WWI Digest 824 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Grub Street - Above the Lines by John & Allison Cyganowski 2) Attn. Markings Sleuths! by John & Allison Cyganowski 3) Re: Grub Street - Above the Lines by KarrArt 4) Re: Attn. Markings Sleuths! by TPT PUMPER 5) Re: Grub Street - Above the Lines by KarrArt 6) Re: Attn. Markings Sleuths! by TPT PUMPER 7) Re: WWI Aircraft Industry by 8) Re: Attn. Markings Sleuths! by Bob Pearson 9) Re: Attn. Markings Sleuths! by mbittner@juno.com 10) Re: Attn. Markings Sleuths! by John & Allison Cyganowski 11) Re: Attn. Markings Sleuths! by John & Allison Cyganowski 12) Re: Attn. Markings Sleuths! by Joey Valenciano 13) Re: Aurora's accuracy by Matthew Zivich 14) Re: Attn. Markings Sleuths! by Matthew Zivich ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 29 Dec 1997 20:38:40 -0500 From: John & Allison Cyganowski To: wwi Subject: Grub Street - Above the Lines Message-ID: <34A850A0.7C7B@worldnet.att.net> This book "Above the Lines" is on sale through Squadron @ $29.99 (US). Can someone tell me what it covers? Is this book a good one to pick up? Thanks John ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Dec 1997 20:52:43 -0500 From: John & Allison Cyganowski To: wwi Subject: Attn. Markings Sleuths! Message-ID: <34A853EB.609D@worldnet.att.net> I aquired a print of an Albatros D.I this summer. The caption does not state anything about the markings. The fuselage is green with lavender on the tops of both wing surfaces, the horizontal stabilizer, and rudder. Cross on vertical stabilizer is in a white Heptagonal field. Fuselage has an uppercase "B" followed by a lower case "u" with an umlaut. The nose is gray. A very small notice in the margin states "Copyright Aeroprint April 1974". Can anyone tell me anything about this print? Are these markings real? Whom did they belong to? Thanks John ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Dec 1997 21:34:00 EST From: KarrArt To: wwi Subject: Re: Grub Street - Above the Lines Message-ID: In a message dated 97-12-29 20:46:13 EST, you write: << This book "Above the Lines" is on sale through Squadron @ $29.99 (US) >> Yep- pretty good book for that price- I think I paid around $45(U.S.) for my copy.This book contains short capsule bios of 400 German aces in alphabetical order starting with Leutnant zur See Paul Achilles through Unteroffizier Wilhelm Zorn.Each entry has a short bio and a victory list with time, place and type of airplane where known. A couple hundred photos and short histories of every Jasta make this a great quick reference.Published 1993 Robert ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Dec 1997 21:37:05 EST From: TPT PUMPER To: wwi Subject: Re: Attn. Markings Sleuths! Message-ID: Hi John! Sounds like Buttner's Albatros (unlaut over u). I'll look him up in "The Jasta Pilots" and report more fully. Have Fun!! IRA ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Dec 1997 21:43:40 EST From: KarrArt To: wwi Subject: Re: Grub Street - Above the Lines Message-ID: <306436d.34a85fde@aol.com> In a message dated 97-12-29 20:46:13 EST, you write: << This book "Above the Lines" is on sale through Squadron @ $29.99 (US). Can someone tell me what it covers? Is this book a good one to pick up? >> Oh yeah, in my previous posting I meant to give the book's subtitle- this indicates its comprehensiveness- A Complete Record of the Fighter Aces of the German Air Service, Naval Air Service and Flanders Marine Corps, 1914-1918 Robert ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Dec 1997 21:52:02 EST From: TPT PUMPER To: wwi Subject: Re: Attn. Markings Sleuths! Message-ID: <5096485f.34a861d4@aol.com> Hi John! Leutnant Karl Heinrich Otto Buttner (umlaut over u) flew with Jasta 2 from October 1916 to 16 November 1916, and scored no confirmed victories. "Flying Albatros DI 391/16 'Bu' (umlaut) when shot down and taken prisoner. Credited to Captain G A Parker and Lt H E Hervey, No 8 Sqn, RFC, as G.I." This is from "The Jasta Pilots". A photo of the Albatros appears in the book, with the markings painted over with Allied (British) markings. My personal speculation would be that the correct colors were olive green and chestnut brown, but mauve/purple would be a possibility. I hope this is of some use. Have Fun!! IRA ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Dec 1997 00:31:50 +0000 From: To: wwi Subject: Re: WWI Aircraft Industry Message-ID: <199712300738.CAA01452@mcfeely.concentric.net> > Are there any members who have become aware of the technical > developments of the German aircraft industry, in particular, > during WWI and the subsequent influences upon the postwar commercial > design industry as espoused by the leading exponents of the > Bauhaus, Marcel Breuer and Walter Gropius? Junkers was connected with the Bauhaus movement, I believe, at least in spirit. Junkers made their money with water heaters after the war and thus had an interest in domestic design. They also put a lot of effort into designing airy, healthy, and efficient factories and design offices. Rob Visit Chandelle, the Web Journal of Aviation History ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Dec 1997 23:47:35 -0800 From: Bob Pearson To: WW1 Mailing list Subject: Re: Attn. Markings Sleuths! Message-ID: <07473559508837@KAIEN.COM> I agree with Ira on the colours being brown/green. Mauve/green didn't come into use until sometime later - early D.IIIs were still in brown/green finish. Regards, Bob Pearson nl: Dusty Springfield Anthology (shes back ! ! ! !) ---------- > From: TPT PUMPER > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Re: Attn. Markings Sleuths! > Date: Mon, 29 Dec 1997 22:15:17 -0500 > > Hi John! > > Leutnant Karl Heinrich Otto Buttner (umlaut over u) flew with Jasta 2 from > October 1916 to 16 November 1916, and scored no confirmed victories. "Flying > Albatros DI 391/16 'Bu' (umlaut) when shot down and taken prisoner. Credited > to Captain G A Parker and Lt H E Hervey, No 8 Sqn, RFC, as G.I." This is from > "The Jasta Pilots". A photo of the Albatros appears in the book, with the > markings painted over with Allied (British) markings. My personal speculation > would be that the correct colors were olive green and chestnut brown, but > mauve/purple would be a possibility. I hope this is of some use. > > Have Fun!! > > IRA ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Dec 1997 04:38:44 -0600 From: mbittner@juno.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Attn. Markings Sleuths! Message-ID: <19971230.044645.13430.1.mbittner@juno.com> On Mon, 29 Dec 1997 22:15:17 -0500 TPT PUMPER writes: > Leutnant Karl Heinrich Otto Buttner (umlaut over u) flew with > Jasta 2 from October 1916 to 16 November 1916, and scored no > confirmed victories. "Flying Albatros DI 391/16 'Bu' (umlaut) > when shot down and taken prisoner. Credited to Captain G A > Parker and Lt H E Hervey, No 8 Sqn, RFC, as G.I." This is from > "The Jasta Pilots". A photo of the Albatros appears in the > book, with the markings painted over with Allied (British) > markings. My personal speculation would be that the correct > colors were olive green and chestnut brown, but mauve/purple > would be a possibility. I hope this is of some use. If you build in the correct scale, Meikraft made this one of the schemes available on his decal sheet for his D.I/D.II kit. A terrible kit, but a great decal sheet. I think there are 11 or so separate schemes on the decal sheet. Worth what ever money you pay just for the decal sheet. Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Dec 1997 08:25:16 -0500 From: John & Allison Cyganowski To: wwi Subject: Re: Attn. Markings Sleuths! Message-ID: <34A8F63C.2F71@worldnet.att.net> TPT PUMPER wrote: > > Hi John! > > Leutnant Karl Heinrich Otto Buttner (umlaut over u) flew with Jasta 2 from > October 1916 to 16 November 1916 Thanks for the info. I don't have many WWI references. Hence the questions about "Above the Lines". I would have asked for this for Christmas had I known it was on sale. As an aside - I just hate it when a model company gives you a neat marking sheet and does not identify the unit (and pilot if known). Monogram was doing this for a while, and Hobbycraft is also a known offender. I built a WWII German bomber from Hobbycraft and just about went crazy figuring out what unit and where it served. I must admit though I now something about the Luftwaffe's coding system. John ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Dec 1997 08:38:32 -0500 From: John & Allison Cyganowski To: wwi Subject: Re: Attn. Markings Sleuths! Message-ID: <34A8F958.32E0@worldnet.att.net> mbittner@juno.com wrote: > > > If you build in the correct scale, Meikraft made this one of the > schemes available on his decal sheet for his D.I/D.II kit. A > terrible kit, but a great decal sheet. In general I stick to 1/48. I have a number of reasons for this along with being too clumsey to ever master 1/72. Regarding the Meikraft kit - I think you had left the list for the Holidays when I mention this, but I have created a resin conversion kit that will convert the Glencoe and Upcomming Eduard Albatros D.III back to a D.II With a little more work you could do a D.I - all of this in 1/48, of course. I don't think I will do Buttner, but I will definitely do Boelcke since I am trying to get decals made up for this little project. I have heard a dirty rumor, that you might be, uh - you know, like bi-scaler? Any truth to this? John ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Dec 1997 22:13:44 +0800 From: Joey Valenciano To: wwi Subject: Re: Attn. Markings Sleuths! Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19971230221344.006bc6a0@philonline.com.ph> >I have created a resin conversion kit that will convert the Glencoe >and Upcomming Eduard Albatros D.III back to a D.II With a little more work you could do >a D.I - all of this in 1/48, of course. Hi John, when will it be available to us? ********************************************************************* Joey Valenciano WW1 modeller, teacher, jazz musician, joeyval@pusit.admu.edu.ph sitarist tel. (632) 921-26-75 Metro-Manila, Philippines "The more you know, the more you don't know." ********************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Dec 1997 12:29:58 -0500 (EST) From: Matthew Zivich To: wwi Cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Aurora's accuracy Message-ID: I also used leftover metal wheels that appear more accurate than the old stubby looking Auroras with multiple small circles on the wheel cover. Where on earth did they come up with that one? I patterned my plane after Lt. Meier's D3a, Jasta 48 after I got some visual aids from fellow members. (I'll have to forego that shaved 1/16th this time.) Matt Z On Mon, 29 Dec 1997, Riordan and Michelle Goodwin wrote: > Matthew Zivich wrote: > > the fuselage nose itself > > Rimell wrote a comprehensive article on correcting the Aurora kit in the > '70s, and he noted the lower fuselage nose is too deep, and so removed > 1/16" from both lower mating surface before joining to alter the > profile. > > >but in any case the Glencoe spin/prop was a disaster..worthless. I ended up using a spinner from a 1/72 Airfix Alb. DV which worked out perfectly. > > After trying the spinner from a Heller Bf-109B, I ended up using the tip > of a drop tank from a Revell 1/32 Harrier. Still haven't finished my > Pfalz. > > Good luck, > > Riordan > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Dec 1997 12:34:51 -0500 (EST) From: Matthew Zivich To: wwi Cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Attn. Markings Sleuths! Message-ID: The description rings a bell, but I'll have to check when I get back to my WWI materials. Could the initials stand for Bulow? On Mon, 29 Dec 1997, John & Allison Cyganowski wrote: > I aquired a print of an Albatros D.I this summer. The caption does not state anything > about the markings. The fuselage is green with lavender on the tops of both wing > surfaces, the horizontal stabilizer, and rudder. Cross on vertical stabilizer is in a > white Heptagonal field. Fuselage has an uppercase "B" followed by a lower case "u" with > an umlaut. The nose is gray. > > A very small notice in the margin states "Copyright Aeroprint April 1974". > > Can anyone tell me anything about this print? Are these markings real? Whom did they > belong to? > > Thanks > John > ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 824 *********************