WWI Digest 788 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Firsts by Mick Fauchon 2) Re: Amazon.com Troubles by Kenneth Hagerup 3) Re: Hobbycraft 1/32 Nie. 17 by mbittner@juno.com 4) Re: Off Topic HE 219 info (not trying to start a new thread) by "Paul R. Howard" 5) Re: Hobbycraft 1/32 Nie. 17 by Joey Valenciano 6) Latest Aeroplane monthly by Hirohisa Ozaki 7) Re: Hobbycraft 1/32 Nie. 17 by mbittner@juno.com 8) Re: Question on Naval 8 Pup's by "Charles/Linda Duckworth " 9) RE: Hobbycraft 1/32 Nie. 17 by Mick Fauchon 10) Re: RFC and Martinsyde Info wanted by KarrArt@aol.com 11) Re: RFC and Martinsyde Info wanted by Bob Pearson 12) Re: Hobbycraft 1/32 Nie. 17 by Joey Valenciano 13) Re: Latest Aeroplane monthly by KarrArt@aol.com 14) firsts by KarrArt@aol.com 15) firsts by KarrArt@aol.com 16) Re: firsts by bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) 17) RE: Firsts by "Denest, Michael J" 18) RE: firsts by "Denest, Michael J" 19) RE: First's-Guillows by "Denest, Michael J" 20) Re: firsts by "Paul R. Howard" 21) RE: Oops by "Denest, Michael J" 22) RE: Themes being followed /firsts by "Denest, Michael J" 23) Re: Hobbycraft 1/32 Nie. 17 by "Paul Schwartzkopf" 24) Re: Belated catch up by "William B. Bacon, Jr." ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 12:12:20 +1100 (EST) From: Mick Fauchon To: wwi Cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Firsts Message-ID: Robert, > cement for styrene, you could use carbon tetrachloride......egad Well might you say Egad!, sir. I used to use the stuff to make "soup" for figure conversions [Airfix, Historex], and smoking around it didn't even bother me, until it slowly dawned on me [good old WW1 theme]: carbon tet. + heat source = [you got it!] Phosgene! Funny, but I never used the stuff after that. Cheers, and lucky to be still here, Mick. -- -- Mick Fauchon | Internet: ulmjf@dewey.newcastle.edu.au Reference Section, Auchmuty Library | Ph (intl+61+49) 215861 University of Newcastle, AUSTRALIA | Fax (intl+61+49) 215833 MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM M M M Tasmanian Devil: "#@%!&^*%%...!#@!&**%^@@#$#-+*+*&##@...!!" M M M M Yosemite Sam : "Cut out that Army talk!..Yer in the Navy now!" M M M MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 Dec 1997 20:04:38 -0600 From: Kenneth Hagerup To: wwi Subject: Re: Amazon.com Troubles Message-ID: <34836CB6.B61@prodigy.net> John Glaser wrote: > << Snippage of tale of woe >> FWIW, I've had good luck with Amazon. They had a book (Caging the Nuclear Genie) in stock. B&N said it would be weeks before they could get it, B. Dalton's said they couldn't get it. The book showed up in 4 days. Ken ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Dec 1997 20:29:22 -0600 From: mbittner@juno.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Hobbycraft 1/32 Nie. 17 Message-ID: <19971201.202957.15854.0.mbittner@juno.com> On Mon, 1 Dec 1997 20:57:46 -0500 John & Allison Cyganowski writes: > The Finescale article was a godsend for me. I used it to make > many improvments on the Testors Nie 17 that I built. I put the > drawing of the instruments on a reducing and Voila! I had my own > intsrument placard! Hmmm...I looked at the articles in question again. If you can, *please* follow the Windsock article. I have not seen the type of instrument panel that is in the FineScale article. Yes, it could exist, but I have not seen it (anybody have pictures they can reference me to?). Plus, a *white* Nie.17? Hmmm...interesting. Plus, the article doesn't do anything about the missing exhaust channel. Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Dec 1997 20:50:15 -0600 From: "Paul R. Howard" To: Subject: Re: Off Topic HE 219 info (not trying to start a new thread) Message-ID: <01bcfecd$04696ca0$3b868ece@default> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0023_01BCFE9A.B9CEFCA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Patrick, Most of this info is specific to the Tamiya kit, but areas on the DML kits could be affected with the same items. Who knows? Just let me say that the engineering on the Tamiya kit is outstanding with the exception of the nacelle area as is mentioned in the attached file. Hope this helps with your project. The file is in ASCII format so almost any text editing program should open it. Cheers, Paul Cheers! Paul H And don't let that guy twist too hard, or you might not be able to build the kit when it comes in.;-) -----Original Message----- From: Patrick Padovan To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Monday, December 01, 1997 2:57 PM Subject: Re: Off Topic HE 219 info (not trying to start a new thread) >Dear Paul: I'm interested in the 219 info you mentioned. I don't have the >Tamiya kit yet, but I have a couple of the 1/72 DML kits, which I haven't >started yet, and I may just have to get the Tamiya (You can't see him, but >some invisible guy keeps twisting my arm!) > Regards, Patrick > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Patrick Padovan >Interlibrary Loan Associate > >Timberland Regional Library Voice: 360-943-5001 >415 Airdustrial Way SW FAX: 360-586-6838 >Olympia, WA 98501-5799 e-mail: ppadovan@timberland.lib.wa.us >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >On Thu, 27 Nov 1997, Paul R. Howard wrote: > >> I've finally gotten into my much awaited 219, and noting how many people had >> acquired one out of the group, >> I thought some of you might want to be informed about a couple items of >> note. If so, please feel free to email >> me off list and I'll pass on some of the points of interest that my meager >> abilities have turned up. >> >> Cheers, >> >> Paul H >> >> > > ------=_NextPart_000_0023_01BCFE9A.B9CEFCA0 Content-Type: text/plain; name="HE219 .txt" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="HE219 .txt" HE 219 The kit matches exactly the description given for the HE 219 A7/R2 in = Heinz Nowarra's book on the subject. I certainly won't argue that the DB 603G wasn't issued for service, but = many references call it out( Probably=20 in error). I think Daimler Benz ought to know if they built it or not, = and since they say NOT, then that is what I'll go by. Since the 219 A7 was originally to use a Jumo 222 and only = the A7/R6 was to use the DB603G=20 with the enlarged supercharger intakes, the DB603E called out in the = description for the R2 seems to fit.=20 The armament listed is for two belly guns, two wing guns (MK 151s), and = the Schrange Musik installation=20 in the rear fuselage (2 MK 108s). The conflicting sources from = everywhere only complicate the matter,=20 so pick one you prefer to believe and press on. I picked Nowarra's = because he usually provided pictures of the original documents along with the translation. (Some items like = numbers need no translation) The main item of contention tossed about, is the underside of the 219 = is the weapons tray. In order to clear up some of the confusion, I'd like to explain the views. The underside of the = kit, when viewed from head on, has a shape similar=20 to the "keel" of a boat. See below for an attempt at a profile: * * * * * * KIT = PROFILE * * * * * * * ------------------- Notice that the underside = is comes to a point. Here is a crude representation of the shape of the actual aircraft: * * * * * * = AIRCRAFT PROFILE * * * * * * * * =20 * ------------------------ Notice the = underside has a more rounded appearance. I've heard the underside incorrectly described as being flat. Only the = area directly in front of the weapons tray should be flat, and the kit comes pretty dog gone close to in that = area. The weapons tray profile can=20 be corrected without too much trouble with just some sandpaper and a = little rescribing. As for undersurface=20 scribing, it matches the photos that I've seen of the area. The only = items that I've seen that differ are some=20 line drawings, and I will go with photos before drawings every time. The = bird at the Garber facilty is an unknown version(or all of the refences I've seen don't mention the = version), so you can't really say whether=20 or not it was a production model, a prototype, or a prototype brought up = to production standards.... Huge gray areas exist, but the main gripe has been the underside, and = that if a pretty easy fix. Oh yeah, I almost forgot the little stuff. Tamiya molded the boarding = ladder panel closed, but still supplied the ladder. That's great by me since it's always easier to cut a panel that you want = open, than to close a panel you don't. Also, some people were asking if they had missed the second radar scope = hood on the radar operator's panel. =20 The hood is not there because the scope is not there. Tamiya molded the = panel with the connectors for the missing=20 scope in the correct locations, and since the kit comes configured to be = a plane with only the FuG220 radar, I believe it is correct. With the exception of a few nicknacks such as O2 hoses = being needed and such, the cockpit is a very good representation and it fits extremely well. There is some work to do around the nacelles, as they don't fit very = well. Nothing a little filler and sandpaper can't=20 heal. When the wings are put together, there are some protrusions that = stick out past the leading edge of=20 the wing at the nacelle joint. File these down and blend then into the = fillet as they are incorrect. Also there are some panel lines that need to be filled on the nacelles = to get then to look as they should. I've=20 attached a file to show what I'm talking about here. =20 I hope this helps someone out there, as it took days to figure out what = the crap people on the news groups were talking about when they said the kit was wrong. Cheers, Paul H=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0023_01BCFE9A.B9CEFCA0-- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 11:15:18 +0800 From: Joey Valenciano To: wwi Subject: Re: Hobbycraft 1/32 Nie. 17 Message-ID: <199712020315.LAA17865@fiesta.philonline.com.ph> Hi Matt "Nieuport" Bittner, >> The Finescale article was a godsend for me. > >Hmmm...I looked at the articles in question again. If you can, >*please* follow the Windsock article. I have not seen the type >of instrument panel that is in the FineScale article. Yes, it >could exist, but I have not seen it (anybody have pictures they >can reference me to?). Plus, a *white* Nie.17? I think that was his interpretation of the standard finish. >Plus, the article doesn't do anything about the missing exhaust >channel. Where does the exhaust channel go? As you know, I'm into the Nieuport Tripe and am sure that it has got one as well. ********************************************************************* Joey Valenciano WW1 modeller, teacher, jazz musician, joeyval@pusit.admu.edu.ph sitarist tel. (632) 921-26-75 Metro-Manila, Philippines "The more you know, the more you don't know." ********************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 Dec 1997 12:24:08 +0900 From: Hirohisa Ozaki To: wwi Subject: Latest Aeroplane monthly Message-ID: <199712020324.MAA02085@zoo.miln.mei.co.jp> I just recieved Aeroplane monthry Jan 1998 issue, include some WWI planes photographs. "This is our fourth batch of hitherto unpublished WWI photographs from a collection submitted by John Goldsworthy of ...... the captions are by J M Bruce." 15 photographs, planes are: Sopwith Dolphin, D3747. (1) MF.11 Shorthorn. (2) MF.7 Longhorn. (1) Biff's observer's-eye view.(1) Caudron R.XI, No 4962. (1) DH1, No 4614. (1) Strutter, A2383 (1) NE1, B3971. (2) Sopwith Triplane, N5430.(1) FE2b, No 4260. (1) HP O/400, B8802. (1) Vickers FB5 , No 5654 (1) and 5675. (1) Hiro. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Dec 1997 21:26:26 -0600 From: mbittner@juno.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Hobbycraft 1/32 Nie. 17 Message-ID: <19971201.212940.15454.1.mbittner@juno.com> On Mon, 1 Dec 1997 22:12:48 -0500 Joey Valenciano writes: >I think that was his interpretation of the standard finish. According to the article, it was a color plate in the Time/Life "Knights of the Air", or something like that. >Where does the exhaust channel go? As you know, I'm into the Nieuport >Tripe and am sure that it has got one as well. It goes under the forward fuselage, right behind the cowl. Do you have the Windsock or Datafile Special with the Belgium Nie.23? These pictures show it to best advantage. Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Dec 1997 18:59:01 -0800 From: "Charles/Linda Duckworth " To: Subject: Re: Question on Naval 8 Pup's Message-ID: <199712020334.VAA10327@mail.primary.net> > According to Sturtivant/Page in RN Aircraft Serials and Units, N5190 was > coded '2' while at No.1 Wing. Could the photo be of it while there? or is > the condition all shot up? > > Would it be possible to send me a copy of the photo of N5190, I can email > profiles of one of Naval Eight's named Pups in return. > > Regards, > Bob Pearson Bob glad to send photo copy just email me your address the aircraft is as shot down one can see the number '2' on the side, the rudder colors and the side roundel ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 15:37:16 +1100 (EST) From: Mick Fauchon To: wwi Cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: RE: Hobbycraft 1/32 Nie. 17 Message-ID: Shane, > I must have a different copy of Harry Woodmans book, Nope, you've got the same copy as my copy copy. because > mine deals with the Hawk/Testors 1/48 Nie 17, rather than the Hobbycraft > one which AFAIK wasn't released until yonks later And you're right, of course. I was thinking in generic terms. HW's article would probably still be worth a look....from what I can remember the drawings eren't in scale, so that wouldn't matter. Cheers, Mick. -- -- Mick Fauchon | Internet: ulmjf@dewey.newcastle.edu.au Reference Section, Auchmuty Library | Ph (intl+61+49) 215861 University of Newcastle, AUSTRALIA | Fax (intl+61+49) 215833 MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM M M M Tasmanian Devil: "#@%!&^*%%...!#@!&**%^@@#$#-+*+*&##@...!!" M M M M Yosemite Sam : "Cut out that Army talk!..Yer in the Navy now!" M M M MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 01:08:23 -0500 (EST) From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: RFC and Martinsyde Info wanted Message-ID: <971202010822_868016514@mrin85.mail.aol.com> In a message dated 97-12-01 16:42:28 EST, herper@willapabay.org writes: << Maybe someone here can help. I want to know everything about the Martinsyde G.100. Where it was built, who the factory workers were, how it was painted, how and when did they go to France, the history of this plane in No. 27 Squadron in France, and anything else relating to Aircraft No.7481. Also, I want to know anything and everything about a Sgt.. Herbert Bellersby, who flew a G.100 for No. 27... Chris Banyai-Riepl >> Hello Chris- I can't help you on Bellerby but the G.100 arrived in France with No.27 Squadron March 1 '16 when 11 airplanes landed at St.Omer.No 27 was the only unit in France to be COMPLETELY equipped with the G.100. 7481 was in the second prodution batch 7459-7508 BTW, Chris runs a neat web-site called Aviation What-Not.Good modelstuff and great coverage of the world's lesser known air forces- his current edition has good material on the CR42 in Hungarian service. I found this site a couple of weeks ago and linked to it-Check out his links AND my color profile of the Staaken R VI 25/16! (also great reviews of the various Saab Draken kits- hey- if you guys can like Wildcats I can dig Drakens)Here's his address: http://www.willapabay.org/~herper/aviation ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Dec 1997 22:21:11 -0800 From: Bob Pearson To: WW1 Mailing list Subject: Re: RFC and Martinsyde Info wanted Message-ID: <06211152946560@KAIEN.COM> Once again I agree with Robert, Chris has an excellent site. And the CR.42s look great, as does the Staaken. BTW Robert, what media did you illustrate it with? As to the Martinsyde, here is what I sent Chris earlier today . . . In regard to the Martinsyde Elephant, there is an article on them in C&C(GB) 4/4:149, as well as in Windsock 1/2:13 (repeated in 'Great War Classics in Profile vol.1') and the old Profile Publication on the type. In addition there will be a Datafile on the type released in the next year (next month?). Regards, Bob Pearson ---------- > From: KarrArt@aol.com > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Re: RFC and Martinsyde Info wanted > Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 01:12:00 -0500 > > In a message dated 97-12-01 16:42:28 EST, herper@willapabay.org writes: > > << Maybe someone here can help. I want to know > everything about the Martinsyde G.100. Where it was built, who the factory > workers were, how it was painted, how and when did they go to France, the > history of this plane in No. 27 Squadron in France, and anything else > relating to Aircraft No.7481. Also, I want to know anything and everything > about a Sgt.. Herbert Bellersby, who flew a G.100 for No. 27... > > Chris Banyai-Riepl >> > Hello Chris- I can't help you on Bellerby but the G.100 arrived in France > with No.27 Squadron March 1 '16 when 11 airplanes landed at St.Omer.No 27 was > the only unit in France to be COMPLETELY equipped with the G.100. 7481 was in > the second prodution batch 7459-7508 > BTW, Chris runs a neat web-site called Aviation What-Not.Good modelstuff and > great coverage of the world's lesser known air forces- his current edition > has good material on the CR42 in Hungarian service. I found this site a > couple of weeks ago and linked to it-Check out his links AND my color profile > of the Staaken R VI 25/16! (also great reviews of the various Saab Draken > kits- hey- if you guys can like Wildcats I can dig Drakens)Here's his > address: > http://www.willapabay.org/~herper/aviation > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 14:38:55 +0800 From: Joey Valenciano To: wwi Subject: Re: Hobbycraft 1/32 Nie. 17 Message-ID: <199712020638.OAA11616@fiesta.philonline.com.ph> >>I think that was his interpretation of the standard finish. > >According to the article, it was a color plate in the Time/Life "Knights >of the Air", or something like that. No wonder!! Some of you on the list have pointed out how many errors this book contains. FWIW, the plate is on page 95 and the a/c could be interpreted as light grey, the plate is captioned: "France's beloved Gerorges Guynemer flew this sleek and agile single seater....). So, what colour was Guynemer's Nie.17 then? >>Where does the exhaust channel go? As you know, I'm into the Nieuport >>Tripe and am sure that it has got one as well. > >It goes under the forward fuselage, right behind the cowl. Do you have >the Windsock or Datafile Special with the Belgium Nie.23? These pictures >show it to best advantage. Ah, I see it, the drawings help too. It's not an inverted vee as on the Sopwiths but more an inverted "U". ********************************************************************* Joey Valenciano WW1 modeller, teacher, jazz musician, joeyval@pusit.admu.edu.ph sitarist tel. (632) 921-26-75 Metro-Manila, Philippines "The more you know, the more you don't know." ********************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 01:43:50 -0500 (EST) From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Latest Aeroplane monthly Message-ID: <971202014350_749628312@mrin58.mail.aol.com> In a message dated 97-12-02 01:22:19 EST, ozaki@miln.mei.co.jp writes: << I just recieved Aeroplane monthry Jan 1998 issue, include some WWI planes photographs. "This is our fourth batch of hitherto unpublished WWI photographs from a collection submitted by John Goldsworthy of ...... the captions are by J M Bruce." >> One of the few magazine I still buy occasionally- I may have to get this one- Thanks Hiro Robert ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 01:55:19 -0500 (EST) From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi Subject: firsts Message-ID: <971202015518_-554477797@mrin41.mail.aol.com> All this Guillow and sticks and tissue talk brings me to this: Today my kid just did his first tissue job. He was working on his Revell Nieuport 28 conversion when he remembered that he'd gotten a Guillow Cessna for Christmas a couple of years ago.Out of the blue he just decided to take a break from plastic and see what this other kind of modeling is like- no prompting from me.He did very well I'm happy to say.Now he wants the damn Guillow Nieuport 28. Robert ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 02:09:01 -0500 (EST) From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi Subject: firsts Message-ID: <971202020901_1348420933@mrin45.mail.aol.com> If any of you old geezers out there remember tiny odd scale kits of the Wright Flyer and Spirit of St Louis (ITC?), they've just been re-released by Glencoe in a double kit aimed at kids.Get your carbon tet ready.Very small (105th and 110th I think) they're simple with few parts. The reason I bring this up, dammit, is because I did the boxtop painting for the Wright!(Amendola did the Spirit) Cavorting and screeching in published glory Robert (who maintains his honor and integrity in matters Glencoe by proclaiming that the Pfalz D III bottem wing is still an atrocity- too many ribs. EEEEEK- incorrect amounts of ribs- I can't stand it!) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Dec 1997 23:36:06 -0800 From: bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) To: wwi Subject: Re: firsts Message-ID: <199712020736.AA23842@ednet1.orednet.org> > >If any of you old geezers out there remember tiny odd scale kits of the >Wright Flyer and Spirit of St Louis (ITC?), they've just been re-released by >Glencoe in a double kit aimed at kids.Get your carbon tet ready.Very small >(105th and 110th I think) they're simple with few parts. The reason I bring >this up, dammit, is because I did the boxtop painting for the >Wright!(Amendola did the Spirit) So who did the F-86D box art? Alas, I fear the box art was better than the models, if memory serves. At least Glencoe has not been tempted to reissue the ITC Spad XIII which, again if memory serves, was worse than awful. Raised insignia molded into the plastic? Nah, the ITC Spad went that one better and molded the _camouflage pattern_ into the plastic. A truly dreadful little thing. Still, I'd be interested in the story as to how you came to do the box art - and, if it is not to personal, jest exactly what did someone get paid for that sort of thing back in the "good old days". Cheers and all, -- Bill Shatzer - bshatzer@orednet.org "All generalizations are dangerous, even this one." Alexandre Dumas ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 08:06:24 -0500 From: "Denest, Michael J" To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Firsts Message-ID: <21A9C368581DD011986600805FEABAD4014A3C65@xch-phl-01.he.boeing.com> And I thought you were going to beat the guy with the Chevy/JATO bottle combination! Mike > ---------- > From: Mick Fauchon[SMTP:ulmjf@dewey.newcastle.edu.au] > Sent: Monday, December 01, 1997 9:10 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Re: Firsts > > > > Robert, > > > cement for styrene, you could use carbon tetrachloride......egad > > Well might you say Egad!, sir. I used to use the stuff to make > "soup" > for figure conversions [Airfix, Historex], and smoking around it > didn't > even bother me, until it slowly dawned on me [good old WW1 theme]: > carbon > tet. + heat source = [you got it!] Phosgene! > Funny, but I never used the stuff after that. > > Cheers, > > and lucky to be > still here, > > Mick. > > > > > -- > -- > Mick Fauchon | Internet: > ulmjf@dewey.newcastle.edu.au > Reference Section, Auchmuty Library | Ph (intl+61+49) 215861 > University of Newcastle, AUSTRALIA | Fax (intl+61+49) 215833 > > > MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM > M > M > M Tasmanian Devil: > "#@%!&^*%%...!#@!&**%^@@#$#-+*+*&##@...!!" M > M > M > M Yosemite Sam : "Cut out that Army talk!..Yer in the > Navy now!" M > M > M > > MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 08:09:09 -0500 From: "Denest, Michael J" To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: firsts Message-ID: <21A9C368581DD011986600805FEABAD4014A3C66@xch-phl-01.he.boeing.com> Thayer Syme has a nice website with all kinds of information on free flight modeling. It's easy to find on the web. Mike > ---------- > From: KarrArt@aol.com[SMTP:KarrArt@aol.com] > Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 1997 1:58 AM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: firsts > > All this Guillow and sticks and tissue talk brings me to this: Today > my kid > just did his first tissue job. He was working on his Revell Nieuport > 28 > conversion when he remembered that he'd gotten a Guillow Cessna for > Christmas > a couple of years ago.Out of the blue he just decided to take a break > from > plastic and see what this other kind of modeling is like- no prompting > from > me.He did very well I'm happy to say.Now he wants the damn Guillow > Nieuport > 28. > Robert > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 08:14:35 -0500 From: "Denest, Michael J" To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: First's-Guillows Message-ID: <21A9C368581DD011986600805FEABAD4014A3C67@xch-phl-01.he.boeing.com> Yup. I built the DH-4, SE5a and Fokker Triplane. Just recently I got the Nieuport 11 and Tommy Morse. Now if I can find that Rumpler kit......hey Barry, do you have one stashed on your shelves somewhere? Mike > ---------- > From: KarrArt@aol.com[SMTP:KarrArt@aol.com] > Sent: Monday, December 01, 1997 5:39 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Re: First's-Guillows > > In a message dated 97-12-01 15:18:26 EST, > Michael.Denest@PHL.Boeing.com > writes: > > << What I like to have is copies of all those Guillow 18" WWI model > plans. > They also had some 24" models that were dropped. I think one was a > two > seat recon but I can't remember what it was. Any helpers? The same > for > Sterling as well. > Mike >> > During the Spring of 1964 Guillow ran an add campaign in the major > flying > model magazines announcing that in August- and not before mind you- > they > would be releasing 2 great kits on the 50th anniv. of the beginning of > WW I- > a DH-4 and a Rumpler CV. I hear these kits have recently been dropped > form > the catalog which is a shame becaause they were great kits.I've still > got the > razor-blade shredded plans.Just yesterday I was in a shop that still > sells > stick-and-tissue kits, dope and tissue etc. and the other large > Guillows are > still current- the Fokker Triplane, Nieuport 11, Thomas-Morse and SE5 > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 07:15:01 -0600 From: "Paul R. Howard" To: Subject: Re: firsts Message-ID: <01bcff24$4bef22c0$25868ece@default> SNIP >Cavorting and screeching in published glory >Robert (who maintains his honor and integrity in matters Glencoe by >proclaiming that the Pfalz D III bottem wing is still an atrocity- too many >ribs. EEEEEK- incorrect amounts of ribs- I can't stand it!) > Calm down young man, or we'll be forced to commission a painting of the Pfalz and Insist that it be painted with the same no. of ribs as the Glenco kit! Heh Heh Heh...... And then we'll..... Oh well, you get the picture. Cheers, Paul H It's off to work I go! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 08:18:54 -0500 From: "Denest, Michael J" To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Oops Message-ID: <21A9C368581DD011986600805FEABAD4014A3C68@xch-phl-01.he.boeing.com> That's okay. You can make it up to us by finding out what we want for Christmas and granting our wishes! Mike > ---------- > From: Jim Alley[SMTP:JimAlley@aol.com] > Sent: Monday, December 01, 1997 6:03 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Oops > > I think I may have just accidentally sent an anti-spam reply to the > list. > If so, please accept my apologies. Too much spam, too little brains. > > Jim Alley > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 08:25:14 -0500 From: "Denest, Michael J" To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Themes being followed /firsts Message-ID: <21A9C368581DD011986600805FEABAD4014A3C69@xch-phl-01.he.boeing.com> Doh! Mike > ---------- > From: KarrArt@aol.com[SMTP:KarrArt@aol.com] > Sent: Monday, December 01, 1997 5:42 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Re: Themes being followed /firsts > > In a message dated 97-12-01 16:16:35 EST, > Michael.Denest@PHL.Boeing.com > writes: > > << and I suddenly feel like a pup again! >> > Just wait- your teeth will go all spongy and then to eat your dinner > you'll > have to find something to sopwith. > Robert > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 08:27:44 +0000 From: "Paul Schwartzkopf" To: wwi Subject: Re: Hobbycraft 1/32 Nie. 17 Message-ID: <199712021428.IAA20866@tscrypt1.transcrypt.com> Thanks to all (Matt, Shane, Mick, and others) who responded to my inquiry. It makes logistic sense to get the copies from matt, but I really appreciate all your offers. In the meantime, for relaxation purposes, I am quickly "throwing together" the Eduard 1/48 Sopwith Triplane. Building it straight from the box. This one will just be a shelf-sitter, so I am not worried about things being corrected or "right". I finished spraying it with clear gloss this morning before work, so I may be able to apply decals tonight. Final assembly may come late this weekend. Doesn't look too bad, considering I am not dwelling on any one item/assembly. Paul Schwartzkopf "After the rush is over, I am going to have a nervous breakdown. I earned it, I deserve it, and nobody will deprive me of it!" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 Dec 1997 16:39:01 -0600 From: "William B. Bacon, Jr." To: wwi Subject: Re: Belated catch up Message-ID: <34833C85.2743@netjava.net> Mick, Can I help you on MvR. What do you need. Cheers, Bill B. Mick Fauchon wrote: > > Joey, > > > >Am gathering info on MvR for you. Hope to get it together and on the > > >way to you after new year. Will that be too late? > > > > Why are you gathering MvR material for me? > > Yeah! Why not for me? 80) > > Mick. > > -- -- > Mick Fauchon | Internet: ulmjf@dewey.newcastle.edu.au > Reference Section, Auchmuty Library | Ph (intl+61+49) 215861 > University of Newcastle, AUSTRALIA | Fax (intl+61+49) 215833 > > MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM > M M > M Tasmanian Devil: "#@%!&^*%%...!#@!&**%^@@#$#-+*+*&##@...!!" M > M M > M Yosemite Sam : "Cut out that Army talk!..Yer in the Navy now!" M > M M > MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 788 *********************