WWI Digest 1003 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Toko Sopwith Salamander by mbittner@juno.com 2) Re: Revell kits, etc. by mbittner@juno.com 3) Re: 20th Aero Squadron colors, equipment by Suvoroff 4) Re: Anarchists and Bolsheviks by The Shannons 5) Re: Albatros III OEF by Matthew Zivich 6) Re[2]: Albatros III OEF by reaton@ccmail.dsccc.com 7) Re: Anarchists and Bolsheviks by Patrick Padovan 8) Re: 20th Aero Squadron colors, equipment by Jim Elkins 9) Re: New Image by Ernest Thomas 10) Re: 20th Aero Squadron colors, equipment by Ernest Thomas 11) Re: HB-W.29 Colors by Mick Fauchon 12) Re: Vickers MG questions by John & Allison Cyganowski 13) RE: It happens by "D. Anderson" 14) Re: Albatros III OEF by "David R.L. Laws" 15) Re: Anarchists and Bolsheviks by "David R.L. Laws" 16) Re: Albatros III OEF by "David R.L. Laws" 17) Eduard: Albatros D.III and Nie. 17 by "D. Anderson" 18) Re: Albatros III OEF by Charles Hart 19) Re: HB-W.29 Colors by mbittner@juno.com 20) Re: 20th Aero Squadron colors, equipment by "David R.L. Laws" 21) Re: 20th Aero Squadron colors, equipment by KarrArt 22) MoS Type I by Shane Weier 23) Re: 20th Aero Squadron colors, equipment by Ernest Thomas 24) Re: Albatros III OEF by "Rob." 25) Re: 20th Aero Squadron colors, equipment by "David R.L. Laws" 26) Re: 20th Aero Squadron colors, equipment by Ernest Thomas 27) Gun Talk by Charles Hart 28) firepower by KarrArt 29) Re: Gun Talk by bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 16:05:32 -0500 From: mbittner@juno.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Toko Sopwith Salamander Message-ID: <19980430.160644.14278.0.mbittner@juno.com> On Thu, 30 Apr 1998 07:04:18 -0400 "Sandy Adam" writes: >I respect your opinion Matt (and I should be quiet, I know, since I am >not >involved in 1/72) but what I would give for a 1/48 Salamander! Since >much >of the disfavour of RAF types is caused by the lack of colourful >finishes, >surely the Salamander has been crying out to be kitted if only to >paint it >in that wonderful disruptive "Trench Fighting" camouflage scheme? True, cool scheme. One of these days I need to build the Pegasus one I have. Matt Bittner _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 16:06:43 -0500 From: mbittner@juno.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Revell kits, etc. Message-ID: <19980430.160644.14278.2.mbittner@juno.com> On Thu, 30 Apr 1998 15:43:50 -0400 Patrick Padovan writes: >Dear Matt: Wanted to let you know that the Revell kits arrived >yesterday, >thanks much. The Camel looks fine, no problems there. I'm glad they arrived; and more happy you don't mind the Camel. > I spent a couple of hours Dremeling the interior of my Pegasus >Phonix >D.I yesterday, and also started to cut the ailerons loose, and cleaned >up >the engine. So, I guess that's my next WWI subject. Super! Another awesome looking aircraft. Keep me informed of your construction. Matt _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 17:23:32 EDT From: Suvoroff To: wwi Subject: Re: 20th Aero Squadron colors, equipment Message-ID: <4899b208.3548ebd5@aol.com> "After all Kerensky was a leader for a short time after the October revolution and he was no Bolshevik" There seems to be a certain degree of confusion here, engendered no doubt by the fact that there were actually two revolutions, the February Revolution where the Tsar abdicated and Kerensky came into power, and the October Revolution (Red October) where the Bolsheviks and Left S.R.s seized control, and Kerensky fled. Yours, James D. Gray ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 16:25:23 -0500 From: The Shannons To: wwi Subject: Re: Anarchists and Bolsheviks Message-ID: <3548EC42.E310FDA2@ix.netcom.com> John & Allison Cyganowski wrote: > "On September 6 an anarchist named Leon Czolgosz shot him during a > public reception in the Temple of Music. Despite early hopes for his > recovery, McKinley died on Sept. 14, 1901, in Buffalo." > > Not really on topic, but then I am not a purist. > > Bon Chance! > John Cyg. Incidently, Teddy Roosevelt also had a shot taken at him during the campaign in 1908. According to the stories, he finished the speech he was giving despite a bullet in his chest (if I remember right, it broke a rib or two and didn't penetrate farther, though it did bleed profusely.) Closer to topic, the first "Russian Revolution" of 1917 occurred when the Czar was approached by a coalition of the Duma (which had been formed, surpressed, formed.... on and on since 1905) and forced to abdicate. He was asked to abdicate in favor of his son, but because of the secret of the Tsarevich's hemophilia, Nicholas II abdicated for him as well. The coalition put Kerensky in charge, in a mildly socialist government, and continued to prosecute the war. I believe this was in January or February 1917. Amongst the coalition were a group of Marxist Communists called the Menshevicks (the "little communists") who were more like the Communist parties in Italy or such where they run in democratic elections. The Bolsheviks were Lenin's group, seeking an absolute control (the "Big" or "Greater Communists"). They revolted against Kerensky's rather powerless governerment in the October Revolution (November 9-11, 1917 new style calender). This revolution led to the turmoil that continued after the WWI Armistice one year later. After the October Revolution, fighting began amongst the various factions, running from Czarist (Tsarist) Royalists, through Roman Catholic (Polish, Lithuanian, and ByeloRussian ethnic groups, through Social Democrats, rightist Democratic groups to the Mensheviks against the Bolsheviks. As with the later Chinese civil wars, it was difficult to tell which groups hated which more. Eventually, with Kerensky fled, (he live in exile into the 70's I believe) and the Tsar and family dead, there was little left to fight for or with and the mopping up began as Lenin consolidated the political power in 1921. -- This has been Mark and/or Mary Shannon at Shingend@ix.netcom.com History manages to get away with cliches no novelist could. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 17:41:19 -0400 (EDT) From: Matthew Zivich To: wwi Cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Albatros III OEF Message-ID: I'm working on a 1/48 Alb DIII Oef. conversion now and have received much appreciated data from list members particularly from a Datafile covering the subject. Don't assume the placement of the guns either buried below the exhaust tubes or above same. Look for information on a particular aircraft and go with that. The placement seems capricious and without pattern appearing alternately above and below especially in the later series. MZ On Thu, 30 Apr 1998 REATON@ccmail.dsccc.com wrote: > Here is a quick question for the team. I'm finishing up the Pegasus > treatment of this bird in Blue Rider AH swirl fabric. (Interesting > look) I assume that the guns on this animal are enclosed in the > fuselage as they are on other AH aeroplanes. What, if any, outside > appearance would the gun muzzles have and where? Any one else done > this plane in swirl? > > List getting quieter with OTF weekend coming on. Wish I could have > gone...... > > Regards, > > Richard > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Apr 98 16:11:10 -0500 From: reaton@ccmail.dsccc.com To: Subject: Re[2]: Albatros III OEF Message-ID: <9804308939.AA893970629@ccmail.dsccc.com> Thanks Rob, that was most illuminating. I assumed the AH were using their own weapons in these birds. (The Schwarzlose 8mm) I will attempt subtle flash tubes (for the scale) as you described. Regards, Richard ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: Albatros III OEF Author: at inet1 Date: 4/30/98 4:37 PM > I assume that the guns on this animal are enclosed in the > fuselage as they are on other AH aeroplanes. What, if any, outside > appearance would the gun muzzles have and where? Two long steel blast tubes run from the muzzles of the guns' relatively short barrels (they were simple, submachinegun-type, blowback weapons) alongside the cylinders to a point immediately aft of the plane of the propellor. The tubes are quite visible in pictures. They were necessary because the combination of a short barrel (to keep recoil forces within reason) and a powerful 8-mm rifle cartridge produced a fearsome muzzle blast (ground-service guns had a prominent conical flash suppressor on the end of the barrel). Early engines had a lot of leak-prone, hand-fitted joints in them, and they ran rich, so fuel, oil, and even exhaust leaks could produce combustible mixtures inside the plywood engine compartment (which was also the cockpit and fuel tank area, since there wasn't a firewall as such, if I remember correctly). Nobody wanted to add alot of hot, still-burning propellant to the mix. Rob To e-mail me, replace the l with the numeral 1. Visit Chandelle, the Web Journal of Aviation History ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 15:12:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Patrick Padovan To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Anarchists and Bolsheviks Message-ID: Dear Gents: I have always understood that the Russian revolution began when the peasants realized that the Tsar and the Czar were the same person! Regards, Patrick (And with credit to Woody Allen!) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Patrick Padovan e-mail: ppadovan@timberland.lib.wa.us ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 18:42:08 -0700 From: Jim Elkins To: wwi Subject: Re: 20th Aero Squadron colors, equipment Message-ID: <35492865.9D201B69@swbell.net> Matthew Zivich wrote: > you might get into hot water claiming it was a Bolshevik Uprising. It wasn't a claim it was a question! > To the West it was all Bolshevik. Exactly to the point! If the west felt it was all Bolshevism, whether factual or not, an unfair stereotype or not, it was what they perceived! Hence, the Flying Bolsheviks! Jim ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 18:37:30 -0500 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi Subject: Re: New Image Message-ID: <35490B39.62CE@bellsouth.net> Allan Wright wrote: > > > Hey Allan, > > What's the status on my Aerodrome photos? > > Ernest > > I've got them here to scan. I need to stay after fork to scan them. I'm working > on another set right now from Matt Bittner, then yours. > > -Allan > > =============================================================================== > Allan Wright Jr. | You fell victim to one of the 'classic' blunders! > University of New Hampshire+--------------------------------------------------- > Research Computing Center | WWI Modeling mailing list: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu > Internet: aew@unh.edu | WWI Modeling WWW Page: http://pease1.sr.unh.edu > =============================================================================== Thanks much. Just staying in touch with them. Take your time. E. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 18:47:50 -0500 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi Subject: Re: 20th Aero Squadron colors, equipment Message-ID: <35490DA6.7424@bellsouth.net> Matthew Zivich wrote: > > Off topic continued, > > Attempts were also made on Jackson's life (two pistols misfired and Ol' > Hickory throttled his would-be assassin.); on F. Roosevelt's life; on > Gerald Ford's life; and finally Reagan's life. > MZ > Is this a great country or what!!! The Swimmer ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 09:54:11 +1000 (EST) From: Mick Fauchon To: wwi Cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: HB-W.29 Colors Message-ID: Matt, > >I think we're still buddies......Matt?....buddy? 80) > > Phblttttt!!!! :-P````` Guess not 8'0( Mick 80) -- -- Mick Fauchon | Internet: ulmjf@dewey.newcastle.edu.au Reference Section, Auchmuty Library | Ph (intl+61+49) 215861 University of Newcastle, AUSTRALIA | Fax (intl+61+49) 215833 MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM M M M Tasmanian Devil: "#@%!&^*%%...!#@!&**%^@@#$#-+*+*&##@...!!" M M M M Yosemite Sam : "Cut out that Army talk!..Yer in the Navy now!" M M M MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 20:11:48 -0400 From: John & Allison Cyganowski To: wwi Subject: Re: Vickers MG questions Message-ID: <35491344.7976@worldnet.att.net> I forget the web page...it's devoted to the 27th Aero. Anyway they have this exciting (if rather pulpy) bio on Frank Luke. They claim he changed to the "11mm Balloon Gun". Cyg ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 18:29:12 -0600 From: "D. Anderson" To: wwi Subject: RE: It happens Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19980430182912.006ddd90@cadvision.com> At 08:43 AM 29/04/98 -0400, you wrote: >A few years ago I went to my local model club meeting to show off my >just completed Fokker DVIII by Koster. It was my first vacuform (at >least one that I could show in public) and my first attempt at lozenge >decals. It turned out quite nice, but the strut stock that came with >the kit was kind of wobbly, so I glued it to a plain base with some >static grass. One of the member's brothers (a non modeller) had come >to the meeting and decided to get a closer look at the bottom lozenge. > He picked it up and ripped off the wing and wheels as well as somehow >shreding part of the lozenge. I thought I would die, but I felt more >worried for him. I think the other members of the group wanted to >string him up! After that we made sure guests knew about our "look >but don't touch" >policy. Yikes! Such forbearance on your part. And with all those guns you Americans have around! As for making your club's "look, don't touch" policy more explicit, well, not really surprising, but you'd THINK that some things would be obvious. I.e., don't touch something small, fragile, and not yours. Dane >Jeff > > > > >== >Jeff Hamblen >NKJO-Opole, Poland >ham545@yahoo.com >_________________________________________________________ >DO YOU YAHOO!? >Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 May 1998 10:16:28 +0000 From: "David R.L. Laws" To: wwi Subject: Re: Albatros III OEF Message-ID: <3549A0FC.389@webtime.com.au> Richard, That swirling camoflage is a stunner isn't it Not much visible on the guns - They are buried in the OEF DIII about all one sees at the " business end " are the blast tubes emerging from the front of the cowling - This would be so unless your particular subject ( machine ) had some unusual field modifications DAVID ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 May 1998 10:24:01 +0000 From: "David R.L. Laws" To: wwi Subject: Re: Anarchists and Bolsheviks Message-ID: <3549A2C1.53A5@webtime.com.au> The Shannons wrote: > > Incidently, Teddy Roosevelt also had a shot taken at him during the > campaign in 1908. According to the stories, he finished the speech he was giving despite a bullet in his chest (if I remember right, it broke a rib or two and didn't penetrate farther, though it did bleed > profusely. Didn't know that - Oh Bully !! Now there was a politician with a real and gritty determination to " get it off his chest " - and they said Churchill was impossible to interrupt when he was speaking ! Reminders on some the latter's responses to hecklers welcomed - some of them are among the finest examples of invective in modern English ! DAVID ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 May 1998 10:29:46 +0000 From: "David R.L. Laws" To: wwi Subject: Re: Albatros III OEF Message-ID: <3549A41B.4E1F@webtime.com.au> RICHARD If you can lay your hands on a really fine syringe you will have what you need - The needles are a terriffic thiong to have in the " spares box " and very useful for those delicate gluing jobs as well ! My local GP is sympathic to a modelling addiction and regards the provision of these articles as harmless - Of course supply of syringes may be illegal where you live - However the supply of the needle itself may be lawful DAVID ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 18:33:45 -0600 From: "D. Anderson" To: wwi Subject: Eduard: Albatros D.III and Nie. 17 Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19980430183345.006dfccc@cadvision.com> Eduard has been promising a 1/48 Albatros D.III and a Nie.17 for some time, and the last I saw, these were supposed to have finally been released in April (a month that will be over in a matter of hours). Anyone heard any news about these kits? Is the fact that the Eduard Web page is over a year out of date a bad omen? Inquiring minds want to know. Dane ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 18:55:12 -0700 From: Charles Hart To: wwi Subject: Re: Albatros III OEF Message-ID: Probably a bit late now, but the best reference source on this machine is this splendid 200+ page hard cover book published in Austria in the early 1980's, it covers only the OEF D-III. Lots of nice photos, no color illustrations. FWIW Charles hartc@spot.colorado.edu > Here is a quick question for the team. I'm finishing up the Pegasus > treatment of this bird in Blue Rider AH swirl fabric. (Interesting > look) I assume that the guns on this animal are enclosed in the > fuselage as they are on other AH aeroplanes. What, if any, outside > appearance would the gun muzzles have and where? Any one else done > this plane in swirl? > > List getting quieter with OTF weekend coming on. Wish I could have > gone...... > > Regards, > > Richard ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 20:00:54 -0500 From: mbittner@juno.com To: wwi Subject: Re: HB-W.29 Colors Message-ID: <19980430.200912.8838.2.mbittner@juno.com> On Thu, 30 Apr 1998 19:56:53 -0400 Mick Fauchon writes: > Guess not 8'0( Oh, of course! I just had to harass you! :-) Matt Bittner _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 May 1998 12:07:31 +0000 From: "David R.L. Laws" To: wwi Subject: Re: 20th Aero Squadron colors, equipment Message-ID: <3549BB04.14F2@webtime.com.au> Ernest Thomas wrote: > > Matthew Zivich wrote: > > > > Off topic continued, > > > > Attempts were also made on Jackson's life (two pistols misfired and Ol' Hickory throttled his would-be assassin.); on F. Roosevelt's life; on Gerald Ford's life; and finally Reagan's life. > Is this a great country or what!!! > The Swimmer Good Point ! The stories which really make such wonderful bedtime time reading, are those where kiddies go skipping off school and then blow away their play mates with all manner of artillery - Really gives you that warm fuzzy feeling inside .... doesn't it !? The US government is to be congratulated on finally making some moves about what over here is generally thought to be the free availability of auto and semi-auto weapons. If you look at it objectively, if your'e that bad a shot that you need an Uzzi for " protection " aren't you a danger to yourself ? and on the " sporting " front - Well, I'd hate to be a deer squared off to an AK 47 - and do you really NEED an M-79 or a bag of H.E. grenades to go after bears ? - Daniel Boone, eat your heart out ? My $A.02¢ worth DAVID One-time Commando and Reformed Hunter-gatherer ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 23:46:54 EDT From: KarrArt To: wwi Subject: Re: 20th Aero Squadron colors, equipment Message-ID: <9c09785c.354945b0@aol.com> In a message dated 98-04-30 23:28:12 EDT, you write: << If you look at it objectively, if your'e that bad a shot that you need an Uzzi for " protection " aren't you a danger to yourself ? and on the " sporting " front - Well, I'd hate to be a deer squared off to an AK 47 - and do you really NEED an M-79 or a bag of H.E. grenades to go after bears ? - Daniel Boone, eat your heart out ? >> Full auto been outlawed for years! Robert K. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 14:11:52 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi'" Subject: MoS Type I Message-ID: <199805010429.OAA23701@mimmon.mim.com.au> > Matt posts: > > > >I was perusing the MoS Datafile - as well as looking at the cutaway > >drawing in AEQ #9 - and one thing occured to me. The Type I (and > Type > >V, for that matter) cockpit had to be different than a Type N. Why? > >Because the Type N used either a Hotchkiss or Lewis gun (magazine and > >drum fed, respectively) while the Type I used a Vickers belt fed. > So, > >there had to be a difference in the forward cockpit. > > > >There's an extremely clear photo of a Russian Type I in the Datafile > >(page 27, photo 57) that could help, but I can't make anything out. > >Anybody have any hints, here? > > > >Does the Flashback/Eduard address this, or just keep the original > Type N > >cockpit pieces? > > > >Anybody else able to help? > > I wandered off to my local pusher and discover that the kit is in fact > already available in Sunny Brisbane, but at the price of A$42.50 will > stay out of my cache for the time being. I guess I still have to > convert my spare MS-N kit. > > However, I was able to open the box and fondle the bits, and can > answer the question. > > The kit comes with a combined floor/rear bulkhead/seat part in resin, > and side detail in brass. The resin is new, the brass may not be. > However the section forward of the pilots cockpit is all new. They > provide a resin ammo box, gun and bits, also a resin cross bar and > carby breather pipe (why bother? a piece of brass or copper tube will > do the job much more convincingly) > > I'm a bit concerned about the gun "hood" parts though. The kit > provides this in brass which I presume is intended to be curved over > the gun. What worries me is that my impression (while virtual > modelling this aircraft from the Eduard N) was that this cowl is of > rather more complex curvature than could be captured by bending brass. > I don't have the Datafile handy so I may well be wrong on this. > > Not asked by Matt, but noteworthy, is that the kit also provides two > types of skis, the type which look like normal snow skis (brass), and > the ones which look like someone roughly carved giant clogs from a > fence post(resin), plus resin prop blades. Decals looked okay at a > glance, instructions are a largish foldout sheet with good graphics. > How comprehensive and helpful it would be to one without the Datafile > remains for another list member to tell ME. > > Plastic bits are the same as the Eduard N of course. List member > Graham Steel made that up into as lovely a model as I ever saw, so it > can be done. Who's going to build us an "I" then? > > Shane > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 23:14:18 -0500 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi Subject: Re: 20th Aero Squadron colors, equipment Message-ID: <35494C1A.2051@bellsouth.net> David R.L. Laws wrote: >=20 > Ernest Thomas wrote: > > > > Matthew Zivich wrote: > > > > > > Off topic continued, > > > > > > Attempts were also made on Jackson's life (two pistols misfired and= Ol' Hickory throttled his would-be assassin.); on F. Roosevelt's life; o= n Gerald Ford's life; and finally Reagan's life. >=20 > > Is this a great country or what!!! > > The Swimmer >=20 > Good Point ! >=20 > The stories which really make such wonderful bedtime time reading, are > those where kiddies go skipping off school and then blow away their pla= y > mates with all manner of artillery >=20 > - Really gives you that warm fuzzy feeling inside .... doesn't it !? >=20 > The US government is to be congratulated on finally making some moves > about what over here is generally thought to be the free availability o= f > auto and semi-auto weapons. >=20 > If you look at it objectively, if your'e that bad a shot that you need > an Uzzi for " protection " aren't you a danger to yourself ? and on the > " sporting " front - Well, I'd hate to be a deer squared off to an AK 4= 7 > - and do you really NEED an M-79 or a bag of H.E. grenades to go after > bears ? - Daniel Boone, eat your heart out ? >=20 > My $A.02=A2 worth >=20 > DAVID > One-time Commando and Reformed Hunter-gatherer David, mmmmmmm? Yeah, that's a double edge sword. While I agree with everything you say, and I'm even more pacifist towards hunting (I just like animals), I do so LOVE to go out to the swamp and blast away a couple hundred rounds of .22 ammo. I wish I had a belt-feed .22!=20 And I would love to take at least a few shots with every piece of weaponry ever ever invented by any nation ever. Everything from one-shot spy guns in a condom to SDI. But I don't need to own any of them.=20 On the other hand, I don't want to lose my constitutional right to own them. within reason of course.=20 I guess I'm torn between reasonable precautions like waiting periods and background checks, and one more chip in a constitution that's been slowly getting chipped down to nothing. And some of these criteria for getting banned is idiotic! Flash suppressors and pistol grips. Get real. EtAH ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 22:23:19 +0000 From: "Rob." To: wwi Subject: Re: Albatros III OEF Message-ID: <199805010426.AAA14297@marconi.concentric.net> > I'm working on a 1/48 Alb DIII Oef. conversion now and have > received much appreciated data from list members particularly from a > Datafile covering the subject. Don't assume the placement of the guns > either buried below the exhaust tubes or above same. Look for > information on a particular aircraft and go with that. The placement > seems capricious and without pattern appearing alternately above and > below especially in the later series. I don't believe it was capricious. Most A-H aircraft had buried guns in the early series (for entirely correct aerodynamic reasons) and high-mounted, exposed guns in the late series (for more compelling practical reasons--clearing jams/stoppages, mainly). Guns might also have been moved by maintenance personnel after manufacture. I have only seen sworl applied to aircraft with buried guns. But exposed guns can be found on series 153 and 253 Oeffags, as can buried guns.I have only seen sworl on series 253 airplanes with buried guns, though my selection of photos is very limited. Rob To e-mail me, replace the l with the numeral 1. Visit Chandelle, the Web Journal of Aviation History ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 May 1998 14:38:56 +0000 From: "David R.L. Laws" To: wwi Subject: Re: 20th Aero Squadron colors, equipment Message-ID: <3549DE80.1149@webtime.com.au> KarrArt wrote: > Full auto been outlawed for years! > Robert K. Must have been misreported here DAVID ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 23:32:55 -0500 From: Ernest Thomas To: wwi Subject: Re: 20th Aero Squadron colors, equipment Message-ID: <35495077.2FA8@bellsouth.net> David R.L. Laws wrote: > - and do you really NEED an M-79 or a bag of H.E. grenades to go after > bears ? - Daniel Boone, eat your heart out ? >=20 > My $A.02=A2 worth >=20 > DAVID > One-time Commando and Reformed Hunter-gatherer And one more thing. Why not open up an amusement park where harmless loonies like me can go and test fire the lastest implements of certain death. Call it Ramboworld. there's 5 sheckels, I want some change. EtAH ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 23:02:19 -0700 From: Charles Hart To: wwi Subject: Gun Talk Message-ID: Greeting all, While I am adamantly opposed to limiting the rights of free speech on this list, what is shaping up below is an incredibly polarizing and argumentative exchange on the relative merits and lack thereof of the United States Constitution's second amendment. IT IS DECIDEDLY OFF TOPIC FOR THIS LIST. Fight it out on your own time. Rant mode off. Charles hartc@spot.colorado.edu >> - and do you really NEED an M-79 or a bag of H.E. grenades to go after >> bears ? - Daniel Boone, eat your heart out ? >>=20 >> My $A.02=A2 worth >>=20 >> DAVID >> One-time Commando and Reformed Hunter-gatherer > >David, > >mmmmmmm? Yeah, that's a double edge sword. While I agree with everything >you say, and I'm even more pacifist towards hunting (I just like >animals), I do so LOVE to go out to the swamp and blast away a couple >hundred rounds of .22 ammo. I wish I had a belt-feed .22!=20 >And I would love to take at least a few shots with every piece of >weaponry ever ever invented by any nation ever. Everything from one-shot >spy guns in a condom to SDI. But I don't need to own any of them.=20 >On the other hand, I don't want to lose my constitutional right to own >them. within reason of course.=20 >I guess I'm torn between reasonable precautions like waiting periods and >background checks, and one more chip in a constitution that's been >slowly getting chipped down to nothing. And some of these criteria for >getting banned is idiotic! Flash suppressors and pistol grips. Get real. > >EtAH ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 00:58:42 EDT From: KarrArt To: wwi Subject: firepower Message-ID: In a message dated 98-05-01 00:31:01 EDT, you write: << KarrArt wrote: > Full auto been outlawed for years! > Robert K. Must have been misreported here DAVID >> yep- and somewhat on topic, I believe I remember reading (this is a LONG time ago) what a hassle Frank Tallman went through with our esteemed Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms concerning the guns on his WW I airplanes. Robert K. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 22:07:56 -0700 (PDT) From: bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) To: wwi Subject: Re: Gun Talk Message-ID: <199805010507.WAA07001@ednet1.orednet.org> Charles writes: >Greeting all, > While I am adamantly opposed to limiting the rights of free speech on >this list, what is shaping up below is an incredibly polarizing and >argumentative exchange on the relative merits and lack thereof of the >United States Constitution's second amendment. IT IS DECIDEDLY OFF TOPIC >FOR THIS LIST. > Fight it out on your own time. >Rant mode off. Agreed. Having been guilty of an off topic posting myself from time to time, I would be the last to condemn occassional off topic banter. But, this _is_ a WW1 list and perhaps the discussion of sex, religion, and politics (particularly the last two) might be more fruitfully be conducted elsewhere? Cheers and all, -- Bill Shatzer - bshatzer@orednet.org ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 1003 **********************