WWI Digest 795 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: What's the Secret to Stretching Sprue? by Kenneth Hagerup 2) Re: Web Page by "Charles/Linda Duckworth " 3) Re: First models by "William B. Bacon, Jr." 4) Re: Christmas in the Trenches by Bob Pearson 5) Re: kit for sale by Bob Pearson 6) Re: Sierra Poll Results by Aidrian Bridgeman-Sutton 7) Re: kit for sale by "Sandy Adam" 8) Re: Christmas in the Trenches by "Sandy Adam" 9) Re: Formaplane (was Re: Sierra poll.) by DavidL1217 10) Re: Balsa plans by DavidL1217 11) Fw: RFC and Martinsyde Info wanted by "Sandy Adam" 12) Re: kit for sale by TPT PUMPER 13) Re: by Alberto Rada 14) Re: kit for sale/off topic by Riordan and Michelle Goodwin 15) Martinsyde's and Bowyer's book by "Charles/Linda Duckworth " 16) Re: Martinsyde's and Bowyer's book by "Chris Banyai-Riepl" 17) Re: What's the Secret to Stretching Sprue? by "Tom Werner Hansen" 18) Re: Christmas in the Trenches by huggins@onramp.net (John Huggins) 19) Re: Eduard Hannover by DavidL1217 20) Re: kit for sale/off topic by huggins@onramp.net (John Huggins) 21) Re: What's the Secret to Stretching Sprue? by huggins@onramp.net (John Huggins) 22) RE: What's the Secret to Stretching Sprue? by Matthew Zivich 23) Re: Balsa plans by Bob Pearson 24) Re: Eduard Hannover by John & Allison Cyganowski 25) Re: kit for sale by Pedro Nuno Soares 26) Vac book by Pedro Nuno Soares 27) Re: Formaplane (was Re: Sierra poll.) by BStett3770 28) Re: kit for sale by Bob Pearson ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 05 Dec 1997 21:35:14 -0600 From: Kenneth Hagerup To: wwi Subject: Re: What's the Secret to Stretching Sprue? Message-ID: <3488C7F2.31B@prodigy.net> Kevin & Kimberley Barrett wrote: > I've got a couple of (OK, more than a few) models near completion that I'd > like to add a little rigging to. Nothing elaborate, just suggestive. > However, since these models are so far along, I feel that the best way to > rig them is with some heated stretched plastic sprue. > > However, for the life of me, I can't get the darn stuff thin enough. I'm > sure there's a trick to stretching sprue for rigging purposes - what is it? I use a candle for a heat source. Cut a piece of sprue about 5cm long. Hold the sprue by one end, the middle just over the flame. Rotate the sprue between your thumb and forefinger. concentrate the flame on just a small (5mm) area. Soon, the plastic will begin to melt. When the sprue melts enough to bend over, grasp the other end and stretch. Depending on the original thickness of the sprue, you should be able to stretch the small melted area to a length of 50cm or more. If you wait a few seconds before stretching, the resultant stretched sprue will be a little shorter, and a little thicker. I maintain tension on the sprue until it's fully cooled. Experiment with different sprue thicknesses and delays before stretching. Once you have the sprue stretched, it's just a matter of transferring the needed length with a pair of dividers or a small ruler. After I glue both ends into pre-drilled holes, a very small amount of heat will tend to tighten up the sprue. I use a just blown out wooden match held close to the rigging line. Having said all this, I'm now trying to experiment with monofiliment libe, but HSP does have the advantage of not needing to be painted if you start out with sprue of the correct color (I like dark grey or silver-grey plastic) HTH, Ken ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 22:01:30 -0800 From: "Charles/Linda Duckworth " To: Subject: Re: Web Page Message-ID: <199712060401.WAA08250@mail.primary.net> Ken, enjoyed your WWW site nice modeling on the Depperdussin Racer. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Dec 1997 22:10:10 -0600 From: "William B. Bacon, Jr." To: wwi Subject: Re: First models Message-ID: <3488D022.DB5@netjava.net> Mary-Ann/Michael wrote: > > At 12:36 AM 12/3/97 -0500, William B. Bacon, Jr. wrote: > >Mike, > > > >Yes it is the Hit Kit and, as I stumble along, I will keep the list > >posted as to stupid moves, dumb luck and all else that goes on. Check > >Chandelle, last issue. Has a great selection of Polish A/C done by our > >own Bob Johnson. > > > >Snail address: > > > >William B. Bacon, Jr. > >911 Sixth Avenue > >Canyon, TX 79015-3633 > > > >I suspect that you have let "Riverdance" knock you into another world as > >it did me. > > > >Thanks for the offer. Hope you and yours gorged yourselves on turkey > >and all the goodies. > Bill > I'll try and get the tape to you before Christmas, but as you can > well remember, I'm awful slow at doing these things. Any idea for what you'd > like on the other side of the tape? > Mike Mike, Your choice and I know it will be good. Thanks again . anything I can do for you? Cheers, Bill ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 20:58:01 -0800 From: Bob Pearson To: WW1 Mailing list Subject: Re: Christmas in the Trenches Message-ID: <04580158357834@KAIEN.COM> There is also a song by John McDermott on 'Danny Boy' called 'Christmas in the Trenches'. In the WW1 song theme, this cd also has 'The Green Fields of France', 'And the Band Played Waltzing Matilda'. A nice listen for working those late nights in front of the screen. Regards, Bob Pearson ---------- > From: "Charles/Linda Duckworth " > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Re: Christmas in the Trenches > Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 20:47:11 -0500 > > I'll be playing football with you out in no-man's land soon! > > Sandy reminded me of the great book 'Christmas Truce The Western Front > December 1914' by Malcolm Brown and Shirley Seaton ISBN 0-333-62078-X 1994 > PaperMac Publisher). Fine reading for the season on our period of > interest. I used to check out of the public library every year and then > found a copy at Duxford in their gift shop. > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 20:58:20 -0800 From: Bob Pearson To: WW1 Mailing list Subject: Re: kit for sale Message-ID: <04582020957837@KAIEN.COM> Isn't there a medical term for that disease? Bob ---------- > From: KarrArt > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Re: kit for sale > Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 18:51:29 -0500 > > In a message dated 97-12-05 13:39:53 EST, cbbs@almac.co.uk writes: > > << What? Oh yes, I forgot you Americans have funny shaped balls... > Sandy > >> > No, just big > Robert ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 06 Dec 1997 18:13:47 -0800 From: Aidrian Bridgeman-Sutton To: wwi Subject: Re: Sierra Poll Results Message-ID: <348A065B.687F@ConnectorSystems.co.nz> SNIP >Floatplanes have been popular, anyone interested in a Short 184 Oo...... er...... yes please Mr Sierra! Lots of ideas for a couple of those - A Robey built machine for a start.. which engine I wonder. All you suasage freaks don't know what your missing Cheers Aidrian Chch NZ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Dec 1997 11:22:28 -0000 From: "Sandy Adam" To: Subject: Re: kit for sale Message-ID: <199712061039.KAA15964@beryl.sol.co.uk> ---------- > From: KarrArt > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Re: kit for sale > Date: 05 December 1997 23:51 > > In a message dated 97-12-05 13:39:53 EST, cbbs@almac.co.uk writes: > > << What? Oh yes, I forgot you Americans have funny shaped balls... > Sandy > >> > No, just big > Robert You must have Scottish blood then - its why we can only wear kilts you know! Sandy ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Dec 1997 11:21:14 -0000 From: "Sandy Adam" To: Subject: Re: Christmas in the Trenches Message-ID: <199712061039.KAA15961@beryl.sol.co.uk> > I'll be playing football with you out in no-man's land soon! > > Sandy reminded me of the great book 'Christmas Truce The Western Front > December 1914' by Malcolm Brown and Shirley Seaton ISBN 0-333-62078-X 1994 > PaperMac Publisher). Fine reading for the season on our period of > interest. I used to check out of the public library every year and then > found a copy at Duxford in their gift shop. > I keep plugging "Air of Battle" by WM Fry but I can only tell you I have voted with my wallet and got a booksearch done that unearthed me a copy which arrived a couple of days ago to replace my Public Library loan. The interesting aeroplane references abound - but also a first-hand account by Fry of Christmas 1914 when he was in the infantry and took part in meetings in mid NML with the opposing Germans. Many of these stories are apocryphal - its good to find a true one. Sandy ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Dec 1997 08:33:59 EST From: DavidL1217 To: wwi Subject: Re: Formaplane (was Re: Sierra poll.) Message-ID: <239e838c.34895449@aol.com> Rosemont also made a Nieuport 12 vac in 1/72. I wonder if Barry is conversint any of his vac subject to resin. These include the SPAD A2, the Elephant and the Nieu 12. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Dec 1997 08:36:55 EST From: DavidL1217 To: wwi Subject: Re: Balsa plans Message-ID: <9d6eb0d.348954f9@aol.com> Bob, I can get you copies of any of the 8 of these I have. I will need to find a copy shop that does large sheets. David ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Dec 1997 15:43:38 -0000 From: "Sandy Adam" To: "AAA - WW1 Group" Subject: Fw: RFC and Martinsyde Info wanted Message-ID: <199712061445.OAA18497@beryl.sol.co.uk> Hi again Chris Yes "Under the Guns of the RB" makes your heart stop when each fatal entry finishes with the line; "He was eighteen years old" or He was nineteen years old" etc. The best ref for the Elephant I can think of, apart from the Profile and others mentioned already, is the section in the first of the WW1 Warplanes vol.1 Special by Ray Rimmel's Albatros Productions. Superb 1/72 & 1/48 plans and a selection of good photographs. Not much text though. Sandy ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Dec 1997 11:23:25 EST From: TPT PUMPER To: wwi Subject: Re: kit for sale Message-ID: <923cedb7.34897c02@aol.com> In a message dated 97-12-06 10:39:37 EST, you write: > > << What? Oh yes, I forgot you Americans have funny shaped balls... > > Sandy > > >> > > No, just big > > Robert > You must have Scottish blood then - its why we can only wear kilts you > know! > Sandy AYE THAT!!! IRA Campbell (1/2 Scottish) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 06 Dec 1997 13:08:34 -0400 From: Alberto Rada To: wwi Subject: Re: Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19971206130834.00ceed38@pop.true.net> Thanks for the tip Matt SALUDOS ALBERTO At 10:09 PM 05-12-97 -0500, you wrote: >On Fri, 5 Dec 1997 18:46:01 -0500 Alberto Rada writes: > >>I think Sopwith Hobbies sells it > >I think Precision is the only one that sells that particular "brand". >Sopwith sells the carbon steel variety (which is wonderful - but highly >magnetic - stuff). > > >Matt Bittner > > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 06 Dec 1997 10:00:54 -0800 From: Riordan and Michelle Goodwin To: wwi Subject: Re: kit for sale/off topic Message-ID: <348992D6.50F@ricochet.net> TPT PUMPER wrote: > > In a message dated 97-12-06 10:39:37 EST, you write: > > > > << What? Oh yes, I forgot you Americans have funny shaped balls... > > > Sandy > > > >> > > > No, just big > > > Robert > > You must have Scottish blood then - its why we can only wear kilts you > > know! > > Sandy > > AYE THAT!!! > > IRA Campbell (1/2 Scottish) I've got a few Scots in the wood pile too. Warnoch, clan of Davidson. I hear we are currently without a chief... Cheers, Riordan ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Dec 1997 13:12:26 -0800 From: "Charles/Linda Duckworth " To: Subject: Martinsyde's and Bowyer's book Message-ID: <199712061911.NAA27867@mail.primary.net> Chaz Bowyer wrote a book titled 'The Flying Elephants - 27 Squadron RFC/RAF' which would cover the Martinsydes and RFC. I have never seen the book but its listed in his Bristol F2B Fighter book. If anyone has it or has borrowed via the library they could comment further - would obviously be a good source. I don't have the ISBN but would like to know it. Charlie. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Dec 1997 11:50:36 -0800 From: "Chris Banyai-Riepl" To: Subject: Re: Martinsyde's and Bowyer's book Message-ID: <01bd0280$38cefa80$9e4ffbce@chrisban> Yes, I would be very interested in this book. Anyone on the list know anything further? Chris Banyai-Riepl .. "One must be a wise reader to quote wisely and well." A. Bronson Alcott (1799-1888), U.S. educator, social reformer. Table Talk, bk. 1, "Quotation" (1877). .. Alga Computer Systems http://willapabay.org/~herper/ .. Aviation What-Not http://www.willapabay.org/~herper/aviation -----Original Message----- From: Charles/Linda Duckworth To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Saturday, December 06, 1997 11:23 AM Subject: Martinsyde's and Bowyer's book >Chaz Bowyer wrote a book titled 'The Flying Elephants - 27 Squadron >RFC/RAF' which would >cover the Martinsydes and RFC. I have never seen the book but its listed >in his Bristol F2B Fighter >book. If anyone has it or has borrowed via the library they could comment >further - would obviously be a good source. I don't have the ISBN but >would like to know it. > >Charlie. > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Dec 1997 17:36:55 +0100 From: "Tom Werner Hansen" To: Subject: Re: What's the Secret to Stretching Sprue? Message-ID: <199712062020.VAA23083@d1o211.telia.com> Kenneth Lots of good advice by now. Funnily enough not all manufacturers' plastic lend themselves equally well to heat-stretching. Staszak in "Building and improving vacuum-formed model aircraft" says that he has found that Hasegawa, Heller, Italeri and Monogram are easiest to work with and give the best result. I second that, at least as far as Heller Hasegawa and Monogram are concerned. I don't know about Italeri. Tom ---------- > From: Kenneth Hagerup > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Re: What's the Secret to Stretching Sprue? > Date: 06. desember 1997 04:43 > > Kevin & Kimberley Barrett wrote: > > > I've got a couple of (OK, more than a few) models near completion that I'd > > like to add a little rigging to. Nothing elaborate, just suggestive. > > However, since these models are so far along, I feel that the best way to > > rig them is with some heated stretched plastic sprue. > > > > However, for the life of me, I can't get the darn stuff thin enough. I'm > > sure there's a trick to stretching sprue for rigging purposes - what is it? > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Dec 1997 15:57:08 -0600 From: huggins@onramp.net (John Huggins) To: wwi Subject: Re: Christmas in the Trenches Message-ID: >There is also a song by John McDermott on 'Danny Boy' called 'Christmas in >the Trenches'. In the WW1 song theme, this cd also has 'The Green Fields of >France', 'And the Band Played Waltzing Matilda'. A nice listen for working >those late nights in front of the screen. > I agree, dynomite CD. Kind of makes one wonder why the world does these things. (Besides population control, building the economy and giving the modelers of the world new subjects and diorama ideas) John Disclaimer: Any errors in spelling, tact, or fact are transmission errors. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Dec 1997 16:46:19 EST From: DavidL1217 To: wwi Subject: Re: Eduard Hannover Message-ID: <843e6d99.3489c7b3@aol.com> After trying the model shops and Rosemont, I found one of these at Hobby Web at $30 plus shipping. Their URL is www.hobbyweb.com. It appears that the distributors have these sold out and you will need to find one that has been around. Another alternative, and a very good one, is the Koster Vac. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Dec 1997 16:02:32 -0600 From: huggins@onramp.net (John Huggins) To: wwi Subject: Re: kit for sale/off topic Message-ID: >TPT PUMPER wrote: >> >> In a message dated 97-12-06 10:39:37 EST, you write: >> >> > > << What? Oh yes, I forgot you Americans have funny shaped balls... >> > > Sandy >> > > >> >> > > No, just big >> > > Robert >> > You must have Scottish blood then - its why we can only wear kilts you >> > know! >> > Sandy >> >> AYE THAT!!! >> >> IRA Campbell (1/2 Scottish) > >I've got a few Scots in the wood pile too. Warnoch, clan of Davidson. I >hear we are currently without a chief... Just a bit of a contradiction, but I can find traces of Clan Campbell, Mcgreggor and McDonald in the background on one side with Italian on the other side. No wonder I have a red beard and wear cowboy boots. Almost as bad as being Green and Orange. Disclaimer: Any errors in spelling, tact, or fact are transmission errors. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Dec 1997 16:09:21 -0600 From: huggins@onramp.net (John Huggins) To: wwi Subject: Re: What's the Secret to Stretching Sprue? Message-ID: >Kenneth > >Lots of good advice by now. >Funnily enough not all manufacturers' plastic lend themselves equally well >to heat-stretching. >Staszak in "Building and improving vacuum-formed model aircraft" says that >he has found that Hasegawa, Heller, Italeri and Monogram are easiest to >work with and give the best result. >I second that, at least as far as Heller Hasegawa and Monogram are >concerned. I don't know about Italeri. > There as a virety of Q-Tips that has the cotton mounted on hollow plastic tubes. With a little bit of practice, this material can be heat streched to produce small diameter tubing. After it cools, you can apply steady pressure by pulling the ends and get it even smaller with a tapers step like pitot tubes. It also has many other modeling uses. John Disclaimer: Any errors in spelling, tact, or fact are transmission errors. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Dec 1997 17:48:12 -0500 (EST) From: Matthew Zivich To: wwi Cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: RE: What's the Secret to Stretching Sprue? Message-ID: Why bother stretching sprue? It's easier using thin nylon thread, a really marvelous invention for the WWI model maker. You can paint it, or use it to reinforce bonding in certain circumstances, since it's extremely tough and can easily "disappear" into the surface. I also believe it can lend real support to the structure of a model. Matt Zivich On Fri, 5 Dec 1997, Michael Cornforth wrote: > > ------ =_NextPart_000_01BD0238.BF2D8EE0 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > Hi all > > I've rigged two 1/48 scale kits using stretched sprue and have managed = > to get the sprue *really* thin. > > The trick is to have long arms and stretch it vertically not = > horizontally. With long arms you can get it really thin(almost like = > hair) and but stretching vertically it ensures straight sprue-no bends = > in it. You might want to hold your breath while stretching as breathing = > creates little uneven spots in the final product. Sounds stupid I know = > but it seems to work. > > When I attach the sprue to the struts I use superglue(cynoacrelayte) and = > run a hot match head over the sprue to make it taught. > > I managed to do the SSW DIII and broke only 1 wire with the match but = > the Pfalz DIII I've broken more than actually completed. It takes a lot = > of patience(but what doesn't in this hobby :-)). > > Hope this helps > > Cheers > > Mike Cornforth > mikenori@nw.com.au > > -----Original Message----- > From: Kevin & Kimberley Barrett [SMTP:kevinkim@interlog.com] > Sent: Saturday, 6 December 1997 10:53 > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: What's the Secret to Stretching Sprue? > > To the List, > > I've got a couple of (OK, more than a few) models near completion that = > I'd > like to add a little rigging to. Nothing elaborate, just suggestive. > However, since these models are so far along, I feel that the best way = > to > rig them is with some heated stretched plastic sprue. > > However, for the life of me, I can't get the darn stuff thin enough. I'm > sure there's a trick to stretching sprue for rigging purposes - what is = > it? > > Thanks, > > Kevin Barrett. > > > > > ------ =_NextPart_000_01BD0238.BF2D8EE0 > Content-Type: application/ms-tnef > Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 > > eJ8+IjoDAQaQCAAEAAAAAAABAAEAAQeQBgAIAAAA5AQAAAAAAADoAAEIgAcAGAAAAElQTS5NaWNy > b3NvZnQgTWFpbC5Ob3RlADEIAQ2ABAACAAAAAgACAAEEkAYAsAEAAAEAAAAQAAAAAwAAMAIAAAAL > AA8OAAAAAAIB/w8BAAAASQAAAAAAAACBKx+kvqMQGZ1uAN0BD1QCAAAAAHd3aUBwZWFzZTEuc3Iu > dW5oLmVkdQBTTVRQAHd3aUBwZWFzZTEuc3IudW5oLmVkdQAAAAAeAAIwAQAAAAUAAABTTVRQAAAA > AB4AAzABAAAAFgAAAHd3aUBwZWFzZTEuc3IudW5oLmVkdQAAAAMAFQwBAAAAAwD+DwYAAAAeAAEw > AQAAABgAAAAnd3dpQHBlYXNlMS5zci51bmguZWR1JwACAQswAQAAABsAAABTTVRQOldXSUBQRUFT > RTEuU1IuVU5ILkVEVQAAAwAAOQAAAAALAEA6AQAAAB4A9l8BAAAAFgAAAHd3aUBwZWFzZTEuc3Iu > dW5oLmVkdQAAAAIB918BAAAASQAAAAAAAACBKx+kvqMQGZ1uAN0BD1QCAAAAAHd3aUBwZWFzZTEu > c3IudW5oLmVkdQBTTVRQAHd3aUBwZWFzZTEuc3IudW5oLmVkdQAAAAADAP1fAQAAAAMA/18AAAAA > AgH2DwEAAAAEAAAAAAAAAtlYAQSAAQArAAAAUkU6IFdoYXQncyB0aGUgU2VjcmV0IHRvIFN0cmV0 > Y2hpbmcgU3BydWU/ALIOAQWAAwAOAAAAzQcMAAYACwARADUABgA9AQEggAMADgAAAM0HDAAGAAsA > BgAzAAYAMAEBCYABACEAAAA3NDAxRkRBOTI5NkVEMTExQjgzRTQ0NDU1MzU0MDAwMADhBgEDkAYA > kAgAACEAAAALAAIAAQAAAAsAIwAAAAAAAwAmAAAAAAALACkAAAAAAAMALgAAAAAAAwA2AAAAAABA > ADkA4JMtivUBvQEeAHAAAQAAACsAAABSRTogV2hhdCdzIHRoZSBTZWNyZXQgdG8gU3RyZXRjaGlu > ZyBTcHJ1ZT8AAAIBcQABAAAAFgAAAAG9AfWKJan9AXZuKRHRuD5ERVNUAAAAAB4AHgwBAAAABQAA > AFNNVFAAAAAAHgAfDAEAAAATAAAAbWlrZW5vcmlAbncuY29tLmF1AAADAAYQO8DNAAMABxDJBAAA > HgAIEAEAAABlAAAASElBTExJVkVSSUdHRURUV08xLzQ4U0NBTEVLSVRTVVNJTkdTVFJFVENIRURT > UFJVRUFOREhBVkVNQU5BR0VEVE9HRVRUSEVTUFJVRSpSRUFMTFkqVEhJTlRIRVRSSUNLSVNUTwAA > AAACAQkQAQAAAGEFAABdBQAAGAgAAExaRnVvrBlMAwAKAHJjcGcxMjUGMgD4C2BuZzMwODoxAfcg > AqQD4wIAY2jBCsBzZXQwIAcTAoNDAFAQdnBycTIRdn2zCoAIyCA7CW8OMDUCgNkKgXVjAFALA2MA > QQ8CEDEwMzMLpiBIaT4gB0AJUAqxCoQKgEknSHZlIAUQZ2cJgCAAdHdvIDEvNDiOIATwB0AZMGtp > dAQgrnUAkA8gGkB0CXB0EPDdGZFzEsAKUBgAbhmgEQB7GSEDgWEZgxngGYAFQHSbG8Ab9SoJcBgR > eSod0XULgC4YSlQd8RtwDeBrfiAEAB1iHKMJABsxCsBt/wQgHGIbZSCwBUAZIAAgDeBRHrIgbm8F > QGgFsGnGegIhHrIuIFcawCKw9SF4eQhgIBpgA6AdoiLRex6UHwMoB0AEYBtgIWBpRmsZMBEAaXIp > HFNifnUFQBtlGyIjCSLRCfBzzwhwB5EbYQtwZ2go8RwS7i0jsCjACfBkBCALgCLBqSSwIFkl0W0r > Y3cAcL8dwSEBBvAZoCXBBcBiHpHdJPF3HyAagSkZYQQgLuR/GyIFAC8BB5En4AJAGoF1/G5lGSAD > oBwAI8Asgx3i9mYLgAdAIBLABHAWACzhjlMIYCxiG2B1cGkZoH5JGqAjsAfgKNIi0REwZach4R1x > GdByax9bVxvA/wOgNTAvEAGQIqEd6B1xHeP/G3Ao4AQgNTAbAB4BNOAEkOJnCkEoY3kjsADQCXC9 > C2B5MXAodBwgA6BhI+GvBUAAwCKSG8BhGaBvIwHfOIwAwCgBItEBkHUrcR9bCzUwHPlkOURTU1cg > /ERJQfAohANgKAECICOB/jEtsChQGTAD8CTxHeI85NMo0h3iUGYHQHpB1BkD/0JzA6AEYENhHeAD > kQDQNNB7I2MFoG0LUBFACYAksEmfPxIoACHxIWEFQG9mM7DzLxAIkG5jOvAo0i9QLxDzQSEHkG4n > JmEzAiDBI/CEYmIjkDotKSkfW9xIbzqQSzU7gHAQwBhZ7kMbwASQTetNJ/IIUASgewIQACBoGEQt > YEYxJAFA6G53LkehLj9AGEoK9Pkn4DM2AUAWkAFAM8ExcEM0EBIEMTYgLVTyT+sZUTNzTQeQcx0h > VPMYRg9UBFPRCxNUBmktMTTGNAFAJ+AxODABQAzQUViTYiBGA2E6DINi7RFgSzJALKEmWqAHcCxA > dnIagCOQQgrAG4EFQFvgU01UUDooAFrRGrCcbUALgDFwW4BvZ1HC/l0YRVnABmACMFonBhA00NML > IDugLCBU0EQFkDYwI1thGfA5OTcZ8DA6JjUXQF4mVG9aJ0117mwjMEfRJqFjBSBJoRrRj0lBJ+Ab > YF4YdWJqVDH3Wic3sC8QJyDRQXIFkBuB1R1iUykoUxwSP1afV6pfU1QPBgunH9Q5RExkISz9GE9n > I8E8gAWgNOAagUlB+ChPS1/wRnkzUAfQKHC9BGJsBCAyMArBR6VpAiD/RrIFQBkACzEYYifjHXE9 > YH8ZoEjhMcQZUhsiHXAksE5/I8ApczuBBuArQDFwX/Bq3xsAKPE/UBmAG2BpGSAfVfVNAHcyQXJf > 8BsRSdAd0v86QXAFCsAeARngRRAFwAdA/yGBX/A1MG+wO4BxZB3iLEB3J7EtwCcBb2yUGVEd0m3/ > ILJDk3jwB4A9MkgBG1kLUf12MWMb9Ew9dxVQYR3TJ+D/b7BJMgeAebImAUrhHaZfwP8EoTTBASAf > AyqRCGArcEgx/CdtbJQqwh3SCXBmITyAvyBkHXEpGRwEgIJzpnAIcPcyoBEwBCAtSjQgwRrAaDfz > H+QAcGtzbItatFvVH1sVjL8KE4EAjnAAAAADABAQAAAAAAMAERABAAAAAwCAEP////9AAAcwwI6E > //MBvQFAAAgwwI6E//MBvQELAACACCAGAAAAAADAAAAAAAAARgAAAAADhQAAAAAAAAMAAoAIIAYA > AAAAAMAAAAAAAABGAAAAABCFAAAAAAAAAwAFgAggBgAAAAAAwAAAAAAAAEYAAAAAUoUAALcNAAAe > ACWACCAGAAAAAADAAAAAAAAARgAAAABUhQAAAQAAAAQAAAA4LjAAAwAmgAggBgAAAAAAwAAAAAAA > AEYAAAAAAYUAAAAAAAALAC+ACCAGAAAAAADAAAAAAAAARgAAAAAOhQAAAAAAAAMAMIAIIAYAAAAA > AMAAAAAAAABGAAAAABGFAAAAAAAAAwAygAggBgAAAAAAwAAAAAAAAEYAAAAAGIUAAAAAAAAeAEGA > CCAGAAAAAADAAAAAAAAARgAAAAA2hQAAAQAAAAEAAAAAAAAAHgBCgAggBgAAAAAAwAAAAAAAAEYA > AAAAN4UAAAEAAAABAAAAAAAAAB4AQ4AIIAYAAAAAAMAAAAAAAABGAAAAADiFAAABAAAAAQAAAAAA > AAAeAD0AAQAAAAUAAABSRTogAAAAAAMADTT9NwAAXz0= > > ------ =_NextPart_000_01BD0238.BF2D8EE0-- > > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Dec 1997 14:56:08 -0800 From: Bob Pearson To: WW1 Mailing list Subject: Re: Balsa plans Message-ID: <22560839859038@KAIEN.COM> David, That would be great, did you see the list of those that I have, or do you need a copy of it. Can I email you any profiles in return? Regards, Bob ---------- > From: DavidL1217 > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Re: Balsa plans > Date: Sat, 6 Dec 1997 08:43:19 -0500 > > Bob, > > I can get you copies of any of the 8 of these I have. I will need to find a > copy shop that does large sheets. > > David ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 06 Dec 1997 19:05:38 -0500 From: John & Allison Cyganowski To: wwi Subject: Re: Eduard Hannover Message-ID: <3489E852.3AAE@worldnet.att.net> DavidL1217 wrote: > > It appears that the distributors have these sold out and you will need to find > one that has been around. > During the sale at Rosemont, Barry mentioned that these were very popular items. I will probably regret not buying one. I got the Albatros C.III instead. John ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Dec 1997 00:13:12 +0100 From: Pedro Nuno Soares To: "'ww1 modeling list'" Subject: Re: kit for sale Message-ID: <01BD02AA.ECF95120@fei1-p7.telepac.pt> In a message dated 97-12-06 10:39:37 EST, you write: > > << What? Oh yes, I forgot you Americans have funny shaped balls... > > Sandy > > >> > > No, just big > > Robert > You must have Scottish blood then - its why we can only wear kilts you > know! > Sandy AYE THAT!!! IRA Campbell (1/2 Scottish) Uh,,,,,, 1/2 a ball then? Um abraco Pedro (Who's happy with what he's got) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Dec 1997 00:54:47 +0100 From: Pedro Nuno Soares To: "'ww1 modeling list'" Subject: Vac book Message-ID: <01BD02AA.F3186500@fei1-p7.telepac.pt> Tom wrote: Staszak in "Building and improving vacuum-formed model aircraft" says that he has found that Hasegawa, Heller, Italeri and Monogram are easiest to work with and give the best result. Hi Tom from the above it seems you've already got my parcel. Once again sorry for the quality of the photocopies. Um abraco Pedro ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Dec 1997 20:21:26 EST From: BStett3770 To: wwi Subject: Re: Formaplane (was Re: Sierra poll.) Message-ID: <4302c692.3489fa18@aol.com> Hi David Were thinking about it. Have a few other pans in the fire right now. But mybe in 1998. Keep Modeling Barry Rosemont Hobby ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Dec 1997 17:54:53 -0800 From: Bob Pearson To: WW1 Mailing list Subject: Re: kit for sale Message-ID: <01545362059262@KAIEN.COM> Previous episodes contained the following snippets . . . >> > > << What? Oh yes, I forgot you Americans have funny shaped balls... >> > > Sandy >> > > >> >> > > No, just big >> > > Robert >> > You must have Scottish blood then - its why we can only wear kilts you >> > know! ----------------- Okay, to get us back on topic (well somewhat) there is the following in Lyn MacDonald's book 'SOMME'. . . . "General Haig was more concerned with moral tone than with avenging thunderclaps. No battalion would have ventured to have march to a ribald song within miles of his headquarters. No colonel within a considerable radius of any spot where there was a likelihood of meeting a staff officer would have allowed his battalion to march, even in the heat of an August day, with tunics undone and shirt buttons loosened and still less would he have relieved his own sweltering discomfort by replacing his stiff army hat with a khaki handkerchief knotted at each corner in the style of day-tripper to the beach at Southend. It was unfortunate for one particular battalion marching towards the Somme that it happened to present precisely this appearance as it passed through a village where a senior ordinance officer had his headquarters. It was unfortunate the the Commander-in-Chief, concerned about supplies of ammunition for the coming Push, should have been visiting the Ordinance HQ in person - unfortunate too that the battalion should have been in full vocal flood and rendering a particular chorus compared to which the bawdiest version of mademoiselle from Armentieres might have been considered a suitablke serenade for a maiden aunt. Do your balls hang low? Do they dangle to and fro? Can you tie them in a knot? Can you tie them in a bow? They had just reached the fourth line before the full sense of the words got through to the Commander -in-Chief. It got worse, as he listened: Do they itch when its hot? Do you rest them in a pot? He crossed to the window and stared in disbelief as the unwitting battalion shambled past. "Just as I thought," he said. "It's the rear companies! Fetch my horse!" The battalion straggled, easy marching, over almost a mile oif road. By the time Sir Douglas Haig had mouynted and started to trot up the long comun, they had started all over again, this time in harmony, for the beauty of their favourite tune was that it could be sung in parts. Do you get them in a tangle? Do you catch them in the mangle? Do they swing in stormy weather? Do they tickle with a feather? One by one as the marhing platoons spotted the unmistakable upright figure odf their Commander-in-Chief trotting purposefully past to reach the head of the battalion, their voices trailed away into embarrassed silence. But the men at the head of the column were still lustily singing. Do they rattle when you walk? Do they jingle when you talk? The colonel had a fine voice. Riding in front of his Battalion, he was singing louder than any of his men - dso loudly that he either failes to notice the falling-off of the merry chorus behind him or, putting it down to fatigue, sang louder than ever to encourage his men across the last lap of the hour's march. Just as General Haig caught up with him, he had flung back his handkerchiefed head and was bawling in a rousing, oblivious crescendo: Can you sling them on your shoulder Like a lousy fucking soldier? DO YOUR BALLS HANG LOW? Haig had to shout to make himself heard. "I must congratulate you on your voice, Colonel!" The unfortunate Colonel could only stare back open-mouthed, fumble at his unbuttoned tunic, call the battalion to march to attention and, as an afterthought, snatch the handkerchief from his head. "No, no!" Haig raised his hand. "The men may march easy." With the last of his voice the Colonel croaked the command. Haig on his great black charger, a full hand higher than the Colonel's horse, trotted beside him and bent down for a private words in the Colonel's ear, but his orderly, riding just behind, heard - and later reported - every word. "I like the tune," he said, "but you must know that in any circumstances those words are inexcusable!" The discomfitted Colonel, having now replaced his hat, managed to salute but before he could stammer an apology Haig was gone, with a final nod of rebuke, trotting back past the chastened Battalion to resume his interrupted business. It was a full five minutes before anyone broke the silence. Then a wag halfway down the column dared to introduce another song. It was a song beloved by their virtuous Victorian grandmothers and he sung in notes of pure innocence: "After the ball was over . . . . " Regards, Bob Pearson ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 795 *********************