WWI Digest 805

Topics covered in this issue include:

  1) Re: WW1 Photo interpretation
	by KarrArt <KarrArt@aol.com>
  2) Last one gone
	by Bob Pearson <bpearson@kaien.com>
  3) Re: Lurking Mode On
	by Patrick Padovan <ppadovan@timberland.lib.wa.us>
  4) RE: Photo interpretation/Turk.BuffsOnly
	by Matthew Zivich <mzivich@tardis.svsu.edu>
  5) RE: Last one gone
	by Shane Weier <SDW@qld.mim.com.au>
  6) Re: Lurking Mode On
	by T HENRYS <THENRYS@aol.com>
  7) charge of unwanted trivia denied
	by KarrArt <KarrArt@aol.com>
  8) Re: Over the Front
	by KarrArt <KarrArt@aol.com>
  9) Re: Over the Front
	by "Sandy Adam" <cbbs@almac.co.uk>
 10) Fw: TAMIYA Spads+Skyray
	by "John Glaser" <JohnGlaser@worldnet.att.net>
 11) Re: Fw: TAMIYA Spads+Skyray
	by Bill Bacon <wbacon@netjava.net>
 12) Re: Fw: TAMIYA Spads+Skyray
	by "Jim Lyzun" <aero@baynet.net>
 13) Re: Lurking Mode On
	by Bill Bacon <wbacon@netjava.net>

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Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 12:24:01 EST
From: KarrArt <KarrArt@aol.com>
To: wwi
Subject: Re: WW1 Photo interpretation
Message-ID: <27d1bf4e.34917334@aol.com>

In a message dated 97-12-12 04:42:41 EST, cbbs@almac.co.uk writes:

<< Nothing we do is going to add any information to the 
 > photograph, .................... >>
For the average guy trying to peer deep into some photo in a magazine or book,
the problem gets down to printing limitations- no matter well printed, one
bumps into just the little ink dots.With even relatively basic home computer
equipment one can scan and fiddle with original photos and emphasize certain
areas.Nothing that's not in the picture to begin with is going to show up, but
our eyes do miss things and this is where computers are good.They take what's
already there but hidden and make it pop out.An example of old technology
doing the same thing- years ago I had an opportunity to sit in the cockpit of
an F6F Hellcat.I shot several slides but they appeared black to the eye.I was
pissed. I thought I'd blown my great chance.Projecting them at 10 feet from
the screen showed very little- projecting them at 3 feet concentrated the
light and Pow! There was a fully detailed Hellcat cockpit. Most of us WW I
fanatics have seen the same old photos time after time, but with modern
equipment, I'll bet that even us jaded ol' coots might be able to extract
hitherto unseen details that were there all along. The problem would be
getting our sweaty little hands on the originals(or fewer  generations from
the original.)
Robert

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Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 10:46:59 -0800
From: Bob Pearson <bpearson@kaien.com>
To: WW1 Mailing list <wwi>
Subject: Last one gone
Message-ID: <18465941573785@KAIEN.COM>


Greetings all,

The CBC radio just mentioned that the final Anzac survivor of the original
Gallipoli landings died last week. I missed his first name, but his surname
was Matthews and he was 101. During his time at Gallipoli he served as a
signaler and fired just once at the Turks and "hoped he missed".

Regards,
        Bob Pearson

nl: CBC radio: And the Band played Waltzing Matilda (on *This Morning*)

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Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 12:08:33 -0800 (PST)
From: Patrick Padovan <ppadovan@timberland.lib.wa.us>
To: Multiple recipients of list <wwi>
Subject: Re: Lurking Mode On
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.93.971212120642.20594B-100000@timber20.timberland.lib.wa.us>

Re Albatros W.4 from Pegasus: Hey, I got mine weeks ago, here in the
States, as I posted to the list at the time! (Neener neener neener!)
                                       Okay, gloat-mode disengaged!
                                                Patrick
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Patrick Padovan
Interlibrary Loan Associate    
             
Timberland Regional Library     Voice:   360-943-5001   
415 Airdustrial Way SW            FAX:   360-586-6838
Olympia, WA  98501-5799        e-mail:   ppadovan@timberland.lib.wa.us
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On Fri, 12 Dec 1997, John Huggins wrote:

> 
> >Well, the Pegasus W.4 is out, just hasn't made it to the states,
> >yet.
> >
> It has made it to the States.  Squadron has them in stock.  Kit #2017.  It
> looks to be a bit better than the W-29 as far as the fuselage goes(not as
> rough and fit looks better)  The winga and floats are nicely done.  All
> float and main wing struts are to be mad from stock provided.  The cabine
> struts, engine, exhaust, seat, gun pack & stick are white metal.  The
> decals have Maltese crosses on white backgrounds and the serial/aircraft
> number of 786.
> 
>   The kit looks pretty nice.  More when I start it.
> John
> 
> 
> Disclaimer:  Any errors in spelling, tact, or fact are transmission errors.
> 
> 
> 


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Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 15:10:35 -0500 (EST)
From: Matthew Zivich <mzivich@tardis.svsu.edu>
To: wwi
Cc: Multiple recipients of list <wwi>
Subject: RE: Photo interpretation/Turk.BuffsOnly
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.91.971212144439.8366A-100000@tardis.svsu.edu>

Shane,

	It's an interesting subject to study, since, for some of us at 
least, it is an area where there is not too much information available.  
And it raises interesting questions for the modeler who wishes to 
explore other aspects of the air war, 1914-18.  I'd like to know more 
about Japanese aircraft and markings used in China during the War as well 
as Chinese 'craft with Chinese markings (multi-colored star).  I think 
these examples are valid in extending the full range of WW I interests.  
Eventually Eduard  may even produce a kit of a  plane with Portuguese markings!

On Thu, 11 Dec 1997, Shane Weier wrote:

> Matt,
> 
> >I've seen a few Alb.DV series with a consistent wing and canvas 
> >tail covering being the same.  If this craft's wings were lozenze
> covered 
> >I would expect the tail to be also.   Therefore I feel the 
> >rudder at least in this photo is not lozenge covered or it is painted.
> 
> >Patterns, etc. fade relatively.  In the same photo if one fades or
> distorts 
> >with time, why not the other?
> 
> Could it be white? If so it wouldn't necessarily appear bright white,
> since the paint may be discoloured, translucent etc. 
> 	The rudder appears much too dark to be white.  For reasons stated 
previously, it appears painted to me.  But what color is anybody's guess.
> i won't comment on whether it might be loz, but on a photo degraded by
> repetetive copying, since I am not expert in interpretation - and
> haven't seen the photo !!   Just wanted to pass another possible
> interpretation for thought
> 	Yes, I probably would go along with lozenge wings too.  Since the 
plane looks like a hand-me-down from the Western Front, it's probably a 5 
color pattern.  But, again, it's interesting to speculate some more.  If 
the standard 4-5 color lozenge was made for the Western Front, could the 
Germans have made a different color selection for a 4 or 5 color lozenge 
for the Palastine area of combat, because of the difference in background 
coloration?> I guess one of the reasons it's so hard for me to accept the 
brightly colored lozenge camouflage for the Palastine front is because it 
would have more of a tendency to stand out against the subdued earth 
tones of North Africa thereby compromizing its effectiveness. 

Matt Z


Shane > > > > 

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Date: Sat, 13 Dec 1997 05:28:35 +1000
From: Shane Weier <SDW@qld.mim.com.au>
To: wwi
Subject: RE: Last one gone
Message-ID: <199712122038.GAA17875@mimmon.mim.com.au>

	Bob,


	>The CBC radio just mentioned that the final Anzac survivor of
the original
	>Gallipoli landings died last week. I missed his first name, but
his 
	>surname
	>was Matthews and he was 101. During his time at Gallipoli he
served as >a signaler and fired just once at the Turks and "hoped he
missed".

This was front page news here in Australia a few days back. I can add
that his death reduces the number of surviving ANZACS to 8 (but the
other never landed on 25 APR 15 as Ted Mathews did). Mathews was
slightly wounded by shrapnel at the landing, saved by a pocketbook from
greater injury. He was later wounded several times in the course of his
service in Turkey and on the Western Front.

He asked the author of a recent book on the 10 (at the time) surviving
ANZACS  to quote him as wanting his last words to be (approximately)
"don't glorify Gallipoli. It wasn't glorious. And never, ever let
Australians serve under English command again"

Mathews had two daughters. Both married GI's during WW2 and moved to the
USA to live. One of them survives. Good genes

Regards

Shane

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Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 19:15:02 EST
From: T HENRYS <THENRYS@aol.com>
To: wwi
Subject: Re: Lurking Mode On
Message-ID: <48868e04.3491d388@aol.com>

In a message dated 97-12-11 07:58:20 EST, you write:

<< I'll be lurking for awhile. Have to go in for minor surbery today(damned
 tennis elbow...at least it's not modeler's elbow!) and probably won't be
 able to type for awhile. So, while I will be reading all the posts, I won't
 be able to respond quickly. Fear not, I still make my wise-ass comments, but
 only to myself for awhile! Anyway, I go into lurking mode with this
 question: Why no new injected WWI stuff for so long? No Eduard(flood?), No
 Glencoe DH4, I don't even think much in teeny scale.
 Later
 Mike Muth
 Lurk mode on
  >>

Good Luck, Mike.  I've got bone chips and a spur in mine, so I've got to do
the same pretty soon.

Todd Henry

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Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 20:24:04 EST
From: KarrArt <KarrArt@aol.com>
To: wwi
Subject: charge of unwanted trivia denied
Message-ID: <73b487f5.3491e3bc@aol.com>

In a message dated 97-12-12 12:26:42 EST, SDW@qld.mim.com.au writes:

<< The drawings in the NASM Albatros book are actually of the Canberra
 Albatros. They were produced during the 1967/8 restoration of the
 aircraft at the Camden Aviation Museum, and later used by NASM in the
 restoration of their much less complete wreck into Stropp, as it appears
 today. The drawings were later published in Robert Mikeshs'  book.
 
 Now *there's* some trivia no-one else wanted to know about ;-)
 
 Shane
  >>
I disagree- I want to know these things! I want to know what's what about
what's left!
Robert

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Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 20:37:53 EST
From: KarrArt <KarrArt@aol.com>
To: wwi
Subject: Re: Over the Front
Message-ID: <8e5031fb.3491e773@aol.com>

In a message dated 97-12-11 06:03:49 EST, mbittner@juno.com writes:

<< Yes, there are other organizations dealing with WW1 aviation, the
 group that publishes Cross & Cockade International, and WW1 Aero.
 I consider OtF in a different league than those two because of
 the content, and the paper quality of the magazine. >>

Joining OtF is on my agenda for the new year.I've got several back issues of
the journal. OtF and WW I Aero make a nice pair.OtF covers more of the people
and the activities of WW I aviation and WW I Aero does more hardcore hardware
stuff (want 3 pages of tech info on tire valves?)OtF has the  best photo
reproduction, paper and writing.WW I Aero loses in the writing category
because of the occasional high school level philosophizing.
What a wonderful world it would be if I had all the back issues of C&C
U.S.A.,C&C GB,Windsock,WW I Aero and OtF Journal.
Robert

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Date: Sat, 13 Dec 1997 11:13:03 -0000
From: "Sandy Adam" <cbbs@almac.co.uk>
To: <wwi>
Subject: Re: Over the Front
Message-ID: <199712131015.KAA18054@beryl.sol.co.uk>

Whip on over to the C&C International web page where they have vols 10-16
on offer just now at 8.50GBP each incl UK postage.
You can fill quite a few spaces on the shelf this way!
Sandy
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> From: KarrArt <KarrArt@aol.com>
> To: Multiple recipients of list <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
> Subject: Re: Over the Front
> Date: 13 December 1997 01:56
> 
> In a message dated 97-12-11 06:03:49 EST, mbittner@juno.com writes:
> 
> << Yes, there are other organizations dealing with WW1 aviation, the
>  group that publishes Cross & Cockade International, and WW1 Aero.
>  I consider OtF in a different league than those two because of
>  the content, and the paper quality of the magazine. >>
> 
> Joining OtF is on my agenda for the new year.I've got several back issues
of
> the journal. OtF and WW I Aero make a nice pair.OtF covers more of the
people
> and the activities of WW I aviation and WW I Aero does more hardcore
hardware
> stuff (want 3 pages of tech info on tire valves?)OtF has the  best photo
> reproduction, paper and writing.WW I Aero loses in the writing category
> because of the occasional high school level philosophizing.
> What a wonderful world it would be if I had all the back issues of C&C
> U.S.A.,C&C GB,Windsock,WW I Aero and OtF Journal.
> Robert

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Date: Sat, 13 Dec 1997 09:07:08 -0600
From: "John Glaser" <JohnGlaser@worldnet.att.net>
To: "World War 1 Mail List" <wwi>
Subject: Fw: TAMIYA Spads+Skyray
Message-ID: <19971213151027.AAA12580@johng>

I picked this up on rec.models.scale today.  Tamiya SPAD?  Anybody hear
anything about this?

			- John

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> From: Dan Salamone <dano@izzy.net>
> Newsgroups: rec.models.scale
> Subject: AIR: TAMIYA Spads+Skyray
> Date: Friday, December 12, 1997 10:04 PM
> 
> I saw the pics of the above kits on Hobby Link Japan tonight, they both
> look GREAT! They were pics from the Tokyo Hobby Show...
>    BTW, I finally got the Uhu kit today, what a great looking kit in the
> box. Too bad I have so many projects going now!
>                                                       Dano
> 

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Date: Sat, 13 Dec 1997 09:52:09 -0600
From: Bill Bacon <wbacon@netjava.net>
To: wwi
Subject: Re: Fw: TAMIYA Spads+Skyray
Message-ID: <3492AF28.127AF780@netjava.net>

Just checked and, as I suspected, it is the Douglas A-1 Skyraider.  'Tis a
beautiful dream.

Cheers,

Bill B.

John Glaser wrote:

> I picked this up on rec.models.scale today.  Tamiya SPAD?  Anybody hear
> anything about this?
>
>                         - John
>
> ----------
> > From: Dan Salamone <dano@izzy.net>
> > Newsgroups: rec.models.scale
> > Subject: AIR: TAMIYA Spads+Skyray
> > Date: Friday, December 12, 1997 10:04 PM
> >
> > I saw the pics of the above kits on Hobby Link Japan tonight, they both
> > look GREAT! They were pics from the Tokyo Hobby Show...
> >    BTW, I finally got the Uhu kit today, what a great looking kit in the
> > box. Too bad I have so many projects going now!
> >                                                       Dano
> >




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Date: Sat, 13 Dec 1997 10:54:41 -0500
From: "Jim Lyzun" <aero@baynet.net>
To: wwi
Subject: Re: Fw: TAMIYA Spads+Skyray
Message-ID: <3492AFC1.7C8D@baynet.net>

John Glaser wrote:
> 
> I picked this up on rec.models.scale today.  Tamiya SPAD?  Anybody hear
> anything about this?
> 
>                         - John
I think the "SPAD" they are referring to is the A-1 Skyraider.

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Date: Sat, 13 Dec 1997 10:03:16 -0600
From: Bill Bacon <wbacon@netjava.net>
To: wwi
Subject: Re: Lurking Mode On
Message-ID: <3492B1C4.7E69A184@netjava.net>

Mike,

Best wishes for your speedy recovery.  We wwill all be thinking of you and wish
you the happiest of holidays and prosperous and successful New Year.

The tape sounds great.

Will send info after Christmas.

Cheers,

Bill

Mary-Ann/Michael wrote:

> I'll be lurking for awhile. Have to go in for minor surbery today(damned
> tennis elbow...at least it's not modeler's elbow!) and probably won't be
> able to type for awhile. So, while I will be reading all the posts, I won't
> be able to respond quickly. Fear not, I still make my wise-ass comments, but
> only to myself for awhile! Anyway, I go into lurking mode with this
> question: Why no new injected WWI stuff for so long? No Eduard(flood?), No
> Glencoe DH4, I don't even think much in teeny scale.
> Later
> Mike Muth
> Lurk mode on




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