WWI Digest 1046

Topics covered in this issue include:

  1) New Thread: what's on the table - work in progress?
	by "Charles Duckworth" <cnlduckwor@ninenet.com>
  2) Re: New list
	by Aidrian Bridgeman-Sutton <Aidrian.BS@connectorsystems.co.nz>
  3) Re: Felixstowe and H-16
	by "David R.L. Laws" <laws@webtime.com.au>
  4) Re: Felixstowe and H-16
	by Bob Pearson <bpearson@kaien.com>
  5) Re: Felixstowe and H-16
	by Bob Pearson <bpearson@kaien.com>
  6) G-spot
	by KarrArt@aol.com
  7) Re: Since it's only the 4 of us...
	by Ernest Thomas <ethomas6@bellsouth.net>
  8) 'Dawn Patrol Rendezvous' 
	by "John Glaser" <johnglaser@worldnet.att.net>
  9) RE: Macedonian Bogohl?
	by "Dr. Phillip Anz-Meador" <panz-meador@vsti.com>
 10) Re: me me me Gotha
	by KarrArt@aol.com
 11) Re: me me me Gotha
	by KarrArt@aol.com
 12) Re: New Thread: what's on the table - work in progress?
	by KarrArt@aol.com
 13) inShane chant
	by KarrArt@aol.com
 14) Re: Felixstowe and H-16
	by Aidrian Bridgeman-Sutton <Aidrian.BS@connectorsystems.co.nz>
 15) Re: Felixstowe and H-16
	by Bob Pearson <bpearson@kaien.com>
 16) RE: inShane chant
	by Shane Weier <SDW@qld.mim.com.au>
 17) Re: Macedonian Bogohl?
	by mgoodwin@ricochet.net
 18) Re: inShane chant
	by Ernest Thomas <ethomas6@bellsouth.net>
 19) Kit Prices
	by "Sandy Adam" <cbbs@almac.co.uk>
 20) Re: New Thread: what's on the table - work in progress?
	by mbittner@juno.com
 21) Re: Kit Prices
	by mbittner@juno.com
 22) Re: New Thread: what's on the table - work in progress?
	by "Sandy Adam" <cbbs@almac.co.uk>
 23) Re: Kit Prices
	by "Sandy Adam" <cbbs@almac.co.uk>
 24) Re: me me me Gotha
	by "Paul Schwartzkopf" <PSchwartzkopf@transcrypt.com>
 25) Re: Gotha
	by "Charles Duckworth" <cnlduckwor@ninenet.com>
 26) Work In Progress
	by REATON@ccmail.dsccc.com
 27) Woodman scans
	by "Tom Werner Hansen" <tomwerner.hansen@of.telia.no>
 28) A7V Colors
	by aew (Allan Wright)
 29) Re: Woodman scans
	by "Douglas R. Jones" <djones@iex.com>
 30) Re: me me me Gotha
	by KarrArt@aol.com
 31) Re: Gotha
	by KarrArt@aol.com
 32) Re: Kit Prices
	by KarrArt@aol.com
 33) Re: Gotha
	by Bob Pearson <bpearson@kaien.com>

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Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 20:18:43 -0500
From: "Charles Duckworth" <cnlduckwor@ninenet.com>
To: "ww1list" <wwi>
Subject: New Thread: what's on the table - work in progress?
Message-ID: <199806010118.UAA28565@mail.primary.net>

List has been somewhat quiet (summertime activities) just finished cutting
the front yard and was able to clear spray (semi-matt) the decals on my
Aeroclub FE2b.  Used 50/50 mix of Testors Glosscote/Dullcote to get an
eggshell finish.  So far so good, now to gluing the wings and struts
together, decalling looked easier during this stage vs, manhandling the
completed model.  I'm doing a a/c from No. 11 Squadron with the inverted
'V' over the horizonal stripe - kits decals, stripe and homemade
presentation decals came out well although the homemade decals silvered in
the center even through I had them on a high gloss finish and used Champ
decal set.  No too big of a deal as I took my smallest brush and went over
the silvering and managed to get rid of most of it.  Now to finish up the
major areas in the cockpit with paint and then to squaring up the wing
struts to glue up the top wing.  

Also 'finished' my Eduard Pup used the 50/50 eggshell on it and it really
is what I can call completed.       


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Date: Mon, 01 Jun 1998 14:01:13 -0700
From: Aidrian Bridgeman-Sutton <Aidrian.BS@connectorsystems.co.nz>
To: wwi
Subject: Re: New list
Message-ID: <35731699.3583@connectorsystems.co.nz>

Sorry to follow up my own posting, but you might want to kill the full
stop after "golden-age" - the system sees that as part of the address. 

http://www.onelist.com/subscribe.cgi/golden-age

Should get you there

> I don't expect the traffic to be immense, but what the hell- it's free.
> The sign up procedure is a bit different, you do it through the web.
> 
>      http://www.onelist.com/subscribe.cgi/golden-age.
>

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Date: Mon, 01 Jun 1998 10:20:42 +0000
From: "David R.L. Laws" <laws@webtime.com.au>
To: wwi
Subject: Re: Felixstowe and H-16
Message-ID: <35728079.7E50@webtime.com.au>

For those interested Barnes & Noble are doing the Curtiss Flying Boats
by Molson & Shortt on SALE for $12:98 ( That's less 62% folks ) " Also
Under the Guns of the German Aces " $19.98 ( That's less nearly 50 % )
and the " Red Baron's Last Flight " for 14:98 or less $10:00

That's all folks 

DAVID

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Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 19:34:53 -0700
From: Bob Pearson <bpearson@kaien.com>
To: WW1 Mailing list <wwi>
Subject: Re: Felixstowe and H-16
Message-ID: <02345332100483@KAIEN.COM>


What does the Curtiss Flying Boats contain? Is it the large boats or just
the smaller HS-2Ls

Bob

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> From: "David R.L. Laws" <laws@webtime.com.au>
> To: Multiple recipients of list <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
> Subject: Re: Felixstowe and H-16
> Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 22:19:50 -0400
> 
> For those interested Barnes & Noble are doing the Curtiss Flying Boats
> by Molson & Shortt on SALE for $12:98 ( That's less 62% folks ) " Also
> Under the Guns of the German Aces " $19.98 ( That's less nearly 50 % )
> and the " Red Baron's Last Flight " for 14:98 or less $10:00
> 
> That's all folks 
> 
> DAVID


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Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 19:36:49 -0700
From: Bob Pearson <bpearson@kaien.com>
To: WW1 Mailing list <wwi>
Subject: Re: Felixstowe and H-16
Message-ID: <02364941800487@KAIEN.COM>


Just checked with ABE books and it is on the HS boats - drat

Bob

----------
> From: Bob Pearson <bpearson@kaien.com>
> To: WW1 Mailing list <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
> Subject: Re: Felixstowe and H-16
> 
> What does the Curtiss Flying Boats contain? Is it the large boats or just
> the smaller HS-2Ls
> 
> Bob
> 
> ----------
> > From: "David R.L. Laws" <laws@webtime.com.au>
> > To: Multiple recipients of list <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
> > Subject: Re: Felixstowe and H-16
> > Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 22:19:50 -0400
> > 
> > For those interested Barnes & Noble are doing the Curtiss Flying Boats
> > by Molson & Shortt on SALE for $12:98 ( That's less 62% folks ) " Also
> > Under the Guns of the German Aces " $19.98 ( That's less nearly 50 % )
> > and the " Red Baron's Last Flight " for 14:98 or less $10:00
> > 
> > That's all folks 
> > 
> > DAVID
> 


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Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 16:47:23 EDT
From: KarrArt@aol.com
To: wwi
Subject: G-spot
Message-ID: <1ce50699.3571c1dc@aol.com>

In a message dated 98-05-31 12:27:22 EDT, you write:

<<  There was also a book of German bomber photos
 > published in about 1987, part of an Aircraft Archive series or some such,
 
 The librarian wishes he had a copy of this...
 
 Cheers,
 
 Riordan the G-phile
  >>

Are you thinking about  German Bombers of World War One by Alex Imrie
published by Arms and Armor as part of thier Vintage Aviation fotofax series?
'Tis a slim  paperback, not all that great, except on ther back cover there's
a GREAT shot of an up-ended Gotha- the more ones gazes into this pic, the more
one sees.I've got an extra- ya want it? Hoist yer snail-mail address and
before the new millenium, I'll send it.
Robert K.

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Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 15:43:43 -0500
From: Ernest Thomas <ethomas6@bellsouth.net>
To: wwi
Subject: Re: Since it's only the 4 of us...
Message-ID: <3571C0FF.51BD@bellsouth.net>

Dr. Phillip Anz-Meador wrote:
> 
> E:
> 
> i've got an article from air enthusiast (which became air international),
> vol. 1, no. 1, which covers the B.W., with color figures in both black and
> OD/gray.  like a scan?
> 
> phillip

Thanks, but hold off a bit. I sorta bombarded this guy last night with a
whole bunch of stuff that others on the list offered(thanks again guys). 
But if he needs, or wants em, I'll let you know.
E.

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Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 21:51:53 -0500
From: "John Glaser" <johnglaser@worldnet.att.net>
To: "WW1 Mail List" <wwi>
Subject: 'Dawn Patrol Rendezvous' 
Message-ID: <000901bd8d08$3c89cac0$c9026b83@johng-home>

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Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 16:08:21 -0500
From: "Dr. Phillip Anz-Meador" <panz-meador@vsti.com>
To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" <wwi>
Subject: RE: Macedonian Bogohl?
Message-ID: <01BD8CAE.5706BF20.panz-meador@vsti.com>

G-man:

may i check "the sky on fire" out of the library?  i've a couple of juicy 
articles on the HP bombers, the snipe, and trench fighters (including the 
salamander) you might be interested in...

phillip

-----Original Message-----
From:	mgoodwin@ricochet.net [SMTP:mgoodwin@ricochet.net]
Sent:	Sunday, May 31, 1998 11:29 AM
To:	Multiple recipients of list
Subject:	Re: Macedonian Bogohl?

Charles Hart wrote:
>  There is a book on the England raids "The Sky on Fire" by R.
> Fredette, it has been republished a couple of times and is highly
> recommended reading.

The librarian happens to have a paperback of this to loan.

  There was also a book of German bomber photos
> published in about 1987, part of an Aircraft Archive series or some such,

The librarian wishes he had a copy of this...

Cheers,

Riordan the G-phile


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Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 23:47:39 EDT
From: KarrArt@aol.com
To: wwi
Subject: Re: me me me Gotha
Message-ID: <1d0686da.3572245d@aol.com>

In a message dated 98-05-29 18:54:43 EDT, you write:

<< You can't fool me!  That is just some early color photography taken at the
 factory flying field for publicity purposes.  Maybe black and white that
 they hand tinted.
 
 That can't be a model.
 
 Beautiful work.
 
 --Mark Shannon >>

If I were wearing a hat. I'd tip it too you and say '"hank ye kindly" I'm not
wearing a hat, but I'll say it anyway "Thanks ye kindly".
Robert K.

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Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 23:47:43 EDT
From: KarrArt@aol.com
To: wwi
Subject: Re: me me me Gotha
Message-ID: <a6a853db.35722460@aol.com>

In a message dated 98-05-28 20:33:16 EDT, you write:

<< I'm feeling masochistic -
 Any chance of adding in a blow up shot of the
 cockpit - That area looks quite superbly executed >>

Does Masochistic like it?
Getting cockpit shots of this thing almost impossible. What little there is of
this area on the "Special Feature" was done with a small mirror held in front
of the top wing leading edge and tipped slightly downward, the resultant image
reversed in the computer. Unfortunatly, none of 3" tall work force can handle
a camera.
Robert K.

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Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 23:47:33 EDT
From: KarrArt@aol.com
To: wwi
Subject: Re: New Thread: what's on the table - work in progress?
Message-ID: <34391bc6.35722456@aol.com>

In a message dated 98-05-31 22:05:55 EDT, you write:

<< List has been somewhat quiet (summertime activities) just finished cutting
 the front yard  >>

Yep- same here.I sit here broadcasting  yard debris from out my sinus canyons.
 Last week I finished vac-forming the fuselage on my scratch built
-------.Used a homemade cheapo 1/4 ply box and an old shop vac that Monicas
like the day it was new.Wings primed today, strut stock made form bamboo,
dinner almost ready, X-Files in an hour. Later tonight I shall  attempt to
respond to nine new guest-book entries from my site (
http://members.aol.com/karrart         hey- I'm not above a little self
promotion!)One day I WILL catch up on my e-mail.
Robert K.

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Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 23:47:37 EDT
From: KarrArt@aol.com
To: wwi
Subject: inShane chant
Message-ID: <ba9ca5d2.3572245a@aol.com>

In a message dated 98-05-29 23:05:19 EDT, you write:

<< KarrArt@aol.com wrote:
 > 
 > To all who commented on the my new Gotha web-thingy- THANKS!
 > Now, in unison, let us all start chanting " Shane's Brisfit Shane's
Brisfit"
 > Robert K.
 
 
 Shane's Brisfit Shanes Brisfit Shanes Brisfit...
  >>
Thank you
Robert K.

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Date: Mon, 01 Jun 1998 16:42:38 -0700
From: Aidrian Bridgeman-Sutton <Aidrian.BS@connectorsystems.co.nz>
To: wwi
Subject: Re: Felixstowe and H-16
Message-ID: <35733C6E.2342@connectorsystems.co.nz>

Bob Pearson asked
 
> How about the Short 184. Do you have anything beyond the Harleyford
> drawings, Windsock 10/5 cover or Profile booklet?

Nothing immediately to hand sorry. I have a feeling that there maybe
something in an old issue of the Aeroplane that's kicking around.
It may take a while to find - the filing system is a little deficient in
"system".

> BTW when are we going to see photos of your Felixstowe?

I guess when there's something other than a collection of wings hull and
engines. It's now in a state where I could  present it as awork in
progress if there's a demand from the multitudes, since the bulk of the
the various components are presentable. 

A bit more to do on the engines and then <groan> the job of carving two
opposite handed 4 bladed props. Once that is done I can get on with
assembling various bits into the semblance of a flying boat. 

Cheers

Aidrian

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Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 21:48:51 -0700
From: Bob Pearson <bpearson@kaien.com>
To: WW1 Mailing list <wwi>
Subject: Re: Felixstowe and H-16
Message-ID: <04485109800753@KAIEN.COM>


I would like to see it as a work in progress - perhaps it will inspire me to
resume work on my own (or a few more profiles if not). And when it is
completed you could have a site devoted to the Felixstowe :-)

Bob

----------
> Aidrian Bridgeman-Sutton wrote in reply to my query . . . 

> > BTW when are we going to see photos of your Felixstowe?
> 
> I guess when there's something other than a collection of wings hull and
> engines. It's now in a state where I could  present it as awork in
> progress if there's a demand from the multitudes, since the bulk of the
> the various components are presentable. 
> 
> A bit more to do on the engines and then <groan> the job of carving two
> opposite handed 4 bladed props. Once that is done I can get on with
> assembling various bits into the semblance of a flying boat. 
> 
> Cheers
> 
> Aidrian


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Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 15:16:21 +1000
From: Shane Weier <SDW@qld.mim.com.au>
To: wwi
Subject: RE: inShane chant
Message-ID: <199806010531.PAA14894@mimmon.mim.com.au>

Okay guys,

> Shane's Brisfit Shanes Brisfit Shanes Brisfit...

KNOCK IT OFF..... Can't you see I'm concentrating,


Shane

nb.  	Biff  (painting, adding rib tapes at the moment)
	Halb Cl.II  (more bloody rib tapes, only 66% of the size and a
lot more colourful)
nl.	English History, Jon English
nr.	Notre Dame of Paris, Hugo

.....Bloody rib tapes   AUuuuuughhhh...


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Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 22:11:53 -0700
From: mgoodwin@ricochet.net
To: wwi
Subject: Re: Macedonian Bogohl?
Message-ID: <35723819.3666@ricochet.net>

Dr. Phillip Anz-Meador wrote:
> 
> G-man:
> 
> may i check "the sky on fire" out of the library?

But of course. Please post address, in case I don't have it.

>  i've a couple of juicy
> articles on the HP bombers, the snipe, and trench fighters (including >the salamander) you might be interested in...

Deal me in. If they're duplicates of stuff I already have, I'll add 'em
to the list library scrapbooks.

Thanks,

Riordan

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Date: Mon, 01 Jun 1998 00:28:42 -0500
From: Ernest Thomas <ethomas6@bellsouth.net>
To: wwi
Subject: Re: inShane chant
Message-ID: <35723C0A.482A@bellsouth.net>

Shane Weier wrote:

> nr.     Notre Dame of Paris, Hugo

A fine book. The ending would be a hilarious comedy of errors if it
weren't for the fact that everyone dies.

> 
> ....Bloody rib tapes   AUuuuuughhhh...

been there, done that!

btw, your '7 swabs' D-VII looks real nice.

E.

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Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 10:53:27 -0700
From: "Sandy Adam" <cbbs@almac.co.uk>
To: <wwi>
Subject: Kit Prices
Message-ID: <199806010954.KAA25498@beryl.sol.co.uk>

>      Sounds like you did a nice job on this one.  Just think of Shane's
> current dilemma, 3 years on a scratchbuild and nearly finished just as a
> nice (but pricey) kit comes out.

I know it varies depending where you are, but is 20-25GBP expensive for a
good, accurate, 1/48 multi-media kit of a 2-seater?

Seems to me that apart from bargains like Eduard, most 1/48 WW1 limited run
kits cost this sort of money here. You get old reissues of Hawk or Lindberg
and Glencoe/Aurora and Smer/Merit reissues for 10 pounds or less, but most
new kits will cost around 20 pounds

DML kits cost 20-25GBP list and I see Hannants have them back in again at
this sort of price. BM  and Aeroclub the same with the aforementioned
Eduards an honourable exception at 10-15GBP although the Flashbacks are
creeping that price upwards.

US imports such as Tom's resins, Copper State, Kosters are 20-30GBP
(although Sierra vacs are still mostly sub 20 pounds - arguably you get
less content though - no trannies etc).

The kits I think expensive are JMGT (45-55GBP here - same in Francs), the
Hippo Macchi (38GBP) and the Lone Star Junkers J.1 (60GBP). With the very
rare things like Waldo & TC priced on a once-only basis for what are
basically crap kits, needing an awful lot of work.

No, 23.75GBP for a 1/48 Biff or Harry Tate or Fee is, IMHO, good value (and
if you order direct you get them less VAT at 20GBP!)

Now what I DO think expensive are the after-market add-ons. Thank goodness
WW1 is less affected than later periods. I saw a tableful of 1/48 WW2
models at a competition last month with each listing the components used -
the bill for some of these models would have touched or passed 100GBP!!!!!!
I mean, get real, - I see a company (Equipage) asking 7.95GBP for a pair of
B-29 wheels & tyres. Or 20GBP for a pair of floats and a few odds'n sods
(MDC) to make a floatplane Spitfire. I don't care how "cottage" the
industry is, this is just plain daft.

I can't agree a 23.75 Brisfit is expensive (why even the Lewis gun/drums
and 2 props from the kit are sold at almost 4GBP as separate items),
especially when you'll pay a lot more here for a crappy old Aurora one (OK
you'd probably buy the Aurora for reasons other than accuracy - (nostalgia
etc)).

It may be different where you live - but surely a superb kit with choices
of 2 versions and markings is worth 2 sets of (off-register) transfers!
Sandy
(Sorry about the soap-box!)

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Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 05:04:45 -0500
From: mbittner@juno.com
To: wwi
Subject: Re: New Thread: what's on the table - work in progress?
Message-ID: <19980601.050511.4254.0.mbittner@juno.com>

Still working on the "new" wing for the five-year Nie.16.  The original
one I was working one had some problems I thought I could live with, but
I guess deep down I knew I had to replace it.

Also still working away on the Temske Morane-Saulnier Type I.  The
fuselage halves are together, and I am working now on the seam - which it
appears the worse is in the front end, mainly due to me over-sanding in
spots.  Once the seam work is out of the way, then I continue on in the
cockpit by adding all the "cross pieces", including the scratched seat I
made using the Merlin white metal as a guide.

I'm also putting the rib tapes on the port wing; starboard is finished.

I'm thinking of also starting the Toko Snipe when I get it today, but
haven't decided.  I must look at the Datafile first to see if there's a
cool scheme to build.  Oh wait, British.  I guess PC10 is the coolest out
there, eh? :-)


Matt Bittner

nr:  _Ace of Aces_ by Rene Fonck  (hey, with all the French stuff on the
table now, I have to read about the French, don't I? :-))

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Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 05:11:56 -0500
From: mbittner@juno.com
To: wwi
Subject: Re: Kit Prices
Message-ID: <19980601.051156.4254.2.mbittner@juno.com>

On Mon, 1 Jun 1998 05:57:21 -0400 "Sandy Adam" <cbbs@almac.co.uk> writes:

>Seems to me that apart from bargains like Eduard, most 1/48 WW1 
>limited run
>kits cost this sort of money here. You get old reissues of Hawk or 
>Lindberg
>and Glencoe/Aurora and Smer/Merit reissues for 10 pounds or less, but 
>most
>new kits will cost around 20 pounds

Speaking of Eduard, there was an ad from them in the latest IPMS/USA
Journal, and there were a couple of surprises in that ad:  the Nieuport
12 being the biggest surprise, but there was also the Roland C.II (isn't
Blue Max doing one?), an Hanriot HD.1 (ok, that may have been announced
already, but:), and HD.1 on floats.


Matt Bittner

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Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 11:14:57 -0700
From: "Sandy Adam" <cbbs@almac.co.uk>
To: <wwi>
Subject: Re: New Thread: what's on the table - work in progress?
Message-ID: <199806011016.LAA26270@beryl.sol.co.uk>

> I'm thinking of also starting the Toko Snipe when I get it today, but
> haven't decided.  I must look at the Datafile first to see if there's a
> cool scheme to build.  Oh wait, British.  I guess PC10 is the coolest out
> there, eh? :-)

Yes, you lucky man, you said it - PC is the coolest out there!
Sandy

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Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 11:22:14 -0700
From: "Sandy Adam" <cbbs@almac.co.uk>
To: <wwi>
Subject: Re: Kit Prices
Message-ID: <199806011022.LAA26508@beryl.sol.co.uk>

> Speaking of Eduard, there was an ad from them in the latest IPMS/USA
> Journal, and there were a couple of surprises in that ad:  the Nieuport
> 12 being the biggest surprise, but there was also the Roland C.II (isn't
> Blue Max doing one?), an Hanriot HD.1 (ok, that may have been announced
> already, but:), and HD.1 on floats.
> Matt Bittner

HD.2 I think isn't it? - They have been shown on the Hannants web site for
a month or two now - the Italian Hanriot scheme with the stars is
particularly nice - if you haven't looked Matt, do so now - you will
appreciate the 2 or 3 different Nie 17 versions and box top colour schemes.
I haven't heard of a 12 though - I don't believe this, think it must be a
17 misprint. I'm sure the Eduard guy said he was making no more 2-seaters
after his Roland C.II. (Yes another one - the BM is already in the shops
BTW - I've started mine)
Sandy
PS I see you're burning the midnight oil again!

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Date: Mon, 01 Jun 1998 07:45:47 -0500
From: "Paul Schwartzkopf" <PSchwartzkopf@transcrypt.com>
To: wwi
Subject: Re: me me me Gotha
Message-ID: <s5725f90.041@transcrypt.com>

Robert,

Having taken a couple of days off last week, I return and find 150 =
messages, including one about somebody's Gotha. =20

Boy, I hate those people who blow their own horn.  (Especially when it is =
well deserved--very nice job! :-))



Paul A. Schwartzkopf


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Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 09:31:06 -0500
From: "Charles Duckworth" <cnlduckwor@ninenet.com>
To: <wwi>
Subject: Re: Gotha
Message-ID: <199806011429.JAA03214@mail.primary.net>

Robert, beautiful job - how many hours do you think it took?  What's next
(an 'R-plane')?


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Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 10:53:05 -0500
From: REATON@ccmail.dsccc.com
To: <wwi>
Subject: Work In Progress
Message-ID: <0022FD8D.3370@ccmail.dsccc.com>

I am revisiting a couple of kits I've been playing with for some time. I applied
Shane's watercolor
pencil technique to an otherwise boring CDL Meikraft Fokker D-1. Used them to
form rib and
fuselage detail. Not bad for a first attempt I suppose (just stay three feet
away thanks.) The results sure give a new look to the kit.
I had tried the same thing with pencil on a Merlin Ne. 10. Also improved the kit
but harder to work with
and only one color. Why do I punish myself with Merlin and Meikraft kits?

nb. Eyeballing and cleaning up the resin Cz Master Junkers J1 I got from
Hannants on Saturday.
Love that surface detail! First order with Nigel Hannant. Am very pleased with
the results. What a catalog! Did not take that much longer than other mail
orders even getting the kits from UK to
smokey, dry and hot central Texas.

last few builds:
Aeroclub Berg D1
Aeroclub Fokker DVI

Trying to build the Fokker line.
Contact me if you have questions on the above kits.

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Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 17:37:15 +0200
From: "Tom Werner Hansen" <tomwerner.hansen@of.telia.no>
To: <wwi>
Subject: Woodman scans
Message-ID: <199806011618.SAA21634@d1o211.telia.com>

IGreetings all
 am putting together a group list for the ones who have requested scans.
If anybody does not get the group letter that I'm sending out now, means
that they're not on my list. Please come back to me if your name is
missing.

Tom
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Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 12:26:02 -0400 (EDT)
From: aew (Allan Wright)
To: wwi
Subject: A7V Colors
Message-ID: <199806011626.MAA15002@pease1.sr.unh.edu>

Hi All,

   I've just completed assembly and priming of a 1/64 scale German
A7V tank. I'm building it for a friend for use wargaming and I have to
admit to doing shoddy research on this. Does anyone know of a source for
color schemes for this tank, possibly on-line?

   Tanks - thay're not my forte'......

Thanks,
Allan

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Date: Mon, 01 Jun 1998 12:13:18 -0500
From: "Douglas R. Jones" <djones@iex.com>
To: wwi
Subject: Re: Woodman scans
Message-ID: <3.0.32.19980601121316.006c23b8@deimos.tx.iex.com>

At 12:21 PM 6/1/98 -0400, you wrote:
>IGreetings all
> am putting together a group list for the ones who have requested scans.
>If anybody does not get the group letter that I'm sending out now, means
>that they're not on my list. Please come back to me if your name is
>missing.

Add me please.

Thanks,
Doug
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Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 13:38:30 EDT
From: KarrArt@aol.com
To: wwi
Subject: Re: me me me Gotha
Message-ID: <3dab940d.3572e717@aol.com>

In a message dated 98-06-01 09:01:18 EDT, you write:

<< Robert,
 
 Having taken a couple of days off last week, I return and find 150 =
 messages, including one about somebody's Gotha. =20
 
 Boy, I hate those people who blow their own horn.  (Especially when it is =
 well deserved--very nice job! :-))
 
 
 
 Paul A. Schwartzkopf >>

Don't 'ya just hate folks that blow their own horn?
Thaks!
Robert K.



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Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 13:38:29 EDT
From: KarrArt@aol.com
To: wwi
Subject: Re: Gotha
Message-ID: <43678c50.3572e716@aol.com>

In a message dated 98-06-01 10:30:54 EDT, you write:

<< Robert, beautiful job - how many hours do you think it took?  What's next
 (an 'R-plane')?
  >>

Hours?actual building ( this figure changes depending on what I remember at
any given moment) probably 400-500 hours. The drawing maybe 100hours. After
the H-P 0/400, if my wife even catches me within 10 feet of any R-plane
material, I'm afraid she might "react"! She once asked what the "R" stood for
and when I said "riesenflugzeug", she being a German speaker, just sighed and
got a distant look in her eyes.
Robert K.

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Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 13:38:32 EDT
From: KarrArt@aol.com
To: wwi
Subject: Re: Kit Prices
Message-ID: <768f9bc5.3572e719@aol.com>

In a message dated 98-06-01 05:55:21 EDT, you write:

<<  know it varies depending where you are, but is 20-25GBP expensive for a
 good, accurate, 1/48 multi-media kit of a 2-seater?........You get old
reissues of Hawk or Lindberg and Glencoe/Aurora and Smer/Merit reissues for 10
pounds or less, but most new kits will cost around 20 pounds............
 No, 23.75GBP for a 1/48 Biff or Harry Tate or Fee is, IMHO, good value (and
 if you order direct you get them less VAT at 20GBP!)..............
 Now what I DO think expensive are the after-market add-ons. Thank goodness
 WW1 is less affected than later periods. I saw a tableful of 1/48 WW2
 models at a competition last month with each listing the components used -
 the bill for some of these models would have touched or passed 100GBP!!!!!!
 I mean, get real, - I see a company (Equipage) asking 7.95GBP for a pair of
 B-29 wheels & tyres.......... 
 I can't agree a 23.75 Brisfit is expensive (why even the Lewis gun/drums
 and 2 props from the kit are sold at almost 4GBP as separate items),
 especially when you'll pay a lot more here for a crappy old Aurora one (OK
 you'd probably buy the Aurora for reasons other than accuracy - (nostalgia
 etc)).>>

As much as I'm an old coot who gripes and grumbles about the good old days
when I could get a kit for 69 cents US, todays kit prices really aren't that
far out of line.Although there are exceptions- JMGT, some Hasegawa kits here
in the states- on the whole the WW I modeling bunch 't'aint doin' all that
badly.(although I shudder to think what the Lindberg Jenny would cost if it
were a new kit today)
The aftermarket thing gets on my remaining nerve sometimes- I've also seen the
"kits" at the shows that have been dressed up with enough "goodies" to buy 5
of the original model. In many cases, these "goodies" are no better than what
is supplied in the kit. Some resin and brass doo-dads are a great improvement
and even a time saver, but often the use of these items is just because they
can be used.
The "crappy" old Auroras do have the nostalgia aspect for us old coots, but
some of these have the potential to be turned into accurate little gems.( alot
of work will be needed though!)
Robert K.
 
 

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Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 11:33:21 -0700
From: Bob Pearson <bpearson@kaien.com>
To: WW1 Mailing list <wwi>
Subject: Re: Gotha
Message-ID: <18332198402212@KAIEN.COM>


Well there is no 'R' in Felixstowe :-)

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> From: KarrArt@aol.com
> To: Multiple recipients of list <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
> Subject: Re: Gotha
> Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 13:43:30 -0400
> 
> In a message dated 98-06-01 10:30:54 EDT, you write:
> 
> << Robert, beautiful job - how many hours do you think it took?  What's
next
>  (an 'R-plane')?
>   >>
> 
> Hours?actual building ( this figure changes depending on what I remember
at
> any given moment) probably 400-500 hours. The drawing maybe 100hours.
After
> the H-P 0/400, if my wife even catches me within 10 feet of any R-plane
> material, I'm afraid she might "react"! She once asked what the "R" stood
for
> and when I said "riesenflugzeug", she being a German speaker, just sighed
and
> got a distant look in her eyes.
> Robert K.


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