WWI Digest 820

Topics covered in this issue include:

  1) Matchstick camoflage photo reference
	by Riordan and Michelle Goodwin <mgoodwin@ricochet.net>
  2) Big Oops..Sorry
	by "Leonard Endy" <lfendy@firstsaga.com>
  3) Rigging for Fokker D VI
	by "CHARLES JOHNSON" <CEJohnsonJr@worldnet.att.net>
  4) Re: Rigging for Fokker D VI
	by Riordan and Michelle Goodwin <mgoodwin@ricochet.net>
  5) Re: Kit of the year
	by DavidL1217 <DavidL1217@aol.com>
  6) Rigging for Fokker D III
	by Joey Valenciano <joeyval@philonline.com.ph>
  7) Kit of the Year
	by DavidL1217 <DavidL1217@aol.com>
  8) Re: Rigging for Fokker D VI
	by "CHARLES JOHNSON" <CEJohnsonJr@worldnet.att.net>
  9) RE: Aurora's accuracy
	by Matthew Zivich <mzivich@tardis.svsu.edu>
 10) Lozenge Article in FSM
	by "Leonard Endy" <lfendy@firstsaga.com>
 11) Re: Aurora's accuracy
	by KarrArt <KarrArt@aol.com>

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Date: Thu, 25 Dec 1997 23:19:50 -0800
From: Riordan and Michelle Goodwin <mgoodwin@ricochet.net>
To: wwi
Subject: Matchstick camoflage photo reference
Message-ID: <34A35A96.4024@ricochet.net>

I was just thumbing through the Green & Swanborough Fighters book, and
noticed something in the picture of the LVG E.I (c.1915). I'll be damned
if the uppersurfaces don't appear to have been finished in a version of
the matchstick scheme of possibly a base of ochre with brown or green
sticks (it's especially evident on the tail surfaces). This photo is
also on page 198 of the Harleyford Fighters book (labled LVG E.VI) and,
although it has been cropped, there is an enlarged segment of it on page
161 in the Harleyford Air Aces book (doesn't show the tail). The
matchsticks are muted and barely discernable on the port wing.     
Looks like I've got another itch to scratch!

Cheers,

Riordan
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Date: Fri, 26 Dec 1997 13:35:43 GMT
From: "Leonard Endy" <lfendy@firstsaga.com>
To: wwi
Subject: Big Oops..Sorry
Message-ID: <34a4b269.57758413@legend.firstsaga.com>

On Thu, 25 Dec 1997 05:54:59 -0500, you wrote:

Excuse me for that last message. It wasn't meant ot go to the list.
Have to slow down when I hit reply...

Len Endy
lfendy@firstsaga.com

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Date: Fri, 26 Dec 1997 11:36:48 -0500
From: "CHARLES JOHNSON" <CEJohnsonJr@worldnet.att.net>
To: <wwi>
Subject: Rigging for Fokker D VI
Message-ID: <19971226163752.AAA2164@default>

Would anyone have a copy of how the rigging on the Fokker D.VI goes?  All i
have is the box art, and its not even shown, and the instructions are
vague. Any help would be appreciated
                                  TIA Charlie


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Date: Fri, 26 Dec 1997 09:46:57 -0800
From: Riordan and Michelle Goodwin <mgoodwin@ricochet.net>
To: wwi
Subject: Re: Rigging for Fokker D VI
Message-ID: <34A3ED91.2F04@ricochet.net>

CHARLES JOHNSON wrote:
> 
> Would anyone have a copy of how the rigging on the Fokker D.VI goes?  All i
> have is the box art, and its not even shown, and the instructions are
> vague. Any help would be appreciated
>                                   TIA Charlie

The list libarary has basic three-views in the Harleyford Fighters book.
The D.VI is also covered in Albatros WWI Aircraft Vol. I (not sure of
proper title-library does not have this one). Not much to rig. 
Please post your address.

Cheers,

Riordan
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Date: Fri, 26 Dec 1997 13:09:13 EST
From: DavidL1217 <DavidL1217@aol.com>
To: wwi
Subject: Re: Kit of the year
Message-ID: <432d88f6.34a3f2cb@aol.com>

I would like to nominate the Sky Birds 86 Halberstadt D trio.

Followed by their Aviatik and Albatros CX.  I havenot seen their Rumpler or
DFW C5.

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Date: Sat, 27 Dec 1997 00:48:21 +0800
From: Joey Valenciano <joeyval@philonline.com.ph>
To: wwi
Subject: Rigging for Fokker D III
Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19971227004821.006b450c@philonline.com.ph>

I have a question about the wing warp wires on the Fokker D.III:

Could anyone please tell me if my interpretation is correct?

Each side has 2 wing warp wires:
1) from the forward spar wing root of the lower wing to the rear spar outer
most strut position of the top wing.
2) from a pulley at the rear spar near the rear cabane strut on the top
wing to the rear spar outer most strut position of the bottom wing.

Is this interpretation of mine correct?

Were the wing warp lines doubled?

Hope someone can help.


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Joey Valenciano               WW1 modeller, teacher, jazz musician, 
joeyval@pusit.admu.edu.ph     sitarist 
tel. (632) 921-26-75
Metro-Manila, Philippines

            "The more you know, the more you don't know."

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Date: Fri, 26 Dec 1997 13:27:32 EST
From: DavidL1217 <DavidL1217@aol.com>
To: wwi
Subject: Kit of the Year
Message-ID: <21b6dafa.34a3f716@aol.com>

My nomination for Kit of the Year is the Sky Bird's Halberstadt D trio.
(Actually, all three are basically the same model.)

Runners up, the Frederichaven, the Aviatik CIII and the Albatros CX.

The Blue Max DH2 is a real pain to assemble, so it does not get my vote.  The
Sky Birds kits are well engineered.  The big boys and the cottage industry
would do well to follow some of his tricks.  Maybe a resin manufacturer would
subcontract the masters to Mike Eacock, if he discontinues the sky birds
range.

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Date: Fri, 26 Dec 1997 14:27:08 -0500
From: "CHARLES JOHNSON" <CEJohnsonJr@worldnet.att.net>
To: <wwi>
Subject: Re: Rigging for Fokker D VI
Message-ID: <19971226192910.AAA9804@default>

Charles Johnson
101 Valleywood Dr.
Forest, Va. 24551
   
Any help would be greatly appreciated 
Thanks Charlie

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> From: Riordan and Michelle Goodwin <mgoodwin@ricochet.net>
> To: Multiple recipients of list <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
> Subject: Re: Rigging for Fokker D VI
> Date: Friday, December 26, 1997 12:52 PM
> 
> CHARLES JOHNSON wrote:
> > 
> > Would anyone have a copy of how the rigging on the Fokker D.VI goes? 
All i
> > have is the box art, and its not even shown, and the instructions are
> > vague. Any help would be appreciated
> >                                   TIA Charlie
> 
> The list libarary has basic three-views in the Harleyford Fighters book.
> The D.VI is also covered in Albatros WWI Aircraft Vol. I (not sure of
> proper title-library does not have this one). Not much to rig. 
> Please post your address.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Riordan
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Date: Fri, 26 Dec 1997 18:13:54 -0500 (EST)
From: Matthew Zivich <mzivich@tardis.svsu.edu>
To: wwi
Cc: Multiple recipients of list <wwi>
Subject: RE: Aurora's accuracy
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.91.971226175841.23539A-100000@tardis.svsu.edu>

Shane,

Thanks for the reply.  I feel better already about the combination of 
lozenge over lt. blue. (Actually I didn't feel like repainting 
hand-painted lozenge over an already painted surface on a finished model.)

Since I posed the question at large I had a chance to re-read the old 
Aurora instructions which along with other bits of WWI info, I do not 
have at hand.  The Baumer plane is clearly described with the green/mauve 
upper wings and lt. blue undersides, also with an edelweis logo on the 
fus. sides.  The other craft with lozenge over lt. blue is the mount of 
an unidentified pilot according to the Aurora plans.  Aurora, though a 
boon to us early plastic modellers, was certainly not the most accurate 
model producer.  Now many years later after I've done a bit of research 
I've found mistake after mistake in their interpretations.  Who can 
forget the inaccuracies in the so-called Alb. D-III; the lower 
wing/fuselage juncture of the Pfalz D-III; & the forward fuselage of the 
DeHav. D-10a, etc., etc.? 

Matt Z


On Thu, 25 Dec 1997, Shane Weier wrote:

> Matt,
> 
> 	>	But I'm wondering if the above mentioned lozenge over
> blue is an 
> > accurate portrayal?
> > 
> I don't know about Baumers plane offhand, but loz over blue is not at
> all uncommon. One example is the Canberra D.Va, which is finished in
> that scheme as currently restored, and despite the fact that there are
> some questions about the accuracy of the retored finish official photos
> of the aircraft on capture and on arrival in Australia show the
> underside of the lower wing in overall doped finish, presumably blue,
> 
> Regards
> 
> Shane
> 

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Date: Sat, 27 Dec 1997 03:13:41 GMT
From: "Leonard Endy" <lfendy@firstsaga.com>
To: wwi
Subject: Lozenge Article in FSM
Message-ID: <34a56ff2.1292825@legend.firstsaga.com>

Hello all,

Hope Santa treated you all well.  I received my copy of the Feb FSM
today and the next issue, which is the junbo March one, is to have an
article on lozenge camouflage,  This should prove interesting and I'm
sure it will generate some traffic on the list.

Also, in the Feb Showcase there is a picture of Robert Karr's 1/32
scale, scratchbuilt BE2. It's a small photo that crosses the page so
it has a crease in the middle.  The picture does not appear to do
justice to the model. Robert is a list member and this one belongs on
the web site. (Alan....)


Len Endy
lfendy@firstsaga.com

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Date: Fri, 26 Dec 1997 21:31:22 EST
From: KarrArt <KarrArt@aol.com>
To: wwi
Subject: Re: Aurora's accuracy
Message-ID: <28d861ef.34a4687c@aol.com>

In a message dated 97-12-26 18:16:20 EST, you write:

<< Who can 
 forget the inaccuracies in the so-called Alb. D-III; the lower 
 wing/fuselage juncture of the Pfalz D-III; & the forward fuselage of  >>

The Albatros was also guilty of my pet pathological hatred- the wrong number
of wing ribs.But I still love 'em! I still find it easier to correct an Aurora
than deal with resin or vac.
Robert

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