WWI Digest 796 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Sprues by Redwilde@bdsbbs.com (Redwilde) 2) Re: WW I connecting WW II by bucky@mail.ptd.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) 3) Re: kit for sale by TPT PUMPER 4) Re: WW I connecting WW II by "Sandy Adam" 5) Re: Sprues by "Sandy Adam" 6) James Dietz Paintings by "Sandy Adam" 7) RE: James Dietz Paintings by Shane Weier 8) Re: Sprues by "Don RInker" 9) Re: WW I connecting WW II by bucky@mail.ptd.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) 10) Re: James Dietz Paintings by bucky@mail.ptd.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) 11) Re: Eduard Albatros DV brass by DavidL1217 12) Re: kit for sale by DavidL1217 13) Re: Eduard Hannover by Riordan and Michelle Goodwin 14) 5 to 4-color transition? by Riordan and Michelle Goodwin 15) Re: WW I connecting WW II by rnrniles@2xtreme.net (Russell W Niles) 16) Re: 5 to 4-color transition? by Charles Hart 17) Eduard Albatros DV brass cockpit by "Charles/Linda Duckworth " 18) Re: WW I connecting WW II by Aidrian Bridgeman-Sutton 19) Vac making treatise, WWI list by Joey Valenciano 20) Re: WW I connecting WW II by "Alexandre " 21) Re: Eduard Albatros DV brass cockpit by Carlos Valdes ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 6 Dec 1997 23:26:18 EDT From: Redwilde@bdsbbs.com (Redwilde) To: wwi Subject: Sprues Message-ID: <8814688362020@bdsbbs.com> Holding your breath while stretching the sprue not only helps your aim, but it helps save your brain cells. The fumes emitted from burning/melting plastic are pretty toxic. When i work with heating plastic, I wear a high quality respirator with a rubber cover for the nose and mouth and replacable filters. And use good ventilation, I work near an open window. My wife appreciates both precautions. She came home once when I hadn't opened a window and could smell what had been going on. Brian RW ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Dec 1997 23:58:09 -0500 From: bucky@mail.ptd.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) To: wwi, Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: WW I connecting WW II Message-ID: <199712070458.XAA12877@pease1.sr.unh.edu> At 07:04 AM 11/29/97 -0500, Sandy Adam wrote: > >Michael flew a Hurri Mk1 during Battle of France for 56Sqn. On May 27 1940 >he shot down a Heinkel, was shot down himself, baled out over Ostend, >nearly shot by friendly troops and summonsed to an audience with Prince >Charles of the Belgians, who apologised as it was his gun battery which had >shot Michael down! - all this happened within the space of 20 minutes! > >In the early stages of the Battle of Britain he flew "US.U" nicknamed >"Archangel" and shot down a 109 in this shortly before crash landing and >writing it off. He was very fond of this plane and shattered to lose it. He >found somebody at the factory had painted "Good Luck" on the control column >before delivery. > >He was credited with several shared kills but only one solo during BoB - a >Bf110 of Zg26 flown by Tipelt & Brosig, killed 27/9/40. Serials are not >given but N2479 - "US.R" or "US.B" may have been one. On his later >Hurricanes his sister had him paint a "P" with three arrows through it in >red under the cockpit. (St Philomena turned her back on huntsman's arrows >evidently) > >Interestingly Michael shot down his last (604 - Mosquito Night Intruder) >Squadron's 100th victory - a Ju88 Night Fighter - and Gerald had shot down >56 Squadron's 200th victory in 1917. Sandy Thanks for the info...sorry it took so long to write back! I found some good photos of Gerald's SE5a in the High in the Empty Blue book. I think I'll make the one with ther large white "A" on it. Now to try and find some Hurricane photos. I think a friend of m,ine might have some BoB books with Hurri photos. Any idea on where to get the white decals for the Letters? Mike Muth ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Dec 1997 00:22:32 EST From: TPT PUMPER To: wwi Subject: Re: kit for sale Message-ID: <57bec949.348a329a@aol.com> In a message dated 97-12-06 20:36:11 EST, you write: > > > << What? Oh yes, I forgot you Americans have funny shaped balls... > > > Sandy > > > >> > > > No, just big > > > Robert > > You must have Scottish blood then - its why we can only wear kilts you > > know! > > Sandy > > AYE THAT!!! > > IRA Campbell (1/2 Scottish) > > Uh,,,,,, 1/2 a ball then? > > > Um abraco > > Pedro (Who's happy with what he's got) > > > Laddie, will ya be wantin' ta count 'em? (JUST kiddin'! ;^) ) (In a related, also off-topic joke, the hooker looks at a man's meager equipment and asks him, "And who do you expect to satisfy with that little thing?" His answer: "Me.") ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Dec 1997 11:47:09 -0000 From: "Sandy Adam" To: Subject: Re: WW I connecting WW II Message-ID: <199712071115.LAA02003@beryl.sol.co.uk> Thanks for the info...sorry it took so long to write back! I found > some good photos of Gerald's SE5a in the High in the Empty Blue book. I > think I'll make the one with ther large white "A" on it. Now to try and find > some Hurricane photos. I think a friend of m,ine might have some BoB books > with Hurri photos. Any idea on where to get the white decals for the Letters? > Mike Muth I'm not sure where you should look for these Mike - I tend to search the old spare transfers box for these sort of items - I remember Fujimi 1/48 WW2 planes used to have loads of options for example - but I don't have any WW2 stuff anymore. Over here there is an extensive range of letter/number styles/sizes available from Letraset (dry print) which might yield the right results. Otherwise there are sheets of letters only from people like Blue Rider. Think they do an RAF serials sheet in fact but it may be red bomber codes. BTW the Philomena legend is described as follows: <-- --- <--P--- <-- --- Don't know if that will come out on your screen though. HTH Sandy ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Dec 1997 11:37:10 -0000 From: "Sandy Adam" To: Subject: Re: Sprues Message-ID: <199712071115.LAA02000@beryl.sol.co.uk> > When i work with heating plastic, I wear a high quality respirator with > a rubber cover for the nose and mouth and replacable filters. I find wearing Frogman's flippers and underpants outside trousers helps to increase the enjoyment too. Sandy ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Dec 1997 12:12:41 -0000 From: "Sandy Adam" To: "AAA - WW1 Group" Subject: James Dietz Paintings Message-ID: <199712071115.LAA02009@beryl.sol.co.uk> I'm sure the artists amongst us will cringe at the Post-Romantic oversweet, cloying nature of some of Dietz's pictures (The dying aviator in the FMP Russian book for example). But I find some of his other paintings are superb - the FMP cover: the cover of the latest Cross&Cockade: for example. Does anyone know if, and where, reproductions or posters of his pictures can be seen/obtained? Web sites? I have a few framed prints of avaition subjects hanging in my hallway/stairs and would love prints of the two mentioned above to add to them. Sandy ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Dec 1997 20:43:23 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: wwi Subject: RE: James Dietz Paintings Message-ID: <199712071157.VAA23796@mimmon.mim.com.au> Sandy Try http://www.overthefront.com/SiteMill.html/04Samples.html They have a large archive of OtF covers, several of which I've unashamedly lifted and rotate as wallpaper on my work PC Shane ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Dec 1997 09:29:01 -0500 From: "Don RInker" To: Subject: Re: Sprues Message-ID: <01bd031c$76721ec0$30ef93cd@default> -----Original Message----- From: Sandy Adam > >I find wearing Frogman's flippers and underpants outside trousers helps to >increase the enjoyment too. >Sandy > Tell more about your regular building ensemble of garter belt, fishnet stockings, heels, and pasties. At least that what the neighbors and your local police blotter says. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Dec 1997 09:44:38 -0500 From: bucky@mail.ptd.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) To: wwi, Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: WW I connecting WW II Message-ID: <199712071444.JAA13633@pease1.sr.unh.edu> At 06:27 AM 12/7/97 -0500, Sandy Adam wrote: > > Thanks for the info...sorry it took so long to write back! I found >> some good photos of Gerald's SE5a in the High in the Empty Blue book. I >> think I'll make the one with ther large white "A" on it. Now to try and >find >> some Hurricane photos. I think a friend of m,ine might have some BoB >books >> with Hurri photos. Any idea on where to get the white decals for the >Letters? >> Mike Muth > >I'm not sure where you should look for these Mike - I tend to search the >old spare transfers box for these sort of items - I remember Fujimi 1/48 >WW2 planes used to have loads of options for example - but I don't have any >WW2 stuff anymore. > >Over here there is an extensive range of letter/number styles/sizes >available from Letraset (dry print) which might yield the right results. >Otherwise there are sheets of letters only from people like Blue Rider. >Think they do an RAF serials sheet in fact but it may be red bomber codes. > >BTW the Philomena legend is described as follows: > ><-- --- ><--P--- ><-- --- > >Don't know if that will come out on your screen though. >HTH >Sandy Thanks. Off to the discontinued bins.... Mike ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Dec 1997 10:19:34 -0500 From: bucky@mail.ptd.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) To: wwi, Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: James Dietz Paintings Message-ID: <199712071519.KAA13709@pease1.sr.unh.edu> At 06:32 AM 12/7/97 -0500, Sandy Adam wrote: >I'm sure the artists amongst us will cringe at the Post-Romantic oversweet, >cloying nature of some of Dietz's pictures (The dying aviator in the FMP >Russian book for example). >But I find some of his other paintings are superb - the FMP cover: the >cover of the latest Cross&Cockade: for example. > >Does anyone know if, and where, reproductions or posters of his pictures >can be seen/obtained? Web sites? > >I have a few framed prints of avaition subjects hanging in my >hallway/stairs and would love prints of the two mentioned above to add to >them. Sandy Like you said..he's pretty popular now. Most galleries have some of his stuff even if they only advertise the more recent/popular. Here are some sites I found http://www.west.net/~bender/dietz2.htm Pershing http://www.west.net/~bender/dietz.htm Bonne Chance & Mud in your eye I was in Virginia Bader galleries a few years ago and it seems like they had a lot, but I don't have a site handy. HTH Mike Muth ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Dec 1997 12:24:18 EST From: DavidL1217 To: wwi Subject: Re: Eduard Albatros DV brass Message-ID: <5e1e47e4.348adbe8@aol.com> Eduard has released a new brass set for their own kit. This set has roughly 2 1/2 times the number of parts. Additional parts include seat, better seatbelts including metal fasteners for the rear bulkhead. A fold-em-cockpit floor and bulkheads, cowling strap and cowling front plate for behind the propeller, improved fuel selector switch panel, and all of the metal bits for the fuselage sides. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Dec 1997 12:31:38 EST From: DavidL1217 To: wwi Subject: Re: kit for sale Message-ID: <2fc649e9.348add7d@aol.com> Just to reassure our friends in the 'Mother Country', my kids play soccer, known to the blokes as football and my niece recently broke her collarbone in a scrum playing rugger. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 07 Dec 1997 09:53:15 -0800 From: Riordan and Michelle Goodwin To: wwi Subject: Re: Eduard Hannover Message-ID: <348AE28B.694D@ricochet.net> John & Allison Cyganowski wrote: > > During the sale at Rosemont, Barry mentioned that these were very popular items. I will > probably regret not buying one. Don't sweat it-there may not have been any left anyhow. He sold out of 'em the first day. I got the Albatros C.III instead. Good choice as well (I got one too), although I recall this one can be a tricky build. -- --------------------------------------- This e-mail has been brought to you by - Riordan and Michelle Goodwin - ***************************** Great Holiday Gift Ideas at Jewels of the Silk Road http://www.silkroadjewels.com ***************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 07 Dec 1997 12:02:23 -0800 From: Riordan and Michelle Goodwin To: wwi Subject: 5 to 4-color transition? Message-ID: <348B00CF.3B61@ricochet.net> Just browsing the OTF website, I was looking at the USAF's D.VII replica of Rudolf Stark's plane. I was wondering when (or if) the decision was made to go from 5 to 4 color printed fabric, and when might that have manifested itself at the factories? Were both manufactured concurrently? Apparently, some aircraft were covered/repaired entirely in one fabric, i.e., upper OR lower if stocks of either had run out. This makes for interesting variations... -- --------------------------------------- This e-mail has been brought to you by - Riordan and Michelle Goodwin - ***************************** Great Holiday Gift Ideas at Jewels of the Silk Road http://www.silkroadjewels.com ***************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Dec 1997 12:31:15 -0800 From: rnrniles@2xtreme.net (Russell W Niles) To: wwi Subject: Re: WW I connecting WW II Message-ID: <19971207203113410.AAA171@176.usr5.2xtreme.net> BIG SNIP >Sandy > Thanks for the info...sorry it took so long to write back! I found >some good photos of Gerald's SE5a in the High in the Empty Blue book. I >think I'll make the one with ther large white "A" on it. Now to try and find >some Hurricane photos. I think a friend of m,ine might have some BoB books >with Hurri photos. Any idea on where to get the white decals for the Letters? >Mike Muth Mike I'm pretty sure that you can find just about any of the lettering decals that you would need in either Aeromaster decals or Super Scale decals. Both companies have extensive WWII decal sheets, and probably have several sheets for Battle of Britain markings and Hurribox markings. Russ Niles IPMS 4450 rnrniles@wired2.net Too close for missles....switching to guns. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Dec 1997 15:19:01 -0700 From: Charles Hart To: wwi Subject: Re: 5 to 4-color transition? Message-ID: >Just browsing the OTF website, I was looking at the USAF's D.VII replica >of Rudolf Stark's plane. I was wondering when (or if) the decision was >made to go from 5 to 4 color printed fabric, and when might that have >manifested itself at the factories? Were both manufactured concurrently? >Apparently, some aircraft were covered/repaired entirely in one fabric, >i.e., upper OR lower if stocks of either had run out. This makes for >interesting variations... > >-- >--------------------------------------- >This e-mail has been brought to you by > - Riordan and Michelle Goodwin - I think that the covering of the replica D-VII in Stark's markings has more to do with replica 5-color fabric being readily available. No one has bothered to do the same thing with 4-color fabric. Photographic evidence would suggest that 4-color and 5-color lozenge were produced and used concurrently with Fokker getting most of the 4-color stocks. I say this because apart from Fokker products and a few Albatros (Fokker built ?) machines, nearly all other aircraft with lozenge fabric used the 5-color variety. Many exceptions are possible. My US$0.02 for a short answer to a complex question. Charles hartc@spot.colorado.edu ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Dec 1997 16:43:02 -0800 From: "Charles/Linda Duckworth " To: "ww1list" Subject: Eduard Albatros DV brass cockpit Message-ID: <199712072243.QAA29763@mail.primary.net> Dave, do you know where one can order the Eduard Albatros DV brass cockpit you mentioned in your email earlier today? Thanks Charlie ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Dec 1997 13:59:26 -0800 From: Aidrian Bridgeman-Sutton To: wwi Subject: Re: WW I connecting WW II Message-ID: <348C6D87.4B2C@ConnectorSystems.co.nz> Hi grand snipperama >> Now to try and find > >some Hurricane photos. I think a friend of m,ine might have some BoB books > >with Hurri photos. Any idea on where to get the white decals for the Letters? > >Mike Muth > > Mike > I'm pretty sure that you can find just about any of the lettering decals > that you would need in either Aeromaster decals or Super Scale decals. Both > companies have extensive WWII decal sheets, and probably have several sheets > for Battle of Britain markings and Hurribox markings. > Russ Niles IPMS 4450 > rnrniles@wired2.net For a BoB Hurricane it would pay to look for Medium Sea Grey codes rather than white. AFAIK all home based Hurricanes at this time had quite large codes on the fuselage sides -36" I think is the right size. Model decals in the Uk do 1/72nd codes ain a variey of sizes, but if you need 1/48th scale 36" codes I couldn't say. The later 24" codes are easy, just use 1/72 36" letters. Alternatively at the larger scale it is not *too* difficult to handpaint the letters onto clear decal film. Cheers Aidrian Aidrian ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Dec 1997 09:21:27 +0800 From: Joey Valenciano To: wwi Subject: Vac making treatise, WWI list Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19971208092127.006a0a30@philonline.com.ph> Hi all, Starting a new thread here, hope it is an interesting one. With all this Sierra vac talk and one of us asking the librarian about a book on vac making, do you think it would be a good idea for us to come up with a set of instructions on making WWI vacs? If you all think this is a good idea, we could first construct a subject outline. All contributions could be added to the proper heading of the outline. Major topics in the outline could be: I. Removing the "Megaflash" II. Wing construction A. Replacing rib detail B. Setting dihedral III. Fuselage construction A. Defining "soft" edges on boxy fuselages B. Refining/replacing soft detail (louvers, access panels, etc. C. Adding clear parts D. Scratchbuilding the interior 1. Making bulkheads 2. Making control columns/steering wheels IV. Making struts V. General assembly A. Painting parts before or after assembly B. Putting it all together. Please feel free to refine/add more topics to the above outline. Each heading would contain all the different techniques contributed. All contributions could be edited so that our final work would have the maximum amount of data w/o redundancy. Well, what do you think? A good idea? It would help those interested in trying vacs but not knowing how to jump in. It would also introduce new techniques to those already making vacs. The final version of the work could be posted in Allan's webpage or kept by the librarian (Riordan) for the benefit of future list members. ********************************************************************* Joey Valenciano WW1 modeller, teacher, jazz musician, joeyval@pusit.admu.edu.ph sitarist tel. (632) 921-26-75 Metro-Manila, Philippines "The more you know, the more you don't know." ********************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Dec 1997 23:44:48 -0200 From: "Alexandre " To: Subject: Re: WW I connecting WW II Message-ID: <199712080144.BAA01930@srv1-cas.cas.nutecnet.com.br> Hi Mike, Russell et all, Aeromaster have these decal sheets (Battle of Britain Hurricanes) as the following: 1) 1/72 scale : sheet # 72-137; 2) 1/48 scale : sheet # 48-079. HTH, Best regards, Alexandre - atcampos@nutecnet.com.br ---------- > De: Russell W Niles > Para: Multiple recipients of list > Assunto: Re: WW I connecting WW II > Data: Domingo, 7 de Dezembro de 1997 18:36 > > BIG SNIP > >Sandy > > Thanks for the info...sorry it took so long to write back! I found > >some good photos of Gerald's SE5a in the High in the Empty Blue book. I > >think I'll make the one with ther large white "A" on it. Now to try and find > >some Hurricane photos. I think a friend of m,ine might have some BoB books > >with Hurri photos. Any idea on where to get the white decals for the Letters? > >Mike Muth > > Mike > I'm pretty sure that you can find just about any of the lettering decals > that you would need in either Aeromaster decals or Super Scale decals. Both > companies have extensive WWII decal sheets, and probably have several sheets > for Battle of Britain markings and Hurribox markings. > Russ Niles IPMS 4450 > rnrniles@wired2.net > > Too close for missles....switching to guns. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 07 Dec 1997 18:49:59 -0500 From: Carlos Valdes To: wwi Subject: Re: Eduard Albatros DV brass cockpit Message-ID: <348B3627.6D1B@conted.gatech.edu> > Dave, do you know where one can order the Eduard Albatros DV brass cockpit > you mentioned in your > email earlier today? Thanks > Charlie I just picked up this set today in a local hobby shop. I assume it is generally available by now at all the usual sources. It is Eduard #48-218. Carlos ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 796 *********************