WWI Digest 800 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Another rare book found by Graham Nash 2) Off-topic British request by mbittner@juno.com 3) Re: Chat Room by mbittner@juno.com 4) Rare book found (2) by Graham Nash 5) FW: WWI Music For Modelers by James Gibbons 6) RE: New site found by "Denest, Michael J" 7) Re: Chat Room considerations and questions by "Alexandre " 8) Re: Off-topic British request by "Paul Schwartzkopf" 9) Re: WWI Music For Modelers by "Sandy Adam" 10) On Line (Again) by "Paul Schwartzkopf" 11) Re: On Line (Again) by Charles Hart 12) Re: Chat Room by Charles Hart 13) Re: On Line (Again) by "Paul Schwartzkopf" 14) Re: (fwd) WW I Turkish Aircraft by Matthew Zivich 15) Re: British Decals by "Paul Schwartzkopf" 16) Re: (fwd) WW I Turkish Aircraft by Matthew Zivich 17) Re: (fwd) WW I Turkish Aircraft by Matthew Zivich 18) Re: Swedish Sk2 by smodels@ne.infi.net 19) Re: Swedish Sk2 by Charles Hart 20) Re: On Line (Again) by Patrick Padovan 21) Re: Eduard Hannover by Kr0i2 22) W.29 thought by "Bittner, Matthew (KTR) ~U" 23) RE: (fwd) WW I Turkish Aircraft by Shane Weier 24) Re: Eduard Hannover by Redwilde@bdsbbs.com (Redwilde) 25) Re: Salmsons by Riordan and Michelle Goodwin 26) RE: W.29 thought by Shane Weier ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 09 Dec 1997 12:46:43 -0800 From: Graham Nash To: wwi Subject: Another rare book found Message-ID: <199712091238.AA08496@egate2.citicorp.com> Found at http://www.sonic.net/~books/air.html Thetford, O.G. AIRCRAFT OF THE 1914-1918 WAR Harleyford 1954 Profiles of the British, German, French, Italian and American aircraft participating in World War I. Comprehensive. Large 4to-pictorial format, 234 photos, drawings, 80 full-page size 1/72nd scale 3-view plans, technical diagrams, charts, 234 pages. Scarce 1st VG/G $75 I have no connection or experience of using this firm. The book is not a prime reference IMHO, but is 'fun' I will send to a few further details of its content on my next posting. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Dec 1997 06:42:31 -0600 From: mbittner@juno.com To: wwi Subject: Off-topic British request Message-ID: <19971209.064232.13358.2.mbittner@juno.com> I'm looking for an extra set of roundels that come on Superscale sheet #72-7, British WW1 roundels etc. If anyone has an extra sheet laying around, could you email me off list so we can barter for the two I need? TIA! Matt Bittner mbittner@juno.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Dec 1997 06:32:50 -0600 From: mbittner@juno.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Chat Room Message-ID: <19971209.064232.13358.0.mbittner@juno.com> On Mon, 8 Dec 1997 16:13:40 -0500 aew@pease1.sr.unh.edu (Allan Wright) writes: > Any interest in a WWI based chat room? I jsut figured out how to >set them up. I could make one for the WWI page if there is enough >interest. I agree with the negative. Since I don't have web access at home - and not the time at work ;-) - I would think it might detract from the list. As was already stated, it could also start threads that the rest of the list wouldn't see - and could benefit from. Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Dec 1997 13:11:07 -0800 From: Graham Nash To: wwi Subject: Rare book found (2) Message-ID: <199712091302.AA09004@egate2.citicorp.com> Contents of Aircraft of the 1914-1918 War by O. Thetford=20 AircraftManufacturer AircraftType 72nd Plan A.E.G. C.IV Yes Yes A.E.G. G.IV Yes Yes Ago C.II No No Ago C.IV No No Airco D.H.1/1a Yes Yes Airco D.H.10 Amiens Yes Yes Airco D.H.2 Yes Yes Airco D.H.3 No No Airco D.H.4 Yes Yes Airco D.H.5 Yes Yes Airco D.H.6 Yes Yes Airco D.H.9 Yes Yes Airco D.H.9A Yes Yes Albatros C.III Yes Yes Albatros C.V No No Albatros C.VI No No Albatros C.VII No No Albatros C.X No No Albatros D.I Yes Yes Albatros D.III Yes Yes Albatros D.IX No No Albatros D.V No No Albatros D.XI No No Albatros Dr.I No No Ansaldo A.1 No No Ansaldo SVA 3/4/5 Yes Yes AR 1/2 No No Armstrong Whitworth F.K.10 No No Armstrong Whitworth F.K.3 No No Armstrong Whitworth F.K.8 Yes Yes Austin Greyhound No No Austin A.F.T.3 Osprey No No Aviatik C.II Yes Yes Avro 504K Yes Yes Avro 529 No No Avro 533 Manchester No No B.A.T. F.K.23 Bantam No No B.A.T. F.K.25 Basilisk No No Beardmore W.B.V No No Blackburn Kangaroo Yes Yes Bl=E9riot XI Variants Yes Yes Boulton & Paul P.3 Bobolink No No Boulton & Paul P.7 Bourges No No Breguet 14 Yes Yes Bristol Braemar No No Bristol Scout Yes Yes Bristol Scout F No No Bristol F.2B Yes Yes Bristol M.1 Yes Yes Caproni Ca.33-36 (Ca.3) No No Caudron G.3 Yes Yes Caudron G.4 Yes Yes Curtiss JN Series Yes Yes Curtiss H-12 Large America No No Curtiss H-16 Large America No No D.F.W. C.V No No Dornier D.I No No Fairey Campania No No Fairey IIIA-IIIC No No Fairey F.2 No No Fairey N.9 No No Felixstowe Fury No No Felixstowe F.2A Yes Yes Felixstowe F.5 No No Fokker A.I Yes Yes (This is listed as a Fokker 'E' something or other, but it is not) Fokker C.I No No Fokker D.III Yes Yes Fokker D.VI Yes Yes Fokker D.VII Yes Yes Fokker D.VIII Yes Yes Fokker Dr.I Yes Yes Friedrichshafen G.III Yes Yes Gotha G.V Yes Yes Halberstadt CL.IIa Yes Yes Halberstadt D.II Yes Yes Handley Page 0/400 Yes Yes Handley Page V/1500 Yes Yes Hannover CL.III Yes Yes Hanriot HD.1 No No Hansa-Brandenburg D.I No No Hansa-Brandenburg W.33 Yes Yes Henri Farman H.F.20 No No Junkers CL.I No No Junkers D.I No No Junkers E.I No No Junkers J.I Yes Yes Kennedy Giant No No L.F.G.(Roland) C.II No No L.F.G.(Roland) D.II Yes Yes L.F.G.(Roland) D.VI No No L.V.G. C.II Yes Yes L.V.G. C.V Yes Yes Letord Let.7BN.3 No No Martinsyde F.3 & F.4 Buzzard Yes Yes Martinsyde G.100/G.102 Elephant Yes Yes Maurice Farman M.F.11 Yes Yes Maurice Farman M.F.7 Yes Yes Morane-Saulnier BB & BH No No Morane-Saulnier I Yes Yes Morane-Saulnier L & LA Parasol Yes Yes Morane-Saulnier N Yes Yes Morane-Saulnier V Yes Yes Nieuport 12 Yes Yes Nieuport 15 No No Nieuport 17 Yes Yes Nieuport 18 No No Nieuport 20 No No Nieuport 21,23 No No Nieuport 24 No No Nieuport 27 No No Nieuport 28 Yes Yes Nieuport 29 No No Nieuport Nighthawk No No Nieuport Triplanes No No Pfalz D.III Yes Yes Pfalz D.VIII No No Pfalz D.XII Yes Yes Pfalz Dr.I No No Pfalz E.I No No Pomilio Gamma Scout No No Port Victoria P.V.8 No No R.A.F. B.E.12 Yes Yes R.A.F. B.E.2,2a & 2b Yes Yes R.A.F. B.E.2c & 2d Yes Yes R.A.F. B.E.2e,2f & 2g Yes Yes R.A.F. B.E.3 No No R.A.F. B.E.8 No No R.A.F. B.E.9 No No R.A.F. F.E.2b Yes Yes R.A.F. F.E.3 No No R.A.F. F.E.8 Yes Yes R.A.F. F.E.9 No No R.A.F. R.E.5 No No R.A.F. R.E.8 Yes Yes R.A.F. S.E.4 No No R.A.F. S.E.4a No No R.A.F. S.E.5 No No R.A.F. S.E.5a Yes Yes Rumpler Tauben Yes Yes Rumpler C.V Yes Yes Sablatnig SF 1 No No Salmson 2 A2 Yes Yes Short Admiralty Type 184 Yes Yes Short Admiralty Types 310/320 No No Short Bomber No No Short N.1B Shirl No No Short N.2B No No Siemens-Schuckert D.I No No Siemens-Schuckert D.III No No Siemens-Schuckert D.IV No No Siemens-Schuckert D.VI No No Sopwith 1 =BD Strutter Yes Yes Sopwith Baby Yes Yes Sopwith Bee No No Sopwith Bulldog No No Sopwith Camel Yes Yes Sopwith Cobham No No Sopwith Cuckoo Yes Yes Sopwith Dolphin Yes Yes Sopwith Dragon No No Sopwith Hippo No No Sopwith Pup Yes Yes Sopwith Rhino No No Sopwith Salamander Yes Yes Sopwith Snail No No Sopwith Snapper No No Sopwith Snark No No Sopwith Snipe Yes Yes Sopwith Swallow No No Sopwith Tabloid Yes Yes Sopwith Triplane Yes Yes SPAD 11/16 Yes Yes SPAD 13 No No SPAD 7 Yes Yes Supermarine Baby No No Vickers E.S.1 Bullet No No Vickers F.B.12 No No Vickers F.B.14 No No Vickers F.B.19 Bullet No No Vickers F.B.27 Vimy No No Vickers F.B.4/5/6 Gunbus Yes Yes Vickers F.B.9 Yes Yes Voisin 3 Yes Yes Voisin 4 Yes Yes Voisin 5 Yes Yes Westland Wagtail No No Westland Weasel No No Westland N.1 No No Wight Admiralty Type 840 Seaplane No No Zeppelin-Staaken R.III No No ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Dec 1997 20:01:07 -0500 From: James Gibbons To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: FW: WWI Music For Modelers Message-ID: <01BD04DD.31F58760.jgibbons@vppsa.com> Hello All, I was wondering if anyone has a good source for WWI songs/music that would be fun to listen to while modeling. I would particularly like to get a copy of the song that was played during the closing credits to Four Years of Thunder (take the cylinders out of my kidneys - the connecting rod out of my brain etc.). I would consider taping it off the video but my copy was made off the air and the music is overscored by an ad for A&E videos. Any help anyone can give will be appreciated. James Gibbons ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Dec 1997 08:30:37 -0500 From: "Denest, Michael J" To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: New site found Message-ID: <21A9C368581DD011986600805FEABAD4014A3C8E@xch-phl-01.he.boeing.com> Good photo site. I was surprised to see those famous "staged" dogfight photos. Mike How can you be in two places at once when you're not anywhere at all? Firesign Theater > ---------- > From: Graham Nash[SMTP:graham.nash@citicorp.com] > Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 1997 5:04 AM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: New site found > > Another site I've found. Looks like Finish to me. > > http://www.hiiumaa.ee/~arvo/aero/index.html > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Dec 1997 13:02:06 -0200 From: "Alexandre " To: Subject: Re: Chat Room considerations and questions Message-ID: <199712091530.PAA02105@srv1-cas.cas.nutecnet.com.br> Hi Charles ! Indeed !!! I think that the list itself is a good source of information. Besides, there is the ICQ that we could install and change information in real time. Or the chat could be a second option... Just my US$ 0.02 worth opinion... Best regards, Alexandre - atcampos@nutecnet.com.br - Brazil ---------- > I had read a few positive statement regarding the establishment of a 'chat > room' and can see > a few problems with the concept: > > - the WWI group appears to stretch from North American, Japan, Europe and > 'down-under'. How > can the group interact effectively given the broad range of hours. One > nice feature of the FAQ > is one can read/answer mail at ones leisure a chat room would not allow > for this flexibility - right? > > - The list is a wonderful resource for questions about models, techniques, > decals/paint used, opinions > on books etc., I can see a danger to these discussions migrating to a > chat room and the rest of the > group missing out on this information entirely. > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Dec 1997 10:37:12 +0000 From: "Paul Schwartzkopf" To: wwi Subject: Re: Off-topic British request Message-ID: <199712090705.BAA23292@tscrypt1.transcrypt.com> Matt, I beleive I may have a partial sheet laying around somewhere. I decided to make the meeting tomorrow night (barring snow / ice), so If I find it, I will bring it along. Maybe the ones you need are still on it. Paul > I'm looking for an extra set of roundels that come on Superscale sheet > #72-7, British WW1 roundels etc. If anyone has an extra sheet laying > around, could you email me off list so we can barter for the two I > need? TIA! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Dec 1997 16:26:37 -0000 From: "Sandy Adam" To: Subject: Re: WWI Music For Modelers Message-ID: <199712091628.QAA12767@beryl.sol.co.uk> > > I was wondering if anyone has a good source for WWI songs/music that would > be fun to listen to while modeling. Hi James, don't know where you'd get the song you mention, but you might like the soundrack from "Oh, what a lovely war!". I don't have this but have the piano score which contains all the favourites, including the intros you never hear to songs like "Goodbye-ee". Sandy ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Dec 1997 10:48:01 +0000 From: "Paul Schwartzkopf" To: wwi Subject: On Line (Again) Message-ID: <199712090716.BAA23526@tscrypt1.transcrypt.com> Well, after losing my TCP/IP stuff last Friday, I finally have my PC restored and can talk again! Boy, do I hate Bill Gates! Anyway, last Saturday, I saw the Meikraft Pfalz D.III in a shop for $3.99 US. As I am a sucker for cheap prices, I went ahead and picked it up. I know about the crudeness of the moldings, but how is the accuracy of this kit? I really couldn't pass up a WW1 kit for that price. As far as the idea of a chat room, there is a programming web site I go to that has a scheduled chat room for one day a week. they usually do it on (USA time) Sunday evenings. Would something like this work, where we all agree on a set day and time, as opposed to a continuous chat room? Al--I do not know what technical issues this involves, so forgive my ignorance if this idea is more trouble than it is worth. Paul A. Schwartzkopf ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Dec 1997 10:06:19 -0700 From: Charles Hart To: wwi Subject: Re: On Line (Again) Message-ID: >Well, after losing my TCP/IP stuff last Friday, I finally have my >PC restored and can talk again! Boy, do I hate Bill Gates! > >Anyway, last Saturday, I saw the Meikraft Pfalz D.III in a shop for >$3.99 US. As I am a sucker for cheap prices, I went ahead and picked >it up. I know about the crudeness of the moldings, but how is the >accuracy of this kit? I really couldn't pass up a WW1 kit for that >price. > This is actually one of Meikraft's better efforts. It was made from a Czech resin master. However, the surfaces of the Meikraft molding do need to be smoothed out a little. Did you get decals with your kit ? Some have them, others (i.e. later releases) don't. The decals alone are nearly worth $3.99. Charles hartc@spot.colorado.edu ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Dec 1997 10:18:23 -0700 From: Charles Hart To: wwi Subject: Re: Chat Room Message-ID: First, I will second Sandy's sentiments, we owe Al a big debt of gratitude for keeping this website and list in operation. Second, I will second Sandy's considered remarks regarding setting up a chat room for this list. I'm afraid that having such a feature will dilute the content of the list and many members who aren't terribly active in the discussion will miss out on some of the content. Personally, I find that the whole thing chugs along pretty well in its current configuration. Many of us are writing our remarks away from all of our references, so having some time to consider questions is a useful feature. I have no personal opposition to the principal of a chat room, I just think that a lot of folks might miss out on useful information. As for long running threads that break down in to one line remarks on someone's jokes, I don't mind humor, even working off topic, in people's posts. I don't even mind some discussion of F4Fs, He-219s and the like. I'm not wanting to censor, limit, muzzle or otherwise inhibit ANYONE'S contribution to this list, whatever the topic. I freely use my delete key on things I don't want to read. My problem with recent list trends has simply been the volume of posts in recent weeks (50+ since last evening, not even 24 hours). I find myself either spending a lot of time wading through the jokes and He-219 discussions or just deleting whole voluminous threads unread. I know that there are some list members with limited disk space on their e-mail accounts, so I think that a little self restraint might be in order to show them some consideration. My US$ 0.02 worth. Charles hartc@spot.colorado.edu ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Dec 1997 11:36:16 +0000 From: "Paul Schwartzkopf" To: wwi Subject: Re: On Line (Again) Message-ID: <199712090804.CAA24496@tscrypt1.transcrypt.com> Charles wrote: > However, the surfaces of the Meikraft molding do > need to be smoothed out a little. I did notice that you can use the fuselage as a finger nail file :-) Definitely needs to be finely wet sanded before assembly. I have their FF-1 (not yet built), so I was familiar with what I was getting. > Did you get decals with your kit ? Yes. There are two sheets. I did not do a full compare on the markings, but they appear to cover some of the same subjects as the 1/48 Glencoe D.III decal sheet. Both Meikraft sheets are in good condition, but you can tell that they have been around a while. Little (if any) yellowing, but I think they could use a coat of Super Scale decal film before using. I haven't got that far in my planning, so I don't know if they will actually be used when I build this one. Paul A. Schwartzkopf ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Dec 1997 13:14:53 -0500 (EST) From: Matthew Zivich To: wwi Cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: (fwd) WW I Turkish Aircraft Message-ID: Bob, Do you have any more specifics on the Alb. D-Va? (Such as lozenge camouflage? natural wood, etc.? Matt Z On Tue, 9 Dec 1997, Bob Pearson wrote: > > Mark, > > Checking my database of WW1 aircraft photos that have appeared in OTF, > C&C(GB/INT) and Windsock the following appears . . . > > Albatros B.II Turkish Air Service, Ottoman Fl.Abt 1 Black > Squares crashed OTF 9/3:236 > Albatros B.II Turkish Air Service, Ottoman Fl.Abt 1 German crosses OTF > 9/3:234 > Albatros C.III Turkish White outlined black squares Windsock 6/5:11 > Albatros D.Va Turkish Air Service Black Squares in place of > crosses C&C(INT) 21/1:12 > Bleriot XI-2 Turkish Air Service Turkish Star and Crescent In flight > @1914 OTF 9/3:231 > Deperdussin TT Turkish Air Service In Flight OTF 9/3:231 > Fokker E.I Tegmen Harretin Turkish Air Service B/w Squares over former > crosses OTF 9/3:236 > Gotha WD.13 Turkish Air Service Black squares OTF 11/2:160 > Gotha WD.2 Turkish Air Service Star and Crescent OTF 11/2:155 > Gotha WD.2 Turkish Air Service Star and Crescent OTF 8/1:8 > Martinsyde Elephant 7466 Turkish Turkish markings ex 30 Sqn RFC C&C(INT) > 22/1:55 > Nieuport VII Turkish Air Service Turkish flag on rudder Seaplane OTF > 9/3:232 > > There may be others, but I only used the word Turk in the Misc field of the > database search function. > > I have a copy of the Halberstadt Fighters on its way here already, but > thanks anyway. The only Ottoman profile I have done is Buddecke's E.III from > the Datafile. > > Regards, > Bob Pearson > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Dec 1997 12:30:17 +0000 From: "Paul Schwartzkopf" To: wwi Subject: Re: British Decals Message-ID: <199712090858.CAA25495@tscrypt1.transcrypt.com> Matt, The 1/72 Super Scale sheet I have is number 72-006. Was it 72-007 that you wanted? If so, oops!! Paul A. Schwartzkopf ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Dec 1997 13:32:41 -0500 (EST) From: Matthew Zivich To: wwi Cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: (fwd) WW I Turkish Aircraft Message-ID: Mark, On Tue, 9 Dec 1997, mark wrote: > Matthew - > > > Thanks for the reply. Actually I have just subscribed to the > >list, but I guess I'm still learning how to "Reply". > > Doing fine so far! > > > I've been playing around with a Smer 1/48th Albatros D-Va with > >twin wing radiators and fenders that I recall having seen in an old > >Squadron magazine issue about Albatroses in general. > > That Smer kit is an interesting one. Supposed to be a DIII, but you (among > others) have correctly noted that the fuselage is shaped much more like a > DVa than a DIII. The twin radiators make it a natural for a Middle East > bird, however if I recall correctly only the German Pascha units used the DV > in the mid-east; the Ottoman squadrons never got anything more advanced than > the Alb. DIII and Halb. DV, as far as I know. > Bob Pearson claims to have a photo of a DVa with Turkish markings. I've used black squares too on mine. > More recently I've > >seen a Squadron issue about Fokker E-lll's and it shows several > >illustrations or photos of the Turkish version. > > Is this the Squadron In Action that came out last year, or something else? > If it has several photos and illustrations, I may need to get it... > I believe it is the same. > >That is to say grey > >coloration throughout that I assumed to be weathered canvas. Here again > >I remember reading that new cream colored canvas tended to weather to > >a grey tone. > > Seems possible, but in the one **good** photo I've seen of a Turkish EIII > (i.e., the same one everybody's seen - Buddecke in a pith helmet, standing > next to the plane out side a tent hangar), the color is , I think, too dark > to be attributable to anything other than a paint job - question is, what > color? Lots of theories on that one, and I'm afraid we'll never really know > the answer.... > > So I have painted my D-Va natural wood and > >weathered grey canvas. > > Which markings did you use? > See above. > > Other sources I've seen from time to time indicate a brown > >range of coloration pretty much throughout. (Seems reasonable > >for the geography). > > A reasonable inference, and I tend to agree. There are photos of Alb. DII, > DIII, and CIII aircraft in Turkish service that all appear to have been > painted a uniform dark color. Given the appearance in orthochromatic film of > the time, as well as the geography, brown is probably the best guess. > There's a series of about 12 books covering every aspect of the War in our local library. In many of the books there are some excellent illustrations. That's where I saw an illustration of a Halberstadt CL? done virtually all in brown.> I've never seen lozenge camouflage, but my > >sources are admittedly few. > > Although the later Alb. DIII's had lozenge, I've not seen any photos of > Turkish aircraft with lozenge either. The later German types that used > lozenge extensively (Fokker DrI and DVII, ALb DV, Pfalz DIII/DIIIa and SSW > DIII), never made it to Turkey. By the time these types came out, Germany > was in a bind and could no longer afford to send the good stuff to their > allies. The Pascha units had DV's, some of which no doubt used lozenge camo, > but these were German units under German command, staffed by German pilots > and bearing German crosses. The Pascha units served only in Palestine, from > 1917 to the end of the war. The Ottoman units were under Turkish command, > were staffed by a mixture of German and Turkish aircrew (by 1918, the 2 > seater squadrons were almost entirely Turkish), and bore the black square > insignia. They served pretty much everywhere except Palestine (i.e., the > Caucasus, Anatolia, Mesopotamia, Syria, and the Hedjaz). I mention all this > because there seems to be widespread confusion in this area... > I have seen one floatplane with > >square national markings with the crescent & star superimposed. > >This was in a Harleyford publication which I'm sure all WW I > >aero buffs are familiar with. > > Ther are some fairly well known photos of Gotha floatplanes that bear star & > crescent markings, even though the photos were taken post-1914. The photo in > question is believed to have been taken at the Gotha factory. Later photos > of some of these same aircraft - **after** their arrival in Turkey - show > them with the black square markings painted over the star and crescent. By > this time, the black square had become the standard insignia, so to be > consistent... > > > I'd be interested in any other bits of information about this > >subject, and also a clue to your sources. > > My sources to date are: > > -Cross and Cockade Journal, Vol. 11, Nos. 2,3, and 4 (1970) > > - Over The Front, series entitled "Over The Wine Dark Sea" that ran in > several installments in 1994 and 1996. > > - Halberstadt Fighters by Peter Grosz (1997) > > - Osprey Men At Arms series, The Ottoman Army, 1914-18. > > Let me know if there;s anything you could use copies of. > > Mark > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Dec 1997 13:48:42 -0500 (EST) From: Matthew Zivich To: wwi Cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: (fwd) WW I Turkish Aircraft Message-ID: P.S. Mark, I forgot to mention my thoughts about the Smer Albatros "D-III". It's of course the old Aurora so-called D-III. That is to say a D-V body with a D-III rudder and tail skid plane. They do make excellent D-V's though, but you have to reposition the landing gear struts higher into the body and cut out tiny squares from the rear inboard edge of the bottom wings to allow the lg struts clearance to attach to the body. The lg struts too have to be lengthened to compensate for the higher attachment into the fuselage. The Glencoe D-III is the only kit I'm aware of that has a true D-III body, (1/48th) though its wings,among other things, lack detail. I'm going to try to build an Oeffag D-III out of a Glenco body and tail with Smer wings, landing gear, etc. The Glencoe Oeffag D-III series 253 is too puny in the nose area. Matt Z ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Dec 1997 14:30:07 -0500 (EST) From: smodels@ne.infi.net Subject: Re: Swedish Sk2 Message-ID: <199712091930.OAA04841@fh101.infi.net> > >Greetings all, > >Sorry to intrude, but I'm sure one of you bright talented gents can help me >here. Chris Banyai-Riepl has challenged me to figure out just what a Swedish >Sk2 is before he can illustrate one. The Sk2 is one of four Friedrichshafen FF.33E (numbers 216, 218, 219, 222) that were used by Sweden as floatplane trainers from 1918-29 according to info in the Bjorn Karlstrom plansbook vol 1, Svenska Flygvapnets Skolflygplan 1926-83 (Swedish Air Force Trainers 1926-83), published by Allt om Hobby, 1983. Sierra has indeed a kit of this FF.33E in 1/72 and will probably have one in 1/48 next year. We have sold many to a hobby shop in Sweden. Bob Sierra ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Dec 1997 12:44:29 -0700 From: Charles Hart To: wwi Subject: Re: Swedish Sk2 Message-ID: For information (in Swedish) and photos of this machine, surf on over to: http://home2.swipnet.se/~w-21608/sk2.htm Enjoy, Charles hartc@spot.colorado.edu ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Dec 1997 12:23:03 -0800 (PST) From: Patrick Padovan To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: On Line (Again) Message-ID: Dear Paul: In my opinion, you got a real steal! I rather like this kit (Meikraft D.III), and I found it builds up rather easily and is pretty accurate. Besides, what other choices do you have for this a/c in 1/72 scale plastic injection kits? (Pegasus D.III a is the only other one I know about.) With the Meikraft, you get additional parts to build a III/IIIa, and a rather spiffy set of decal sheets! Enjoy! Regards, Patrick ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Patrick Padovan Interlibrary Loan Associate Timberland Regional Library Voice: 360-943-5001 415 Airdustrial Way SW FAX: 360-586-6838 Olympia, WA 98501-5799 e-mail: ppadovan@timberland.lib.wa.us ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Dec 1997 15:32:48 EST From: Kr0i2 To: wwi Subject: Re: Eduard Hannover Message-ID: <115b5c6f.348daaf3@aol.com> Hi all, I'm new to the list but noticed some messages re the Eduard Hannover. I have one sitting on the shelf that I'd be glad to send to a new home for what I paid for it. I doubt if I will live long enough to finish what I have on the shelves :>) It's kit # 8008 in 1:48 If anyone is interested, send me an e-mail at: kr0i2@aol.com Mac ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Dec 1997 14:51:03 -0600 From: "Bittner, Matthew (KTR) ~U" To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: W.29 thought Message-ID: While waiting for software to "compile", I got to thinking about the MPM W.29, and all the problems Sandy had with the wing. Would it be possible to make an "ultimate" W.29 by mating a Pegasus wing to the rest of the MPM kit? What does everyone think? Do you think it's possible, John? Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 06:54:02 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: wwi Subject: RE: (fwd) WW I Turkish Aircraft Message-ID: <199712092205.IAA13200@mimmon.mim.com.au> Mark, >. The later German types that used >lozenge extensively (Fokker DrI and DVII, ALb DV, Pfalz DIII/DIIIa and SSW >DIII), never made it to Turkey. It seems like you have a couple of typos there, or my understanding of German covering practices is seriously amiss Regards Shane ------------------------------ Date: 9 Dec 1997 16:57:22 EDT From: Redwilde@bdsbbs.com (Redwilde) To: wwi Subject: Re: Eduard Hannover Message-ID: <88170468170034@bdsbbs.com> In addition to Mac's Hannover, I checked a local shop that has a good supply of Eduard kits and there are (3) Hannovers on the shelf. I can pick them up and ship them for folks ($40 retail + $3 should cover teh shipping) Brian RW redwilde@bdsbbs.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Dec 1997 13:59:15 -0800 From: Riordan and Michelle Goodwin To: wwi Subject: Re: Salmsons Message-ID: <348DA1D0.43FF@ricochet.net> Matthew Zivich wrote: > I have the 1/72 Pegasus Salmson and it was no treat. What're the biggest problems with this kit, other than it being less than optimal size for complex rigging? Riordan ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 07:09:46 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: wwi Subject: RE: W.29 thought Message-ID: <199712092220.IAA13429@mimmon.mim.com.au> Matt, >While waiting for software to "compile", I got to thinking about the MPM >W.29, and all the problems Sandy had with the wing. Given that Sandy has just dissed threads giving blow by blow building accounts, and also that he's primarily (entirely??) a 1/48 builder, I suspect you mean my interminable rant >Would it be possible to make an "ultimate" W.29 by mating a Pegasus wing >to the rest of the MPM kit? I haven't seen the Pegasus kit at all, but given that the removal of the dihedral on the outer panels of the MPM takes maybe 30 minutes if you're almighty slow, and the "sweep" is only a degree or two out, I don't see why I'd write off another $20+ on a second kit Shane ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 800 *********************