WWI Digest 816 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: "Hasagawa" DVII by T HENRYS 2) Re: No German flame-thrower references? Mr. Hustad? by Charles Hart 3) Model Photography by Redwilde@bdsbbs.com (Redwilde) 4) Re: Off Topic Request - Selfridge's by Geoff Smith 5) Portuguese Air Force - slightly off topic but... by Pedro Nuno Soares 6) Re:Aurora's accuracy by Matthew Zivich 7) Re: In remembrance of Christmas 1914 in the trenches. by Mick Fauchon 8) Re: In remembrance of Christmas 1914 in the trenches. by Mick Fauchon 9) Re:New Images Added to WWW page by Pedro Nuno Soares 10) Re:New Images Added to WWW page by Charles Hart 11) Re: New Images Added to WWW page by KarrArt 12) Re: No German flame-thrower references? Mr. Hustad? by Riordan and Michelle Goodwin 13) Eduard's Flashback kits by BStett3770 14) Xmas Eve by "Alexandre " 15) Pegasus Halberstadt Cl.IIa by Riordan and Michelle Goodwin 16) Re: Kit of the year by Alberto Rada 17) Re: Pegasus Halberstadt Cl.IIa by Bob Pearson 18) Re: No German flame-thrower references? Mr. Hustad? by Suvoroff 19) Re: Model Photography by "Sandy Adam" 20) Topic digression by "Sandy Adam" 21) Re: New Images Added to WWW page by "Paul Schwartzkopf" 22) Re:New Images Added to WWW page by Joey Valenciano 23) Re:New Images Added to WWW page by Joey Valenciano 24) Re: Model Photography by "Tom Werner Hansen" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 12:49:31 EST From: T HENRYS To: wwi Subject: Re: "Hasagawa" DVII Message-ID: <8690ab37.349ea82d@aol.com> In a message dated 97-12-21 15:05:58 EST, you write: << The really suprising feature of the kit was the decal sheet. Markings are provided for Bertold complete with lozenge for lower wing surfaces and the white center section for the top wing. The rib tapes appear to be almost white. The reason that I say appear to be is because the "decals" are on the sheet up side down. There is a supplementary instruction sheet that shows decal placement and instructions for using the "new Hasagawa decals". For all intents and purposes, the markings are dry transfer. There's even a warning on the instructions that when the markings are placed they cannot be moved. Has anyone run into these "new" decals in any other Hasagawa kits? Later, Tim Crofoot >> Tim : I just recently bought a (admittedly OFF-TOPIC) Zero with these new decals. I haven't tried them, although they appear to be extremely well printed and extrememly thin. TOdd Henry ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 11:52:28 -0700 From: Charles Hart To: wwi Subject: Re: No German flame-thrower references? Mr. Hustad? Message-ID: >Can it be that no one on this list has a single solitary picture or >drawing of a WWI flame-thrower in the vast and mouldering stacks of your >personal reference libraries? Mr Hustad, are you out there? > > >>-------------------------------------- >This e-mail has been brought to you by > - Riordan and Michelle Goodwin - > ***************************** > Great Holiday Gift Ideas at > Jewels of the Silk Road > http://www.silkroadjewels.com > ***************************** Have you tried the Osprey Men-at-Arms book on German infantry 1914-18 ? Steve Hustad has been off this list for the better part of a year. Charles hartc@spot.colorado.edu ------------------------------ Date: 22 Dec 1997 14:01:56 EDT From: Redwilde@bdsbbs.com (Redwilde) To: wwi Subject: Model Photography Message-ID: <88281734227018@bdsbbs.com> The thread on aerial photography got me over to the book shelf and pulling out my copy of Death In The Air : The War Diary And Photographs Of A Flying Corps Pilot (which I found in a used bookstore in Edinburgh years ago). First published in 1933, this book has the Cockburn-Lange hoax photographs. The diary is made up around a pilot who allegedly fixed a camera to his plane and got a wide variety of incredible combat photos. Some of the photos can be seen on the jacket cover of the 1990 edition of Jane's Fighting Aircraft Of World War I. The pictures have been pretty thoroughly analysed and proved to be model planes. I knew about the hoax when I purchased the "diary" back in 83,but couldn't resist adding the bookto my collection. However, However, the photos in the book are stunning and I've always wondered why they haven't inspired an ongoing style of model photography similar to that used by model railroaders -- ie trying to set up realistic looking aerial photos of the models "in action". Brian ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 14:40:38 -0500 From: Geoff Smith To: "INTERNET:wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Re: Off Topic Request - Selfridge's Message-ID: <199712221440_MC2-2CDB-98B1@compuserve.com> John There doesn't appear to be a web page for Selfridge's the shop only the A= NG base. However, I'll take this opportunity to wish all you guys the Season's Greetings and may you and your families all have the best New Ye= ar possible. Thanks for being around. Cheers, Geoff ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 22:14:32 +0100 From: Pedro Nuno Soares To: "'ww1 modeling list'" Subject: Portuguese Air Force - slightly off topic but... Message-ID: <01BD0F26.FCB77FA0@fei1-p3.telepac.pt> Hi Guys, I just saw on my usual magazine shop, the latest edition of Air = Enthusiast has an extended feature on the history of the Portuguese Air = Force. I browsed through it and as far as WW1 is concerned the article = doesn't add to what I translated from Os avioes da cruz de cristo, which = I believe must have been the main source the author of the article used. = Anyway if you're interested in the general history of the PAF now = there's something readily available to you in English. Um abraco e Feliz natal Pedro ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 17:24:51 -0500 (EST) From: Matthew Zivich To: wwi Cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re:Aurora's accuracy Message-ID: One of Aurora's last releases was an Alb. DV or DVa, with two optional finishes. Both were supposed to represent aircraft from Jasta 5, but they differed from one another in that one aircraft was to have the painted green/mauve topside wing camouflage with light blue undersides, and the other was to have lozenge camouflage on the topsides of both wings and lt. blue on the undersides of the wings also. I've never seen that combination of lozenge and blue above and underneath respectively. One aircraft is identified as Lt. Baumer's and the other is unidentified. I don't remember which one was attributed to whom, but I'm sure most dedicated buffs could identify Baumer's DV in a second. But I'm wondering if the above mentioned lozenge over blue is an accurate portrayal? Matt Z ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Dec 1997 09:30:41 +1100 (EST) From: Mick Fauchon To: wwi Cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: In remembrance of Christmas 1914 in the trenches. Message-ID: > The words are different but the melody and the sentiments are > the same. May Christmas alway unite us and war and hatred > never again divide us. Amen to that, brother! > Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays to all, And to that. Mick. -- -- Mick Fauchon | Internet: ulmjf@dewey.newcastle.edu.au Reference Section, Auchmuty Library | Ph (intl+61+49) 215861 University of Newcastle, AUSTRALIA | Fax (intl+61+49) 215833 MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM M M M Tasmanian Devil: "#@%!&^*%%...!#@!&**%^@@#$#-+*+*&##@...!!" M M M M Yosemite Sam : "Cut out that Army talk!..Yer in the Navy now!" M M M MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Dec 1997 09:39:16 +1100 (EST) From: Mick Fauchon To: wwi Cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: In remembrance of Christmas 1914 in the trenches. Message-ID: > Alles schlidft? - What were they all doing? All sound asleep........except mother and child; it was the middle of the night ["alles schl"aft, *einsam wacht nur traute hochheilige Paar*.] > Froehliches Weinachts, Alles! Danke, Sandy, Dir und den Deinigen ein frohes und gesegnetes Fest. And a happy New Year. > Sandy (expecting snow at any minute!) Mick....not expecting snow any time. 80) -- -- Mick Fauchon | Internet: ulmjf@dewey.newcastle.edu.au Reference Section, Auchmuty Library | Ph (intl+61+49) 215861 University of Newcastle, AUSTRALIA | Fax (intl+61+49) 215833 MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM M M M Tasmanian Devil: "#@%!&^*%%...!#@!&**%^@@#$#-+*+*&##@...!!" M M M M Yosemite Sam : "Cut out that Army talk!..Yer in the Navy now!" M M M MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 23:57:17 +0100 From: Pedro Nuno Soares To: "'ww1 modeling list'" Subject: Re:New Images Added to WWW page Message-ID: <01BD0F35.5FC0DC00@fei1-p6.telepac.pt> Hi all, I've finally added Joey V's dragondile pictures to the WWW page. = Sorry this took so long, but It's been a busy holliday season. -Allan Hi Al, I tried to dowloand the JPEG image but it came up with a huge black band = in the middle. Anyone out there with the same problem or it's just me? Um abraco e feliz Natal Pedro ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 17:25:00 -0700 From: Charles Hart To: wwi Subject: Re:New Images Added to WWW page Message-ID: >Hi all, > > I've finally added Joey V's dragondile pictures to the WWW page. = >Sorry >this took so long, but It's been a busy holliday season. > >-Allan > > >Hi Al, > >I tried to dowloand the JPEG image but it came up with a huge black band = >in the middle. Anyone out there with the same problem or it's just me? > > >Um abraco e feliz Natal >Pedro I downloaded the JPG version of this image. It is fragmented and partially appears at white on black, with much of the image being white lines on a black background. I'm a little unclear of how the drawing is supposed to be presented. Charles hartc@spot.colorado.edu ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 19:39:09 EST From: KarrArt To: wwi Subject: Re: New Images Added to WWW page Message-ID: <23afaf71.349f0830@aol.com> In a message dated 97-12-22 19:06:38 EST, you write: << Hi Al, I tried to dowloand the JPEG image but it came up with a huge black band = in the middle. Anyone out there with the same problem or it's just me? Um abraco e feliz Natal Pedro >> Mostly for me it was a huge jpg that took 8 minutes to download and filled several screens worth ! Robert ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 17:36:19 -0800 From: Riordan and Michelle Goodwin To: wwi Subject: Re: No German flame-thrower references? Mr. Hustad? Message-ID: <349F1593.5C6C@ricochet.net> Charles, Thanks for the reply. >Have you tried the Osprey Men-at-Arms book on German infantry 1914-18? Yes, had a look at it in one of the local shops. No photos or pictures. >Steve Hustad has been off this list for the better part of a year. DOH!!! Guess I hoped he might be lurking. Merry Xmas, Riordan ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 20:34:40 EST From: BStett3770 To: wwi Subject: Eduard's Flashback kits Message-ID: <8349b93c.349f1532@aol.com> Hi Gang Just got a flyer in the Mail today. Eduard's is going to produce 3 of the WWI 1/48 kits this January in updated limited kits. Fokker E-3 Fokker E.V Sopwith Pup -Naval Colors All kits will come with new decals and resin interior parts Now a plug for me Go to www.swiftsite.com/rosemonthobby click on the Eduards Flashback kit pre-sale for pre-order discounted prices Happy Holidays to all !! Keep Modeling Barry Rosemont Hobby ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Dec 1997 00:03:42 -0200 From: "Alexandre " To: Subject: Xmas Eve Message-ID: <199712230203.CAA17135@srv1-cas.cas.nutecnet.com.br> Hi all !!! I wish you Merry Xmas and a happy new year (and to your families too !). I hope 1998 can bring us peace and progress.... Best regards, Alexandre - atcampos@nutecnet.com.br ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 20:56:19 -0800 From: Riordan and Michelle Goodwin To: wwi Subject: Pegasus Halberstadt Cl.IIa Message-ID: <349F4473.64C5@ricochet.net> Anyone have this kit? Comments? -- --------------------------------------- This e-mail has been brought to you by - Riordan and Michelle Goodwin - ***************************** Great Holiday Gift Ideas at Jewels of the Silk Road http://www.silkroadjewels.com ***************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Dec 1997 01:02:55 -0400 From: Alberto Rada To: wwi Subject: Re: Kit of the year Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19971223010255.006eac78@pop.true.net> This is a real tough one as it has been a generous year of the 1/48 squadron but I will give my vote for: Aeroclub RE8 Hippo Macchi M-5 The following Aeroplane certainly does not belong to WW1 but, it has Two wings, its covered with canvas, lots and lots of rigging and certainly deserves a place of honor for the service it rendered during that other conflict. The Fairey Swordfish ( Stringbag ) from Model Design Construction is the best kit I have ever seen Saludos Alberto At 07:04 AM 12/20/97 -0500, you wrote: >This has been a bumper year for new kits - most of which have been good to >outstanding in quality. >Lets have the votes then - what is your individual kit of the year? > > >If I can start off: My own thoughts started with the Eduard Pfalz which >would probably run away with it if it were not for that annoying separate >fin - you will have to do quite a bit of filling to get a smoothed join >like the real one. Next came the BM Camel - you certainly can't fault it >for choices - almosty 2 kits in one - but that butter soft plastic is not >so good to work with and BM wings always get a bit ragged at the edges. >Same for the DH2. >I can't remember if the Eduard Tripe was this year or not and it is so good >- just misses the little upturn at the tailplane. I think the Alb DV's were >last year - but everybody knows Alb DVs are flying bores anyway! > >No, my vote (FWIW) Tantaraaaa! > >Copper State Dornier D.I >Unusual subject, beatuful crisp mouldings, lots of bits - duplicate resin >and metal, comprehensive trannies, great colour scheme. Everybody will say >"What is it?" followed by "Where can I get it?" > >Come on then. Lets hear them. >Sandy > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 22:47:42 -0800 From: Bob Pearson To: WW1 Mailing list Subject: Re: Pegasus Halberstadt Cl.IIa Message-ID: <06474238710952@KAIEN.COM> Seems to be nice, I haven't built it yet though. regards, Bob Pearson ---------- > From: Riordan and Michelle Goodwin > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Pegasus Halberstadt Cl.IIa > Date: Tue, 23 Dec 1997 00:00:36 -0500 > > Anyone have this kit? > > Comments? > > -- > --------------------------------------- > This e-mail has been brought to you by > - Riordan and Michelle Goodwin - > ***************************** > Great Holiday Gift Ideas at > Jewels of the Silk Road > http://www.silkroadjewels.com > ***************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Dec 1997 05:38:08 EST From: Suvoroff To: wwi Subject: Re: No German flame-thrower references? Mr. Hustad? Message-ID: I have two photos I have found so far, one an indistinct view of the two-man version on the ground, another a slightly better view of the two-man version in use, though the two photos are manifestly different equipment. Interested? Yours, James D. Gray ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Dec 1997 10:58:45 -0000 From: "Sandy Adam" To: Subject: Re: Model Photography Message-ID: <199712231118.LAA06099@beryl.sol.co.uk> There is an extremely interesting article in one of the early C&C Int'ls which goes through the whole C-L thing in detail. It starts from the lady's gift of the photos and works backwards to the chaps who made the models and there are some good close-up shots of the (static) models themselves. Believe me, they look absolutely superb. I don't have my C&Cs to hand but the web page has an index listing the contents of every issue and I know the volume in question is on offer at half-price just now. If you're interested in C-L, this is the works on them. Sandy ---------- > From: Redwilde > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Model Photography > Date: 22 December 1997 19:03 > > > The thread on aerial photography got me over to the book shelf and > pulling out my copy of Death In The Air : The War Diary And Photographs > Of A Flying Corps Pilot (which I found in a used bookstore in Edinburgh > years ago). First published in 1933, this book has the Cockburn-Lange > hoax photographs. The diary is made up around a pilot who allegedly > fixed a camera to his plane and got a wide variety of incredible combat > photos. Some of the photos can be seen on the jacket cover of the 1990 > edition of Jane's Fighting Aircraft Of World War I. The pictures have > been pretty thoroughly analysed and proved to be model planes. I knew > about the hoax when I purchased the "diary" back in 83,but couldn't > resist adding the bookto my collection. > However, > However, the photos in the book are stunning and I've always wondered > why they haven't inspired an ongoing style of model photography similar > to that used by model railroaders -- ie trying to set up realistic > looking aerial photos of the models "in action". > > Brian > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Dec 1997 13:44:51 -0000 From: "Sandy Adam" To: "AAA - WW1 Group" Subject: Topic digression Message-ID: <199712231247.MAA08429@beryl.sol.co.uk> I know many of you build WW2 so please forbear with me digressing for a line or two, but it may interest some. While looking for Christmas presents (honest!) I came across the new Tamiya 1/48 Beaufighter in the Glasgow branch of the Beatties toystore chain at 15.99GBP. I don't know if this is a mistake in pricing - there were about four on the shelf all at 15.99 - but the Uhu at about the same size was also there, at 24.99 or suchlike, while Spitfires and Mustangs are 15.99.. If this is the right price then the thing will surely sell like the hottest cakes in the oven of the hottest bakery with central heating on a hot day in Pudding Lane on the day the Great Fire of London broke out! It is magnificent! I did buy one (for somebody else) so I could drool longer at the cellophane wrapped bits. If any kit could drag me away from WW1 this would be it. Anyway I mention it as I think the price on the Beatties stock computer must be wrong and anybody near one of their stores may wish to indulge themselves. Sandy ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Dec 1997 07:37:59 +0000 From: "Paul Schwartzkopf" To: wwi Subject: Re: New Images Added to WWW page Message-ID: <199712230408.WAA19483@tscrypt1.transcrypt.com> > I tried to dowloand the JPEG image but it came up with a huge black > band = in the middle. Anyone out there with the same problem or it's > just me? I had no problems. The Lviewpro program opened without any black band. Paul A. Schwartzkopf ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Dec 1997 21:59:47 +0800 From: Joey Valenciano To: wwi Subject: Re:New Images Added to WWW page Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19971223215947.006df0ec@philonline.com.ph> Hi guys, Sorry for giving Allan such a large image to post. I know how hard it is to download such a file, I was a dummy and just forgot. I've now chopped it up into manageable portions, and have added an extra image you might be interested in. ********************************************************************* Joey Valenciano WW1 modeller, teacher, jazz musician, joeyval@pusit.admu.edu.ph sitarist tel. (632) 921-26-75 Metro-Manila, Philippines "The more you know, the more you don't know." ********************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Dec 1997 22:08:50 +0800 From: Joey Valenciano To: wwi Subject: Re:New Images Added to WWW page Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19971223220850.006e58b8@philonline.com.ph> BTW, the dragondiles seem large on screen due to the finer resolution (600 dpi). The images will print out in 1/48 scale. ********************************************************************* Joey Valenciano WW1 modeller, teacher, jazz musician, joeyval@pusit.admu.edu.ph sitarist tel. (632) 921-26-75 Metro-Manila, Philippines "The more you know, the more you don't know." ********************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Dec 1997 18:24:16 +0100 From: "Tom Werner Hansen" To: Subject: Re: Model Photography Message-ID: <199712231715.SAA15050@d1o211.telia.com> There's a also a pretty article on the pictures and their origin in a Smithsonian magazine. I can't tell which issue, since I read it this summer in California, and CA is halfway round the globe from where I'm sitting writing this. Best of the Season's Wishes from the country of Julenissen (Santa Claus to some) (Beware of Finnish or Swedish imitations) Tom. ---------- > From: Sandy Adam > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Re: Model Photography > Date: 23. desember 1997 12:27 > > There is an extremely interesting article in one of the early C&C Int'ls > which goes through the whole C-L thing in detail. It starts from the lady's > gift of the photos and works backwards to the chaps who made the models and > there are some good close-up shots of the (static) models themselves. > Believe me, they look absolutely superb. > I don't have my C&Cs to hand but the web page has an index listing the > contents of every issue and I know the volume in question is on offer at > half-price just now. > If you're interested in C-L, this is the works on them. > Sandy > ---------- > > From: Redwilde > > To: Multiple recipients of list > > Subject: Model Photography > > Date: 22 December 1997 19:03 > > > > > > The thread on aerial photography got me over to the book shelf and > > pulling out my copy of Death In The Air : The War Diary And Photographs > > Of A Flying Corps Pilot (which I found in a used bookstore in Edinburgh > > years ago). First published in 1933, this book has the Cockburn-Lange > > hoax photographs. The diary is made up around a pilot who allegedly > > fixed a camera to his plane and got a wide variety of incredible combat > > photos. Some of the photos can be seen on the jacket cover of the 1990 > > edition of Jane's Fighting Aircraft Of World War I. The pictures have > > been pretty thoroughly analysed and proved to be model planes. I knew > > about the hoax when I purchased the "diary" back in 83,but couldn't > > resist adding the bookto my collection. > > However, > > However, the photos in the book are stunning and I've always wondered > > why they haven't inspired an ongoing style of model photography similar > > to that used by model railroaders -- ie trying to set up realistic > > looking aerial photos of the models "in action". > > > > Brian > > ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 816 *********************