WWI Digest 1015 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Bromowski Distribution camo on HB D.I by perrysm@juno.com 2) RE: Bromowski Distribution camo on HB D.I by "Dr. Phillip Anz-Meador" 3) RE: Bromowski Distribution by Charles Hart 4) Fokker Stiching by perrysm@juno.com 5) Re: Bromowski Distribution by TPT PUMPER 6) Re: Fokker Stiching by TPT PUMPER 7) RE: SWORL FABRIC anyone listening ???? by bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) 8) Re: Albatros III OEF & Swirl Camo: by "David R.L. Laws" 9) Re: Albatros III OEF & Swirl Camo: by "David R.L. Laws" 10) RE: "Offensive Patrol" by Bob Pearson 11) Re: SWORL CAMOFLAGE by "Leonard Endy" 12) Re: Capronis by Michelle and Rory Goodwin 13) Re: Capronis by Bob Pearson 14) Capronis & Rumpler Gs by Charles Hart 15) Re: Fokker Stiching by Charles Hart 16) RE: Fokker Stiching by Shane Weier 17) SWORL FABRIC, chapter and verse by Charles Hart 18) Re: Capronis & Rumpler Gs by Graham Nash 19) Re: "Offensive Patrol" by "Sandy Adam" 20) Re: Capronis by mbittner@juno.com 21) Re: Capronis by mbittner@juno.com 22) Thank you's by "Sandy Adam" 23) Re: Albatros III OEF & Swirl Camo: by Matthew Zivich 24) Re: Albatros III OEF & Swirl Camo: by Matthew Zivich 25) Re: Albatros III OEF & Swirl Camo: by Bob Pearson 26) Re: "Offensive Patrol" by Patrick Padovan 27) Re: "Offensive Patrol" by Patrick Padovan ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 16:38:10 -0400 From: perrysm@juno.com To: wwi Subject: Bromowski Distribution camo on HB D.I Message-ID: <19980507.163811.12454.1.perrysm@juno.com> > I, too, have not yet seen the photo of the HB D.I in the new FMP book. If this photo >isn't the so-called "Bromowski Distribution," type of camo, could it be some other >hand-painted pattern? RE the above from Patrick, I just received a 1:72 Bromowski Distribution sheet from A/G. The printed page with the sheet mentions the possibility that some HB D.1s were done in this camo and the sheet included decals for that aircraft as well as for several Alb. D.IIIs. I believe Phillip said he had the FMP A-H book and would check it. Phillip, please let us know if the photo of the D.I mentioned earlier in the thread is distinct enough to show if it is the Bromowski Distribution or another scheme. If it is the Bromowski Distribution, then I'll hang on to that portion of the sheet till Toko comes out with their HB D.I. If anyone is going to do a 1:72 Albatros in Bromowski Distribution camo, the first e-mail can have them. Steven Perry perrysm@juno.com _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 16:07:09 -0500 From: "Dr. Phillip Anz-Meador" To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Bromowski Distribution camo on HB D.I Message-ID: <01BD79D2.309F9620.panz-meador@vsti.com> steven: yes, the photo distinctly shows hand-painted swirls in a light color against a darker background. the swirls are mostly "C" to spiral shaped, though some wrap around other figures so as to fill the available area. assuming the relative tonality to be correct, i.e. the film mimiced the eye's response in a reasonable fashion (note 1 below), i'd have to ask if the darker color is the CDL that was apparently the color of choice for D.i wings, or were the wings painted a dark color? since several of you have asked about this, i'll prepare a drawing of the swirl "brumowski dist." this weekend as a JPG file. let me know if interested, as i was already going to do this anyway in anticipation of the toko d.i. phillip (note 1) beastly sorry to appear cranky on this point, but one need only look at RAF pix from the 1940 period to see lots of roundels outlined in what appears to be a black ring. this was actually a yellow ring, as usual, but the film was not yellow sensitive. the same problem is seen in pictures of the great nebula in the constellation orion. pictures in magazines such as astronomy and sky & telescope invariably show the nebula as red-pink-blue. if you look at it with your eye, it's orange and green, due to the spectral emission of oxygen. therefore, a knowledge of the film's response is a prerequisite before an accurate assessment of colors can be made. -----Original Message----- From: perrysm@juno.com [SMTP:perrysm@juno.com] Sent: Thursday, May 07, 1998 3:39 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Bromowski Distribution camo on HB D.I > I, too, have not yet seen the photo of the HB D.I in the new FMP book. If this photo >isn't the so-called "Bromowski Distribution," type of camo, could it be some other >hand-painted pattern? RE the above from Patrick, I just received a 1:72 Bromowski Distribution sheet from A/G. The printed page with the sheet mentions the possibility that some HB D.1s were done in this camo and the sheet included decals for that aircraft as well as for several Alb. D.IIIs. I believe Phillip said he had the FMP A-H book and would check it. Phillip, please let us know if the photo of the D.I mentioned earlier in the thread is distinct enough to show if it is the Bromowski Distribution or another scheme. If it is the Bromowski Distribution, then I'll hang on to that portion of the sheet till Toko comes out with their HB D.I. If anyone is going to do a 1:72 Albatros in Bromowski Distribution camo, the first e-mail can have them. Steven Perry perrysm@juno.com _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 15:47:32 -0700 From: Charles Hart To: wwi Subject: RE: Bromowski Distribution Message-ID: >steven: > >yes, the photo distinctly shows hand-painted swirls in a light color >against a darker background. the swirls are mostly "C" to spiral shaped, >though some wrap around other figures so as to fill the available area. > assuming the relative tonality to be correct, i.e. the film mimiced the >eye's response in a reasonable fashion (note 1 below), i'd have to ask if >the darker color is the CDL that >was apparently the color of choice for D.i wings, or were the wings painted >a dark color? > >since several of you have asked about this, i'll prepare a drawing of the >swirl "brumowski dist." this weekend as a JPG file. let me know if >interested, as i was already going to do this anyway in anticipation of the >toko d.i. > >phillip > >(note 1) beastly sorry to appear cranky on this point, but one need only >look at RAF pix from the 1940 period to see lots of roundels outlined in >what appears to be a black ring. this was actually a yellow ring, as >usual, but the film was not yellow sensitive. the same problem is seen in >pictures of the great nebula in the constellation orion. pictures in >magazines such as astronomy and sky & telescope invariably show the nebula >as red-pink-blue. if you look at it with your eye, it's orange and green, >due to the spectral emission of oxygen. therefore, a knowledge of the >film's response is a prerequisite before an accurate assessment of colors >can be made. > Yes, most photos taken during WW I were made with orthochromatic film, hence yellows, reds and also greens appear quite dark in prints made from these negatives. Base color for the "Brumowski distribution" is thought to be a medium green. This is what the decals show. Its also found in several books, not just Datafiles. Another factor to be considered in interpreting shades of grey to FS or Methuen numbers is how far removed the print or book you are looking at is removed from an original print. I can tell you from personal experience that it only takes one generation of copying old pictures with copy negatives to start throwing off the greys found in old photos. Charles hartc@spot.colorado.edu ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 18:17:49 -0400 From: perrysm@juno.com To: wwi Subject: Fokker Stiching Message-ID: <19980507.181750.11886.1.perrysm@juno.com> I've built two models of the Fokker D.VIII, the Eduard 1:72 and the DML 1:48. On both kits the loz decal for the bottom of the fuselage has stiching drawn on the centerline. I assume that the stiching was there for the purpose of drawing the fuselage covering tight, so my question is this: Did they make a fabric "sock" out of both upper and lower surface loz fabric and draw it all together with the stiches or did the stiching just draw the lower surface fabric on the bottom together? Based on limited experience covering steel tube fuselages in 1:1 scale, I lean towards a "sock" made of two different kinds of printed fabric. If this was so, then were there any renforcing tapes applied to the seam between the upper surface loz fabric and the lower surface loz fabric along the lower longeron? If so, would the same rules of thumb for colors apply as on rib tapes? The only drawings & photos I have of the D.VIII do not show the bottom of the fuselage and the lower longeron is either in shadow or too indestinct to say for sure. Can anyone educate me on this point? TIA Steven Perry perrysm@juno.com _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 19:00:25 EDT From: TPT PUMPER To: wwi Subject: Re: Bromowski Distribution Message-ID: <8c6edd44.35523d0b@aol.com> Hi Guys! Charles Hart wrote: > Another factor to be considered in interpreting shades of grey to FS > or Methuen numbers is how far removed the print or book you are looking at > is removed from an original print. I can tell you from personal experience > that it only takes one generation of copying old pictures with copy > negatives to start throwing off the greys found in old photos. > I whole-heartredly agree, also based on personal experience. Very true. Have Fun!! IRA ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 19:10:57 EDT From: TPT PUMPER To: wwi Subject: Re: Fokker Stiching Message-ID: <6112014a.35523f82@aol.com> Hi Steve! You are correct, sir! The D.VII was covered with a sock made of five pieces of fabric--top, left and right sides, and two bottom "half-pieces. The stitching gathered the sock at the bottom. As reinforcement, the fuselage tubes were wrapped in fabric. Talk about a source for unbleached original loz fabric! It's been done! Have Fun!! IRA ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 16:30:44 -0700 (PDT) From: bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) To: wwi Subject: RE: SWORL FABRIC anyone listening ???? Message-ID: <199805072330.QAA11407@ednet1.orednet.org> Phillip writes: > >charles: point made. everyone knows that such exotica as sworl >fabric-covered albatri aren't available for analysis. however, it is not >clear that no records of the fabric exist. records in this case consisting >of patterns, colors used, etc. in particular, it would be interesting to >know more about the "fabric experts who have examined the Austrian fabric". > it's just the classic investigator's questions of who, what, when, where, >how, and why? all of which may prove to be a _dead end_. to summarize >the current knowledge, > (a) the pattern, based on b/w photos, contains at least 3 colors and >probably 4 colors. > (b) the pattern is either hand-painted or silk-screened. -snips- Forgive my ignorance but how was the conclusion of "either hand-painted or silk screened" arrived at? Why could it not have been printed fabric in a manner similar to the German lozenge? I'm not disputing the conclusion - just wondering what it is about the existing photographs which rules out more prosaic and less expensive means of transfering this pattern to the fabric. Cheers and all, -- Bill Shatzer - bshatzer@orednet.org ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 08 May 1998 10:45:47 +0000 From: "David R.L. Laws" To: wwi Subject: Re: Albatros III OEF & Swirl Camo: Message-ID: <3552E25C.6392@webtime.com.au> Matt, Mea Culpa ! - I failed to express myself clearly ... I'm aware of the printed fabric- I only thought Peter was looking for information on the alternative " home grown " hand-painted versions of this scheme. Hope the List Detective has success with the manufacturers - That would be a real coup ! REGARDS DAVID ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 08 May 1998 10:53:25 +0000 From: "David R.L. Laws" To: wwi Subject: Re: Albatros III OEF & Swirl Camo: Message-ID: <3552E425.35F7@webtime.com.au> Matthew Zivich wrote: > Based on Phillip A-M's recent research on the firm that printed the fabric and his comments apparently based on the company's website ("Art Deco-ey"), Jugenstil was alive and well and made its mark on the War. (If you are familiar with the art work of Mackentosh and the Glasgow School or the floral designs of the Amer. Arch. Louis Sullivan you'll see a similarity because of this pervasive international style.) Absolutely agree . BTW and to support your argument Windsock had a cut of the " marbled fly leaf of a book sometime back which has a striking ( identical ? ) correspondence with printed fabric pattern REGARDS DAVID Didn't Norman Rockwell or a couple of his interior designers also favour the use of some of these patterns ? Only a vague and perhaps confused ? memory surfacing as I ponder on this topic ...appropo of the Arts and Crafts School/ Movement ... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 18:31:30 -0700 From: Bob Pearson To: WW1 Mailing list Subject: RE: "Offensive Patrol" Message-ID: <01313089010815@KAIEN.COM> Patrick, If you enjoy 'Offensive Patrol' then you should seek out a copy of 'Into the Blue', which is Macmillan's autobiography of his service with No.45 Sqn while flying the 1 1/2 Strutter and Camel. regards, Bob Pearson ---------- > From: Patrick Padovan > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: RE: "Offensive Patrol" > Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 15:53:34 -0400 > > Gentlemen: I just wanted to say "Thanks!" to whomever it was, who last > week mentioned the title, "Offensive Patrol," by Norman Macmillan, about > the RFC/RNAS/RAF on the Italian front, 1917-1918. I received the book > yesterday, and have been enjoying it enormously. Sorry I don't recall who > it was that mentioned it on the list, but thanks for doing so. > Ciao! Patrick > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Patrick Padovan > e-mail: ppadovan@timberland.lib.wa.us > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 08 May 1998 01:51:18 GMT From: "Leonard Endy" To: wwi Subject: Re: SWORL CAMOFLAGE Message-ID: <3552634b.960565@legend.firstsaga.com> On Thu, 7 May 1998 02:40:39 -0400, you wrote: >Peter et al, > >You will find a good example of painted sworl at p. 34 of FMP's new >Brandenburg D I book - I have it on Order so don't have a copy right now >shows one version of the hand-painted finish anyway > I have the book and the picture is fairly clear. Thanks to Bob Pearson I know now that this was a two color pattern, or at least it appears as such. The sworls are definitely light colored (ochre) over a dark (some shade of green ?) undersurface. The sworls for the most part look somewhat like the numeral "6" in some aspects. Fortunately the rib stations are visible which will allow me estimate that there are approx. 3 sworls between the rib stations. They are not aligned evenly by any stretch of the imagination. The effect is somewhat akin to seeing white liquid shoe polish on an automobile. Should be fairly easy, if not time consuming, to duplicate. Once I finish the W.29 I'm working on I'll start the D.I and give it a shot. Len ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 May 1998 19:49:32 -0700 From: Michelle and Rory Goodwin To: wwi Subject: Re: Capronis Message-ID: <355272BC.164C@ricochet.net> Jim Elkins wrote: > > Riordan, > > This book is available... Thanks for the tip, Jim. I've recently acquired a copy in fair shape for half the AOW asking price, and it'll be on indefinite loan to the list library as soon as I'm done reading it. It's what rekindled my present interest in Capronis. Anyone got a Merlin Caproni they don't need? Cheers, Riordan ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 20:10:34 -0700 From: Bob Pearson To: WW1 Mailing list Subject: Re: Capronis Message-ID: <03103416611059@KAIEN.COM> > Thanks for the tip, Jim. I've recently acquired a copy in fair shape for > half the AOW asking price, and it'll be on indefinite loan to the list > library as soon as I'm done reading it. It's what rekindled my present > interest in Capronis. > Anyone got a Merlin Caproni they don't need? > > Cheers, > > Riordan -------- Nope, but I may be getting a Meikraft Caproni in the near future, has anyone built this kit yet? Regards, Bob Pearson ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 21:32:05 -0700 From: Charles Hart To: wwi Subject: Capronis & Rumpler Gs Message-ID: >Jim Elkins wrote: >> >> Riordan, >> >> This book is available... > >Thanks for the tip, Jim. I've recently acquired a copy in fair shape for >half the AOW asking price, and it'll be on indefinite loan to the list >library as soon as I'm done reading it. It's what rekindled my present >interest in Capronis. >Anyone got a Merlin Caproni they don't need? > >Cheers, > >Riordan Dunno about a Merlin Caproni, didn't know they made one. I found this on one of the Hannants lists Graham posted a couple of days back: CC132 Meikraft 1:72 Caproni. The most difficult kit ever made? 1 left 54.95 Price is in GBP so I think it is out of Darius' league. Saw one of these once, nice cast metal, but at this price I can do a lot of scratch building. Any one seen the newest Merlin, a Rumpler G-I ?? Not that I'm expecting much. Charles hartc@spot.colorado.edu ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 21:36:17 -0700 From: Charles Hart To: wwi Subject: Re: Fokker Stiching Message-ID: >I've built two models of the Fokker D.VIII, the Eduard 1:72 and the DML >1:48. On both kits the loz decal for the bottom of the fuselage has >stiching drawn on the centerline. > >I assume that the stiching was there for the purpose of drawing the >fuselage covering tight, so my question is this: > >Did they make a fabric "sock" out of both upper and lower surface loz >fabric and draw it all together with the stiches or did the stiching just >draw the lower surface fabric on the bottom together? > >Based on limited experience covering steel tube fuselages in 1:1 scale, I >lean towards a "sock" made of two different kinds of printed fabric. If >this was so, then were there any renforcing tapes applied to the seam >between the upper surface loz fabric and the lower surface loz fabric >along the lower longeron? If so, would the same rules of thumb for colors >apply as on rib tapes? > >The only drawings & photos I have of the D.VIII do not show the bottom of >the fuselage and the lower longeron is either in shadow or too indestinct >to say for sure. Can anyone educate me on this point? > >TIA >Steven Perry >perrysm@juno.com > I don't believe that the corners of the fuselage, corresponding to the fabric seam panels, were taped. Some one the other day wondered about fabric seams on wings. These seem to have been kept away from the rib stations and as far as I can tell were not taped. Charles hartc@spot.colorado.edu ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 13:39:43 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: wwi Subject: RE: Fokker Stiching Message-ID: <199805080359.NAA09085@mimmon.mim.com.au> Charles posts: > I don't believe that the corners of the fuselage, corresponding to the >fabric seam panels, were taped. Some one the other day wondered about >fabric seams on wings. These seem to have been kept away from the rib >stations and as far as I can tell were not taped. This is entirely correct. The joins in the fabric are kept away from rib stations because the rib places the greatest localised strain on the fabric, and the joins are the weakest point in the fabric. I have no doubt someone will find me an example where this doesn't hold true in practice, but lengthy perusal of hundreds of photos suggest to me that it's normal, if not universal. Regards Shane ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 22:14:59 -0700 From: Charles Hart To: wwi Subject: SWORL FABRIC, chapter and verse Message-ID: The relevant article from the Cross & Cockade International series by the late Marty O'Connor is found in vol. 19, no. 2 from 1988, Markings and camouflage of Austro-Hungarian aircraft in World War One - Part 10. This part of the series deals with Albatros D-III (Oef) Series 253 Fighters. On page 87 is a clear reproduction of the photo showing undoped fabric behind a wing frame. Apparently O'Connor, after obtaining this photo established contact with one Max Wirth of Riehen, Switzerland. Wirth was on the board of directors of the Swiss Air Force Museum and worked for 30+ years in the fabric printing and dyeing industry. Wirth answered inquiries from O'Connor on this fabric, but no sources are quoted. Wirth stated that the fabric was produced by J. Backhausen & Son of Vienna and that this firm went out of business at the end of WW II. (Based on finding a web site for this firm the reader can draw his own conclusions about Mr. Wirth's knowledge of the industry) Wirth also stated that the fabric was hand screened, since the pattern was too complex for machine roller printing of the time (huh ??). Wirth produced a small painting of this pattern, reproduced in black and white on page 89 of this issue. Wirth claimed that he had had the photo in question subjected to spectophotometric analysis and concluded that there were three colors used in the fabric Greyish Yellow (Methuen 4B6), light brown (7D7) and Deep Green (27E8). O'Connor writes that he independently came to the conclusion that these exact colors were used in this fabric. Wirth firther stated that the fourth color of grey was the result of overlap of the dye colors. Wirth's painting of the pattern has only 3 shades of grey in it and O'Connor admits that "Wirth's color painting had omitted these areas of overlap for the sake of clarity." This article is the basis for all I have subsequently seen written about this fabric. Wirth's painting is reproduced by Alan Durkota in the FMP Austro-Hungarian Army A/C book without modification. This is also the source for the Blue Rider decal of this subject. Someone out there want to let me see their decal from the HitKit ??? I've never seen this. The article has photos showing a total of 4 series 253 aircraft, two of these in Polish markings, bearing this printed fabric. This is my synopsis of the original writing. C&CI volume 19 is still available as back issues. C&CI only sells back issues as complete volumes. IIRC this one goes for about US$25.00 plus post. Draw your own conclusions. Charles hartc@spot.colorado.edu >Phillip writes: >> >>charles: point made. everyone knows that such exotica as sworl >>fabric-covered albatri aren't available for analysis. however, it is not >>clear that no records of the fabric exist. records in this case consisting >>of patterns, colors used, etc. in particular, it would be interesting to >>know more about the "fabric experts who have examined the Austrian fabric". >> it's just the classic investigator's questions of who, what, when, where, >>how, and why? all of which may prove to be a _dead end_. to summarize >>the current knowledge, > >> (a) the pattern, based on b/w photos, contains at least 3 colors and >>probably 4 colors. >> (b) the pattern is either hand-painted or silk-screened. > >-snips- > >Forgive my ignorance but how was the conclusion of "either hand-painted >or silk screened" arrived at? Why could it not have been printed fabric >in a manner similar to the German lozenge? > >I'm not disputing the conclusion - just wondering what it is >about the existing photographs which rules out more prosaic >and less expensive means of transfering this pattern to the fabric. > >Cheers and all, > >-- > Bill Shatzer - bshatzer@orednet.org ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 08 May 1998 09:23:29 -0700 From: Graham Nash To: wwi Subject: Re: Capronis & Rumpler Gs Message-ID: <199805080812.AA24198@egate2.citicorp.com> Charles Hart wrote: > > Any one seen the newest Merlin, a Rumpler G-I ?? Not that I'm > expecting much. Do you mean a Brandenburg G-1? I'd not seen a Rumpler G on any list of releases, but what do I know? :^) Graham ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 09:34:57 +0100 From: "Sandy Adam" To: Subject: Re: "Offensive Patrol" Message-ID: <199805080921.KAA13670@beryl.sol.co.uk> I think it was probably me, Patrick - but no need for thanks - no offens(iv)e would have been taken! I'm actually replying to ask if you bid for this title at "Armchair Auctions" last month? If so would you mind if I asked what you paid for this? I already have the book anyway but think some of the guide prices George quotes are rather high and I'm just interested what they actually go for. Many thanks Sandy > Gentlemen: I just wanted to say "Thanks!" to whomever it was, who last > week mentioned the title, "Offensive Patrol," by Norman Macmillan, about > the RFC/RNAS/RAF on the Italian front, 1917-1918. I received the book > yesterday, and have been enjoying it enormously. Sorry I don't recall who > it was that mentioned it on the list, but thanks for doing so. > Ciao! Patrick > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Patrick Padovan > e-mail: ppadovan@timberland.lib.wa.us > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 04:36:44 -0500 From: mbittner@juno.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Capronis Message-ID: <19980508.044721.14494.0.mbittner@juno.com> On Thu, 7 May 1998 22:59:17 -0400 Michelle and Rory Goodwin writes: >Anyone got a Merlin Caproni they don't need? That's Meikraft...I believe Hannants has/had one. Matt Bittner _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 04:37:17 -0500 From: mbittner@juno.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Capronis Message-ID: <19980508.044721.14494.1.mbittner@juno.com> On Thu, 7 May 1998 23:10:15 -0400 Bob Pearson writes: >Nope, but I may be getting a Meikraft Caproni in the near future, has >anyone built this kit yet? Are you kidding? I may never get to mine... Matt Bittner _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 16:25:37 +0100 From: "Sandy Adam" To: "AAA - WW1 Group" Subject: Thank you's Message-ID: <199805081527.QAA28208@beryl.sol.co.uk> I've just received the scans of Airfix mag articles which Graham Nash offered us recently and I just wanted to publicly thank him for all the time he has obviously spent doing this. They came out beautifully - as did the AEQ MS article he previously sent me. Very many thanks Graham. While I'm expressing my appreciation I must also mention thanks to Bob Pearson for the number of his beatiful Profiles which he has selflessly sent to many of us. Thank you too, Bob. With generous spirits like this on our list we are indeed lucky people. Sandy PS Al spoke of creating a CD from the web-site. With the combined data we must jointly have access to - we could probably, between us, produce a handful of CDs which would encompass just about every plan, profile, photo, ga and painting ever produced. As long as it was not done for commercial gain, there should be no copyright problems. Any thoughts? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 12:48:58 -0400 (EDT) From: Matthew Zivich To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Albatros III OEF & Swirl Camo: Message-ID: On Thu, 7 May 1998, David R.L. Laws wrote: > Matthew Zivich wrote: > > > Based on Phillip A-M's recent research on the firm that printed the fabric and his comments apparently based on the company's website ("Art Deco-ey"), Jugenstil was alive and well and made its mark on the War. (If you are familiar with the art work of Mackentosh and the Glasgow School or the floral designs of the Amer. Arch. Louis Sullivan you'll see a similarity because of this pervasive international style.) > > Absolutely agree . BTW and to support your argument Windsock had a cut > of the " marbled fly leaf of a book sometime back which has a striking ( > identical ? ) correspondence with printed fabric pattern > > REGARDS > > DAVID > > Didn't Norman Rockwell or a couple of his interior designers also favour > the use of some of these patterns ? Only a vague and perhaps confused ? > memory surfacing as I ponder on this topic ...appropo of the Arts and > Crafts School/ Movement ... > Maybe Maxfield Parrish, Rockwell's mentor, perhaps. Matthew> > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 12:54:38 -0400 (EDT) From: Matthew Zivich To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Albatros III OEF & Swirl Camo: Message-ID: On Thu, 7 May 1998, David R.L. Laws wrote: > Matt, > > Mea Culpa ! - I failed to express myself clearly ... > > I'm aware of the printed fabric- I only thought Peter was looking for > information on the alternative " home grown " hand-painted versions of > this scheme. > > Hope the List Detective has success with the manufacturers - That would > be a real coup ! > > REGARDS > > DAVID > > Forgive me too, for I think I'm finally getting a handle on my swirl/sworl misunderstanding. Sworl, according to the Glencoe Alb Oeffag plans are small semi-circular patterns, hand brushed also called Bromos. Dist. Swirl or paisley, is an arabesque design (Art Nouveau inspired?) created by the firm Backhausen and the identity of the colors is a mystery. I hope my summary is correct. Matt Z. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 10:04:16 -0700 From: Bob Pearson To: WW1 Mailing list Subject: Re: Albatros III OEF & Swirl Camo: Message-ID: <17041618412441@KAIEN.COM> By jove, I think he's got it :-) ---------- > Forgive me too, for I think I'm finally getting a handle on my > swirl/sworl misunderstanding. Sworl, according to the Glencoe Alb Oeffag > plans are small semi-circular patterns, hand brushed also called Bromos. > Dist. Swirl or paisley, is an arabesque design (Art Nouveau inspired?) > created by the firm Backhausen and the identity of the colors is a > mystery. I hope my summary is correct. > > Matt Z. > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 10:49:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Patrick Padovan To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: "Offensive Patrol" Message-ID: ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Patrick Padovan Interlibrary Loan Associate Timberland Regional Library Voice: 360-943-5001 415 Airdustrial Way SW FAX: 360-586-6838 Olympia, WA 98501-5799 e-mail: ppadovan@timberland.lib.wa.us ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 10:58:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Patrick Padovan To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: "Offensive Patrol" Message-ID: Dear Sandy: Well, I'm enjoying the book imensely, so thanks for mentioning it, all the same. No, I did not purchase the book from Armchair Auctions, I obtained it through the library. Next read, I think, will be Macmillan's "Into the Blue." I have read this before, but its been years ago now. Wonderful how books like these serve to stoke the wwi modelling drive, evoke ideas for new subjects, and remind one just why one started on this hobby in the first place. Regards, Patrick P.S. No, I don't mean the List Library (Hi, Rodan!), but the local public library system (I mention this to avoid any confusion). ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Patrick Padovan e-mail: ppadovan@timberland.lib.wa.us ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 1015 **********************