longerons" to help position the floor. On my model, I had a .5 x .5 mm square rod strip along the sides of the fuselage, above and below where the floor would go. These strips would then help me keep the floor in position while dry fitting, and would hide any minor floor shape errors where it meets the fuselage shell. The only bulkhead that can be seen is the one between the cockpit and rear gunner. I spent a lot of time contouring and dry fitting this part to fit as snugly as possible with the inside walls of the fuselage, and longerons. When it looked right (remember, this bulkhead slants towards the rear), I cut and filed away at the center, look at the Datafile shot to see how this part was fret sawn. I had no shots down the rear fuselage so I figured there was a solid bulkhead there just like most other a/c. I was able to speed things up here by gluing a thick piece of plastic that does not necessarily follow the shell contour precisely, then adding a more finely shaped thinner (easier to work with) plastic piece on top of that. Made my own cockpit floor and gas tank (didn't use the kit part) an scribe in a trapdoor on the left side of the observer's floor (see underside drawing in Datafile). Made 2 holes in the front area of the observer's position that corresponded to those found in the drawings and photos of the fuselage belly. Added all the little bits and pieces as seen in the Datafile photos. I soldered a control wheel together for the pilot. **Closing up the fuselage Before closing up the fuselage, I cut a slot in the rear for the horiz. tail. The horiz tail location grooves on either side of the rear fuselage are not the same angle. I felt that the groove on the left fuselage looked right so I super glued some plastic strip into the right fuselage groove and sanded it flush. I then cut in the slot for the horiz tail. How to make sure that the tail doesn't dip to the right or left? Alignment is a bit of a problem when working with a rounded fuselage. I'm using the flat area of the gun ring to check for lateral alignment. I first checked to see how level this area was by trapping a thin ruler between the fuselage halves and laying another ruler laterally on the gun ring and seeing if the 2 intersect at a right angle. They did, so I can use the gun ring to check for the lateral alignment of the horiz tail and wings. ** Then nose area The front end of the cowl has to be somewhat flush w/ the spinner of the prop. The rounded edge of the vacform has to be repaired. I cut a disc of .5mm plastic the same size as the diameter of the spinner. I cut away .5mm from the front cowl and super glued the disc on, giving the front end a much cleaner look. I then chopped off the front cowl along the panel vertical panel line so I could work on cutting away the engine hole on the top of the fuselage and fitting the engine. With the front cut away, it was easier to add the vertical cooling slots on this piece. Oh yes, about the prop and spinner. Sierra provides a vac spinner and an injection prop w/ spinner in one piece. What I did was to grind the injection spinner down and use the vac spinner over it. Looks much better. You're supplied w/ an injected engine and exhaust. The ocarina exhaust looks really good but the exhaust outlets are spaced a bit more apart than the engine cylinders so you will have to reposition some of the outlets. ** Dry fitting the top wing One thing you may notice when working with this kit is that the cockpit opening is a bit lower on the right side. It won't be noticeable when the kit is done. But the slot for the top wing is a little low as well. What I did to fit the top wing was to cut away the area on top where the wing fits and cut/sand/file away upper sides of the fuselage until the wing sits flush w/ the top surface of the fuselage and is level laterally as well (be guided by the ruler on the gun ring). I ended up with a space under the right side of the wing where it joins the fuselage. Add shims and sand flush. ------------------ That's all for now, hope this helps. The AEG G.IV tips will come a little later.... ********************************************************************* Joey Valenciano WW1 modeller, teacher, jazz musician, joeyval@philonline.com. sitarist Metro-Manila, Philippines "The more you know, the more you don't know." ********************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 06 Jun 1998 10:19:54 GMT From: "Leonard Endy" To: wwi Subject: Re: Pfalz D.XII Message-ID: <357a1785.534962@legend.firstsaga.com> On Fri, 5 Jun 1998 20:59:40 -0400, you wrote: >Hi Guys! > > In reference to the recent thread on Blue Max Pfalz D.XII decals, though I >don't have the kit, I came across a rather nice photo of the D.XII port side. >Taken from in front of the wing, it shows the fuselage from the rear cabane >strut to the fuselage cross, nice and close, so one can see the stencil on the >strut, tags on the fuselage, etc. If anyone is interested, I have scanned it >and can email it out for the asking (and a smile). > I would like a copy. (He said with a very big smile.) Thanks, Len ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 06 Jun 1998 08:20:46 -0400 From: John & Allison Cyganowski To: wwi Subject: New Superscale. Message-ID: <3579341E.238E@worldnet.att.net> I got my Squadron supplement yesterday. It looks as though there are 4 new 1/48 Albatros Decal sheets? MS-480598 Albatros D.III, Jastas 5 & 28W MS-480599 Albatros D.III, Jastas 10 & 30 MS-480604 Albatros D.V/D.Va,Jasta Boelcke & 14 MS-480605 Albatros D.V, Jastas 5 & 15 What is the story with Jasta 28 W? Who were these guys? Cyg ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 06 Jun 1998 09:47:18 -0400 From: "Jim Lyzun" To: wwi Subject: Re: Miles off topic Message-ID: <35794866.7568@baynet.net> > Modern cockpit colours. > Hi Tom, I'll take a copy of this as well. The German crosses series was an excellent idea. Jim L ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 08:54:30 -0400 From: Carlos Valdes To: wwi Subject: Re: Pfalz D.XII Message-ID: <3573F606.6A21@conted.gatech.edu> > I would like a copy. (He said with a very big smile.) > > Thanks, Same here :-) Carlos ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 1055 **********************