WWI Digest 1032 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Fighting the Flying Circus by Ernest Thomas 2) Re: QUARTER SCALE MODELLER by GRBroman 3) Re: Fighting the Flying Circus by kevinkim@interlog.com (Kevin & Kimberley Barrett) 4) Re: Fighting the Flying Circus by mgoodwin@ricochet.net 5) RE: Are we filling too many seams? by Shane Weier 6) RE: Are we filling too many seams? by Shane Weier 7) FSM Poll results by Shane Weier 8) Re: AM contents (CONTRIBUTORS PLEASE READ) by DavidL1217 9) Re: QUARTER SCALE MODELLER by "Lee Mensinger" 10) Re: Are we filling too many seams? by Aidrian Bridgeman-Sutton 11) convention-was Are we filling too many seams? by KarrArt 12) Re: DML Gun Problems by Ernest Thomas 13) Re: DML Gun Problems by Aidrian Bridgeman-Sutton 14) Re: Are we filling too many seams? by Ernest Thomas 15) off topic book find. by Ernest Thomas 16) Re: DML Gun Problems by Ernest Thomas 17) Re: Tull by Aidrian Bridgeman-Sutton 18) Re: On topic - Off media by KarrArt 19) Re: On topic - Off media by Ernest Thomas 20) Re: On topic - Off media by "James Elkins" 21) Re: convention-was Are we filling too many seams? by Aidrian Bridgeman-Sutton 22) Off Topic: Ballard Finds Yorktown by infosilver@czechia.com 23) Re: FSM Poll results by mbittner@juno.com 24) Re: DML Gun Problems by perrysm@juno.com 25) Re: Acrylic vs. Enamel by John & Allison Cyganowski 26) Re: Fighting the Flying Circus by aew (Allan Wright) 27) Re: your mail by aew (Allan Wright) 28) Re: convention-was Are we filling too many seams? by "Paul Schwartzkopf" 29) Re: convention-was Are we filling too many seams? by perrysm@juno.com 30) RE: DML Gun Problems by "Dr. Phillip Anz-Meador" 31) Re: DML Gun Problems by Ernest Thomas ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 21:15:15 -0500 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi Subject: Re: Fighting the Flying Circus Message-ID: <3564DFB3.62A5@bellsouth.net> Allan Wright wrote: > > Anyone know where to get an affordable copy of Eddie Rickenbacker's > book _FIGHTING_THE_FLYING_CIRCUS_? > > -Allan If you just want to read it but don't need to own it, I can lend you mine. E. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 22:44:11 EDT From: GRBroman To: wwi Subject: Re: QUARTER SCALE MODELLER Message-ID: <40dd7cb0.3564e67d@aol.com> In a message dated 98-05-21 22:04:25 EDT, you write: << Oh, what a funny fella! I'll have you know that Small Scale Aviator is (was?) out, so I've already seen it. :-) >> Yup, it was reading material last night. I'm working a an article on the Emhar kits,. Photos should be done next week. If interested,, I could post the article here. Glen ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 22:58:18 -0500 From: kevinkim@interlog.com (Kevin & Kimberley Barrett) To: wwi Subject: Re: Fighting the Flying Circus Message-ID: >Anyone know where to get an affordable copy of Eddie Rickenbacker's >book _FIGHTING_THE_FLYING_CIRCUS_? > Allan, If you just want the paperback, I can get a used one for you for a couple of bucks. Kevin Barrett. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 19:48:15 -0700 From: mgoodwin@ricochet.net To: wwi Subject: Re: Fighting the Flying Circus Message-ID: <3564E76F.558B@ricochet.net> Allan Wright wrote: > > Anyone know where to get an affordable copy of Eddie Rickenbacker's > book _FIGHTING_THE_FLYING_CIRCUS_? No luck at local library or through interlibrary loan, or is this just one you must own? Rickenbacker fan? Cheers, Riordan ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 13:49:57 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: wwi Subject: RE: Are we filling too many seams? Message-ID: <199805220406.OAA18861@mimmon.mim.com.au> Bill, who says >Certainly, gaps in excess of 1/2" or so would have been >the exception rather than the rule. And, of course, at >1/72 scale, a 1/2" gap scales out at a little under .02 >millimeters. Even at 1/48, with a full 1" gap, it would >still scale out at just a smidge over 1/20 of a millimeter. ...may need a new calculator. A 1inch gap is 25.4mm, so in 1/48 is slightly over 0.5mm wide. One inch gaps are not really all that uncommon either, the gaps between Biff wing panels and centre sections being nearer that than to 1/2 inch. I have to suggest that in this case a real gap is necessary, despite the pain of producing spars with the requisite cross section and sufficient strength. In teeny weeny scale the idea of gaps is a bit more moot, however, a 1/2 inch gap at the wing root / fuselage join is still 1000/144 or 7thou. I regularly use 5 thou plastic card and brass sheet, so a shim of that inserted at the root while affixing spars would produce an accurate spacing. Or you could just do what Bill Bacon was suggesting - not fill the seam. Shane ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 13:50:04 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: wwi Subject: RE: Are we filling too many seams? Message-ID: <199805220406.OAA18860@mimmon.mim.com.au> Bill says (in part) >filling. The construction of our favorite A/C was such that it could be >disassembled and assembled with relative ease. Wing and empenage were >bolted in place as separate, complete and unique parts. If you bolt the > horizontal tail plane in place, there has to be a gap at the juncture. > (snippety snip) >Just a thought. Comments? I couldn't agree more. I have long lost count of the number of times I've been queried by judges about the "gap" (usually hairline) at the LE of the tailplane of a Fokker D.VII or at the wing roots of most any WW1 plane. For a while I thought i should fill them to get them off my back, but have since decided that it's my problem if the judges know nothing about this area, and try to provide a reference photo with my doco. I *still* get comments about my failures in basic modelling techniques, but not so often about *those* joins. Shane ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 14:08:15 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi'" Subject: FSM Poll results Message-ID: <199805220424.OAA19475@mimmon.mim.com.au> Hi all, Remember Paul Boyers call for an email poll on most wanted 1/72 kits? And another on 1/48? I append his 1/72 results, taken from rec.models scale. Note the comments he makes about WW1. Naughty, naughty Matt ;-) The 1/48 results were posted earlier. No WW1 models at all. Maybe Eduard has slaked our thirst, maybe we big-scalers aren't so skilled at stacking the deck. ROTFL Shane (comments in braces are mine) ===================================================== Subject: 1/72 poll results Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 14:24:29 -0600 From: pboyer@finescale.com (Paul Boyer) Organization: Kalmbach Publishing Co. Newsgroups: rec.models.scale Well, here it is, the result of the very informal rec.models.scale survey for most wanted aircraft in 1/72 scale. The counting is over, so don't "Ooh, add these choices" to me. I received 98 ballots (including my own). The results are similar to the official survey we took a year and a half ago in FSM - you guys want to see some big models. While the votes were spread out quite a bit, most settled into modern U.S. again, and some WWII U.S. that need to be updated. British subjects (both WWII and postwar) were also strong, as well as some postwar Soviet subjects. There was a mini surge from a WWI SIG that skewed things a bit - no fair, guys. But these are things I can't control. Only the subjects collecting five votes or more are listed. I feel less than five votes is statistically irrelevant for this poll. I will be sharing these results with kit manufacturers. In order of most wanted 1. Boeing C/KC-97/377 2. Tupolev Bear 3. DeHavilland Mosquito family 4. Fairchild C-123 Provider 5. Tupolev Badger 6. Douglas C-54/DC-4 7. Martin PBM Mariner 8. Douglas A-26 family 9. Douglas C-124 Globemaster 10. Nieuport 17 {what, finger prints? Matt Bittner you say? Weeeel....} 11. Martin B-26 Marauder family 12. N.A. B-45 Tornado 13. Albatros D.III {Yup, more prints, but not all *his* this time} 14. F.E. 2 {right naughty bunch you teeny scalers are ;-) } 15. Gloster Meteor F.8 16. Hawker Hunter family 17. H.P. Halifax family 18. Lockheed C-141 Starlifter family 19. N.A. FJ-2/3 Fury 20. Northrop T-38A Talon 21. Douglas A-20 Havoc/Boston family Paul Boyer Cyclists who wear helmets have something to protect. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 00:14:22 EDT From: DavidL1217 To: wwi Subject: Re: AM contents (CONTRIBUTORS PLEASE READ) Message-ID: <21d25633.3564fb9f@aol.com> My US$15 was sent to you last Monday. David Layton ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 23:35:21 -0500 From: "Lee Mensinger" To: wwi Subject: Re: QUARTER SCALE MODELLER Message-ID: <35650088.EA78B18B@wireweb.net> GRBroman wrote: > In a message dated 98-05-21 22:04:25 EDT, you write: > << Oh, what a funny fella! I'll have you know that Small Scale > Aviator is > (was?) out, so I've already seen it. :-) >> > > Yup, it was reading material last night. I'm working a an article on > the > Emhar kits,. Photos should be done next week. If interested,, I > could post > the article here. Glen Post away good sir. It would be gladly received. Lee ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 15:37:24 +1200 From: Aidrian Bridgeman-Sutton To: wwi Subject: Re: Are we filling too many seams? Message-ID: <199805220337.PAA18921@smtp1.ihug.co.nz> Following this through it seems that part of the problem is that the modelling community tends to fall into the trap of following certain conventions. Part of that is perhaps the tendency to make models of models - that is to follow certain well worn paths set by the leading lights of ages past. Now if said leading light commits the fearsome faux pas of filling in seams where they should be visible that will eventually become part of the standard if no one questions it. WRT competitions - Judges see what they look for, and having seen hundreds of models they expect certain thing like filled joints around the tail - perfectly appropriate in a Spitfire, but not necessarily so in a Pup or S.E.5a. Perhaps the issue here is that they are in need of education regarding aeroplanes having two wings and/or canvas covering. I propose an addendum to modeller's confession. "I have filled those seems that ought to be unfilled and left unfilled those seams that ought to be filled." Aidrian Who is critically reviewing his pitifully small output for signs of "Modelling Correctness". ******************************************************************************* * Aidrian Bridgeman-Sutton. * * Connector Systems Ltd, Christchurch NZ * * Ph 03 366-7839, 02175924(mobile), 03 355 3341(Pte) * * Fax 03 3667847 * ******************************************************************************* Any opinions expressed are my own fault. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 01:20:59 EDT From: KarrArt To: wwi Subject: convention-was Are we filling too many seams? Message-ID: In a message dated 98-05-22 00:40:35 EDT, you write: << Part of that is perhaps the tendency to make models of models - that is to follow certain well worn paths set by the leading lights of ages past. >> Well said.This tendency cuts across modeling categories and this is one reason I've shied away from the 54mm figure world. That "model magazine" look of a particular series of flesh tones turns me off completely but if one doesn't paint according to this "look', then no way will the work be considered. One more Verlinden head painted with this method and I'll spew! 30 years ago I tried to make my models look like the ones in Scale Modeler; as I got older, I started looking more and more at the full size versions. Reading a few books on art, color theory and perception taught me to look at things with a more critical eye. Seeing other modeler's work has also been part of this education- I'll glady rip off any technique or effect that seems to add to making a model into a shrunken piece of reality. ( derelict milk crate mode off- I still can't find my soap box) Robert K. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 00:59:08 -0500 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi Subject: Re: DML Gun Problems Message-ID: <3565142C.56F7@bellsouth.net> Dr. Phillip Anz-Meador wrote: > > ernest; unfortunately only one size right now (these are german insulin > syringes which i get from german friends, the wife of the couple being > diabetic), though i can check on other sizes. i measure it to be 0.013" > outside diameter. > > phillip Phillip, Thanks, but I'm more interested in getting different sizes that I can make telescoping assemblies with. I also want some spinal needles because they're long and you get a few inches of needle with only one point to get rid of. I wonder if BD would sell foot long lengths of the tubing? Ernest ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 18:23:24 -0700 From: Aidrian Bridgeman-Sutton To: wwi Subject: Re: DML Gun Problems Message-ID: <3566250C.1D5E@connectorsystems.co.nz> Ernest I can buy Hypo tubing in metre lenghtdfrom acompany known as Steel and Tube locally. I guess you should be able to source it from similar operations in your neck of the woods. If not try these people, but make sure you wallet is well screwed down before you open their catalogue. I will not be held reseponsible for any increase in your overdraft after you have done so. http://www.smallparts.com/ HTH Aidrian ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 01:26:42 -0500 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi Subject: Re: Are we filling too many seams? Message-ID: <35651AA2.3B5F@bellsouth.net> Of late, I've attempted to leave gaps between things that should have gaps between them. ??? However, one of the things I've always liked about WWI a/c is the very little seam work required. E. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 01:31:06 -0500 From: Ernest Thomas To: multiple recipients of list Subject: off topic book find. Message-ID: <35651BAA.4FA6@bellsouth.net> Any body out there a closet ship builder and looking for a copy of 'The Lore of Ships'? Contact me off list of you're interested. E. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 01:37:24 -0500 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi Subject: Re: DML Gun Problems Message-ID: <35651D24.422B@bellsouth.net> Aidrian Bridgeman-Sutton wrote: > > Ernest > > I can buy Hypo tubing in metre lenghtdfrom acompany known as Steel and > Tube locally. > > I guess you should be able to source it from similar operations in your > neck of the woods. > > If not try these people, but make sure you wallet is well screwed down > before you open their catalogue. I will not be held reseponsible for any > increase in your overdraft after you have done so. > > http://www.smallparts.com/ > > HTH > Aidrian aahhh! Once again Aidrian proves to be a tremendous help and a credit to the Southern Hemisphere. E. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 18:45:57 -0700 From: Aidrian Bridgeman-Sutton To: wwi Subject: Re: Tull Message-ID: <35662A55.65DA@connectorsystems.co.nz> Nice to see so many people on the list have such excellent taste. I thought I'd share a tale - at least one of our brethren on this the list will have seen this before, so, Jim, you can hit delete now. Some years ago I lived in New Plymouth on the west coast of the North Island, pop say 45 kilosouls. Anyway a town ofthat size needs a bikie gang, and the crew in NP were called the "Magogs" or "Gogs" for short. Now the Gogs were starting to get on a bit by the early nineties, and weren't really up to many of the traditional bikie activities, but they liked to roar round town on their Nortons and Triumphs, scaring little old ladies. They also liked parking them all in a row outside the White Hart when they went for a drink, just so that any passers by would realise that NP was a real city with it's own bikie gang. Come 1993 or thereabouts they were able to straighten their brains out enough to calculate that the gang had been in existence for a significant number of years. To celebrate they thought they'd have a party and invite anyone who could afford the price of a ticket to come along. Now, if you want to do this sort of thing and charge for it you have to provide some entertainment for the assembled masses to justify the expenditure, so they hired a band for the evening. The band they hired was Jethro Tull. Aidrian (Who still hankers after a BSA Gold Star Clubman, one with megaphones) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 02:51:01 EDT From: KarrArt To: wwi Subject: Re: On topic - Off media Message-ID: In a message dated 98-05-21 10:06:31 EDT, you write: << some balsa >> Off media? balsa is lovely stuff! Lousy for some things, great for others. Any substance that can be used to construct WW I in miniature is on topic and on media! ( allright- who wants to be the first one to build a SPAD from lima beans?) Robert K. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 02:01:08 -0500 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi Subject: Re: On topic - Off media Message-ID: <356522B4.693A@bellsouth.net> KarrArt wrote: ( allright- who wants to be the first one to build a SPAD from lima > beans?) > Robert K. How's about a Spam SPAD! How's about: Sam's dad sat on Sam's Spam SPAD. When Sam spied his spam SPAD sat on by Sam's dad, Sam was sad. And the Spam SPAD was eaten by sad Sam and his SPAD sitting dad. E. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 02:22:06 -0700 From: "James Elkins" To: Subject: Re: On topic - Off media Message-ID: <01bd8563$16eb0740$7537a497@jim-elkins> >How's about a Spam SPAD! >How's about: >Sam's dad sat on Sam's Spam SPAD. When Sam spied his spam SPAD sat on by >Sam's dad, Sam was sad. And the Spam SPAD was eaten by sad Sam and his >SPAD sitting dad. >E. I would not eat a SPAM SPAD plane; I would not eat a SPAM SPAD frame; I would not eat SPAM on patrol; I would not eat SPAM in a roll; For Spam I do not give a damn; I would not eat it oh SPAM I am..." Sorry, I'm tired! JIM ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 19:23:17 -0700 From: Aidrian Bridgeman-Sutton To: wwi Subject: Re: convention-was Are we filling too many seams? Message-ID: <35663315.41ED@connectorsystems.co.nz> KarrArt wrote: > > Well said.This tendency cuts across modeling categories and this is one reason > I've shied away from the 54mm figure world. That "model magazine" look of a > particular series of flesh tones turns me off completely but if one doesn't > paint according to this "look', then no way will the work be considered. One > more Verlinden head painted with this method and I'll spew! It's become a style in itself. I wonder whether this is due to the fact that there isn't a great deal of cross-fertilization of techniques and ideas between the different disciplines? Armour modellers could learn a lot from railway modellers for example, and I have appropriated dome of the figure painter's techniques of adding shade and light for railway models. Whether this means that my locomotives will eventually end up looking like Verlinden heads I wouldn't know -I guess Robert's digestion will tell me if I've gone too far. I pinch ideas from all over the place, and swap them around freely - I'm also a butterfly, doing ships and trains as well as aeroplanes. I'm still trying to find a technique and style that I can call my own, even though all of it will have been cribbed eventually from other sources. If you get a chance take a look at some of the work in the "Model Railway Journal" which is published in the UK - there are some incredibly talented modellers in that field. The only area where faithful imitation and adherence to certain techniques and methods of construction might be advantageous would be with ship models in what is called the "Dockyard" style, a style which is not strictly representative, but is hallowed by tradition. If you invwent a new way if depicting the framing than you don't have a dockyard model anymore. One day I'll be brave enough to tackle one myself. But I couldn't agree more with Robert about grabbing art books for ideas - many of the ideas and techniques are quite adaptable to working in three dimensions. Over the last few years I've added gouache and aquarellable colured pencils to my list of materials. I'll save tempera for decorating harpsichord soundboards but it might be fun to paint a Hasegawa egg plane in them. It seems Robert's milk crate had room for two - any one else want to join us? Aidrian ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 May 98 20:04:38 -01 From: infosilver@czechia.com To: wwi Subject: Off Topic: Ballard Finds Yorktown Message-ID: Just came across this on r.m.s. Surely one of this year's greatest sensations for me. Ivan Subrt Subject: ***USS Yorktown CV5 found at Midway!!!!!**** Date: 20 May 1998 11:44:02 GMT From: mbishop446@aol.com (MBishop446) Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Newsgroups: rec.models.scale In my paper this morning we had a story that Bob Ballard has found the CV5 in 16,650 feet of water north of Midway Island. The paper says that Ballard found the ship which is still up right and intact yesterday 3:45 pm Charleston time. Ballard says he is doing a video on the lost ships of Midway. Next up is to find the 4 Japanese CV's lost in the same battle. No dought a book will be in the offering too. The paper says that National Geographic will do a show on the Ballard finds when the other ships are found, that is if anything is left of them. Mike ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 04:46:20 -0500 From: mbittner@juno.com To: wwi Subject: Re: FSM Poll results Message-ID: <19980522.050240.11398.0.mbittner@juno.com> On Fri, 22 May 1998 00:13:20 -0400 Shane Weier writes: >I append his 1/72 results, taken from rec.models scale. Note the >comments he makes about WW1. >Naughty, naughty Matt ;-) You do what you have to do...;-) Matt Bittner _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 06:33:49 -0400 From: perrysm@juno.com To: wwi Subject: Re: DML Gun Problems Message-ID: <19980522.065156.18158.0.perrysm@juno.com> >Phillip, > >Thanks, but I'm more interested in getting different sizes that I can >make telescoping assemblies with. I also want some spinal needles >because they're long and you get a few inches of needle with only one >point to get rid of. I wonder if BD would sell foot long lengths of >the >tubing? > >Ernest > Hobby Hanger sells micro tubing and tiny springs. I sent off for their price sheet and they sent a small sample bag along with the sheet, which includes a nice table that shows the correct size to use for 30 cal up to 16 " guns in 1/700 up to 1/24 scale. I believe I sent 3 bucks to Hobby Hanger PO box 472 New Carlisle, In 46552 to get the price sheet. The table alone was worth the price. sp _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 07:10:19 -0400 From: John & Allison Cyganowski To: wwi Subject: Re: Acrylic vs. Enamel Message-ID: <35655D1B.45D4@worldnet.att.net> One you try acrylic, I predict you'll never go back. I still use enamals for some washes, small detail and some photoetch, but mostly I use acrylics. The results are terrific and the clean-up time greatly reduced, not to mention guilt about the solvent waste. Polly S Plastic prep is still made. Polly S also makes a thinner...I haven't tried it. If you do try it, Check the bottom of the bottle. I have seen a brown floc in many bottles. Maybe the stuff is unstable and precipitates, or may be they are too cheap to filter it properly. As far as best quality Acrylic paint, I'd have to give that prize to Gunze-Sangyo. The pigment grain is just incredibly fine in this stuff, which makes it a joy to work with. It dries with a semi-gloss finish which I suspect will take decals without overcoat...Although, I am too much of a chicken to try this. The drawback is very few stores carry it and it is expensive. Tamiya's acrylics are also pretty good - I use their Olive Drab straight out of the bottle for PC-10. As for thinning, water is good although it takes a long time to dry. Try adding a little Isopropyl Alcohol (2-Propanol for those of you on the IUPAC system) - I like 50% water 50% IPA. The more IPA you use the faster the paint dries, but I think the coat get grainy. Matt's about a day or two to "cure" is right on, although if you use IPA you can get away with ~ 1 day. Note: there was an artical in FSM a few years ago where they looked acrylics and said that nearly all of them were incompatible with alcohol. I dispute this contention. I have yet to find an acrylic paint that was not miscible with IPA. Sorry for running on.(no pun intended). John Cyg. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 08:52:37 -0400 (EDT) From: aew (Allan Wright) To: wwi Subject: Re: Fighting the Flying Circus Message-ID: <199805221252.IAA09651@pease1.sr.unh.edu> > Allan Wright wrote: > > Anyone know where to get an affordable copy of Eddie Rickenbacker's > > book _FIGHTING_THE_FLYING_CIRCUS_? > > No luck at local library or through interlibrary loan, or is this just > one you must own? Rickenbacker fan? Yes, I'd like to own this - it's the last one of his books I don't have. I love reading his stuff. -Al =============================================================================== Allan Wright Jr. | You fell victim to one of the 'classic' blunders! University of New Hampshire+--------------------------------------------------- Research Computing Center | WWI Modeling mailing list: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Internet: aew@unh.edu | WWI Modeling WWW Page: http://pease1.sr.unh.edu =============================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 09:01:41 -0400 (EDT) From: aew (Allan Wright) To: wwi Subject: Re: your mail Message-ID: <199805221301.JAA09722@pease1.sr.unh.edu> > just checked it. Go to: > http://www.wtj.com/pl/pages/rick.htm Thanks Pedro - I 've read the first 5 chapters here - that's why I want to get the book. I alreay have the Autobiography and "Father to Son". I didn't know this book existed or I already would have got it. -Allan =============================================================================== Allan Wright Jr. | You fell victim to one of the 'classic' blunders! University of New Hampshire+--------------------------------------------------- Research Computing Center | WWI Modeling mailing list: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Internet: aew@unh.edu | WWI Modeling WWW Page: http://pease1.sr.unh.edu =============================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 08:06:54 -0500 From: "Paul Schwartzkopf" To: wwi Subject: Re: convention-was Are we filling too many seams? Message-ID: << Part of that is perhaps the tendency to make models of models - that is to follow certain well worn paths set by the leading lights of = ages past. >> Remember all those Shep Paine diorama pamphlets that came in Monogram = model kits? As far as filling or not filling all the seams (and other techniques), I = guess it depends on whether you follow the "realistic" or "artistic" = approach in modeling. True, usually when I try the realistic approach in = a contest entry, I don't get very far with it. I agree that we have seen = so many leading lights that now people have the paradigm that "if it isn't = how Verlinden does it, it's ALL WRONG". When I build a model, there is = only one judge I need to worry about. And if he thinks it is OK to have a = slight wing root gap, then I don't really care about what the other judges = think. One of the neatest things about this hobby is the unique ability = of each modeler to build a subject as he interprets it. I have seen too = many modelers fall into this paradigm "trap" that no matter what subject = they build looks as though it came out of a factory assembly line. I = personally don't like seeing "rubber stamps" of models, and much prefer = viewing a unique presentation, even if it is not realistic or not artistic = enough.=20 Paul A. Schwartzkopf ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 09:41:24 -0400 From: perrysm@juno.com To: wwi Subject: Re: convention-was Are we filling too many seams? Message-ID: <19980522.094125.11374.0.perrysm@juno.com> On Fri, 22 May 1998 09:09:51 -0400 "Paul Schwartzkopf" writes: >As far as filling or not filling all the seams (and other techniques), >I guess it depends on whether you follow the "realistic" or "artistic" >approach in modeling. > One of the neatest things about this hobby is the unique >ability of each modeler to build a subject as he interprets it. I have seen >too many modelers fall into this paradigm "trap" that no matter what >subect they build looks as though it came out of a factory assembly line. I >personally don't like seeing "rubber stamps" of models, and much >prefer viewing a unique presentation, even if it is not realistic or not >artistic enough. > >Paul A. Schwartzkopf > Very well said Paul, I quite agree. I just finished the following when I received your post. A 100% exact scale miniature of an original piece of equipment is an ideal goal, not a practicable possibility. (Although I could think of a few likely targets for a fully functional 1:72 Lewis gun). My point is that every model is an illusion of the original equipment. The essential question is, "How do I fool the brain of the beholder into perceiving my work as an exact miniature?" Two ways of doing this are to give detail where the eye expects detail and to represent details of the original that the beholder didn't realize were there. The intricate detail that is achieved by some 1:48 modelers gives the eye so much detail that the brain is convinced that this is in fact an exact miniature. On the other hand, it has been pointed out exactly how small a 1/2" gap is in 1:72 scale. Here a gap needs to be represented because there was one in full size and it served a purpose. In such instances, exact scale is less important than the visible presence of feature to the overall illusion you are seeking to create in the beholder's brain. The blending of intricate scale detail with slightly out of scale representations of small but important features to create the illusion of an exact miniature is the challenge and reward of this hobby. The use of both approaches with different emphasis is why I enjoy building in both 1:48 and 1:72 scales. Steven Perry perrysm@juno.com _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 09:08:39 -0500 From: "Dr. Phillip Anz-Meador" To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: DML Gun Problems Message-ID: <01BD8561.37861D20.panz-meador@vsti.com> ernest: have you heard of "small parts inc."? they have all kinds of small items useful for making miniature devices, including incredibly small wire, tubing, etc. their customer service dept. is at (305) 423-9009 (0800-1830 M-F EDT, they're in miami lakes, FL), and i believe they send out FREE cataloges. HTH, phillip -----Original Message----- From: Ernest Thomas [SMTP:ethomas6@bellsouth.net] Sent: Friday, May 22, 1998 1:05 AM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: DML Gun Problems Dr. Phillip Anz-Meador wrote: > > ernest; unfortunately only one size right now (these are german insulin > syringes which i get from german friends, the wife of the couple being > diabetic), though i can check on other sizes. i measure it to be 0.013" > outside diameter. > > phillip Phillip, Thanks, but I'm more interested in getting different sizes that I can make telescoping assemblies with. I also want some spinal needles because they're long and you get a few inches of needle with only one point to get rid of. I wonder if BD would sell foot long lengths of the tubing? Ernest ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 09:10:32 -0500 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi Subject: Re: DML Gun Problems Message-ID: <35658758.35DD@bellsouth.net> Dr. Phillip Anz-Meador wrote: > > ernest: have you heard of "small parts inc."? they have all kinds of > small items useful for making miniature devices, including incredibly small > wire, tubing, etc. their customer service dept. is at (305) 423-9009 > (0800-1830 M-F EDT, they're in miami lakes, FL), and i believe they send > out FREE cataloges. > > HTH, > > phillip Thanks. With all the leads I've been getting from list members, I should have asked this question earlier. E. ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 1032 **********************