WWI Digest 809 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: dragondile constrictor.... by BStett3770 2) RE: Pfalz DIII Elevators by "Paul Schwartzkopf" 3) Re: FMP- Berg D-1 Book by BStett3770 4) RE: Pfalz DIII Elevators by Shane Weier 5) Re: Pfalz DIII Elevators by The Shannons 6) RE: Pfalz DIII Elevators by "Paul Schwartzkopf" 7) Fokker Dr.I Triplanes by mbittner@juno.com 8) Brandenburg D.I by mbittner@juno.com 9) Re: Fokker Dr.I Triplanes by "Paul R. Howard" 10) OEF Albatros Datafile by "Paul R. Howard" 11) Re: Brandenburg D.I(correction) by Hirohisa Ozaki 12) Lone Star Junkers J.I and Lohner L by Joey Valenciano 13) Czechmasters W.12 by Bob Pearson 14) Czechmasters kits for sale/trade by "Patrick Gilmore" 15) Re: FMP- Berg D-1 Book by KarrArt 16) Re: Junkers Night by REwing 17) Re: dragondile constrictor.... by KarrArt 18) Re: Pfalz DIII Elevators by KarrArt 19) Re: Pfalz DIII Elevators by Joey Valenciano 20) Re: Munson accuracy by Graham Nash 21) Dragondile constrictor by Joey Valenciano 22) Re: Dragondile constrictor by Bob Pearson 23) Re: OEF Albatros Datafile by vedrank@pro1.sjever.fsb.hr (Vedran Kalamiza) 24) Re: dragondile constrictor.... by Jim Alley 25) Re: dragondile constrictor.... by Joey Valenciano 26) Re: Red Baron II by "Erik" 27) Re: Pfalz DIII Elevators by REwing 28) Re: Red Baron II by Andrew and Rebecca Hall 29) Re: OEF Albatros Datafile by "CHARLES JOHNSON" 30) Re: Fokker Dr.I Triplanes by "CHARLES JOHNSON" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 16:44:49 EST From: BStett3770 To: wwi Subject: Re: dragondile constrictor.... Message-ID: <54f0bad3.3495a673@aol.com> Hi Jim Per your question on the ink jet water problem. After you print the decals, overspray them with clear gloss or clear flat. That should seal them from the water when you dip them. Keep Modeling Barry Rosemont Hobby ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 16:34:29 +0000 From: "Paul Schwartzkopf" To: wwi Subject: RE: Pfalz DIII Elevators Message-ID: <199712151305.HAA28640@tscrypt1.transcrypt.com> > Actually, it is a problem on an aircraft if the tailplane provides > lift at all. Remember that the tailplane is there to provide > stability in the vertical plane, NOT to give the tail lift under > power. For this reason, most WW1 tailplanes are flat as a pancake, no > camber whatever. Shane, I agree with you. I was questioning the assembly in case I decide to enter the kit in a contest. The kit supplied (in case you haven't seen them) elevators have a definite airfoil to them. I'm sure some sharp-eyed judge would say "But he has the elevators glued on upside-down!", and I would instantly get taken out of any consideration for placing. Always trying the "CYA" approach if I want to enter a contest. Paul A. Schwartzkopf ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 16:22:46 EST From: BStett3770 To: wwi Subject: Re: FMP- Berg D-1 Book Message-ID: <61d6dec7.34959fa8@aol.com> Hi Matt Your right, I should read what I send out (only mailed 50 that day) Next title FMP hopes to do is Pete Grosz's Pfalz book. Keep Modeling Barry Rosemont Hobby ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 07:46:53 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: wwi Subject: RE: Pfalz DIII Elevators Message-ID: <199712152256.IAA12812@mimmon.mim.com.au> Paul, >Shane, I agree with you. I was questioning the assembly in case I >decide to enter the kit in a contest. The kit supplied (in case you haven't >seen them) elevators have a definite airfoil to them. I'm sure some sharp-eyed >judge would say "But he has the elevators glued on upside-down!", and >I would instantly get taken out of any consideration for placing. >Always trying the "CYA" approach if I want to enter a contest. Sorry, I never meant to imply that you never knew it, just got up on my lecturing podium and let fly. It *is* something of which many are not aware (and I share your concern that judges can be the worst offenders), so i thought I'd pass on what I'd read. This issue (judges, I mean) is one which can drive friends apart and ruin the overcommited to despair. Frankly, I am a "driven" competitor, but at least can see when a better model wins, or accept that opinions may vary, but have long learned that expert judges of WW1 models are as rare as original WW1 planes and that I should provide every possible assitance to alleviate their ignorance, so *my* Pfalz will have a description, photo and supporting eveidence - all underlined in dayglo orange ;-) Shane ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 16:51:58 -0600 From: The Shannons To: wwi Subject: Re: Pfalz DIII Elevators Message-ID: <3495B48E.3260@ix.netcom.com> Paul Schwartzkopf wrote: > > On the Eduard Pfalz DIII kit, there are "nubs" molded into the > fuselage to attach the elevators to. Following this indication, the > airfoil shape of the elevators is "upside down" from what logic would > suggest. Drawings by P L Gray support the Eduard kit. Is this > reverse logic actually correct for the DIII? TIA > > Paul A. Schwartzkopf -- I had always heard this. The earliest references indicated that this was so that the plane had to be held in a dive and wouldn't keep tucking under toward vertical. The tail reverse airfoil section was also supposed to facilitate dive recovery. I can't remember the reference, but one blamed the sluggish manuverability in part on this, but said it helped make for a very stable and fast dive. all I know is what I've read. -- This has been Mark and/or Mary Shannon at Shingend@ix.netcom.com History manages to get away with cliches no novelist could. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 17:11:09 +0000 From: "Paul Schwartzkopf" To: wwi Subject: RE: Pfalz DIII Elevators Message-ID: <199712151342.HAA29113@tscrypt1.transcrypt.com> Shane, no problem here. As a matter of fact, I enjoy the frankness of your responses, and those of other list members also. Paul > Sorry, I never meant to imply that you never knew it, just got up on > my lecturing podium and let fly. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 18:07:38 -0600 From: mbittner@juno.com To: wwi Subject: Fokker Dr.I Triplanes Message-ID: <19971215.180739.14646.1.mbittner@juno.com> I have two decal sheets I will give to anyone who wants either one, or both of them. The first is a partial sheet, Superscale #48-452; Jacobs, Vallendor, Raben. It's missing the markings for Raben. The second is a full sheet, Aeromaster #48-074; Kempf, an unknown Jasta 2 bird with stripes, Baumer's, an unknown Jasta 26 with an 'X' under the cockpit. So, they will go to the first person/persons to email me which one(s) they want. Be sure to send my your snail mail address. Consider this an early Christmas present! :-) Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 18:01:20 -0600 From: mbittner@juno.com To: wwi Subject: Brandenburg D.I Message-ID: <19971215.180739.14646.0.mbittner@juno.com> Well, now that I have begun to read the FMP book, I have become aware of a few things. First, there were two "major" types of D.I's: the type 65 built by Hansa Brandenburg, and the type 28 built by Phoenix. Within each "major" types were a number of "minor" ones. There were two "main" sub-versions of the type 65, the type 65.5 and type 65.7. Within the type 28 series there were two main types, only known as the "first and second build" as one sub-version, and the "third build" as the other sub-version. Why do I mention this? Because I'm making up an HTML table that will list all known Brandenburg models, and I need everyone's help. Now that we know what kits are/were out there, I would like to know which version a particular kit will make "easily". Granted, anything can be made out of anything, but I would like to know which version the kit is supposed to be made into. :-) For example, the Classic Plane 1/72nd vac will make the first and second version of the type 28. It will make the third version of the type 28 with modification. It will not build *easily* into the type 65. So, others? Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 18:31:13 -0600 From: "Paul R. Howard" To: Subject: Re: Fokker Dr.I Triplanes Message-ID: <01bd09b9$e9f529c0$2f868ece@default> Hey Matt, You said the words.... DR 1 and 48th Scale... Paul Howard 2634 South 10th Abilene,TX 79605 I'd sure like to do another Baumer Dr1... Cheers, The Above -----Original Message----- From: mbittner@juno.com To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Monday, December 15, 1997 6:18 PM Subject: Fokker Dr.I Triplanes >I have two decal sheets I will give to anyone who wants either one, or >both of them. > >The first is a partial sheet, Superscale #48-452; Jacobs, Vallendor, >Raben. It's missing the markings for Raben. > >The second is a full sheet, Aeromaster #48-074; Kempf, an unknown Jasta 2 >bird with stripes, Baumer's, an unknown Jasta 26 with an 'X' under the >cockpit. > >So, they will go to the first person/persons to email me which one(s) >they want. Be sure to send my your snail mail address. Consider this an >early Christmas present! :-) > > >Matt Bittner > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 18:51:14 -0600 From: "Paul R. Howard" To: "post wwi" Subject: OEF Albatros Datafile Message-ID: <01bd09bc$b5953c80$2f868ece@default> Hi All, I posted that I had an extra WS Datafile No.19 for trade a while back. This volume is just taking up space here, so I'm looking to send it to a good home. Matt reminded me of the season with his offer for, the DR.1 decals, so I'm all I need is an appropriate address to see it to. Of course, if nobody needs it, I guess I can just send it to the list librarian... Cheers, Paul H ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 10:11:49 +0900 From: Hirohisa Ozaki To: wwi Subject: Re: Brandenburg D.I(correction) Message-ID: <199712160113.KAA00982@zoo.miln.mei.co.jp> >>1/48th >Sierra Scale models - vac + injection parts (exhaust pipe, wheels,etc., discontinue) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Sorry, there are "metal parts", prop, exhaust pipe, radiator detail(pipe?). And early tipe rudder vac parts is included. Hiro. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 10:12:00 +0800 From: Joey Valenciano To: wwi Subject: Lone Star Junkers J.I and Lohner L Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19971216101200.006d68b0@philonline.com.ph> Hi all, Just got this message from Mike West of Lone Star: The Junkers was recently reviewed in Wind Sock magazine too. It has a vacfuselage,and wings with the tail unit , lower center section, and ailerons in resin. There are over 50 etched brass parts and around 30 whitemetal parts. Decals are also included. The Lohner 'L' comes with a resin hull and vac flying surfaces, and if I remember corectly 10 white metal parts. Decals are also included. ********************************************************************* Joey Valenciano WW1 modeller, teacher, jazz musician, joeyval@pusit.admu.edu.ph sitarist tel. (632) 921-26-75 Metro-Manila, Philippines "The more you know, the more you don't know." ********************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 18:16:53 -0800 From: Bob Pearson To: WW1 Mailing list Subject: Czechmasters W.12 Message-ID: <02165389280058@KAIEN.COM> Greetings all, To return to my earlier posts regarding German seaplanes, a Czechmaster 1/72 resin Brandenburg W.12 just landed on my doorstep a 1/2 hour ago (in the dark and rain - an admirable landing). First viewing says this is a beautifully done kit, with all parts nicely laid out in separate compartments of a common bag, and encased in very thin flash. The only thing lacking are decals - and other companies can provide those easily enough. Has anyone built this kit yet? Regards, Bob Pearson ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 22:56:38 -0500 From: "Patrick Gilmore" To: Subject: Czechmasters kits for sale/trade Message-ID: <199712160400.XAA08646@sulaco.novagate.net> I have pretty much abandoned building any 1/72nd scale kits and have several Czechmasters kits (plus others) that I would like to trade for 1/48th scale kits. I would rather take trade items as opposed to selling these outright but if you want to make an offer go ahead. The kits I have for trade: Czechmasters: Breguet 14B2 Airco DH-5 (best of the lot - excellent detail and casting, hard to part with this one) Sopwith Dolphin Sopwith Snipe Meikcraft: Pfalz DIII/DIIIa (complete unbuilt kit, 3 intstrument decals cut from 1 sheet) Pegasus: Pfalz DIIIa Please email me direct for any offers, Patrick Gilmore petrov26@novagate.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 01:35:11 EST From: KarrArt To: wwi Subject: Re: FMP- Berg D-1 Book Message-ID: In a message dated 97-12-16 01:28:51 EST, you write: << Next title FMP hopes to do is Pete Grosz's Pfalz book. Keep Modeling Barry Rosemont Hobby >> YIPPEE!!!!!!!!!(my copy of the little 1964 booklet is wearing out) Robert ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 01:43:37 EST From: REwing To: wwi Subject: Re: Junkers Night Message-ID: <51fe2955.3496231c@aol.com> In a message dated 97-12-15 09:12:15 EST, you write: << Are the LS J.1 wings resin? - the Windsock photo layout looks like vac - or >did it maybe change from one to the other? >> I bought the kit about a year ago. The wings are vac except for the ailerons and the lower wing's center section. If ypu really hunger for a J.1 and the price doesn't scare you off, I really recommend the kit. The amount of detail in the cockpit area is amazing, but you'll need the Datafile to help locate a lot of the pieces. The Windsock review is a fair one. The review also shows vac wings. -Rick- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 01:35:10 EST From: KarrArt To: wwi Subject: Re: dragondile constrictor.... Message-ID: <30fb0a18.34962120@aol.com> In a message dated 97-12-15 15:17:54 EST, you write: << There's this giant problem lurking in my mind, though: the ink from inkjet printers is water soluble. How can this be overcome? >> I've never been able to get the ink to do anything other than bead up and refuse to dry. If it would just lay down flat and dry, I could gradually coat the beast with something water proof. Robert ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 02:04:14 EST From: KarrArt To: wwi Subject: Re: Pfalz DIII Elevators Message-ID: <4dfe0463.349627f0@aol.com> In a message dated 97-12-16 01:49:07 EST, you write: << I'm sure some sharp-eyed >judge would say "But he has the elevators glued on upside-down!", and >I would instantly get taken out of any consideration for placing. >Always trying the "CYA" approach if I want to enter a contest. Sorry, I never meant to imply that you never knew it, just got up on my lecturing podium and let fly. It *is* something of which many are not aware (and I share your concern that judges can be the worst offenders), so i thought I'd pass on what I'd read. This issue (judges, I mean) is one which can drive friends apart and ruin the overcommited to despair. Frankly, I am a "driven" competitor, but at least can see when a better model wins, or accept that opinions may vary, but have long learned that expert judges of WW1 models are as rare as original WW1 planes and that I should provide every possible assitance to alleviate their ignorance, so *my* Pfalz will have a description, photo and supporting eveidence - all underlined in dayglo orange ;-) Shane >> And to increase your insanity, some photos show a definite twist across the span of the elevator trailing edge- notably a shot of the prototype on page 2 of the DataFile.This feature doesn't seem to be on all production machines, but a few. Robert ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 15:59:54 +0800 From: Joey Valenciano To: wwi Subject: Re: Pfalz DIII Elevators Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19971216155954.006b41c8@philonline.com.ph> At 02:21 AM 12/16/97 -0500, Robert wrote: >And to increase your insanity, some photos show a definite twist across the >span of the elevator trailing edge- notably a shot of the prototype on page 2 >of the DataFile.This feature doesn't seem to be on all production machines, >but a few. To counteract prop torque? It's twisted in the right direction for that. ********************************************************************* Joey Valenciano WW1 modeller, teacher, jazz musician, joeyval@pusit.admu.edu.ph sitarist tel. (632) 921-26-75 Metro-Manila, Philippines "The more you know, the more you don't know." ********************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 09:00:17 -0800 From: Graham Nash To: wwi Subject: Re: Munson accuracy Message-ID: <199712160856.AA26760@egate2.citicorp.com> Joey Valenciano wrote: > > At 11:43 AM 12/15/97 -0500, you wrote: > > I've never seen any photos of planes with the > >'coloured match stick' camoflage, (which I think the book shows on some > >early B and C types). > > How does this look like? Brief description please. > > ********************************************************************* > > Joey Valenciano WW1 modeller, teacher, jazz musician, > joeyval@pusit.admu.edu.ph sitarist > tel. (632) 921-26-75 > Metro-Manila, Philippines > > "The more you know, the more you don't know." > > ********************************************************************* Erm..., well, the top of the top wing is covered with what I can only describe as coloured cuisonaire-like rectangles. They are about the width of a wing rib, length about 2/3rds of the wing chord and are set at differing angles, but generally pointing roughly in the line of flight. /-----------------------------------------------\ / \-\ __ \-\ \ / \ \ / / \ \ \ / \ \ / / \ \ \ / \-\ /_/ \_\ \ ----------------------------------------------------------- Sort of like the above, but many more of them, and I think some may have over-lapped. They look fascinating, and would be much easier to paint than lozenge, and would (IMHO) brighten up some of the German/Austrian aircraft of 1915 vintage. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 16:39:36 +0800 From: Joey Valenciano To: wwi Subject: Dragondile constrictor Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19971216163936.006b41c8@philonline.com.ph> Hi all, I just emailed the Dragondiles to Allan for posting. Two formats available: Corel Draw Adobe Illustrator I tried converting them to .gif or .jpg format but they became real grainy & ugly when I did. Is there any way to convert them to these formats without losing detail? ********************************************************************* Joey Valenciano WW1 modeller, teacher, jazz musician, joeyval@pusit.admu.edu.ph sitarist tel. (632) 921-26-75 Metro-Manila, Philippines "The more you know, the more you don't know." ********************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 02:29:06 -0800 From: Bob Pearson To: WW1 Mailing list Subject: Re: Dragondile constrictor Message-ID: <10290698980791@KAIEN.COM> Joey, I just converted them to Photoshop JPGs at 600dpi. To do so open photoshop, scroll to OPEN, Select 48drago2.ai. You will then get a window asking what size you wish the image to be, type in 300, 600, or 720 depending on what your printer can handle - the higher the number, the better the detail. Save in photoshop. You will then have to copy and paste it to another window to save as a photoshop jpg (at least you do in PS 3.04). Regards, Bob Pearson ---------- > From: Joey Valenciano > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Dragondile constrictor > Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 04:15:13 -0500 > > Hi all, > > I just emailed the Dragondiles to Allan for posting. > > Two formats available: > Corel Draw > Adobe Illustrator > > I tried converting them to .gif or .jpg format but they became real grainy > & ugly when I did. Is there any way to convert them to these formats > without losing detail? > > > ********************************************************************* > > Joey Valenciano WW1 modeller, teacher, jazz musician, > joeyval@pusit.admu.edu.ph sitarist > tel. (632) 921-26-75 > Metro-Manila, Philippines > > "The more you know, the more you don't know." > > ********************************************************************* > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 11:28:48 +0100 From: vedrank@pro1.sjever.fsb.hr (Vedran Kalamiza) To: wwi Subject: Re: OEF Albatros Datafile Message-ID: <199712161028.LAA03952@pro4.sjever.fsb.hr> Well I sure am interested.Please send price,P&P and means of payment info. Vedran Kalamiza ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 08:28:49 EST From: Jim Alley To: wwi Subject: Re: dragondile constrictor.... Message-ID: >I could also convert it into an Adobe Illustrator file (I do have the >software too). But when I converted the file into Adobe I. format I lost >the black fill. I don't know how to "fill" in Illustrator. Any advice here? Older versions of Illustrator forced two different "views:" In the working view, all you could see was the paths; in the preview mode, you could see the fills, but you couldn't edit the drawing. (Yes, this was stupid. After FreeHand showed them a better way, they discovered it themselves -- much like Microsoft.) >I tried converting them to .gif or .jpg format but they became real grainy >& ugly when I did. Is there any way to convert them to these formats >without losing detail? I assume this is a resolution thing. The original files are in a vector format. This means that they are "device-independent" -- that they are not tied to any particular resolution and adjust themselves to match whatever output device you're using -- monitor, printer, imagesetter. When you convert vector graphics to .gif or .jpeg format, you rasterize them (convert them to pixels). Pixels are always at a specific resolution, and it's usually low for Web graphics -- maybe 72 dots per inch. 72dpi looks okay on a 72dpi monitor, but looks pretty bad when you print them out on a printer capable of 600dpi or better. Incidentally, .gif often brutalizes fine detail more than .jpeg, but both formats THROW AWAY data, thus guaranteeing degradation. Another thing that can make graphics look "grainy" is color depth. The chances are that your monitor and drawing program are working in 24-bit color, which yields millions of colors (2 to the 24th power = 16 million plus). The Web, on the other hand, only supports 216 colors. In order to convert 16 million to 216, the graphics program "dithers" the colors. This means that it breaks colors into dots of different colors (kinda like pointilism) that vaguely resemble the original colors, but are pretty jaggy upon inspection. Again, it can look okay on screen, but usually looks pretty putrid when you print it. Sorry if that's more than you wanted to know. I teach this stuff. Lecture mode off. Jim Alley ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 22:41:57 +0800 From: Joey Valenciano To: wwi Subject: Re: dragondile constrictor.... Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19971216224157.006b580c@philonline.com.ph> Thanks for the advice, Jim. >>I could also convert it into an Adobe Illustrator file (I do have the >>software too). But when I converted the file into Adobe I. format I lost >>the black fill. I don't know how to "fill" in Illustrator. Any advice here? Bob taught me how to convert to .jpg and still get a clear enough image. So far, I've sent Allan the dragon in the following formats: Corel Draw Adobe Illustrator JPG I'd still recommend using the first 2 formats as they do print a more detailed image. ********************************************************************* Joey Valenciano WW1 modeller, teacher, jazz musician, joeyval@pusit.admu.edu.ph sitarist tel. (632) 921-26-75 Metro-Manila, Philippines "The more you know, the more you don't know." ********************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 07:46:22 +0000 From: "Erik" To: Don RInker , wwi Subject: Re: Red Baron II Message-ID: <199712161545.HAA15306@glinda.oz.net> On 15 Dec 97, Don RInker heroically postulated: > Flying Corps GOLD ( just released), is light years beyond RB2 in terms > of atmosphere, flight modeling, enemy AI, and graphics with a capital > "G". It's weaker in that the > missions are scripted. But there is an excellent and extremely powerful > mission > ediotr so you can set up elaborate historical encounters with up to 60 > planes per > side. > FC GOLD is natually very demanding of the PC and wants at leaset a P-150 > and one of > those new 3D video cards ike the 3DFX voodoo or Rendtion. > With respect, Don, I work at Sierra and (company loyalties aside), I have been doing the de-bug and TS for RBII for the last 3 months. I would say that you are utterly incorrect. I specifically compared RBII to FC-G, and I do not share your evaluation of either platform, except in the area of graphics. It is true that the graphics in FC-G are better in some ways, but then this requires more system hardware in turn. The alleged Min.Systsem Requirements (MSL) for FC-G are a complete joke-- if you think you this game can be played on a P150 you'll be monumentally disappointed. My P200 at work is completely inadequate for the task (despite the Rendition card, et al.), and I personally recommend a P-II chip of 300 mhz to play this buffalo. OTOH, I can play RBII on my P-100 at home; the MSL for the game was very conservative, indeed. Also, the detail levels are fully adjustable in all respects, and slower machines can even use a 320x200 screen res. mode if you want to have all the detail on, but your CPU can't accomodate you in 640x480. > RB2 has dated graphics, an ARCADE flight model, but a fully dynamic > campaign and a career mode, if you're inclined to emulate RB's career. I wonder if you did not play the Aplha version of the game (there was no Beta of it)? Your statement does NOT reflect the release product at all, and the flight model in RBII is better than FC-G's, by a fair margin. The flight characteristics are erroneous, yes, in many ways, and FAR too generous in others (ever tried to stall a PC flight simulator?), but compared to FC-G's.... This is not even to approach the matter of computer AI. In RBII I have yet to complete any career past the 4th or 5th mission, yet in FC-G I was able to obtain 26 victories in five missions. With ease. I found the enemy pilot AI in FC-G laughable, and there is NO situational AI as in RBII, wherein random events (such as raids, attacks, various ground activities, et al) occur all the time to throw a bunch more realism into the situational mix. I'm not claiming the pilot AI in RBII is perfect, but it's a gigantic step ahead of FC-G's crude routines. > It does had a multiplayer area on the Sierra WON net, but its limited to > only a few players per match. Theoretically, the maximum is 175. However, internet latency will restrict this number in most cases to about 8, or so, and more than that is not allowed at this time. > It has no mission editor. ????? You mean RBII!? It has a superb and detailed mission editor, not to mention other features. > > Internally, people inside Sierra admitted that an advanced flight model > was PULLED from RB2 shortly before its release to dumb it down for Joe > Sixpack. Some of it may be reinstated in a few months along with a > graphics upgrade, which will naaturally mean a machine similar to that > for FC GOLD. > I'd like to know where this "information" was obtained. It is true that a patch is due out to add some realism features of the model back into the game for the Advanced Mode flight model, but these were not omitted for any kind of target audience. > My own personal flight experince leads me to select FC GOLD, but if > youre into > role playing, RB2 may be the ticket.... > Well, you're welcome to that opinion, but I don't agree in any sense. I'd invite any further discussion on this topic to move off-group to private e-mail, as it is not Modeling related. But, I'll be happy to offer the comparisons I made between a number of products and RBII. Cheers, Erik ------------------------------------------------- "It is because Nations tend to stupidity and baseness that mankind moves so slowly; it is because individuals have a capacity for better things that it moves at all." G.R. Gissing ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 01:48:16 EST From: REwing To: wwi Subject: Re: Pfalz DIII Elevators Message-ID: In a message dated 97-12-15 11:12:29 EST, you write: << > On the Eduard Pfalz DIII kit, there are "nubs" molded into the > fuselage to attach the elevators to. Following this indication, the > airfoil shape of the elevators is "upside down" from what logic would > suggest. Drawings by P L Gray support the Eduard kit. Is this > reverse logic actually correct for the DIII? TIA > > Paul A. Schwartzkopf >> The model is correct. All the drawings I've seen of this aircraft the stab is "upside down". -Rick- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 10:21:55 -0600 From: Andrew and Rebecca Hall To: wwi Cc: Erik Subject: Re: Red Baron II Message-ID: <3496AAA3.7937@phoenix.net> Erik wrote: > I'd invite any further discussion on this topic to move > off-group to private e-mail, as it is not Modeling related. It's appropriate to move this thread off-group, but I (for one) would appreciate being able to "listen in" on any further discussion of RBII and FC-G. I've recently completed a major system upgrade, and I'm looking for a good WWI sim. (I still fly the original RB.) Informed discussion/evaluation/criticism of both RBII and FC-G would be very helpful for me and, I think, many others. As an MSFS/Flight Shop modeler of WWI aircraft, I am particularly interested in RBII's advertised feature allowing users to create custom textures/markings for their aircraft. I'd really like to know more about how this works and its capabilities/limitations. ----------> Andy Hall ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 12:40:49 -0500 From: "CHARLES JOHNSON" To: Subject: Re: OEF Albatros Datafile Message-ID: <19971216174255.AAA16710@default> if you still have it ,i could use it ,just getting back into the hobby, and lack any and all ref. material C.Johnson 101 Valleywood Dr. Forest , Va. 24551 ---------- > From: Paul R. Howard > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: OEF Albatros Datafile > Date: Monday, December 15, 1997 7:55 PM > > Hi All, > I posted that I had an extra WS Datafile No.19 for trade a while back. > This volume is just taking up space here, so I'm looking to send > it to a good home. Matt reminded me of the season with his offer for, > the DR.1 decals, so I'm all I need is an appropriate address to see it to. > Of course, if nobody needs it, I guess I can just send it to the list > librarian... > > Cheers, > > Paul H ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 12:43:39 -0500 From: "CHARLES JOHNSON" To: Subject: Re: Fokker Dr.I Triplanes Message-ID: <19971216174544.AAA18419@default> just getting back into the hobby and lack alot of ref.material and other things , this would help out a lot C.Johnson 101 Valleywood Dr. forest, Va. 24551 ---------- > From: Paul R. Howard > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Re: Fokker Dr.I Triplanes > Date: Monday, December 15, 1997 7:35 PM > > Hey Matt, > > You said the words.... DR 1 and 48th Scale... > > Paul Howard > 2634 South 10th > Abilene,TX 79605 > > I'd sure like to do another Baumer Dr1... > > Cheers, > > The Above > -----Original Message----- > From: mbittner@juno.com > To: Multiple recipients of list > Date: Monday, December 15, 1997 6:18 PM > Subject: Fokker Dr.I Triplanes > > > >I have two decal sheets I will give to anyone who wants either one, or > >both of them. > > > >The first is a partial sheet, Superscale #48-452; Jacobs, Vallendor, > >Raben. It's missing the markings for Raben. > > > >The second is a full sheet, Aeromaster #48-074; Kempf, an unknown Jasta 2 > >bird with stripes, Baumer's, an unknown Jasta 26 with an 'X' under the > >cockpit. > > > >So, they will go to the first person/persons to email me which one(s) > >they want. Be sure to send my your snail mail address. Consider this an > >early Christmas present! :-) > > > > > >Matt Bittner > > ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 809 *********************