WWI Digest 1045 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) anyone out there by "Steven M. Perry" 2) Re: anyone out there by Zulis@aol.com 3) Re: anyone out there by Bob Pearson 4) Re: anyone out there by Bob Pearson 5) Re: anyone out there by Ernest Thomas 6) Re: anyone out there by Zulis@aol.com 7) Re: anyone out there by Ernest Thomas 8) RE: anyone out there by "Chris Banyai-Riepl" 9) Since it's only the 4 of us... by Ernest Thomas 10) Thanks for the echos by "Steven M. Perry" 11) RE: Since it's only the 4 of us... by "Chris Banyai-Riepl" 12) Re: Since it's only the 4 of us... by Ernest Thomas 13) Re: Since it's only the 4 of us... by Ernest Thomas 14) RE: Since it's only the 4 of us... by "Chris Banyai-Riepl" 15) Re: Since it's only the 4 of us... by Ernest Thomas 16) RE: Since it's only the 4 of us... by "Chris Banyai-Riepl" 17) RE: Since it's only the 4 of us... by "Chris Banyai-Riepl" 18) Good night all, was Re: Since it's only the 4 of us... by Ernest Thomas 19) Re: Felixstowe and H-16 by alfbakk@online.no (Alf Bakken) 20) New 1/48 Flashbacks by "Sandy Adam" 21) Read the address line, dummy by Geoff Smith 22) Re: Read the address line, dummy by Ernest Thomas 23) H-B W.29 by "S.M.Sundberg" 24) Woodman 4 by "Tom Werner Hansen" 25) Re: New 1/48 Flashbacks by mgoodwin@ricochet.net 26) Re: Felixstowe and H-16 by Bob Pearson 27) Streamers by "Steven M. Perry" 28) Re: Macedonian Bogohl? by mgoodwin@ricochet.net 29) Re: New 1/48 Flashbacks by "Lee Mensinger" 30) RE: Since it's only the 4 of us... by "Dr. Phillip Anz-Meador" 31) RE: Felixstowe and H-16 by "Dr. Phillip Anz-Meador" 32) RE: Felixstowe and H-16 by Bob Pearson 33) Re: H-B W.29 by Charles Hart ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 01:04:13 -0400 From: "Steven M. Perry" To: wwi Subject: anyone out there Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19980531010413.00688380@pop.mindspring.com> Anyone there & receiving posts? New software and I'm not sure if it's a problem or just nobody posting Steven Perry smperry@mindspring.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 01:11:33 EDT From: Zulis@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: anyone out there Message-ID: <959e6962.3570e686@aol.com> In a message dated 98-05-31 01:09:50 EDT, Steve Perry wrote: << Anyone there & receiving posts? New software and I'm not sure if it's a problem or just nobody posting >> You came through loud and clear.... everyone is just out having fun on a Saturday night. :-) Dave Zulis ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 May 1998 22:18:11 -0700 From: Bob Pearson To: WW1 Mailing list Subject: Re: anyone out there Message-ID: <05181133965071@KAIEN.COM> Nah, everyone's just quiet tonight. Bob ---------- > From: "Steven M. Perry" > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: anyone out there > Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 01:11:42 -0400 > > Anyone there & receiving posts? New software and I'm not sure if it's a > problem or just nobody posting > Steven Perry > smperry@mindspring.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 May 1998 22:19:33 -0700 From: Bob Pearson To: WW1 Mailing list Subject: Re: anyone out there Message-ID: <05193383765072@KAIEN.COM> So why are we home then? ---------- > From: Zulis@aol.com > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Re: anyone out there > Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 01:15:24 -0400 > > In a message dated 98-05-31 01:09:50 EDT, Steve Perry wrote: > > << Anyone there & receiving posts? New software and I'm not sure if it's a > problem or just nobody posting >> > > You came through loud and clear.... everyone is just out having fun on a > Saturday night. :-) > > Dave Zulis ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 00:16:43 -0500 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi Subject: Re: anyone out there Message-ID: <3570E7BB.3CC3@bellsouth.net> Bob Pearson wrote: > > Nah, everyone's just quiet tonight. > > Bob > > ---------- > I was starting to worry that everyone had a life, except for me. E. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 01:20:02 EDT From: Zulis@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: anyone out there Message-ID: In a message dated 98-05-31 01:16:48 EDT, Bob wrote:: << So why are we home then? >> Speaking only for myself, of course.... no life at all! Actually, it is after 1 am here.... nice quiet time to wander around in cyberspace. Checking out that DVII site. Very nice, but I think the "Latvian" crashed DVII he shows is actually Lithuanian... I'll have to let him know. Dave Z ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 00:20:29 -0500 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi Subject: Re: anyone out there Message-ID: <3570E89D.19A1@bellsouth.net> Bob Pearson wrote: > > So why are we home then? > Because I'm married with children. da da daa da, da da daa da... and my wife won't let me have a Japanese girlfriend. Maybe I'll get one for fathers day. E. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 May 1998 22:21:47 -0700 From: "Chris Banyai-Riepl" To: Subject: RE: anyone out there Message-ID: <000101bd8c54$01fde580$a84ffbce@chrisban> Because we know better? > > So why are we home then? > > ---------- > > From: Zulis@aol.com > > To: Multiple recipients of list > > Subject: Re: anyone out there > > Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 01:15:24 -0400 > > > > In a message dated 98-05-31 01:09:50 EDT, Steve Perry wrote: > > > > << Anyone there & receiving posts? New software and I'm not > sure if it's a > > problem or just nobody posting >> > > > > You came through loud and clear.... everyone is just out having fun on a > > Saturday night. :-) > > > > Dave Zulis > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 00:25:28 -0500 From: Ernest Thomas To: multiple recipients of list Subject: Since it's only the 4 of us... Message-ID: <3570E9C8.7293@bellsouth.net> Hey guys, I'm trying to recruit a young off-topic modeler to the list and maybe get us a convert. Anybody know the answer to this question? > Right now I am building the monogram 1/48 P-61 I am now just > finishing with the cockpit. I just added a True Details photoech > interior and it looks nice for my first project with photoech parts. > Right now I want to track down some Europen theater decals for it, > because I want mine to be a little different from others. Also the > instructions are a little confusing, for the same plane it shows it with > and without invasion stripes, and with and without a top turret, and a > different paint scheme, all for te same decal markings! I just dont > understand this one. Contact me off list if you have an answer, or on list if you like. I don't care. It's only us, right? E. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 01:30:36 -0400 From: "Steven M. Perry" To: wwi Subject: Thanks for the echos Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19980531013036.0068d4cc@pop.mindspring.com> Having just switched software, I unsubscribed and then resubscribed so I was getting antsy wondering if it was working. Thanks for the confirmations. Now I know it works, the computer that is :-) sp ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 May 1998 22:36:01 -0700 From: "Chris Banyai-Riepl" To: Subject: RE: Since it's only the 4 of us... Message-ID: <000401bd8c55$ff00e740$a84ffbce@chrisban> Hi Ernest, I have an article on the Black Widow out of Combat Aircraft, Nov. '97, that I could scan in for you, if that would help. It's all on European operations, and there are three pictures of the same plane showing both sides. It could be exactly what he's looking for. Chris > -----Original Message----- > From: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu [mailto:wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu]On Behalf Of > Ernest Thomas > Sent: Saturday, May 30, 1998 9:31 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Since it's only the 4 of us... > > > Hey guys, > > I'm trying to recruit a young off-topic modeler to the list and maybe > get us a convert. Anybody know the answer to this question? > > > Right now I am building the monogram 1/48 P-61 I am now just > > finishing with the cockpit. I just added a True Details photoech > > interior and it looks nice for my first project with photoech parts. > > Right now I want to track down some Europen theater decals for it, > > because I want mine to be a little different from others. Also the > > instructions are a little confusing, for the same plane it shows it with > > and without invasion stripes, and with and without a top turret, and a > > different paint scheme, all for te same decal markings! I just dont > > understand this one. > > Contact me off list if you have an answer, or on list if you like. I > don't care. It's only us, right? > E. > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 00:45:18 -0500 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi Subject: Re: Since it's only the 4 of us... Message-ID: <3570EE6E.5EE@bellsouth.net> Chris Banyai-Riepl wrote: > > Hi Ernest, > > I have an article on the Black Widow out of Combat Aircraft, Nov. '97, that > I could scan in for you, if that would help. It's all on European > operations, and there are three pictures of the same plane showing both > sides. It could be exactly what he's looking for. > > Chris > That sounds good. I'll see if that will help him out and let you know. Just so you don't do it for nothing. Thanks. E. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 02:00:18 -0500 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi Subject: Re: Since it's only the 4 of us... Message-ID: <35710002.4570@bellsouth.net> Chris Banyai-Riepl wrote: > > Hi Ernest, > > I have an article on the Black Widow out of Combat Aircraft, Nov. '97, that > I could scan in for you, if that would help. It's all on European > operations, and there are three pictures of the same plane showing both > sides. It could be exactly what he's looking for. > > Chris > Chris, Ok, Go ahead and scan away. Thanks a bunch. E. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 00:06:54 -0700 From: "Chris Banyai-Riepl" To: Subject: RE: Since it's only the 4 of us... Message-ID: <000701bd8c62$b14f74a0$a94ffbce@chrisban> All right! Do you want them big (300dpi) for printing out? I've got space on a server that I could stick them so you could download them. That will probably be faster. Let me know and I'll start them coming. Chris > -----Original Message----- > From: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu [mailto:wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu]On Behalf Of > Ernest Thomas > Sent: Saturday, May 30, 1998 11:06 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Re: Since it's only the 4 of us... > > > Chris Banyai-Riepl wrote: > > > > Hi Ernest, > > > > I have an article on the Black Widow out of Combat Aircraft, > Nov. '97, that > > I could scan in for you, if that would help. It's all on European > > operations, and there are three pictures of the same plane showing both > > sides. It could be exactly what he's looking for. > > > > Chris > > > > Chris, > > Ok, Go ahead and scan away. Thanks a bunch. > E. > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 02:21:55 -0500 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi Subject: Re: Since it's only the 4 of us... Message-ID: <35710513.41E3@bellsouth.net> Chris Banyai-Riepl wrote: > > All right! Do you want them big (300dpi) for printing out? I've got space > on a server that I could stick them so you could download them. That will > probably be faster. Let me know and I'll start them coming. > > Chris I guess that sounds good. But since I don't really need them, why not send them direct to Adam Sheda I'm sure he'll appreciate it. I'll let him know they're comming. E. BTW, He's ready to subscribe. It's only a matter of time before he's a string-bagger. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 00:28:23 -0700 From: "Chris Banyai-Riepl" To: Subject: RE: Since it's only the 4 of us... Message-ID: <000801bd8c65$b161bcc0$a94ffbce@chrisban> > > I guess that sounds good. But since I don't really need them, why not > send them direct to Adam Sheda > I'm sure he'll appreciate it. > I'll let him know they're comming. > E. > BTW, He's ready to subscribe. It's only a matter of time before he's a > string-bagger. > Great! Have him stick another wing on that P-61, paint it red, and off we go! I'll send him a note with where he can grab them from, since it's an awful lot to fill up an email with. Chris ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 00:46:39 -0700 From: "Chris Banyai-Riepl" To: Subject: RE: Since it's only the 4 of us... Message-ID: <000a01bd8c68$3ecdbd00$a94ffbce@chrisban> In case anyone on the list is thinking of straying, and would be interested in this article, too, it's at http://www.avsim.com/mike/profiles/widow There's 7 pages total, each of them around 700-800k in size. They should print out really well. I'll keep them up for a couple of days. Chris ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 03:00:28 -0500 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi Subject: Good night all, was Re: Since it's only the 4 of us... Message-ID: <35710E1C.692F@bellsouth.net> Thanks for the help everybody. It's 2:59 here. Off to bed now. E. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 11:31:38 +0200 (MET DST) From: alfbakk@online.no (Alf Bakken) To: wwi Subject: Re: Felixstowe and H-16 Message-ID: <199805310931.LAA22648@online.no> > >Greetings all, > >I have been given a couple of H-16s to profile for the FMP markings book and >am wondering what differances there are between them and a Felixstowe? Does >anyone have a GA of an H-16 (and a H-12 for that matter). > >Regards, > Bob Pearson > > Bob, The book "British Naval Aircraft since 1912" by Owen Thetford (Putnam) has GA's on Curtiss H.4, H.12 and H.16. Alf Bakken ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 10:47:25 -0700 From: "Sandy Adam" To: "AAA - WW1 Group" Subject: New 1/48 Flashbacks Message-ID: <199805310947.KAA28141@beryl.sol.co.uk> Check out Hannants site for new Flashback Fokker E.V in black and yellow wasp stripes - in stock. Still showing picture of new Hansa W29 but no arrivals date yet - also FB version of SS D.III but no pic. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 08:03:42 -0400 From: Geoff Smith To: WWI List Subject: Read the address line, dummy Message-ID: <199805310804_MC2-3EB2-173D@compuserve.com> Hi guys, Whoops, Matt informs me that I posted a private message to the list. Ummm= m, errrr, what can I say? Apologies to Charles and to the list for the mistake. I can only plead stupidity and not being fully back to normal after being under the weather. I harder to in concentrate try must futur= e. (Answers on a postcard to.............) Coughs, splutters and wheezes, Geoff. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 08:54:10 -0500 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi Subject: Re: Read the address line, dummy Message-ID: <35716101.1DD8@bellsouth.net> Geoff Smith wrote: > > Hi guys, > > Whoops, Matt informs me that I posted a private message to the list. Ummm= > m, > errrr, what can I say? Apologies to Charles and to the list for the > mistake. I can only plead stupidity and not being fully back to normal > after being under the weather. I harder to in concentrate try must futur= > e. > (Answers on a postcard to.............) > > Coughs, splutters and wheezes, > > Geoff. NO problem. Life goes on... ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 10:32:39 -0600 From: "S.M.Sundberg" To: wwi Subject: H-B W.29 Message-ID: <35718625.6BED@netins.net> Modeler's Frustrations Syndrome: Just spent about 6 months doing up a 1/48 Sierra W.29. Have a few of the fiddly bits left to apply, all of the painting, decaling done as the prototype "2204" with light sea green fuselage, natural wood floats and struts. I scratchbuilt dollies for display. Used the early brown, blue, lozenge from Americal to cover the wings. I read Rimell's Datafile and he stated that there were pink rib tapes over the earlier darker lozenge. Accordingly, I put an awful lot of time into rib tapes. Now, 1)the recent thread suggests that either there weren't any rib tapes or they were not visible.(I couln't see any in the photos, but who am I to disagree with an expert?). 2) Hannants announces the upcoming Flashback 1/48 H-B W.29. Sigh=85 I guess this on= e goes to the back of the shelf. Maybe I'd better go out to the golf course. Sigh=85 Steve S. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 17:22:21 +0200 From: "Tom Werner Hansen" To: Subject: Woodman 4 Message-ID: <199805311534.RAA14790@d1o211.telia.com> Here's part 4. Still working on the scans, be patient guys. Tom German national markings 1914-1918 Part 4: Naval aircraft, August 1914 to November 1918 by Harry Woodman NAVAL AIRSHIPS IN true naval tradition flew the Imperial Naval Ensign from their sterns and there is at least one picture of an early German naval aircraft flying a miniature ensign from the tail. However, a flag is a most impracticable form of identity for aeroplanes and at the outbreak of war, German naval aircraft carried crosses but with a difference. The German Imperial Navy, like the RN, had an independent spirit and whilst the Army was to some extent dominated by the Prussian military caste the Navy was not and indeed, it was in fact senior to the Army for there was in existence a 'national' German Navy before the formation of the German Empire in 1871. It may be that when the war started in August 1914 some units anticipated the instructions regarding the carrying of crosses as identification markings. However, the first order to this effect was dated September 14 1914 and consisted of an illustration to show the type of marking to be carried by all Naval aircraft. The cross illustrated was straight and elongated, stretching the full length of the bottom wing only (undersurface), presumably so that warships could identify the machines. The instruction also stated that red streamers were to be carried to overcome recognition difficulties. A further order dated November 10 1914 went further and stated that the 'balkenkreuz'was to be carried on the length of the wings (as indicated in the drawing issued h the previous order) and a long red streamer was to be flown from the trailing edges of the lower wings. It would appear that the order was taken very literally by some units for some machines had the long black crosses (see sketch 1) on upper and lower surfaces of th wings. At the same time an elongated cross appeared on the tail surfaces (rudder and/or vertical fin). Whilst the Army machines started the war with the Iron Cross as their marking, the Naval aircraft sported the 'balkenkreuz' which was adapted from the principal feature of the Imperial Naval ensign. The marking instructions applied equally to land and seaplanes. The date on which the Iron Cross was officially adopted by the Navy is unknown to the writer but it was probably in early 1915. Like the Army machines there was a considerable variation in form, and it is assumed that when the Army order was issued in July 1916 some standardisation occurred. The aircraft delivered fresh from the factories would carry the cross in the approved format. The Iron Cross continued as the Naval aircraft marking until about June 1918 for at about the same time as the orders for the German Army aircraft cross were being issued, the Navy issued a parallel instruction regarding the crosses to be carried on their machines. The Naval cross was different to the Army cross inasmuch as the vertical and horizontal bars were more substantial. The proportions are shown in sketch 4 where it will be seen that the width of the black stripe (B) is l/6 instead of being 1/8 of the height. The width of the white surrounding stripe remains at 1/4 the width of the black stripe but as the latter is wider, the white stripe is more prominent. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 08:34:21 -0700 From: mgoodwin@ricochet.net To: wwi Subject: Re: New 1/48 Flashbacks Message-ID: <3571787D.6969@ricochet.net> Sandy Adam wrote: > > Check out Hannants site for new Flashback Fokker E.V in black and yellow > wasp stripes - in stock. > Still showing picture of new Hansa W29 but no arrivals date yet - also FB > version of SS D.III but no pic. FB = ? Riordan ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 09:24:11 -0700 From: Bob Pearson To: WW1 Mailing list Subject: Re: Felixstowe and H-16 Message-ID: <16241121865622@KAIEN.COM> > > The book "British Naval Aircraft since 1912" by Owen Thetford (Putnam) > has GA's on Curtiss H.4, H.12 and H.16. > > Alf Bakken > Alf, Any chance of getting scans or xeroxes of these? TIA, Bob Pearson ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 12:18:49 -0400 From: "Steven M. Perry" To: wwi Subject: Streamers Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19980531121849.0068a28c@pop.mindspring.com> Graham: Thanks for posting the Part 4 of the German Markings piece. I'm responding on list because the article raised a question and I was hoping someone might have further knowledge. I'm refering to the streamers attached to the trailing edge of the lower wings. In the W.4 Datafile, they are mentioned and shown as black. The photos of them are said to have been taken in late August of 1916 and are of the prototype (747) on the day it was received from the factory for testing. Was the Nov 10 1914 order later superceeded by a new order or is this another example of red/black on Ortho film conundrum? Thanks Steven Perry ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 09:18:13 -0700 From: mgoodwin@ricochet.net To: wwi Subject: Re: Macedonian Bogohl? Message-ID: <357182C5.5C68@ricochet.net> Charles Hart wrote: > There is a book on the England raids "The Sky on Fire" by R. > Fredette, it has been republished a couple of times and is highly > recommended reading. The librarian happens to have a paperback of this to loan. There was also a book of German bomber photos > published in about 1987, part of an Aircraft Archive series or some such, The librarian wishes he had a copy of this... Cheers, Riordan the G-phile ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 11:37:45 -0500 From: "Lee Mensinger" To: wwi, mgoodwin@ricochet.net Subject: Re: New 1/48 Flashbacks Message-ID: <35718759.86F49FDE@wireweb.net> mgoodwin@ricochet.net wrote: > Sandy Adam wrote: > > > > Check out Hannants site for new Flashback Fokker E.V in black and > yellow > > wasp stripes - in stock. > > Still showing picture of new Hansa W29 but no arrivals date yet - > also FB > > version of SS D.III but no pic. > > FB = ? > > Riordan FLASHBACK. Lee ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 13:36:14 -0500 From: "Dr. Phillip Anz-Meador" To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Since it's only the 4 of us... Message-ID: <01BD8C99.16A2E0E0.panz-meador@vsti.com> E: i've got an article from air enthusiast (which became air international), vol. 1, no. 1, which covers the B.W., with color figures in both black and OD/gray. like a scan? phillip -----Original Message----- From: Ernest Thomas [SMTP:ethomas6@bellsouth.net] Sent: Sunday, May 31, 1998 12:31 AM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Since it's only the 4 of us... Hey guys, I'm trying to recruit a young off-topic modeler to the list and maybe get us a convert. Anybody know the answer to this question? > Right now I am building the monogram 1/48 P-61 I am now just > finishing with the cockpit. I just added a True Details photoech > interior and it looks nice for my first project with photoech parts. > Right now I want to track down some Europen theater decals for it, > because I want mine to be a little different from others. Also the > instructions are a little confusing, for the same plane it shows it with > and without invasion stripes, and with and without a top turret, and a > different paint scheme, all for te same decal markings! I just dont > understand this one. Contact me off list if you have an answer, or on list if you like. I don't care. It's only us, right? E. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 13:44:44 -0500 From: "Dr. Phillip Anz-Meador" To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Felixstowe and H-16 Message-ID: <01BD8C9A.45984060.panz-meador@vsti.com> bob: i've come across both the mcmillans book on flying boats and putnam's (naval institute press imprint) "US naval aircraft"; both have pics, drawings, data, and text on the curtiss boats, the the former has a comparative view of the curtiss vs. felixstowe on the same page, making the hull changes readily apparent. like a scan? phillip -----Original Message----- From: Bob Pearson [SMTP:bpearson@kaien.com] Sent: Sunday, May 31, 1998 11:24 AM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Felixstowe and H-16 > > The book "British Naval Aircraft since 1912" by Owen Thetford (Putnam) > has GA's on Curtiss H.4, H.12 and H.16. > > Alf Bakken > Alf, Any chance of getting scans or xeroxes of these? TIA, Bob Pearson ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 11:50:38 -0700 From: Bob Pearson To: WW1 Mailing list Subject: RE: Felixstowe and H-16 Message-ID: <18503813365803@KAIEN.COM> Please :-) ---------- > From: "Dr. Phillip Anz-Meador" > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: RE: Felixstowe and H-16 > Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 14:43:22 -0400 > > bob: i've come across both the mcmillans book on flying boats and putnam's > (naval institute press imprint) "US naval aircraft"; both have pics, > drawings, data, and text on the curtiss boats, the the former has a > comparative view of the curtiss vs. felixstowe on the same page, making the > hull changes readily apparent. > > like a scan? > > phillip > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bob Pearson [SMTP:bpearson@kaien.com] > Sent: Sunday, May 31, 1998 11:24 AM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Re: Felixstowe and H-16 > > > > > > > The book "British Naval Aircraft since 1912" by Owen Thetford (Putnam) > > has GA's on Curtiss H.4, H.12 and H.16. > > > > Alf Bakken > > > > Alf, > > Any chance of getting scans or xeroxes of these? > > TIA, > Bob Pearson > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 14:12:51 -0700 From: Charles Hart To: wwi Subject: Re: H-B W.29 Message-ID: >Modeler's Frustrations Syndrome: Just spent about 6 months doing up a >1/48 Sierra W.29. Have a few of the fiddly bits left to apply, all of >the painting, decaling done as the prototype "2204" with light sea green >fuselage, natural wood floats and struts. I scratchbuilt dollies for >display. Used the early brown, blue, lozenge from Americal to cover the >wings. I read Rimell's Datafile and he stated that there were pink rib >tapes over the earlier darker lozenge. Accordingly, I put an awful lot >of time into rib tapes. Now, 1)the recent thread suggests that either >there weren't any rib tapes or they were not visible.(I couln't see any >in the photos, but who am I to disagree with an expert?). There were definitely rib tapes on this fabric, but the colors/material are uncertain, since these don't stand out too well in the photos I have seen. The stitching that held the ribs to the fabric had to be covered in some way. Check photos for a/c finish details. Rimell has an opinion on this just like the rest of us. 2) Hannants >announces the upcoming Flashback 1/48 H-B W.29. Sigh=85 I guess this on= >e >goes to the back of the shelf. Maybe I'd better go out to the golf >course. Sigh=85 > >Steve S. Sounds like you did a nice job on this one. Just think of Shane's current dilemma, 3 years on a scratchbuild and nearly finished just as a nice (but pricey) kit comes out. Charles hartc@spot.colorado.edu ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 1045 **********************