WWI Digest 807 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Brandenburg D.I by mbittner@juno.com 2) Re: Colour of the frames of the Fokker EIII by mbittner@juno.com 3) Re: FMP- Berg D-1 Book by mbittner@juno.com 4) Re: Max Muller Albatros Questions by Riordan and Michelle Goodwin 5) Re: Thanks, etc by Riordan and Michelle Goodwin 6) New Member with a question by "CHARLES JOHNSON" 7) Re: Brandenburg D.I by Charles Hart 8) Re: New Member with a question by mbittner@juno.com 9) New Member's Fokker D-VI by Charles Hart 10) Re: New Member with a question by "Don RInker" 11) Re: New Member's Fokker D-VI by "Don RInker" 12) Re: New Member's Fokker D-VI by michel.lefort@ping.be (Michel LEFORT) 13) 1/48th Fok D-VI by Matthew Zivich 14) Re: Colour of the frames of the Fokker EIII by bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) 15) Re: New Member with a question by The Shannons 16) Re: Brandenburg D.I by Hirohisa Ozaki 17) Re: Off topic -- copper hull plating by B-A-L 18) Re: Eduard Albatros DV brass by Mick Fauchon 19) Re: Max Muller Albatros Questions by John & Allison Cyganowski 20) Re: Brandenburg D.I by "Gerald P. McOsker" 21) Belated reply; was:Re: Belated catch up by Mick Fauchon 22) Re: Off topic -- copper hull plating by smodels@ne.infi.net 23) Re: Max Muller Albatros Questions by "Patrick Gilmore" 24) wood grain decals by KarrArt 25) Re: New Member with a question by KarrArt 26) Re: Junkers Night by KarrArt 27) Atkins WW I kits by Charles Hart 28) Re: Eduard Albatros DV brass by Suvoroff 29) Re: FMP- Berg D-1 Book by "Sandy Adam" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 14 Dec 1997 10:52:45 -0600 From: mbittner@juno.com To: wwi Subject: Brandenburg D.I Message-ID: <19971214.105246.4446.3.mbittner@juno.com> With the release of the excellent FMP book, I want to do a kit survey of the known D.I kits. Here are the ones I'm aware of: 1/72nd Classic Plane - vac 1/48th Eduard - injection Can anybody help with filling in any others? TIA! Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Dec 1997 10:35:11 -0600 From: mbittner@juno.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Colour of the frames of the Fokker EIII Message-ID: <19971214.105246.4446.0.mbittner@juno.com> On Sun, 14 Dec 1997 05:21:16 -0500 michel.lefort@ping.be (Michel LEFORT) writes: >I'm currently working on a Fokker EIII from Eduard. I'm building a new >interior from scratch, but I cannot find any reference on the colour >of the tubing used for the frame of the aircraft. Any comment? TIA. I'll take a stab at it. I would guess one of the German primers. Some say "mid-gray", while others say "gray-green". Me, I would go with "gray-green", just to add some color. :-) BTW, Testor's makes a good "gray-green" by the name of "SAC Bomber Green". Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Dec 1997 10:50:04 -0600 From: mbittner@juno.com To: wwi Subject: Re: FMP- Berg D-1 Book Message-ID: <19971214.105246.4446.2.mbittner@juno.com> On Sat, 13 Dec 1997 20:56:01 -0500 BStett3770 writes: >Per the title of the FMP book > >Berg D-1 Starstutter Well, since my copy just came from Barry (on a Sunday, no less!) I'll have to correct him. The title on the front of the book is: _Brandenburg D.I_ When I first saw it, my brain saw _Berg D.I_ which is why I thought Aviatik. BTW, this is a beautiful book. There are *30* machines represented as color plates. Anyone interested in this machine *must* have this book. I honestly feel that Ray Rimmel has his work cut out for him. He has some serious competition. Heck, even if you aren't interested in this machine, buy this book. I really liked the S.16 book, but this one is so much better. Does anybody know what the next title will be in this series, "Great War Aircraft in Profile"? Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Dec 1997 09:57:51 -0800 From: Riordan and Michelle Goodwin To: wwi Subject: Re: Max Muller Albatros Questions Message-ID: <34941E1F.8FA@ricochet.net> Patrick Gilmore wrote: > > Does anyone know of a decal set that has markings for the Albatros DV flown > by Max Muller from Jasta 28 in 1/48th? I think this may be on one of the Superscale sheets in the 100 series, 102 or 106? Not sure. Its been a few months since I looked at them. Good luck, Riordan -- --------------------------------------- This e-mail has been brought to you by - Riordan and Michelle Goodwin - ***************************** Great Holiday Gift Ideas at Jewels of the Silk Road http://www.silkroadjewels.com ***************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Dec 1997 10:02:44 -0800 From: Riordan and Michelle Goodwin To: wwi Subject: Re: Thanks, etc Message-ID: <34941F44.C19@ricochet.net> rojo1@concentric.net wrote: > Please always enclose a > note when sending me your only copies. Nothing has happened to them, > but I do like to know when I've got something that is not mine and > thus is not losable. Of course. Sorry for the oversight. Was in a pinch just trying to get stuff in the mail. Riordan -- --------------------------------------- This e-mail has been brought to you by - Riordan and Michelle Goodwin - ***************************** Great Holiday Gift Ideas at Jewels of the Silk Road http://www.silkroadjewels.com ***************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Dec 1997 13:32:41 -0500 From: "CHARLES JOHNSON" To: "ww I group" Subject: New Member with a question Message-ID: <19971214183451.AAA28792@default> Just getting back into the hobby after many years of inactivity, have made made 2 glenco models just to hone my skills again. Iam building an Eduard 1/48 th Fokker D.VI and the lack of research material leaves me needing to know... was this a fabric covered fuselage or was it plywood???? What color was the cockpit interior???? I have finished the P.E.brass cockpit and painted it as per the directions.. The white metal rotary engine needs to be cleaned up some ,but my problem here is the P.E. brass piece that goes behind the engine, Im not sure how it is suppose to look, does it have to be bent in any certain way, it looks like it should be, but im not sure how it should look.Any help in these matters would be greatly appreciated. And TIA for any info... Charlie...... ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Dec 1997 11:57:28 -0700 From: Charles Hart To: wwi Subject: Re: Brandenburg D.I Message-ID: >With the release of the excellent FMP book, I want to do a kit survey of >the known D.I kits. Here are the ones I'm aware of: > >1/72nd >Classic Plane - vac > >1/48th >Eduard - injection > >Can anybody help with filling in any others? TIA! > > >Matt Bittner C.A. Atkins, 1/72 White metal Hansa-Brandenburg D-I A very nice kit I might add, in spite of its unusual media. Other Atkins WW I releases, 1/72, all kits are cast white metal Aviatik Berg D-I (includes alternative nose panels) (basis for Aeroclub injection kit) Halberstadt D-III Phoenix D-II Fokker D-VIII 1/48 mixed media kits (vac, cast metal, PE) Fokker Dr-I, Sopwith Camel night fighter These kits were produced between about 1984 and 1989 and are OUT OF PRODUCTION. If you are interested in one, start looking at hobby swap meets, you never know what will turn up. Charles hartc@spot.colorado.edu ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Dec 1997 12:57:44 -0600 From: mbittner@juno.com To: wwi Subject: Re: New Member with a question Message-ID: <19971214.125750.16918.0.mbittner@juno.com> On Sun, 14 Dec 1997 13:38:34 -0500 "CHARLES JOHNSON" writes: > Just getting back into the hobby after many years of > inactivity, have made made 2 glenco models just to hone my > skills again. Iam building an Eduard 1/48 th Fokker D.VI and > the lack of research material leaves me needing to know... was > this a fabric covered fuselage or was it plywood???? What > color was the cockpit interior???? I have finished the > P.E.brass cockpit and painted it as per the directions.. The > white metal rotary engine needs to be cleaned up some ,but my > problem here is the P.E. brass piece that goes behind the > engine, Im not sure how it is suppose to look, does it have to > be bent in any certain way, it looks like it should be, but im > not sure how it should look.Any help in these matters would be > greatly appreciated. Welcome to the fold! This is a great list, one that will answer most of your WW1 questions. >From what I remember, the Fokker D.VI was all fabric, and all machines I have seen *seem* to have been 5-color lozenge covered. The cockpit interior I would guess to be reverse lozenge on the sides, with German "gray-green" primer on the metal, tubular structure. However, I'm sure there are others more familiar with this machine than I am, so I turn to them for the definitive answer. Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Dec 1997 12:11:09 -0700 From: Charles Hart To: wwi Subject: New Member's Fokker D-VI Message-ID: >On Sun, 14 Dec 1997 13:38:34 -0500 "CHARLES JOHNSON" > writes: > >> Just getting back into the hobby after many years of >> inactivity, have made made 2 glenco models just to hone my >> skills again. Iam building an Eduard 1/48 th Fokker D.VI and Nice kit to start with. >> the lack of research material leaves me needing to know... was >> this a fabric covered fuselage or was it plywood???? What >> color was the cockpit interior???? I have finished the >> P.E.brass cockpit and painted it as per the directions.. The >> white metal rotary engine needs to be cleaned up some ,but my >> problem here is the P.E. brass piece that goes behind the >> engine, Im not sure how it is suppose to look, does it have to >> be bent in any certain way, it looks like it should be, but im >> not sure how it should look.Any help in these matters would be >> greatly appreciated. > >Welcome to the fold! This is a great list, one that will answer >most of your WW1 questions. > >>From what I remember, the Fokker D.VI was all fabric, and all >machines I have seen *seem* to have been 5-color lozenge covered. Like many (but not all) Fokker products, the D-VI has 4-color lozenge fabric. This is the decal included with the kit. The decals for the wing look a little odd since it shows an application patter for the lozenge fabric that was not used by Fokker. (I know, more detail than you wanted to know) Charles hartc@spot.colorado.edu >The cockpit interior I would guess to be reverse lozenge on the >sides, with German "gray-green" primer on the metal, tubular >structure. > >However, I'm sure there are others more familiar with this >machine than I am, so I turn to them for the definitive answer. > > >Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Dec 1997 15:10:34 -0500 From: "Don RInker" To: Subject: Re: New Member with a question Message-ID: <01bd08cc$5611ce40$2191f5ce@default> > >>From what I remember, the Fokker D.VI was all fabric, and all >machines I have seen *seem* to have been 5-color lozenge covered. > "Okay SHerman.... Set the Wayback Machine for Germany, 1917..." " Right Mr. Peabody....." (For Non Americans.. This refers to a Cartoon in the Rocky and Bullwinkle show) >The cockpit interior I would guess to be reverse lozenge on the >sides, with German "gray-green" primer on the metal, tubular >structure. > Now just what was that famous mixture again ?? Green-Gray or Gray- Green.... That oughta be good for two weeks discussion :-) Running away ..................... ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Dec 1997 15:12:59 -0500 From: "Don RInker" To: Subject: Re: New Member's Fokker D-VI Message-ID: <01bd08cc$ac98fd60$2191f5ce@default> > Like many (but not all) Fokker products, the D-VI has 4-color lozenge >fabric. ...... uhhh ohhhh... Damn these wayback controls are frozen. We wont be able to get a difinitive answer until someone wipes all this Grey- Green paint off the panel.... ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Dec 1997 20:16:33 GMT From: michel.lefort@ping.be (Michel LEFORT) To: wwi Subject: Re: New Member's Fokker D-VI Message-ID: <34953e32.111630069@relay.ping.be> On Sun, 14 Dec 1997 14:12:38 -0500, Charles Hart wrote: --- snip --- > > Like many (but not all) Fokker products, the D-VI has 4-color = lozenge >fabric. This is the decal included with the kit. The decals for the = wing >look a little odd since it shows an application patter for the lozenge >fabric that was not used by Fokker. (I know, more detail than you wanted= to >know) > BTW, Americal makes fine decals of reversed patterns with subdued colours for the inside of the aircrafts. I have some samples and I find them very useful (not painting required as I'm a bit lazy ;-)) and very well done, IMHO. Regards. -- Michel Lefort - Braine-l'Alleud, Belgium IPMS Belgium Treasurer & Foreign Liaison Officer (member F072) MAFVA member #6708 http://www.ping.be/ipms Plastic Modelling is holding History in your Hand ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Dec 1997 17:15:52 -0500 (EST) From: Matthew Zivich To: wwi Cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: 1/48th Fok D-VI Message-ID: Charles, et.al., I made this craft a couple of years before Eduard came out with their model. I used a Fok Dr.I body & empennage with slight modifications and a Fok. D-VII's wings, ditto. I based my model on the one illustrated in the color illustrated book of fighter aircraft, 1914-19. (I don't remember the exact title.) I believe the auther was Munsell. Shown was a D-VI from the Russian Front with green & purple camouflage and a light blue underside. The rudder-fin was white and a large letter "A" appeared center top wing. Mid fuselage and front of empennage had the two-banded stripes in black and white that I believe represent a Prussian unit. No interior detail to speak of in this illustration, but my guess is similar to the Dr-I and there are lots of those illustrations around. This model was an easy conversion using two Smer kits that together were considerably less in cost than the Eduard kit. And that's not to mention the gratification in accomplishing the task of making the conversion work and having a unique model. Matt Z On Sun, 14 Dec 1997 mbittner@juno.com wrote: > On Sun, 14 Dec 1997 13:38:34 -0500 "CHARLES JOHNSON" > writes: > > > Just getting back into the hobby after many years of > > inactivity, have made made 2 glenco models just to hone my > > skills again. Iam building an Eduard 1/48 th Fokker D.VI and > > the lack of research material leaves me needing to know... was > > this a fabric covered fuselage or was it plywood???? What > > color was the cockpit interior???? I have finished the > > P.E.brass cockpit and painted it as per the directions.. The > > white metal rotary engine needs to be cleaned up some ,but my > > problem here is the P.E. brass piece that goes behind the > > engine, Im not sure how it is suppose to look, does it have to > > be bent in any certain way, it looks like it should be, but im > > not sure how it should look.Any help in these matters would be > > greatly appreciated. > > Welcome to the fold! This is a great list, one that will answer > most of your WW1 questions. > > >From what I remember, the Fokker D.VI was all fabric, and all > machines I have seen *seem* to have been 5-color lozenge covered. > > The cockpit interior I would guess to be reverse lozenge on the > sides, with German "gray-green" primer on the metal, tubular > structure. > > However, I'm sure there are others more familiar with this > machine than I am, so I turn to them for the definitive answer. > > > Matt Bittner > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Dec 1997 14:30:38 -0800 From: bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) To: wwi Subject: Re: Colour of the frames of the Fokker EIII Message-ID: <199712142230.AA00113@ednet1.orednet.org> Michel Lefort writes: > >I'm currently working on a Fokker EIII from Eduard. I'm building a new >interior from scratch, but I cannot find any reference on the colour of >the tubing used for the frame of the aircraft. Any comment? TIA. >Regards. No guarantees, of course, but from the b/w photos of the uncovered E.IIIs and E.IVs, I'd say the gray-green "universal" primer is a fair bet. In any case, the tubing seems definitely to be primed and I can't imagine why they might have gone to the bother of developing more than a single primer paint. Cheers and all, -- Bill Shatzer - bshatzer@orednet.org "All generalizations are dangerous, even this one." Alexandre Dumas ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Dec 1997 14:43:30 -0600 From: The Shannons To: wwi Subject: Re: New Member with a question Message-ID: <349444F2.7D12@ix.netcom.com> mbittner@juno.com wrote: > > On Sun, 14 Dec 1997 13:38:34 -0500 "CHARLES JOHNSON" > writes: > > > Just getting back into the hobby after many years of > > inactivity, have made made 2 glenco models just to hone my > > skills again. Iam building an Eduard 1/48 th Fokker D.VI and > > the lack of research material leaves me needing to know... was > > this a fabric covered fuselage or was it plywood???? What > > color was the cockpit interior???? I have finished the > > P.E.brass cockpit and painted it as per the directions.. The > > white metal rotary engine needs to be cleaned up some ,but my > > problem here is the P.E. brass piece that goes behind the > > engine, Im not sure how it is suppose to look, does it have to > > be bent in any certain way, it looks like it should be, but im > > not sure how it should look.Any help in these matters would be > > greatly appreciated. > > Welcome to the fold! This is a great list, one that will answer > most of your WW1 questions. > > >From what I remember, the Fokker D.VI was all fabric, and all > machines I have seen *seem* to have been 5-color lozenge covered. > > The cockpit interior I would guess to be reverse lozenge on the > sides, with German "gray-green" primer on the metal, tubular > structure. > > However, I'm sure there are others more familiar with this > machine than I am, so I turn to them for the definitive answer. > > Matt Bittner -- Matt is right on the fabric fuselage. The area in front of the cockpit is metal and plywood covered and painted in the ever popular "Fokker Green" (ca. 34087, 97, 86 etc.). The rest of the fuselage, the wings, and the tail surfaces are fabric covered in the four color lozenge. The inside cockpit sides would have a faint reverse pattern of the lozenge -- the fabric was printed at the weaver's (or wherever) before application, so the pattern was pressed into the fabric. One possibility is to use decals on the inside, then spray them lightly with a wash of a linen color to give the faintness -- others on the list will have their own suggestions. There is some controversy about the framing colors, with some thinking Fokker Green, some Japaned black fittings on natural metal, some thinking the gray or gray-green primer with Japaned Black fittings. Maybe some of the others have more thoroughly checked comments than I can make. I haven't started mine, so I'm not in a position to help you on the PE around the engine. -- This has been Mark and/or Mary Shannon at Shingend@ix.netcom.com History manages to get away with cliches no novelist could. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 10:11:49 +0900 From: Hirohisa Ozaki To: wwi Subject: Re: Brandenburg D.I Message-ID: <199712150113.KAA00984@zoo.miln.mei.co.jp> >1/48th >Eduard - injection Sierra Scale models - vac + injection parts (exhaust pipe, wheels,etc., discontinue) Hiro. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 11:26:15 +0000 From: B-A-L To: wwi Subject: Re: Off topic -- copper hull plating Message-ID: <349513D7.3B06@eis.net.au> Andrew and Rebecca Hall wrote: > > > I'm going to be building an inexpensive plastic model of an early 19th > century sailing vessel (Lindberg's No. 711, War of Independence Schooner) I'd like to show the copper sheathing Any ideas how to simulate this (1) inexpensively, > (2) quickly and (3) sturdily? Precise accuracy is a secondary concern > Any other tips from those of you who've built models for hands-on classroom > use would be greatly appreciated. > > ----------> Andy Hall ANDY IF YOU WISH TO CONTACT ME OFF-LIST I'D BE HAPPY TO HELP - BRIEFLY YOU CAN SIMULATE THE SHEATHING BY CUTTING STRIPS - EMBOSS THEM AND THEN GLUE THEM TO THE HULL - THE FUN STARTS WHEN YOU GET TO LAY THE OVERLAPPING SECTIONS AT THE BOWS AND THROUGH TO THE STERN REGARDS DAVID ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 12:28:54 +1100 (EST) From: Mick Fauchon To: wwi Cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Eduard Albatros DV brass Message-ID: James, > Thank you very much, however is this also where the shoulder belts attach? > The NASM Albatros drawings of this item (inside the back cover) the shoulder > belts do not look long enough to reach the seat rails. The shoulder-belts hook into an attachment behind the seat, located underneath the longeron [below the cockpit-coaming] where this goes through the bulkhead, and uses the same kind of attachment hook as the lap-belt. And, no, they wouldn't be long enough to reach the seat-rails. Hope this helps, Mick. -- -- Mick Fauchon | Internet: ulmjf@dewey.newcastle.edu.au Reference Section, Auchmuty Library | Ph (intl+61+49) 215861 University of Newcastle, AUSTRALIA | Fax (intl+61+49) 215833 MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM M M M Tasmanian Devil: "#@%!&^*%%...!#@!&**%^@@#$#-+*+*&##@...!!" M M M M Yosemite Sam : "Cut out that Army talk!..Yer in the Navy now!" M M M MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Dec 1997 20:23:06 -0500 From: John & Allison Cyganowski To: wwi Subject: Re: Max Muller Albatros Questions Message-ID: <3494867A.6689@worldnet.att.net> I have that Superscale Albatros sheet 48-151. None of those ships have a "comet like insignia. Which Jasta was he from and can you give a better description of his markings? John ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Dec 1997 20:44:24 -0500 From: "Gerald P. McOsker" To: wwi Subject: Re: Brandenburg D.I Message-ID: Dr. Bittner inquireth aboutthe HB D! models- I show the following : Formaplane C27 Hansa-Brandenburg D1 1:72 Pyrangelo Hansa-Brandenburg D1 1:72 metal Wieder- Gerry ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 13:00:47 +1100 (EST) From: Mick Fauchon To: wwi Subject: Belated reply; was:Re: Belated catch up Message-ID: Bill, > Can I help you on MvR. What do you need. No, I think it's OK, mate. I don't know that there's a lot I need at the moment. But I'll keep you in mind if the need arises. Thanks. Cheers, Mick. -- -- Mick Fauchon | Internet: ulmjf@dewey.newcastle.edu.au Reference Section, Auchmuty Library | Ph (intl+61+49) 215861 University of Newcastle, AUSTRALIA | Fax (intl+61+49) 215833 MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM M M M Tasmanian Devil: "#@%!&^*%%...!#@!&**%^@@#$#-+*+*&##@...!!" M M M M Yosemite Sam : "Cut out that Army talk!..Yer in the Navy now!" M M M MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Dec 1997 22:12:58 -0500 (EST) From: smodels@ne.infi.net Subject: Re: Off topic -- copper hull plating Message-ID: <199712150312.WAA17184@fh101.infi.net> Any ideas how to simulate this (1) inexpensively, >> (2) quickly and (3) sturdily? Precise accuracy is a secondary concer Vinyl bumper stickers. Bob Sierra ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Dec 1997 23:08:25 -0500 From: "Patrick Gilmore" To: Subject: Re: Max Muller Albatros Questions Message-ID: <199712150412.XAA24795@sulaco.novagate.net> > I have that Superscale Albatros sheet 48-151. None of those ships have a "comet like > insignia. Which Jasta was he from and can you give a better description of his markings? > > John Max Muller started as a non-com pilot and was eventually promoted to Leutnant after achieving 26 victories with Jasta 2 and 28. He eventually reached 36 kills before being shot down in flames on Jan. 9 1918 by an RE8 observer. The aircraft of his that I am interested in modelling is the Albatros DV he flew in Jasta 28. From photos in the book Aviation Awards of Imperial Germany (O'Conner) and in a single photo from the Windsock Special on the Albatros these markings were as follows (near as I can tell): Red nose Clear varnished fuselage Typical green/mauve camo on wings Black comet? with white border on fuselage sides yellow horizontal tail surfaces with a black chordwise stripe on each side of vertical fin (per Windsock) At some point there was a large letter "M" under the wings in black (per Windsock) At the Over the Front website there is a color profile of this plane as I described above, plus another of the same craft with an all red fuselage that seems unlikely but I suppose is possible. The link to that site is: http://www.overthefront.com/SiteMill.html/07Albat.html As far as the model goes the comet marking is the only real difficult part of the scheme to reproduce. I will probably try to draw this out on paper, photocopy it onto white decal paper and then trim around the black area to get the required white border. It sure would be nice if there were a ready made decal though..... Patrick Gilmore ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 00:31:07 EST From: KarrArt To: wwi Subject: wood grain decals Message-ID: In a message dated 97-12-14 08:32:27 EST, you write: << IMHO, the "wood" sheets are worthless, but more power to those who manage to use them. >> I agree- it's more work than painting the wood grain- which is really not that difficult a job- a little practice is all that's needed and YOU have more control over the final result! Robert ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 00:31:06 EST From: KarrArt To: wwi Subject: Re: New Member with a question Message-ID: <703d07a6.3494c09e@aol.com> In a message dated 97-12-14 23:44:56 EST, you write: << Now just what was that famous mixture again ?? Green-Gray or Gray- Green.... That oughta be good for two weeks discussion :-) Running away ..................... >> The professional formula is what ever 2 bottles ( in the general dull green and light gray range)are closest to hand, some cruddy thinner, a brush to rudely scoop wads of paint, and a palette on which to swirl the mess around.Paint a few parts with this and by then the color on the palette will be dry and unuseable.Mix another small batch, paint a few more parts.This way, one's model has some tonal variation- mos' likely as the real thing had.The model will now be totally too mutli-tonal.Get mad, throw a hissy fit, and mix an entire bottle of one color that looks to be gray-green, repaint all previous work Running away also.......... Robert ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 00:31:10 EST From: KarrArt To: wwi Subject: Re: Junkers Night Message-ID: In a message dated 97-12-13 22:25:47 EST, you write: << Don Zelle (not on the list) brought in a kit bashed/scratchbuilt 1/72 D.I he made from a 1/72 Junker Ju52 20+ years ago, beautiful job as well, with airbrushed crosses ("would get the wing decals to settle..."). >> I tried that in my early teen years- I thought it looked good, but if I could see it now......... Robert ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Dec 1997 23:00:59 -0700 From: Charles Hart To: wwi Subject: Atkins WW I kits Message-ID: Greetings All, Following my earlier post I would like to amend the list of WW I kits. These included: 1/72, all kits are cast white metal Hansa-Brandenburg D-I A very nice kit I might add, in spite of its unusual media. Roland D-VIb Pfalz Dr-I (features a very nicely cast cowling with the front grille, sadly, its just a little thick in 1/72) Aviatik Berg D-I (includes alternative nose panels) (basis for Aeroclub injection kit) Halberstadt D-III Phoenix D-II Fokker D-VIII 1/48 mixed media kits (vac, cast metal, PE) Fokker Dr-I, Sopwith Camel night fighter These kits were produced between about 1984 and 1989 and are OUT OF PRODUCTION. If you are interested in one, start looking at hobby swap meets, you never know what will turn up. Charles hartc@spot.colorado.edu ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 04:00:10 EST From: Suvoroff To: wwi Subject: Re: Eduard Albatros DV brass Message-ID: <5e2e1348.3494f19c@aol.com> "The shoulder-belts hook into an attachment behind the seat, located underneath the longeron [below the cockpit-coaming] where this goes through the bulkhead, and uses the same kind of attachment hook as the lap-belt. And, no, they wouldn't be long enough to reach the seat-rails. Hope this helps, Mick." Thanks, heaps. I appreciate your help. Yours, James D. Gray ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 10:45:06 -0000 From: "Sandy Adam" To: Subject: Re: FMP- Berg D-1 Book Message-ID: <199712151015.KAA23253@beryl.sol.co.uk> > BTW, this is a beautiful book. There are *30* machines represented as > color plates. Anyone interested in this machine *must* have this book. Matt - when I heard these titles announced, my immediate thought was that FMP were going to maximise their marketing by issuing material from the Austrian and Russian tomes as type-by-type booklets with perhaps some additional material. >From what you write it sounds like a completely new book though. Do you have the 2 big Austrian volumes for comparison, and if so is there a lot, a little, any or no, duplication of what's in there? IE if you have all the big FMP books, will you get anything new from this one? TIA Sandy ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 807 *********************