WWI Digest 1021

Topics covered in this issue include:

  1) Home safe and sound
	by Bill Bacon <wbacon@netjava.net>
  2) Dulling Future Finishes
	by "S.M.Sundberg" <sms@netins.net>
  3) Throttle
	by Ernest Thomas <ethomas6@bellsouth.net>
  4) Re: Throttle
	by Charles Hart <hartc@spot.colorado.edu>
  5) Re: Viagra
	by ModelerAl <ModelerAl@aol.com>
  6) Re: Throttle
	by bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer)
  7) Whippet
	by Joey Valenciano <joeyval@philonline.com.ph>
  8) Re: Book found on the net
	by Graham Nash <graham.nash@citicorp.com>
  9) Re: Dulling Future Finishes
	by kevinkim@interlog.com (Kevin & Kimberley Barrett)
 10) Re: Viagra
	by Don RInker <drinker@fast.net>
 11) I'm back
	by Bob Pearson <bpearson@kaien.com>
 12) Re: I'm back
	by "Paul Schwartzkopf" <PSchwartzkopf@transcrypt.com>
 13) Re: I'm back and WWI Aero
	by KarrArt <KarrArt@aol.com>
 14) Re: I'm back and WWI Aero
	by TPT PUMPER <TPTPUMPER@aol.com>
 15) Re: I'm back
	by "Brad Gossen" <bigglesrfc@globalserve.net>
 16) Bandy books (was Re: I'm back)
	by Bob Pearson <bpearson@kaien.com>
 17) AM purchase
	by Bob Pearson <bpearson@kaien.com>
 18) Re: Viagra
	by REwing <REwing@aol.com>
 19) Re: Throttle
	by Ernest Thomas <ethomas6@bellsouth.net>
 20) AEQ inquiry
	by Charles Hart <hartc@spot.colorado.edu>
 21) Toko Snipe
	by Shane Weier <SDW@qld.mim.com.au>

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Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 20:56:55 -0500
From: Bill Bacon <wbacon@netjava.net>
To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" <wwi>
Subject: Home safe and sound
Message-ID: <3558FDE7.C60D3C71@netjava.net>

My wife, Pat, and arrived home in fine shape.  The time we spent in Mesa
was great.  A chance to put faces with names and enjoy the company of
list members.  Thank you all for making the seminar so enjoyable.  You
are a great bunch and I am honored to consider you friends.

Cheers,

Bill B.


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Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 21:54:06 -0600
From: "S.M.Sundberg" <sms@netins.net>
To: wwi
Subject: Dulling Future Finishes
Message-ID: <3559195D.3192@netins.net>

There was a comment by someone recently about mixing something with
Future as a final coat to either dull it down or to tone down the
colors.  I've got a Sierra H-B W.29 that I'm trying to finish by this
weekend for a little local contest, and I think it needs something. 
I've been afraid to spray the flat on for fear of totally decompensating
when the "frost" appears.  I would appreciate a reprise of that
suggestion.

TIA

Steve Sundberg

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Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 22:55:11 -0500
From: Ernest Thomas <ethomas6@bellsouth.net>
To: multiple recipients of list <wwi>
Subject: Throttle
Message-ID: <3559199F.27C@bellsouth.net>

Does anyone know where the throttle is located on the SVA? TIA.

Ernest

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Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 22:12:29 -0700
From: Charles Hart <hartc@spot.colorado.edu>
To: wwi
Subject: Re: Throttle
Message-ID: <l03102800b17edc18f60d@[128.138.153.98]>

>Does anyone know where the throttle is located on the SVA? TIA.
>
>Ernest

   Hopefully it was in a position where the pilot could easily grasp it.

Charles

hartc@spot.colorado.edu



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Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 00:12:25 EDT
From: ModelerAl <ModelerAl@aol.com>
To: wwi
Subject: Re: Viagra
Message-ID: <e84b1db4.35591dab@aol.com>

In a message dated 5/12/98 7:28:20 PM Central Daylight Time, Glen Broman
wrote:

> Perhaps it could turn the floppy into a hard drive ?
>  Right, sorry,  back to the bench... 

     And *stay* there......   ;)

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Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 22:04:33 -0700 (PDT)
From: bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer)
To: wwi
Subject: Re: Throttle
Message-ID: <199805130504.WAA19483@ednet1.orednet.org>



>
>Does anyone know where the throttle is located on the SVA? TIA.
>
>Ernest


It seems to be on the left cockpit sidewall.


Cheers and all,


--
                     Bill Shatzer   - bshatzer@orednet.org



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Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 14:28:13 +0800
From: Joey Valenciano <joeyval@philonline.com.ph>
To: wwi
Subject: Whippet
Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19980513142813.0071c4e4@philonline.com.ph>

Hi Bob,

I couldn't send you this message direct......

>Does anyone
>know if there is also one for the Whippet?

I have AFV News #7, "Medium Tanks Marks A-D".

Format is much like the Profile series but it's slightly larger and
contains twice as many pages. A lot of good info here. Do you want to loan
it for scanning? Alternatively, I could find someone with a scanner, do it
over here and shoot the data to you.

Which would be better?

BTW, I was an armour freak before I got into WWI aviation. WWI armour is
still on topic as far as my modelling interests are concerned. I would like
ALL of the scanned AFV pages (except for Armour in Profile No.1: Tank Mark
IV, which I have) if possible. Who's the list member with the large hard
drive?


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Joey Valenciano               WW1 modeller, teacher, jazz musician, 
joeyval@pusit.admu.edu.ph     sitarist 
Metro-Manila, Philippines

            "The more you know, the more you don't know."

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*********************************************************************

Joey Valenciano               WW1 modeller, teacher, jazz musician, 
joeyval@pusit.admu.edu.ph     sitarist 
Metro-Manila, Philippines

            "The more you know, the more you don't know."

*********************************************************************


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Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 08:59:24 -0700
From: Graham Nash <graham.nash@citicorp.com>
To: wwi
Subject: Re: Book found on the net
Message-ID: <199805130748.AA07670@egate2.citicorp.com>

Andy Kemp wrote:
> 
> Does this guy have a website?? As I live in Halifax I ought to have a look
> .
> 
> Andy K
> 
> >     Website: The Military Collector

Try

http://www.sonic.net/~bstone/military/

Regards

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Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 06:38:57 -0500
From: kevinkim@interlog.com (Kevin & Kimberley Barrett)
To: wwi
Subject: Re: Dulling Future Finishes
Message-ID: <v01530501b17f360019c9@[207.34.203.33]>

Steve wrote:

>There was a comment by someone recently about mixing something with
>Future as a final coat to either dull it down or to tone down the
>colors.  I've got a Sierra H-B W.29 that I'm trying to finish by this
>weekend for a little local contest, and I think it needs something.
>I've been afraid to spray the flat on for fear of totally decompensating
>when the "frost" appears.  I would appreciate a reprise of that
>suggestion.
>


Steve,

If I remember correctly, the suggestion was to mix Future with clear flat
(like Polly S or Microsol). I tried this once after the suggestion came up,
but must not have used a high enough proportion of clear flat, since it
still looked like a Future finish.

Kevin Barrett.



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Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 07:23:29 -0400
From: Don RInker <drinker@fast.net>
To: wwi
Subject: Re: Viagra
Message-ID: <355982B1.2D79@fast.net>

ModelerAl wrote:
> 
> In a message dated 5/12/98 7:28:20 PM Central Daylight Time, Glen Broman
> wrote:
> 
> > Perhaps it could turn the floppy into a hard drive ?
> >  Right, sorry,  back to the bench...
> 
>      And *stay* there......   ;)

Some guy came up with something new last week.
A mixture of Rogain and Viagra.

The equipment works, but you can't find it....  ;-)

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Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 09:28:37 -0700
From: Bob Pearson <bpearson@kaien.com>
To: WW1 Mailing list <wwi>
Subject: I'm back
Message-ID: <16283792418941@KAIEN.COM>


Greetings all,

Three cheers for me ! ! !  I'm back. Seems I somehow screwed up my inbox and
the moment my ISP cleaned it out it would be flooded with over 3500 messages
from the list, all trying to get in at once. The solution?  I had to
unsubscribe so the next time they deleted my file all those extra messages
would stop trying to come visit, and then voila, this morning the true count
of 75 messages popped in. I have now resubscribed.

I would like to know how 3500 messages suddenly started coming my way :-)

Regards,
       Bob Pearson

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Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 11:34:51 -0500
From: "Paul Schwartzkopf" <PSchwartzkopf@transcrypt.com>
To: wwi
Subject: Re: I'm back
Message-ID: <s559857b.099@transcrypt.com>

Welcome back, Bob!

> I would like to know how 3500 messages suddenly started coming my way =
:-)

Put on your Viking helmet and start singing "Spam, Spam, Spam, Spam....."=
=20




Paul A. Schwartzkopf


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Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 12:56:56 EDT
From: KarrArt <KarrArt@aol.com>
To: wwi
Subject: Re: I'm back and WWI Aero
Message-ID: <a7825bac.3559d0d9@aol.com>

In a message dated 98-05-13 12:35:33 EDT, you write:

<< 
 Welcome back, Bob!
 
 > I would like to know how 3500 messages suddenly started coming my way =
 :-)
 
 Put on your Viking helmet and start singing "Spam, Spam, Spam, Spam....." >>

Lovely Spam! Wonderful Spam!...uh.. oh excuse me.....Just finished reading the
new WW I Aero that arrived a few days ago ( No 160 May 1998).Good stuff on
DH9A interior fittings, Liberty Engine history and a neat article about a guy
named Laurence Driggs- he's the one who actually wrote Rickenbacker's Fighting
the Flying Circus. All this plus the usual obvious philosophical pondering on
What Does It All Mean? and    AND.......a review of the book Victoria Cross:WW
I Airmen and Their Aircraft which mentions a certain lovely and talented
artist. I quote form the review:
"and fine color plates by Bob Pearson"
Way to go Bob!
Robert K.

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Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 14:48:24 EDT
From: TPT PUMPER <TPTPUMPER@aol.com>
To: wwi
Subject: Re: I'm back and WWI Aero
Message-ID: <b54a1b48.3559eaf9@aol.com>

Hi Guys!

   Re the Rickenbacker Autobio, CV Glines is at UTD library on Tuesdays
researching Jimmy Doolittle.  He and I were talking about "Rick".  He was
asked to write the book but turned it down, as he was still in the military at
the time.  So they asked around a little more and got Mr. Driggs.

Have Fun!!

IRA

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Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 14:52:37 -0400
From: "Brad Gossen" <bigglesrfc@globalserve.net>
To: <wwi>
Subject: Re: I'm back
Message-ID: <199805131854.OAA16704@smtp1.globalserve.net>

Greetings O isolated one!

     Speaking of three cheers for you, I was checking out new releases at
Aviation World and low and behold a new tome from Mr. Jack entitled 'Hitler
Versus Me'. Bart Bandy has returned once more and this time he has turned
in his trusty Sopwith Dolphin for one of those one winged, metal,
Vickers-Supermarine thingeys! 
     For those of you un-initiated I refer to the Bandy Papers by Donald
Jack, the first volume being 'Three Cheers For Me'. This latest book must
be at least volume seven! Highly recommended WW1 flying fiction from a
Canadian perspective. As I believe Bob has gushed over these in previous
postings I'll shut up now.

Brad

----------
> From: Bob Pearson <bpearson@kaien.com>
> To: Multiple recipients of list <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
> Subject: I'm back
> Date: Wednesday, May 13, 1998 12:29 PM
> 
> 
> Greetings all,
> 
> Three cheers for me ! ! !  I'm back. Seems I somehow screwed up my inbox
and
> the moment my ISP cleaned it out it would be flooded with over 3500
messages
> from the list, all trying to get in at once. The solution?  I had to
> unsubscribe so the next time they deleted my file all those extra
messages
> would stop trying to come visit, and then voila, this morning the true
count
> of 75 messages popped in. I have now resubscribed.
> 
> I would like to know how 3500 messages suddenly started coming my way :-)
> 
> Regards,
>        Bob Pearson

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Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 12:25:04 -0700
From: Bob Pearson <bpearson@kaien.com>
To: WW1 Mailing list <wwi>
Subject: Bandy books (was Re: I'm back)
Message-ID: <19250469719372@KAIEN.COM>


Actually this is volume nine. the previous ones are . . . 

THREE CHEERS FOR ME
THAT'S ME IN THE MIDDLE
IT'S ME AGAIN
ME AMONG THE RUINS
ME BANDY, YOU CISSIE
ME TOO 
THIS ONE'S ON ME
ME SO FAR

In some volumes THAT'S ME AMONG THE RUINS is incorporated in IT'S ME
AGAIN.

Guess I have to make a trip to the local book seller's establishment.

Bob Pearson
----------
> From: "Brad Gossen" <bigglesrfc@globalserve.net>
> To: Multiple recipients of list <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
> Subject: Re: I'm back
> Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 14:56:52 -0400
> 
> Greetings O isolated one!
> 
>      Speaking of three cheers for you, I was checking out new releases at
> Aviation World and low and behold a new tome from Mr. Jack entitled
'Hitler
> Versus Me'. Bart Bandy has returned once more and this time he has turned
> in his trusty Sopwith Dolphin for one of those one winged, metal,
> Vickers-Supermarine thingeys! 
>      For those of you un-initiated I refer to the Bandy Papers by Donald
> Jack, the first volume being 'Three Cheers For Me'. This latest book must
> be at least volume seven! Highly recommended WW1 flying fiction from a
> Canadian perspective. As I believe Bob has gushed over these in previous
> postings I'll shut up now.
> 
> Brad
> 
> ----------
> > From: Bob Pearson <bpearson@kaien.com>
> > To: Multiple recipients of list <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
> > Subject: I'm back
> > Date: Wednesday, May 13, 1998 12:29 PM
> > 
> > 
> > Greetings all,
> > 
> > Three cheers for me ! ! !  I'm back. Seems I somehow screwed up my inbox
> and
> > the moment my ISP cleaned it out it would be flooded with over 3500
> messages
> > from the list, all trying to get in at once. The solution?  I had to
> > unsubscribe so the next time they deleted my file all those extra
> messages
> > would stop trying to come visit, and then voila, this morning the true
> count
> > of 75 messages popped in. I have now resubscribed.
> > 
> > I would like to know how 3500 messages suddenly started coming my way
:-)
> > 
> > Regards,
> >        Bob Pearson


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Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 13:03:58 -0700
From: Bob Pearson <bpearson@kaien.com>
To: WW1 Mailing list <wwi>
Subject: AM purchase
Message-ID: <20035872319444@KAIEN.COM>


Greetings all,

UPS just delivered a parcel to me door - it was the Aerodrome Modeler we
have been talking about for the past two months.

I would like to thank all of you who have contributed to my acquiring this
and I will now be moving to a new city and resubscribing under a new name -
just kidding :-). However I will count all the pages later and we can then
get an idea as to what is involved in copying it either as xerox or CD-ROM
form. However there is nowhere near as many pages as I thought there would
be - perhaps 500 to 600 at the most. 

All the tank pages I have been scanning have been scanned at 150dpi, which
should be more than adequate for AM as well if printed out at the higher
settings on your computer, and they result in a file size in the area of
600k per page. As mentioned before HTML could be an idea for a CD-ROM if
Chris, Bill or someone wants to do that. However we would still  need access
to a CD-R to make the 25+ copies for those who contributed to the fund (I
kept everyone's envelope in case I forgot to cross your name off the list,
and will check on them later tonight). Most paid $15, but a few paid $10 so
the fund currently sits at $200 in the bank plus another $32 that I have to
add to it when I next go to the bank.

Regards,
     Bob Pearson

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Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 17:45:42 EDT
From: REwing <REwing@aol.com>
To: wwi
Subject: Re: Viagra
Message-ID: <3e091849.355a1487@aol.com>

<<  Perhaps it could turn the floppy into a hard drive ?
        Right, sorry,  back to the bench...
  
       And *stay* there......   ;)>>
 
    Of course this brings up the fact that computers are better than women.
The computer will always take a 3.5 in. floppy!  LOL!!!

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Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 17:07:36 -0500
From: Ernest Thomas <ethomas6@bellsouth.net>
To: wwi
Subject: Re: Throttle
Message-ID: <355A19A8.314B@bellsouth.net>

Bill Shatzer wrote:

> 
> It seems to be on the left cockpit sidewall.
> 
> Cheers and all,
> 
> --
>                      Bill Shatzer   - bshatzer@orednet.org

Thanks, Any idea what it looks like? Is it a fokker type, JN-4 Type? 
Something else? Seems to be the only thing not covered in the datafile.
E.

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Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 18:01:39 -0700
From: Charles Hart <hartc@spot.colorado.edu>
To: wwi
Subject: AEQ inquiry
Message-ID: <l03102804b17ff278cfbd@[128.138.153.98]>

Greetings All,

     Does anyone on this list posess a copy of Air Enthusiast Quarterly #11
?  I lack this issue in my collection and I was wondering what it contains.
Any WW I related content ?

TIA

Charles

hartc@spot.colorado.edu



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Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 10:19:46 +1000
From: Shane Weier <SDW@qld.mim.com.au>
To: "'wwi'" <wwi>
Subject: Toko Snipe
Message-ID: <199805140036.KAA06955@mimmon.mim.com.au>

Hi all,

Last night at a club meeting I had the chance to look a little more
carefully over the Toko Snipe, with Datafile in hand.

I must say that my friend (and owner of the kit) was right about the
fuselage being overlong. This applies not just in laying the parts over
the Datafile plans (by Col Owers BTW) but in comparison to the photos
where the look is clearly way too long and slender. 

However the model is NOT overscale. The proportions are correct if you
start at the firewall and work backwards. Fuselage profile is then
correct, with cockpit opening in the proper place, wing opening
likewise, footsteps correctly positioned. However, the step for the
tailplane is nounted about 5mm too far aft, and the tailpost is also 5mm
too far back. It seems reasonably simple to chop off the last (about)
5mm, file a new step and move the tail forward to recreate the short and
dumpy look of the original. 

However that would leave a squared off ass end on the fuselage, so some
filing, or  trimming of the mating faces to get the taper right will be
needed.

Upper wing (the whole kit actually) is the later style, so it has the
horn balance ailerons. I think the balance area is much too small and
might repay some extension, however I'm also not convinced they should
be quite as big as they appear on Cols Datafile plans. When I build mine
(July 2016) I'll take a happy medium.

Aside from that the kit looks fine in outline. The rudder/tailfin is a
bit thick, but 5 minutes with a sheet of 15thou will fix that, you may
question the extent of the gun decking "hump" which is narrower
front-rear than the drawings, but I can't find a photo which clearly
shows whether Toko or Col Owers is right.

Nice kit, at A$12 (about US$7.50) it's astonishing value for money after
years of struggling to get far worse kits into shape.

Shane

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