WWI Digest 790 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Wind In The Wires by "Charles/Linda Duckworth " 2) Re: Sierra poll. by "Charles/Linda Duckworth " 3) Snoopy (was Firsts) by Redwilde@bdsbbs.com (Redwilde) 4) Re: Wind In The Wires by Riordan and Michelle Goodwin 5) Re: Book Found by Kr0i2@aol.com 6) Re: Themes being followed /firsts by TPTPUMPER@aol.com 7) Re: Amazon.com Troubles by TPTPUMPER@aol.com 8) RE: Hasagawa DVII by Hirohisa Ozaki 9) Re: First models by "William B. Bacon, Jr." 10) Re: Sierra poll. by smodels@ne.infi.net 11) Re: Wind In The Wires by Bob Pearson 12) Re: Sierra poll. by lothar@televar.com (mark) 13) Re: Sierra poll. by lothar@televar.com (mark) 14) Re: Sierra poll. by Hirohisa Ozaki 15) RE: Sierra poll. by Shane Weier 16) Sierra Poll by "Sandy Adam" 17) Re: Sierra poll. by mbittner@juno.com 18) Re: more Sierra news. by TPTPUMPER@aol.com 19) Re: Missing pages Air International by "Tom Werner Hansen" 20) Re: Sierra poll. by fedders 21) Re: Sierra Poll by Joey Valenciano 22) Re: Sierra poll. by Joey Valenciano 23) Re: Sierra poll. by Joey Valenciano 24) Sierra poll. by Brian Nicklas 25) Re: Sierra Poll by Jesse Thorn 26) RE: Guillow 2-seaters by "Denest, Michael J" 27) Re: looking for Vickers 6t's ref. by GRBroman@aol.com 28) Re: Sierra poll. by REATON@ccmail.dsccc.com 29) Re: Sierra poll. by Riordan and Michelle Goodwin 30) Wind in the Wires by Redwilde@bdsbbs.com (Redwilde) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 19:07:29 -0800 From: "Charles/Linda Duckworth " To: Subject: Re: Wind In The Wires Message-ID: <199712030113.TAA14410@mail.primary.net> Sounds like another topics to put on the WWW site 'Recommended Reading' as Patrick Padovan has started. I've just finished "In the Teeth of the Wind" covering RNAS two-seater pilot flying 100 sorties. From Nieuports 12's, to Sopwith 1 1/2 strutters to DH-4's. I'd also include this book. > Great Book! I think that, "No Parachute," and "Sagitarius Rising" are my > favorite WWI books of all time. All autobiographies by guys who were > there, telling their own stories, and all three are gifted writers who can > really describe what it was like to be there. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 19:10:14 -0800 From: "Charles/Linda Duckworth " To: Subject: Re: Sierra poll. Message-ID: <199712030113.TAA14428@mail.primary.net> Believe it's a great idea - we all know some aircraft will never see the injected molded 'light of day'. ------------------------------ Date: 2 Dec 1997 20:21:04 EDT From: Redwilde@bdsbbs.com (Redwilde) To: wwi Subject: Snoopy (was Firsts) Message-ID: <88111211450195@bdsbbs.com> I can definitely trace my interest in WWI planes back to Snoopy. And late one night I carved up a 1/285 master figure complete with helmet, goggels and scarf. I've done a limited casting of it and have labeled the package "Famous WWI Flying Ace". I only give the figure away, as tournament prizes and thank you gifts for people that run H.A. games at conventions. Its developed into a highly coveted figure! In game terms, the little doghouse counts as a Sopwith Camel but with twin flex guns to the front instead of fixed forward and has an ace pilot (but with only 5 kills, not nearly as good as the Red Baron :) Brian RW ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 Dec 1997 18:14:01 -0800 From: Riordan and Michelle Goodwin To: wwi Subject: Re: Wind In The Wires Message-ID: <3484C069.18B8@ricochet.net> Patrick Padovan wrote: > > Great Book! I think that, "No Parachute," and "Sagitarius Rising" are my > favorite WWI books of all time. All autobiographies by guys who were > there, telling their own stories, and all three are gifted writers who can > really describe what it was like to be there. > Ciao! Patrick Patrick, you have exceptional taste in autobiographies. I checked "Wires" out from the library but ended up not getting around to reading it. I guess I'll have to give it another go. These books are inspirational and highly recommended by the list librarian. As a result of reading "No Parachute", I'll probably build my Pup as Lee's. Cheers, -- --------------------------------------- This e-mail has been brought to you by - Riordan and Michelle Goodwin - ***************************** Great Holiday Gift Ideas at Jewels of the Silk Road http://www.silkroadjewels.com ***************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 21:27:07 -0500 (EST) From: Kr0i2@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Book Found Message-ID: <971202212706_983783413@mrin38> Hi Graham, If you or one of your friends hasn't already decided to pickup this book, I would be interested. I'm a new member on the list but I've been modeling for a lot of years :>) Build everything from plastic to fairly large R/C. Mac, Kansas City, MO ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 22:44:52 -0500 (EST) From: TPTPUMPER@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Themes being followed /firsts Message-ID: <971202224452_-462398567@mrin58.mail.aol.com> Hi Guys! > << (Who said you had > > to grow up?) > > Apart from my good wife, who indeed!? 80) > My wife gave up on that notion long ago. Now she actually encourages me to carry on as I do. Have Fun!! IRA nonconformist ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 23:37:20 -0500 (EST) From: TPTPUMPER@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Amazon.com Troubles Message-ID: <971202233720_1072376095@mrin46.mail.aol.com> In a message dated 97-12-02 14:38:30 EST, you write: > The take home message is, support your local > INDEPENDENT book store. Don't let corporate giants dictate what books you > can and can't buy. > > My US$ 0.02 worth. > > Charles > > hartc@spot.colorado.edu Aye, that!! IRA ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Dec 1997 13:39:34 +0900 From: Hirohisa Ozaki To: wwi Subject: RE: Hasagawa DVII Message-ID: <199712030440.NAA02223@zoo.miln.mei.co.jp> Jack, Hasegawa reissued D.VII both Monogram and DML. 5905X : DML, Goering, photo of complete model package. HM??(sorry, forgot number) : Monogram, Berthold etc, drawing package(Berthold). HTH. Hiro. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 Dec 1997 23:33:12 -0600 From: "William B. Bacon, Jr." To: wwi Subject: Re: First models Message-ID: <3484EF18.6AB9@netjava.net> Mike, Yes it is the Hit Kit and, as I stumble along, I will keep the list posted as to stupid moves, dumb luck and all else that goes on. Check Chandelle, last issue. Has a great selection of Polish A/C done by our own Bob Johnson. Snail address: William B. Bacon, Jr. 911 Sixth Avenue Canyon, TX 79015-3633 I suspect that you have let "Riverdance" knock you into another world as it did me. Thanks for the offer. Hope you and yours gorged yourselves on turkey and all the goodies. Cheers, Bill Mary-Ann/Michael wrote: > > At 10:40 AM 12/2/97 -0500, William B. Bacon, Jr. wrote: > > Am about to restart > >with fear and trepidition. Will start with Ansaldo A.1 Balilla in > >Polish Marking (Riordan: this should elicit a smile or two from you). > >Will post stumbling attemt as it goes along. > > > >See, you "Old Geezers" aren't really that old. > Bill > What kit are you using...Hit-Kit?? I have one and plan on building > in in my attempt to show Polish aircraft...once I get the SE5a/Hurricane > thing done(i.e. 1999). While I'm thinking of it, I have a nice Celtic CD you > might enjoy. If you re-send you mailing address, I'll try and get a copy out > nefore Christmas. > Mike Muth ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 01:07:17 -0500 (EST) From: smodels@ne.infi.net Subject: Re: Sierra poll. Message-ID: <199712030607.BAA28540@fh101.infi.net> >If Bob is making WW1 planes again, would it not be a good idea if we polled >the most sought-after kit in both 1/48 and 1/72 for vacform and see how >many firm orders we would place if he made them. This would guarantee him >sales up-front and guarantee us kits we might otherwise never see. This is a good idea. What I've been doing lately is throwing a bunch of ideas against the wall and seeing which ones ordered. Then I make those aircraft, which with WWI kits don't take long again (I'm not going to do another three month Barracuda!) >I seem to remember the Halberstadt D.II came tops in 1/48 and I for one >would tell Bob to ship me one as soon as he could make one. This is a good subject. I've also been working on a 200hp Benz engine which powered countless two-seaters from the LVG C.VI to many of the Albatros, AEG and Fried aircraft including the FF.49C and G>II. > >We have several times hot-aired about what we would like to buy - this >might be a chance to "commission" our bespoke requiremenst - what do you >all think? > >I'll offer to collate the results and pass to Bob if you wish. I've resubscribed to the list, thanks Sandy. Thanks, Bob Sierra ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 22:08:26 -0800 From: Bob Pearson To: WW1 Mailing list Subject: Re: Wind In The Wires Message-ID: <06082609649756@KAIEN.COM> In the Teeth of the Wind was originally titled 'Bomber Pilot 1916-1918', another RNAS read is 'Fighter Pilot on the Western Front' by E D Crundall. Crundall joined 8(N) just as they converted to the Triplane and he gives interesting descriptions of these and the various pilots of Naval Eight (R A Little falling out of a window after a party if I recall correctly). Crundall later went to 210 Sqn. Some other RFC/RNAS/RAF autobiographies are "Flying Fury (Five Years in the RFC)" by McCudden, Into the Blue (Norman MacMillan), The Spider Web (T D Hallam), Flying Minnows (Vivian Voss), The Fledgling (Whitehouse - no matter what you think about his later writings - this is HIS story). German accounts include Ace of the Iron Cross (Udet), Wings of War (Stark), Last Knight of Germany (Degelow). American ones: Up and At Em' (Harney - Canadian really), Fighting Airmen - The Way of the Eagle (Biddle). All of the above are recommended reading for a first hand account of WW1 in the air. Regards, Bob Pearson ---------- > From: "Charles/Linda Duckworth " > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Re: Wind In The Wires > Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 20:17:46 -0500 > > Sounds like another topics to put on the WWW site 'Recommended Reading' as > Patrick > Padovan has started. I've just finished "In the Teeth of the Wind" > covering RNAS two-seater > pilot flying 100 sorties. From Nieuports 12's, to Sopwith 1 1/2 strutters > to DH-4's. I'd also > include this book. > > Great Book! I think that, "No Parachute," and "Sagitarius Rising" are my > > favorite WWI books of all time. All autobiographies by guys who were > > there, telling their own stories, and all three are gifted writers who > can > > really describe what it was like to be there. > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 22:34:19 -0800 (PST) From: lothar@televar.com (mark) To: wwi Subject: Re: Sierra poll. Message-ID: <199712030634.WAA08209@concord.televar.com> >If Bob is making WW1 planes again, would it not be a good idea if we polled >the most sought-after kit in both 1/48 and 1/72 for vacform and see how >many firm orders we would place if he made them. This would guarantee him >sales uo-front and guarantee us kits we might otherwise never see. > >I seem to remember the Halberstadt D.II came tops in 1/48 and I for one >would tell Bob to ship me one as soon as he could make one. [snippage] >We have several times hot-aired about what we would like to buy - this >might be a chance to "commission" our bespoke requiremenst - what do you >all think? I'm all for it. If Bob would make a Halb. DII or DV, I'd probably buy at least two or three. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 22:41:43 -0800 (PST) From: lothar@televar.com (mark) To: wwi Subject: Re: Sierra poll. Message-ID: <199712030641.WAA09962@concord.televar.com> Bob replies re: the Halb. DII - >>I seem to remember the Halberstadt D.II came tops in 1/48 and I for one >>would tell Bob to ship me one as soon as he could make one. > >This is a good subject. I've also been working on a 200hp Benz engine >which powered countless two-seaters from the LVG C.VI to many of the >Albatros, AEG and Fried aircraft including the FF.49C and G>II. Bob, come out with a Halb. DII and/or DV and you'll have a best seller, according to the last poll on this list. I'd buy at least three right off the bat and (probably) several more down the road! Mark ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Dec 1997 16:24:42 +0900 From: Hirohisa Ozaki To: wwi Subject: Re: Sierra poll. Message-ID: <199712030725.QAA03123@zoo.miln.mei.co.jp> Bob, Welcome back to the list! I am very very glad to see you(your mail?) again. I am agree with Sandy, both the polling idea and the subject Halb. D.II. Mark wrote: >I'm all for it. If Bob would make a Halb. DII or DV, I'd probably buy at >least two or three. Me too, ofcourse! Cheers! Hiro. p.s. Bob, please let me know Barracuda's price with postage cost by e-mail direct to me. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 17:52:00 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: wwi Subject: RE: Sierra poll. Message-ID: <199712030902.TAA25735@mimmon.mim.com.au> Hi'ya all, Sandy prognosticates : >If Bob is making WW1 planes again, would it not be a good idea if we polled >the most sought-after kit in both 1/48 and 1/72 for vacform and see how >many firm orders we would place if he made them. and >We have several times hot-aired about what we would like to buy - this >might be a chance to "commission" our bespoke requiremenst - what do you >all think? I think that the term "hot-aired" is a good one, and since Bob is now back (and very welcome too) I hope he's thinking a little along that line when he reads our survey results. I would caution him against taking much notice of the previous surveys because there was no element of "will you buy" in it, just "what you most want". Bitter experience tells me that wanting, and affording, are very different animals, and in practice wanting a Camel (I do) comes well behind affording yet another D.V If this survey is to be of any use to Bob, it is to be indicative of what interests people - and while you may (at the time of responding) feel confident that you will buy one from him, he's still going to have to decide whether we're really representative of his market given that the few kits he'll sell to list members will surely not place him on easy street For which reason, although I have my "wants" I won't bother him knowing full well that I can't guarantee to buy one. Shane ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 11:38:50 -0000 From: "Sandy Adam" To: "AAA - WW1 Group" Subject: Sierra Poll Message-ID: <199712031041.KAA18130@beryl.sol.co.uk> Well, now that Bob is "plugged in" again, it makes the idea of a poll much easier. I think Shane's point about wanting/buying is apposite and suggest that we think of three or four subjects/scales that we would definitely buy in vacform assuming prices similar to existing range. I don't know if the WWI list is representative of the wider buying public or not - maybe we are all poor computer hacks who talk about kits but nobody buys much - or maybe we are super-affluent moguls who buy everything going - either way may be misleading - but surely some market research is better than seat-of-the-pants. I think Bob's new Gotha will be a cracking kit and I may succumb if I see one at a show and find funds still in my wallet - but since I have 1 built Aurora and 6 unbuilt still in K&B boxes, I will probably not have one for some time - (although I know it will be a far superior rendition). Others without old Aurora hoards will probably leap at it. The Rumpler and LVG C-types, on the other hand, I will GRAB as soon as he has them ready (and hopefully can accept cc orders). I don't think any here will object if Bob sends us mail on new releases. Anyway enough preamble, kits I would certainly buy 1/48 vac, assuming they are not made elsewhere first would be: AW FK8 Halb D.II Junkers Cl.I I would probably buy a 1/48 Fdh G.III, DH9 and Salmson 2A.2. I expect to be able to buy a good SE5/5a and Halb Cl.II (Blue Max), DH4 (Glencoe), Brisfit and BE2/12 (Aeroclub), Alb D.III, HD-1 and Nie17 (Eduard) - otherwise these would also appear above. HTH Sandy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 04:41:58 -0600 From: mbittner@juno.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Sierra poll. Message-ID: <19971203.050124.12974.0.mbittner@juno.com> On Wed, 3 Dec 1997 01:38:05 -0500 lothar@televar.com (mark) writes: >I'm all for it. If Bob would make a Halb. DII or DV, I'd probably buy >at least two or three. Even in 1/72nd scale!!!!!!!! Matt Bittner np: Kate Price, _Deep Heart's Core_ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 07:37:16 -0500 (EST) From: TPTPUMPER@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: more Sierra news. Message-ID: <971203073715_-938866005@mrin38> In a message dated 97-12-03 00:05:07 EST, Joey wrote: > This is good news for us on topic guys but the pressures of keeping such a > business afloat is evident. I wish Bob all the best. May he continue to > produce quality kits. > Aye, that! And he will, with OUR SUPPORT. Have Fun!! IRA ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 14:07:53 +0100 From: "Tom Werner Hansen" To: Subject: Re: Missing pages Air International Message-ID: <199712031258.NAA15068@d1o211.telia.com> Bill, Thanks a lot for the offer, but I fear the task may be worse than you first thought. After I dug out the magazines from what had been their safe hiding place for years, the April issue which contained Part I, has completely disappeared. I fear for ever. There was a spate of serious tidying-up going on at the time, and I fear i was thrown out. However, if you also have Part I and could copy that for me in addition to the four pages missing from Part II, I'd be pretty happy. It might also make my daughters, who were immediately charged with the disappearance, feel better. I'll also be able to send copies to Steve Borland, who needs copies of the articles for his Snipe project. Tom Tom Werner Hansen Skippergaten 5 N-1630 GAMLE FREDRIKSTAD Norway ---------- > From: William B. Bacon, Jr. > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Re: Missing pages Air International > Date: 02. desember 1997 16:37 > > Tom Werner Hansen wrote: > > Tom, > > All I need is your snail address and xerox copies will be on the way. > Glad I can help. > > Cheers, > > Bill B. > > > > > > > Greetings all. > > > > Going through my stack of old magazines I stumbled on two articles of > > J.M.Bruce on the Sopwith Snipe in Air Enthusiast International Vol.6 Nrs. 4 > > and 6. > > When I had read the first instalment and was ready to start the second I > > found to my dismay that there were pages missing from the magazine. Pages > > 289 to 292 just weren't there, only four pages of advertising. > > Does anybody have this magazine (Air Enthusiast International Vol 6 nr.6 > > (June 1974), so that I could get hold of the missing pages. > > > > Tom ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 08:24:46 -0600 (CST) From: fedders To: wwi Cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Sierra poll. Message-ID: On Tue, 2 Dec 1997, Sandy Adam wrote: > > > This is good news for us on topic guys but the pressures of keeping such > a > > business afloat is evident. I wish Bob all the best. May he continue to > > produce quality kits. > > Amen > > Conversations with Mike Eacock showed that sometimes the cottage > manufacturers will sell as few as 80 kits of a poorly chosen > (marketing-wise) subject. (Lloyd C.V 1/72) > > If Bob is making WW1 planes again, would it not be a good idea if we polled > the most sought-after kit in both 1/48 and 1/72 for vacform and see how > many firm orders we would place if he made them. This would guarantee him > sales uo-front and guarantee us kits we might otherwise never see. > > I seem to remember the Halberstadt D.II came tops in 1/48 and I for one > would tell Bob to ship me one as soon as he could make one. > > Is it worth either a) seeing how many others would Definitely buy a 1/48 > Halb D.II? > b) having another poll along the lines of "I want x and I will buy y number > if kits of it"? > c) if somebody still has it - passing the previous "most wanted" results to I would certainly buy 1 (probably 2) Halberstadt DII'2 in 1/48 (none in 1/72) I would love to see andy of the Caproni bombers peter > Bob. > > We have several times hot-aired about what we would like to buy - this > might be a chance to "commission" our bespoke requiremenst - what do you > all think? > > I'll offer to collate the results and pass to Bob if you wish. > > Sandy > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 22:37:30 +0800 From: Joey Valenciano To: wwi Subject: Re: Sierra Poll Message-ID: <199712031437.WAA03948@fiesta.philonline.com.ph> Hey Bob, >Junkers Cl.I Can corrugations be simulated via vacforming? ********************************************************************* Joey Valenciano WW1 modeller, teacher, jazz musician, joeyval@pusit.admu.edu.ph sitarist tel. (632) 921-26-75 Metro-Manila, Philippines "The more you know, the more you don't know." ********************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 22:37:32 +0800 From: Joey Valenciano To: wwi Subject: Re: Sierra poll. Message-ID: <199712031437.WAA03954@fiesta.philonline.com.ph> Hi Bob, Nice to see you back on the list. I hope you will make your presence felt both as a kit manufacturer and as a fine modeller. I posted a short message of yours that John Roll sent me regarding your need to finish a product in a month. More power to Sierra and may the list be of help to you as you continue to produce quality stuff. >This is a good idea. What I've been doing lately is throwing a bunch of >ideas against the wall and seeing which ones ordered. Who make up your survey? Modeler friends? >Then I make those >aircraft, which with WWI kits don't take long again (I'm not going to do >another three month Barracuda!) Ugh. With your deadline of a month, this would mean that the Barracuda costs 3 times more than it should. In turn, 3 times as many kits must be sold compared to your other items. Here are some requests which I hope other guys on the list will second: 1) Could you sell your injected plastic parts separately as well? It would be nice to use your props, radiators, etc. on other projects (especially scratchbuilds) 2) Could you sell some wheels (pairs in different diameters would be good) too? I've heard one or two on the list moan about having to make up vac wheels, but they're actually very easy to do. Why make vac wheels? They can be used together with P-etched spokes! You need wheel halves to sandwich the spokes in, and vac wheels come in halves! >>I seem to remember the Halberstadt D.II came tops in 1/48 and I for one >>would tell Bob to ship me one as soon as he could make one. I'd have the Halb.D.II too. The Albatros J.I & II would be nice too! ********************************************************************* Joey Valenciano WW1 modeller, teacher, jazz musician, joeyval@pusit.admu.edu.ph sitarist tel. (632) 921-26-75 Metro-Manila, Philippines "The more you know, the more you don't know." ********************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 22:43:29 +0800 From: Joey Valenciano To: wwi Subject: Re: Sierra poll. Message-ID: <199712031443.WAA04878@fiesta.philonline.com.ph> >I would love to see any of the Caproni bombers YES! A good one to kit, I think. Easy shapes to make masters for. I'd certainly get one. ********************************************************************* Joey Valenciano WW1 modeller, teacher, jazz musician, joeyval@pusit.admu.edu.ph sitarist tel. (632) 921-26-75 Metro-Manila, Philippines "The more you know, the more you don't know." ********************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Dec 97 09:37:17 EST From: Brian Nicklas To: Subject: Sierra poll. Message-ID: <199712031440.JAA00596@pease1.sr.unh.edu> I'd like to see a 1/72 Taube, even though it's been done before, I've never seen one. And while working on the Sierra AEG G.IV, I realize Bob doing a vacuform Taube wing would look pretty good. Brian ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 09:44:14 -0400 From: Jesse Thorn To: wwi Subject: Re: Sierra Poll Message-ID: >Can corrugations be simulated via vacforming? Yes, check out the Lone Star Junkers J.I kit. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 09:55:39 -0500 From: "Denest, Michael J" To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Guillow 2-seaters Message-ID: <21A9C368581DD011986600805FEABAD4014A3C79@xch-phl-01.he.boeing.com> David, I have a long lost friend who I recently found on the FF mailing list. He said that John Pond had those plans available. I'n going to check that out and will advise. For Guillow 18" stuff I have the Nieuport 28, Fok. DVII, DVIII and Bristol Bullet. The Ni. 28 I built way back when had the styrene cowl. I still had to add nose weight for a proper glide. I used to go up in the hay loft of the barn and toss it out the door. Wacked the fence a couple of times but it was neat to watch. Interested in a plan copy swap? Let me know off the list. Mike > ---------- > From: DavidL1217@aol.com[SMTP:DavidL1217@aol.com] > Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 1997 7:28 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Re: Guillow 2-seaters > > I have 9 of the 13 "small Guillow" models: SPAD, Nieuport 28, Camel, > SE5a, > Hablerstadt ClI, Pfalz DIII, Albatros DV, Fokker DVII, & Fokker > 'DVIII' I > would still love to get my greedy mits on the Nieport 27, Snipe, > Bristol > 'Bullet' (sic) (Actually a Scout) and the Snipe. I also have a built > and > smashed Rumpler, Actually a wreckage with a CO2 motor and an unbuilt > DH4. > > Despite their inaccuracies,these were charming kits. It's a shame we > are not > likely to see these again. An interesting note, the early 60's issues > had > vacuform cowlings buyt the late 60's / 70's renditions had styrene > cowls that > made the planes nose heavy. > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 10:08:21 -0500 (EST) From: GRBroman@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: looking for Vickers 6t's ref. Message-ID: <971203100816_222858903@mrin41.mail.aol.com> In a message dated 97-11-30 23:07:14 EST, you write: << Now I'm looking for "BIBLE" of Vickers 6t series, All or almost variant refers included. Ofcourse it's used for modeling refers. >> Hiro, unfortunately, there is no book that I have seen that is still in print that covers the Vickers and it's derivatives in complete detail. If I can dig up a decent reference, I'll let you know. Glen ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 09:36:38 -0600 From: REATON@ccmail.dsccc.com To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Sierra poll. Message-ID: <0017718A.3370@ccmail.dsccc.com> --IMA.Boundary.425561188 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part I'd like to see a 1/72 Taube, even though it's been done before, I've never seen one. And while working on the Sierra AEG G.IV, I realize Bob doing a vacuform Taube wing would look pretty good. Brian --IMA.Boundary.425561188 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; name="RFC822 message headers" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Content-Disposition: inline; filename="RFC822 message headers" More on the 1/72 input. I second Brian's Taube and would love to see a good BE2c in 1/72. Love those Sierra wings. Richard ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Sierra poll. Author: Brian Nicklas at smtplink Date: 12/3/97 9:42 AM I'd like to see a 1/72 Taube, even though it's been done before, I've never seen one. And while working on the Sierra AEG G.IV, I realize Bob doing a vacuform Taube wing would look pretty good. Brian --IMA.Boundary.425561188-- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Dec 1997 08:44:42 -0800 From: Riordan and Michelle Goodwin To: wwi Subject: Re: Sierra poll. Message-ID: <34858C7A.5BC6@ricochet.net> Bob, Glad to hear you're not getting out of the WWI model business just yet. Count me in for a firm order for a Halb. D.II and a 200hp Benz. I would be interested in other fiddely bits too, especially 1/48 (and to a lesser extent 1/72) bombs, both Allied and Central Powers. I know RPM puts out a set of PuWs in 1/72. Paragon makes good Spandaus, but how about injection or resin 1/72 Vickers? Just about all of the old Airfix, Revell and Esci kits need armament upgrades (at the very least). Cheers, -- --------------------------------------- This e-mail has been brought to you by - Riordan and Michelle Goodwin - ***************************** Great Holiday Gift Ideas at Jewels of the Silk Road http://www.silkroadjewels.com ***************************** ------------------------------ Date: 3 Dec 1997 12:51:04 EDT From: Redwilde@bdsbbs.com (Redwilde) To: wwi Subject: Wind in the Wires Message-ID: <8811715006504@bdsbbs.com> I've thoroughly read and reread many biographies. They're a great source for anecdotal information on the performance of planes, organisational details of small air services, and scenarios. In addition to the books that Bob listed, I've gotten a lot of use out of: Winged Warfare : Billy Bishop This is the only source where I've found info on the dive rate of planes. Bishop gives an estimated speed for an all out dive away from combat. Flying In Flanders : Willy Coppens This is a good read and I've poured through the book many a time culling out details of the Belgian Air Service. Gatchina Days : Alexander Riaboff A rare first hand accoung of flying for Imperial and White Russia. Ace Of Aces : Rene Fonck French perspectives are hard to come by too. Wings Over The Somme 1916-1918 : Gwilym Lewis A pilot with 40 Squadron RFC. These are among ones I've found particularly useful. I keep haunting my favorite used book store in Harvard Square and a couple of good books surface each year. A bit different from biographies, I've found the following overviews to be really good reads too: The Official History Of The Royal Canadian Air Force Volume I; Canadian Airmen And The First World War : Sydney Wise I mentioned this book before. Canadian pilots made up about 30% of the RFC/RAF and this book covers every front where the RFC/RAF was stationed, its an incredible overview. Hostile Skies; A Combat History Of The American Air Service In World War I What it says, a good view of all American flying operations. Flight Of Eagles : Robert Karolevitz & Ross Fenn A history of the Kosciusko Squadron of American volunteers in Poland for the Russo-Polish War. A good history and good painting information. Soon I'll be painting up the 12 planes of the squadron -- one flight of 6 Albatros (Oef) and one of 6 Ansaldo A.1. The First Air Campaign; August 1914-November 1918 : Eric & Jane Lawson This is a good starting overview for folks that haven't done a ton of research (yet). I didn't find any new information in the book for me, but thought it was very well presented. Brian RW ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 790 *********************