WWI Digest 1035 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Breguet 14A2 by Suvoroff 2) Re: Ludendorf's War Memories by Suvoroff 3) Re: Breguet 14A2 by mbittner@juno.com 4) Re: Slightly off-topic - Fairey IIID by David Laws 5) Re: Warspite by David Laws 6) Re: Warspite by Alberto Rada 7) Re: Ludendorf's War Memories by Alberto Rada 8) Your models. was Re: Warspite by Ernest Thomas 9) Re: Aeroclub Fe2B by mgoodwin@ricochet.net 10) Re: Your models. was Re: Warspite by "CHARLES JOHNSON" 11) Re: Your models. was Re: Warspite by mgoodwin@ricochet.net 12) Re: Your models. was Re: Warspite by "CHARLES JOHNSON" 13) Books Available by kevinkim@interlog.com (Kevin & Kimberley Barrett) 14) Re: Books Available by Carlos Valdes 15) Re: the silence - plus combat reports by Bob Pearson 16) Re: the silence - plus combat reports by "Andy Kemp" 17) Re: convention-was Are we filling too many seams? by Mick Fauchon 18) Re: convention-was Are we filling too many seams? by Alberto Rada 19) Re: the silence - plus combat reports by bucky@postoffice.ptd.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) 20) Re: convention-was Are we filling too many seams? by KarrArt 21) Re: Mystery Jasta in Italy by kevinkim@interlog.com (Kevin & Kimberley Barrett) 22) Re: the silence - plus combat reports by Zulis 23) Re: convention-was Are we filling too many seams? by Ernest Thomas 24) Re: the silence - plus combat reports by Ernest Thomas 25) Re: the silence - plus combat reports by Zulis 26) Re: Ludendorf's War Memories by Mick Fauchon 27) Re: the silence - plus combat reports by mgoodwin@ricochet.net 28) Re: the silence - plus combat reports by Ernest Thomas 29) Re: convention-was Are we filling too many seams? by KarrArt ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 24 May 1998 06:43:47 EDT From: Suvoroff To: wwi Subject: Re: Breguet 14A2 Message-ID: <6256ae91.3567f9e4@aol.com> A lead one in 1/144th scale by Mamoli. Yours, James D. Gray ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 May 1998 07:12:37 EDT From: Suvoroff To: wwi Subject: Re: Ludendorf's War Memories Message-ID: You know Ludendorf participated in Adolf Hitler's 1923 Beer Hall Putsch? They were convinced that the police would not fire on the Great War Hero...seems they were wrong. Yours, James D. Gray ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 May 1998 06:31:29 -0500 From: mbittner@juno.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Breguet 14A2 Message-ID: <19980524.063129.8966.0.mbittner@juno.com> On Sun, 24 May 1998 02:04:08 -0400 mgoodwin@ricochet.net writes: >I'm going to hazard a guess that the Wings kit is an A2. Don't >remember >seeing bomb racks on that one in the shop... >Main difference with B2 is lack of Michelin bomb racks extenting from >leading edge of wing...? The major differences - and I'm not sure about the outlines - are the A2 does not have the window for the gunner/observer, and the lower wing doesn't have the drooping "flaps", for lack of a better term. Matt Bittner _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 May 1904 22:12:12 +0000 From: David Laws To: wwi Subject: Re: Slightly off-topic - Fairey IIID Message-ID: <849FF739.6423@webtime.com.au> Pedro I admire you taste ! If I can help with any details required on the IIID please let me know - You have my Snail and E-mail addresses DAVID ( R.L. LAWS ) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 May 1904 22:21:00 +0000 From: David Laws To: wwi Subject: Re: Warspite Message-ID: <849FF948.738F@webtime.com.au> Aidrian Bridgeman-Sutton wrote: > > She was scrapped where she lay in the end - the breakers came to her > instead. AND to put a STOPPER OVERALL - The loss spawned a terribly expensive case in the Courts over an issue of alleged non-disclosure as to the seaworthiness of the vessel ... The Insurers lost the case and had to pay. DAVID ( now removing wig ) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 May 1998 10:46:35 -0400 From: Alberto Rada To: wwi Subject: Re: Warspite Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980524104635.008bfbe0@argonaut.net> Hi Sandy Just as you named the Belfast, on my recent trip to London, I paid it a visit, and took some photos, its pretty well preserved, and they have done a good job with audio visual effects that send you back to the Battle of the North Cape. Rob Mackie and I have put the info and photos together into a Photo Tour, in Warships page, http://warship.simplenet.com/ And you are absolutely right, it would have been nice to have one of the carriers moored at her side. SALUDOS Alberto At 06:29 AM 24-05-98 -0400, you wrote: >> Ran aground off Cornwall after losing her tow on the way to the breakers >> - I wasn't aware that there were lives lost though >> She was scrapped where she lay in the end - the breakers came to her >> instead. >Thanks for the info Aidrian - I can't remember the memorial exactly but it >may have marked Warspite's grounding whilst remembering RN or Cornish war >dead in general. > >When I started out as a callow computer salesman (Oh yeah?) in the >seventies I remember visiting the RN breakers yard at Rosyth and seeing >chunks of some of the last battleships still there. There were bits of some >KG.V class battleships (Anson, Howe?) and lots of hulks of cruisers and >smaller vessels. The boardroom walls are lined with pictures of the last >voyage of just about every significant RN boat that wasn't sunk - about >twenty carriers at least. >Seems crazy to me that they waited until they only had the Belfast left to >stick on the Thames - surely one of the big carriers with its complement of >aircraft would have been much more exciting. Too little, too late. >Sandy > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 May 1998 10:56:34 -0400 From: Alberto Rada To: wwi Subject: Re: Ludendorf's War Memories Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980524105634.008c03f0@argonaut.net> At 06:30 AM 24-05-98 -0400, you wrote: >Astonishing stuff, Disgusted I understand, but Astonished ? SALUDOS Alberto ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 May 1998 10:30:24 -0500 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi Subject: Your models. was Re: Warspite Message-ID: <35683D10.14C8@bellsouth.net> Alberto, I was looking at your models last night. YOU DA MAN!!!! E. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 May 1998 08:25:57 -0700 From: mgoodwin@ricochet.net To: wwi Subject: Re: Aeroclub Fe2B Message-ID: <35683C05.1A8C@ricochet.net> Sandy Adam wrote: > > Nice model David. > Sandy My hat is off to you as well. Riordan ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 May 1998 11:44:17 -0400 From: "CHARLES JOHNSON" To: Subject: Re: Your models. was Re: Warspite Message-ID: <19980524154535.AAA7951@default> Too All, If you go to WWW.EBAY.COM , which is an online auction, Under toys, sub , games / hobbies , type Aurora in the search box , there are abt 12 old aurora model kits re. WW I 1959 Halb.CL II 1956 Alb D 3 1972 K & B reissue of the DH - 10 A 1956 Sopwith Camel 1956 Fokker D VII 1963 Sopwith Tri Plane 1956 Sopwith Camel 1956 Spad XIII and 1 lot of 4 models Alb D v Neiuport 11 BeBe Sopwith Camel Airco Se5a Enjoy, you have to register to bid on the items Charlie Johnson ---------- > From: Ernest Thomas > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Your models. was Re: Warspite > Date: Sunday, May 24, 1998 11:36 AM > > Alberto, > > I was looking at your models last night. > > YOU DA MAN!!!! > > E. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 May 1998 09:27:02 -0700 From: mgoodwin@ricochet.net To: wwi Subject: Re: Your models. was Re: Warspite Message-ID: <35684A56.2EA9@ricochet.net> CHARLES JOHNSON wrote: > > Too All, > If you go to WWW.EBAY.COM , which is an online auction, Just out of curiosity, what are the chances of getting better than collector's prices at an auction web-site? I'm interested to hear other's experiences and/or opinions. Riordan ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 May 1998 12:48:27 -0400 From: "CHARLES JOHNSON" To: Subject: Re: Your models. was Re: Warspite Message-ID: <19980524165002.AAA9125@default> Riordan. as of this morning the prices were for the following.. Halb CL II $22.50 Alb D3 $20.50 DH -10a $36.00 Sopwith $15.50 Fok.D VII $15.50 Sop Tri $20.00 Sopwith $9.00 Spad $35.00 Lot of 4 $40.00 Some of these auctions will end today ,and others will end in the next few days , you have to keep up with them. every day, go and check it out yourself its free Charlie ---------- > From: mgoodwin@ricochet.net > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Re: Your models. was Re: Warspite > Date: Sunday, May 24, 1998 12:38 PM > > CHARLES JOHNSON wrote: > > > > Too All, > > If you go to WWW.EBAY.COM , which is an online auction, > > Just out of curiosity, what are the chances of getting better than > collector's prices at an auction web-site? I'm interested to hear > other's experiences and/or opinions. > > Riordan ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 May 1998 13:44:26 -0500 From: kevinkim@interlog.com (Kevin & Kimberley Barrett) To: wwi Subject: Books Available Message-ID: Hello List, Took a trip to a used book store today, and picked up some titles for anyone who is interested: 1) Aces & Aircraft of WWI by Christopher Campbell, Blandford Press 1981. 144 pgs. Nice book with bios and colour profiles of 29 pilots and many aircraft. $20. 2) The First War Planes, History of the World Wars Special, Edited by Andrew Kershaw, Marshal Cavendish USA Ltd 1973. 64 pgs, colour. A series of articles with lots of colour renderings by (I believe) John Batchelor. $8. 3) The Blue Max, by Jack Hunter. This is the paperback version of the book that inspired the movie. Now, I happen to like the movie better, but many list members have stated in the past that they like the book better. To each his own. I'm not selling this one, but I will trade it for a piece of information. I'm still trying to identify a line up of Albatros D.III/Vs. The photo appears in two places I know of. The first is "Warplanes and Air Battles of World War I" by Beekman House, 1973. It is the two page spread on pages 60-61. The photo also appears, much smaller, in the Harleyford Fighters book at the bottom of page 187. If you can tell me about the jasta, date, planes, possible colour schemes and/or pilots involved, I'll send you The Blue Max. Not a bad trade if you have the info at hand! Thanks, Kevin Barrett. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 May 1998 04:25:31 -0400 From: Carlos Valdes To: wwi Subject: Re: Books Available Message-ID: <3567D97B.5DBF@conted.gatech.edu> Kevin, The photo you refer to has been identified (somewhere) as depicting a/c of a Jasta operating in Italy. I don't have any other details or a way of verifying that piece of information. HTH. Carlos ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 May 1998 12:54:24 -0700 From: Bob Pearson To: WW1 Mailing list Subject: Re: the silence - plus combat reports Message-ID: <19542432548066@KAIEN.COM> Dave Zulis wrote > I came across a site today where they are selling original combat reports from > WWI. Many of you have probably viewed these already but there is something > about the keywords in this site that allowed it to elude three different > search engines that I was using, so perhaps some of you have missed it as > well. > > http://www.leisuregalleries.com/combatr.html > > Unfortunately, the scans are pretty blurry, but you can make out the general > gist of some of the reports. Actually, I am not sure if the scans are > actually blurry or it is my eyeballs still shaking after reading how much > these reports are being sold for. > Something a little different, This brings up an interesting point about combat reports being held in private hands. Namely how did they get there? As they are official correpondence it would be expected that they would reside in the PRO with other records of the day. But to be in private hands, someone, somewhere down the line would have to have stolen them. This was a connection I hadn't made until it was pointed out to me in Phoenix. I mentioned that a friend of mine has an original C.R. from WG Claxton, and the converstaion then turned to at what point did it leave 'official' hands and go forth to an obliging public. Sure there have been cases of individuals in recent years taking massive amounts of material from the PRO (the infamous TBA Graves for one), but not all C.R.s could have come from these people. So where did they come from? regards, Bob Pearson ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 May 1998 22:45:01 +0100 From: "Andy Kemp" To: Subject: Re: the silence - plus combat reports Message-ID: <00ac01bd875d$667cb8c0$680ee8c3@whatever> Good point Bob! I saw these some time ago, and queried their provenance with the bloke who runs the site. He claimed that these were all legit, actually from the estate of a WW1 pilot. Believe that - I'm sure!!! FYI CCI are currently putting aside a budget each year for buying up these items, and returning them to the PRO - if they don't have a copy. Graves got a lot of stuff from the PRO - but fortunately the grerastest proportion was returned to the PRO when they caught him and searched his house. However, those awfully efficient people from the PRO didn't bother checking too closely which files the goodies came from. Check through half a dozen files and you'll find at least one which has a "sundry document" inserted, which was nicked by Graves, and mis-filed on its return. I've found 17 Sqn USAS combat reports in 45 Sqn, RNAS station records in RFC files etc etc etc. Andy ... >> http://www.leisuregalleries.com/combatr.html >This brings up an interesting point about combat reports being held in >private hands. Namely how did they get there? As they are official >correpondence it would be expected that they would reside in the PRO with >other records of the day. But to be in private hands, someone, somewhere >down the line would have to have stolen them. This was a connection I hadn't >made until it was pointed out to me in Phoenix. I mentioned that a friend of >mine has an original C.R. from WG Claxton, and the converstaion then turned >to at what point did it leave 'official' hands and go forth to an obliging >public. Sure there have been cases of individuals in recent years taking >massive amounts of material from the PRO (the infamous TBA Graves for one), >but not all C.R.s could have come from these people. So where did they come >from? > >regards, > Bob Pearson > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 May 1998 11:31:49 +1000 (EST) From: Mick Fauchon To: wwi Cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: convention-was Are we filling too many seams? Message-ID: Aidrian, > It seems Robert's milk crate had room for two - any one else want to > join us? Absolutely! I'll be glad to clamber up there with you [I promise not to turn the crate into a pulpit 80) ] Being a figure painter myself [mostly 54mm], I have no philosophical objection to adapting methods and techniques from other modellers, or areas of expertise. Mind you, I agree with you both whole- heartedly, there's a big difference between adaption and slavishly following someone elses techniques. Even the great artists were prepared to "borrow" from others' methods. Cheers, Mick. -- -- Mick Fauchon | Internet: ulmjf@dewey.newcastle.edu.au Reference Section, Auchmuty Library | Ph (intl+61+49) 215861 University of Newcastle, AUSTRALIA | Fax (intl+61+49) 215833 MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM M M M Tasmanian Devil: "#@%!&^*%%...!#@!&**%^@@#$#-+*+*&##@...!!" M M M M Yosemite Sam : "Cut out that Army talk!..Yer in the Navy now!" M M M MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 May 1998 21:57:26 -0400 From: Alberto Rada To: wwi Subject: Re: convention-was Are we filling too many seams? Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980524215726.007b84f0@argonaut.net> BRAVO Alberto At 09:35 PM 24-05-98 -0400, you wrote: > > > > Aidrian, > > >> It seems Robert's milk crate had room for two - any one else want to >> join us? > > Absolutely! I'll be glad to clamber up there with you [I promise >not to turn the crate into a pulpit 80) ] > > Being a figure painter myself [mostly 54mm], I have no >philosophical objection to adapting methods and techniques from other >modellers, or areas of expertise. Mind you, I agree with you both whole- >heartedly, there's a big difference between adaption and slavishly following >someone elses techniques. Even the great artists were prepared to "borrow" >from others' methods. > > Cheers, > > Mick. > > > >-- -- >Mick Fauchon | Internet: ulmjf@dewey.newcastle.edu.au >Reference Section, Auchmuty Library | Ph (intl+61+49) 215861 >University of Newcastle, AUSTRALIA | Fax (intl+61+49) 215833 > > MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM > M M > M Tasmanian Devil: "#@%!&^*%%...!#@!&**%^@@#$#-+*+*&##@...!!" M > M M > M Yosemite Sam : "Cut out that Army talk!..Yer in the Navy now!" M > M M > MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM > > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 May 1998 23:12:32 -0400 From: bucky@postoffice.ptd.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) To: wwi, Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: the silence - plus combat reports Message-ID: <199805250312.XAA16798@pease1.sr.unh.edu> At 11:49 PM 5/23/98 -0400, Zulis wrote: > >Speaking of firsts ... I think my next kit will be an Emhar Anatra Anasal DS I >picked up. Dave It was one of the first one's I did after styarting this up again a few years ago. The kit goes together nicely, but I had one hell of a time getting the radiator and all the hoses, etc to work...actually, I never did get all the damn part in there! I got another one recently, but it'll go on the shelf for awhile Mike Muth ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 May 1998 23:44:11 EDT From: KarrArt To: wwi Subject: Re: convention-was Are we filling too many seams? Message-ID: <1fed145b.3568e90c@aol.com> In a message dated 98-05-24 21:33:00 EDT, you write: << It seems Robert's milk crate had room for two - any one else want to > join us? Absolutely! I'll be glad to clamber up there with you [I promise not to turn the crate into a pulpit 80) ] Being a figure painter myself [mostly 54mm], I have no philosophical objection to adapting methods and techniques from other modellers, or areas of expertise. Mind you, I agree with you both whole- heartedly, there's a big difference between adaption and slavishly following someone elses techniques. Even the great artists were prepared to "borrow" from others' methods. Cheers, Mick. Always more room! And, heck yes- I'll steal any technique or idea if it'll improve my stuff. I'm not terribly sure of the history of figure painting, but it seems sometime in the mid 60s a certain "look" started developing that was an improvement over the traditional toy soldier approach, but since then, things have settled into a routine with little further progress. This stylized approach has not gone on to the next step- which is the realistic portrayal of light and shadow.I'm not quite sure how to phrase this- I hope I start seeing more soldiers arranged and painted with reality as the point insted of making a good looking model. Hustad's trench diorama that was in FSM a little while ago certainly was a step in this direction! I'd gladly steal ideas from him! Robert K. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 May 1998 23:54:59 -0500 From: kevinkim@interlog.com (Kevin & Kimberley Barrett) To: wwi Subject: Re: Mystery Jasta in Italy Message-ID: Carlos answered: > The photo you refer to has been identified (somewhere) as depicting a/c >of a Jasta operating in Italy. I don't have any other details or a way >of verifying that piece of information. HTH. > Carlos Carlos, I assume this photo is thought to be from Italy because of the faint line of mountainous terrain seen in the background. If so, the Jasta pictured would have been part of Jagdgruppe 14 in Italy from September 1917 to March 1918. The three Jastas involved were 1, 31 and 39. Using "The Jasta Pilots" as a reference, these Jastas are given the following marking notes: 1: Alb D.III fighters in Italy had distinctive personal colour schemes in black and white. 31: Used OAW-built Albatros scouts...natural varnish on fuselage with various personal emblems. Mauve/green upper wings, blue under surfaces. 39: Only personal markings are known on D.IIIs in Italy. Raben's raven. Another had thick vertical fuselage stripes. Another had horizontal white lines on fuselage and top decking. **I seem to remember seeing a shot of these planes in another photo, but they aren't the planes pictured in the photo I'm investigating.** For those who have seen the photo I'm refering to here, the third scout in the lineup is the star - a spectacular white and black(?) striped Albatros. Upper and lower wings, as well as tailplane are fully chevroned, and fuselage completely wrapped in stripes. The two closer planes can be pretty well identified as OAW Alb D.IIIs with evidence of varnished fuselages and one overpainted with broad, dark horizontal striping. The fourth plane in the lineup seems to have dark vertical fuselage striping with a thin horizontal stripe along the datum line. The fifth plane is dark overall, and so it's tough to make out any details. For this most ridiculously amaturish investigation, I'd narrow the hunt down to Jastas 1 or 31. If the very distinctivly striped Albatros is the Jasta leader, could it be the personal mount of Hans Kummetz (CO Jasta 1 Nov '17 to Jan '18) or Werner Zech (CO Jasta 31 Sept '17 to May '18)? Interestingly, Zech was transferred from Jasta 1 to take command of Jasta 31 just before the move to Italy. Could Zech have brought with him his Jasta 1 Albatros of "distinctive black and white colour scheme", while commanding Jasta 31's "OAW-built Albatros scouts with natural varnished fuselages and various personal emblems?" This seems like a happy little fantasy, at least until better information comes to light. Kevin Barrett. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 May 1998 23:52:22 EDT From: Zulis To: wwi Subject: Re: the silence - plus combat reports Message-ID: <1cd67a18.3568eaf7@aol.com> In a message dated 98-05-24 23:10:50 EDT, Mike wrote: << The kit goes together nicely, but I had one hell of a time getting the radiator and all the hoses, etc to work... >> Thanks for the warning. I will glare at the engine parts a bit longer than usual before pulling out the glue..... for some reason, I'm really itching to do this one. Happy Memorial Day, Dave Zulis ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 May 1998 23:25:39 -0500 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi Subject: Re: convention-was Are we filling too many seams? Message-ID: <3568F277.2BF3@bellsouth.net> KarrArt wrote: (big snip) > Always more room! And, heck yes- I'll steal any technique or idea if it'll > improve my stuff. I'm not terribly sure of the history of figure painting, but > it seems sometime in the mid 60s a certain "look" started developing that was > an improvement over the traditional toy soldier approach, but since then, > things have settled into a routine with little further progress. This stylized > approach has not gone on to the next step- which is the realistic portrayal of > light and shadow.I'm not quite sure how to phrase this- I hope I start seeing > more soldiers arranged and painted with reality as the point insted of making > a good looking model. Hustad's trench diorama that was in FSM a little while > ago certainly was a step in this direction! I'd gladly steal ideas from him! > Robert K. > > > > Any room for the fat guy from the south(no, not Newt)? While I agree with most everything that's been said on this thread, I have to,1; make a plea for Verlinden, and 2;ask a question. 1; Don't come down so hard on Verlinden. I'm pretty new to figure painting(about 4 years) and I must say that seeing Verlinden figures was one of the things that got me interested in this really neat aspect of the hobby. And if it weren't for 'The Verlinden Way' I might have gotten frustrated with it and given up. It may be McTechnique to some painters, but it's a pretty decent basis for beginners. And now that I'm comfortable with his approach, I'm ready to start trying other techniques, like Bill Horan's. Granted, some modelers will learn one way and think it's the only way. But not all of us. Some use the Verlinden method as a spring board to launch themselves into an exploration that will yeild new ideas and techniques. So please, let's not attack some particular style that, while getting stale, is still the best alot of us can do. 2;How could the portrayal of light and shadow be more realisitc than the current popular methods? I'm not asking to imply that it can't be any better, it's just that I'm still trying to master the current popular methods. And if there's a better approach, I would like to know about it so I can study that one instead. Precariously balancing on the edge of the soap-box, Ern ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 May 1998 23:29:58 -0500 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi Subject: Re: the silence - plus combat reports Message-ID: <3568F3C6.2F86@bellsouth.net> Zulis wrote: > > In a message dated 98-05-24 23:10:50 EDT, Mike wrote: > > << The kit goes together nicely, but I had one hell of a time > getting the radiator and all the hoses, etc to work... >> > > Thanks for the warning. I will glare at the engine parts a bit longer than > usual before pulling out the glue..... for some reason, I'm really itching > to do this one. > > Happy Memorial Day, > > Dave Zulis Hey Dave, FWIW, I would go ahead and invest in some P/E spoke wheels for that bird. Those clear wheels were clever for their time, but they'll never look as good as the wheels that are available today. E.. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 May 1998 01:00:26 EDT From: Zulis To: wwi Subject: Re: the silence - plus combat reports Message-ID: <8d2efaea.3568faeb@aol.com> In a message dated 98-05-25 00:33:13 EDT, Ernest wrote: << Hey Dave, FWIW, I would go ahead and invest in some P/E spoke wheels for that bird. Those clear wheels were clever for their time, but they'll never look as good as the wheels that are available today. E.. >> Hi Ernest, Good idea. I was concentrating on various treatments for the existing wheels on how to make them look right .... hadnt thought of photo-etch. I was thinking about stealing the wheels off of a couple of 1950s era 1/43 F1 cars (spoked wheels with, best of all, rubber tyres) but when I looked at them they were not as good a match as I had remembered, the sizes are completely wrong and, even if they weren't, they just wouldnt look right (the rubber is too wide and doesn't look right for that era ). One of those ideas that looked better in the mind's eye than in reality. Thanks for the suggestion, Dave Z ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 May 1998 15:01:02 +1000 (EST) From: Mick Fauchon To: wwi Cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Ludendorf's War Memories Message-ID: James, > You know Ludendorf participated in Adolf Hitler's 1923 Beer Hall Putsch? They > were convinced that the police would not fire on the Great War Hero...seems > they were wrong. Interesting to note, too, that Ludendorff was the only one prepared to advance under fire.......others, one particularly, it appears, didn't have the courage of their convivtions, and scarpered. Mick. -- -- Mick Fauchon | Internet: ulmjf@dewey.newcastle.edu.au Reference Section, Auchmuty Library | Ph (intl+61+49) 215861 University of Newcastle, AUSTRALIA | Fax (intl+61+49) 215833 MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM M M M Tasmanian Devil: "#@%!&^*%%...!#@!&**%^@@#$#-+*+*&##@...!!" M M M M Yosemite Sam : "Cut out that Army talk!..Yer in the Navy now!" M M M MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 May 1998 22:13:56 -0700 From: mgoodwin@ricochet.net To: wwi Subject: Re: the silence - plus combat reports Message-ID: <3568FE14.13A4@ricochet.net> I was concentrating on various treatments for the existing wheels > on how to make them look right .... hadnt thought of photo-etch. I was > thinking about stealing the wheels off of a couple of 1950s era 1/43 F1 cars > (spoked wheels with, best of all, rubber tyres) but when I looked at them they > were not as good a match as I had remembered, the sizes are completely wrong > and, even if they weren't, they just wouldnt look right (the rubber is too > wide and doesn't look right for that era ). Dave, One word: SKIS! You needn't muck about with PE unless you really want to. I've read that Winters are long in parts of Russia, and these 'planes spent a good deal of time on snow. Riordan ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 May 1998 00:21:03 -0500 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi Subject: Re: the silence - plus combat reports Message-ID: <3568FFBF.5BAD@bellsouth.net> Zulis wrote: (snip) One of those ideas that looked > better in the mind's eye than in reality. I hate those. And mine are always the hardest to fix. E. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 May 1998 01:31:41 EDT From: KarrArt To: wwi Subject: Re: convention-was Are we filling too many seams? Message-ID: <4605572f.3569023e@aol.com> In a message dated 98-05-25 00:29:43 EDT, you write: << Any room for the fat guy from the south(no, not Newt)? While I agree with most everything that's been said on this thread, I have to,1; make a plea for Verlinden, and 2;ask a question. 1; Don't come down so hard on Verlinden. I'm pretty new to figure painting(about 4 years) and I must say that seeing Verlinden figures was one of the things that got me interested in this really neat aspect of the hobby. And if it weren't for 'The Verlinden Way' I might have gotten frustrated with it and given up. ...... Some use the Verlinden method as a spring board to launch themselves into an exploration that will yeild new ideas and techniques. So please, let's not attack some particular style that, while getting stale, is still the best alot of us can do........... Precariously balancing on the edge of the soap-box, Ern>> There is a certain imprecision in my picking on Verlinden- it's a short hand way of saying "the current set of figure painting conventions".I agree that using these methods produces a good looking piece of work, and I also agree that the "Verlinden" method-scene-ouvre-genre-coven-movement is responsible for a general upgrading in the realism of miniatures. I look at work in old magazines from the late 60s-mid 70s and what was prize winning in those days would be laughed out of the junior categories today. Verlinden, Shep Paine and that generation of modelers brought a new way of looking at "toy" soldiers.Hell, maybe they'll be the very ones to take it to the next plateau.And in all of this, I'm speaking as mostly as a spectator saying what I'd like to see, because I'm nowhere near these guys in skill, execution or vision. I'd love to become an accomplished painter in the "method"- then I'd have a solid basis for going somewhere else. I guess if I have a gripe with anybody, it's the judges who've come to expect a certain "look" and if any work deviates, it's outahere. I also have to say there are no sour grapes on my part because I've never entered a competition on these categories- I just talk to other folks at the shows. And I'll tell ya, Ern, welcome to the crate! Threads like this prove that there is a lot of mental ferment and questioning about not just technique, but where technique leads. Robert K. ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 1035 **********************