WWI Digest 778 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) wing scratchbuilders, advice please by Joey Valenciano 2) RE: Drawing accuracy by "Denest, Michael J" 3) Re: wing scratchbuilders, advice please by "Paul Schwartzkopf" 4) List Downtime by aew (Allan Wright) 5) Re: wing scratchbuilders, advice please by Joey Valenciano 6) Re: wing scratchbuilders, advice please by "Sandy Adam" 7) Re: wing scratchbuilders, advice please by Bob Pearson 8) Re: Nie Tripe roundels by TPTPUMPER@aol.com 9) Re: Lafayette Escadrille ponderance by KarrArt@aol.com 10) Re: Themes being followed/New Thread by KarrArt@aol.com 11) Re: New Windsock 13/6 by KarrArt@aol.com 12) WW I connecting WW II by KarrArt@aol.com 13) The DM DVII by KarrArt@aol.com 14) Re: Drawing accuracy by KarrArt@aol.com 15) Re: Plans for WWI aircraft by KarrArt@aol.com 16) Re: Themes being followed/New Thread by Redwilde@bdsbbs.com (Redwilde) 17) Belated catch up by "William B. Bacon, Jr." 18) Thanks by KarrArt 19) Re: Belated catch up by Joey Valenciano 20) Re: Book info needed by Alberto Rada 21) Re: Themes being followed/New Thread by Mick Fauchon 22) Re: After market rotaries by Riordan and Michelle Goodwin 23) Re: Themes being followed/New Thread by Riordan and Michelle Goodwin 24) Re: Thanks by Mick Fauchon 25) Re: Drawing accuracy by Riordan and Michelle Goodwin 26) Roll on Roland, roll on... by Pedro Nuno Soares 27) Re: Roll on Roland, roll on... by bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) 28) Re: Themes being followed/New Thread by Bob Pearson 29) Re: Drawing accuracy by KarrArt@aol.com 30) Latest Military History issue by "Alexandre " ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 20:47:45 +0800 From: Joey Valenciano To: wwi Subject: wing scratchbuilders, advice please Message-ID: <199711251247.UAA09384@fiesta.philonline.com.ph> Hi all, As you know, one of the projects on the work table is a Nieuport Tripe. My problem concerns making up the wings. I have made wings the Harry Woodman way, balsa core and thin styrene skin, although I substitute acetate for the thin styrene. For this project, because of the narrow chord, I decided to shape the wing from a solid piece of card and to add ribs. What I've done is to cut thin plastic strips as narrow as a hobby knife blade is thick, and super glued these strips onto the rib stations. Next thing I did was to thin down putty to about the consistency of honey and apply this over the rib stations. When dry, I sanded away excess putty. To make a long story short, I'm not quite happy with the results and want to know how others have simulated ribs on solid wings. ********************************************************************* Joey Valenciano WW1 modeller, teacher, jazz musician, joeyval@pusit.admu.edu.ph sitarist tel. (632) 921-26-75 Metro-Manila, Philippines "The more you know, the more you don't know." ********************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 08:16:07 -0500 From: "Denest, Michael J" To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Drawing accuracy Message-ID: <21A9C368581DD011986600805FEABAD4014A3C3D@xch-phl-01.he.boeing.com> I have found an error between the Neito Standard J1 and the Cleveland rubber powered model plans. It seems the fuselage is excessively deep in the cockpit area. I don't recall any other deviations as I have not looked at this plan in a while. BTW, has anyone done a model of the Standard? Mike > ---------- > From: KarrArt@aol.com[SMTP:KarrArt@aol.com] > Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 1997 1:42 AM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Drawing accuracy > > In a message dated 97-11-25 00:41:45 EST, mgoodwin@ricochet.net > writes: > > << Ye old C. Graham drawings in the infamous > Model Airplane News book >> > > I'm starting to wander about the infamous inaccuracy of some of these > drawings and am thinking perhaps a few babies have been thrown out > with the > bathwater.The semi-new WW I Aero has a note that they compared the > Nieto > drawing to the Fokker D VII factory profile and found that it matched > the > side view better than any other versions.(Nieto's top view and rudder > outline > ARE screwy)Nieto's Jenny set is quite good.Wylam's drawings are > generally > fictional for German aircraft(and that horrible Bristol he > perpetrated) but > I've been fiddling around with his DH-4 and it's actually as good as > anything > Stair has done.His Bleriot isn't bad either.I've had problems with > almost all > drawings I've ever used when scratch building- including the > Windsock-DataFile items. > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 07:56:37 +0000 From: "Paul Schwartzkopf" To: wwi Subject: Re: wing scratchbuilders, advice please Message-ID: <199711251357.HAA22502@tscrypt1.transcrypt.com> > To make a long story short, I'm not quite happy with the results and > want to know how others have simulated ribs on solid wings. Joey, In the past, I have gone through the tedious process of scribing narrow grooves in the wings, and then glueing stretched sprue in the grooves. *Carefully* painting liquid cement on the sprue tends to melt in into the wing surface. This is not perfect, but it has been enough to satisfy my tastes. It is very easy to apply too much glue and ruin the sprue, so you may want to experiment first. Paul A. Schwartzkopf ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 08:55:59 -0500 (EST) From: aew (Allan Wright) To: wwi Subject: List Downtime Message-ID: <199711251356.IAA04502@pease1.sr.unh.edu> Hi all, Well, the list came back up yesterday afternoon as scheduled. Just another friendly reminder, I'm leaving for vacation tomorrow and I'll be back Dec. 4th. Play nice while I'm gone. I'll try to check in every few days to check on the list but if I can't and things go haywire it might not get fixed until I get back. See you soon, Allan =============================================================================== Allan Wright Jr. | You fell victim to one of the 'classic' blunders! University of New Hampshire+--------------------------------------------------- Research Computing Center | WWI Modeling mailing list: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Internet: aew@unh.edu | WWI Modeling WWW Page: http://pease1.sr.unh.edu =============================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 01:30:48 +0800 From: Joey Valenciano To: wwi Subject: Re: wing scratchbuilders, advice please Message-ID: <199711251730.BAA15430@fiesta.philonline.com.ph> Hi Paul, thanks for the reply, >In the past, I have gone through the tedious process of scribing >narrow grooves in the wings, and then glueing stretched sprue in the >grooves. Just an hour ago, I have experimented on adding thin copper wire to where the ribs go. I drill a hole very near the trailing and leading edges, the copper wire goes in these points and is superglued. No grooves in my experiment, I just apply a little superglue along the sides of the wire. Sand the wire stubs flus on the undersurface. Then, what I did was to spray the upper surface area with numerous coats of a hardware spray can (heard of the brand PYLOX?). First time I've worked with this paint but it seems to be a very good "surfacer" sands well and much cheaper than Mr. Surfacer. When the paint was thick enough, I started sanding and got good scallops, not too deep, just right. My mistake was when I decided to sand down to the plastic in the middle, between rib stations. When I sprayed a fresh coat of paint on my work, the "sanded down" area shows up as an abrupt change in contour, in relation to the paint coated areas. This may not show up if the final finish is flat but next time I won't sand down to the plastic. I get a very decent wing surface with the above technique, I must just remember not to sand down to the plastic. But my problem isn't wholly solved yet. The Nie Tripe has 2 riblets between every pair of full ribs. Of course, I can drill a hole for the copper wire mid chord where the riblet ends. But my problem is sanding around the narrow spaces behind the riblets to get the scalloping smooth. A bit more patience and a bit more sanding practice may be the answer? Any more wing rib tips, anyone? ********************************************************************* Joey Valenciano WW1 modeller, teacher, jazz musician, joeyval@pusit.admu.edu.ph sitarist tel. (632) 921-26-75 Metro-Manila, Philippines "The more you know, the more you don't know." ********************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 18:48:26 -0000 From: "Sandy Adam" To: Subject: Re: wing scratchbuilders, advice please Message-ID: <199711251749.RAA01185@beryl.sol.co.uk> > > Any more wing rib tips, anyone? > Joey Valenciano Most of my subjects recently have been later war where wings are fairly flat across span with little of the "starving horse" syndrome which somebody recently well described (re the Lindberg SE5). For me a flat surface with transfer strip applied to represent rib tapes looks right for many late subjects. For earlier wood-and-string types the rib starving can be much more apparent and I have used thin strips of (flat) plastic, lots of liquid glue and vigorous sanding to achieve an acceptable finish. Sandy ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 11:11:16 -0800 From: Bob Pearson To: WW1 Mailing list Subject: Re: wing scratchbuilders, advice please Message-ID: <19111624932620@KAIEN.COM> Joey, I do the same as Paul says here, except I use thin strips of stretched 10 thou sheet - no grooves to scribe. I place the wing over a drawing of the wing with the rib stations extended beyond the leading and trailing edges as a guide. Liquid cement is then brushed on the rib station and the strip added. Light sanding brings the height down to acceptable levels. Regards, Bob Pearson ---------- > From: "Paul Schwartzkopf" > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Re: wing scratchbuilders, advice please > Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 08:54:31 -0500 > > > To make a long story short, I'm not quite happy with the results and > > want to know how others have simulated ribs on solid wings. > > Joey, > In the past, I have gone through the tedious process of scribing > narrow grooves in the wings, and then glueing stretched sprue in the > grooves. *Carefully* painting liquid cement on the sprue tends to > melt in into the wing surface. This is not perfect, but it has been > enough to satisfy my tastes. It is very easy to apply too much glue > and ruin the sprue, so you may want to experiment first. > > Paul A. Schwartzkopf ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 14:31:02 -0500 (EST) From: TPTPUMPER@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Nie Tripe roundels Message-ID: <971125143102_-154390377@mrin85.mail.aol.com> Hi Joey! > Where can I get good quality French roundel decals? > > I need it for the Nieuport Tripe. All the wings have a narrow chord ala Nie > 17 subwing and it had roundels on all surfaces of both wings. So I'll be > needing 12 small roundels in all, 4 of which should hopefully be slightly > larger for the top wing. > Write to Americal/Gryphon. If you measure the roundel size you need and tell Glenn Merrill, he will tell you which sheet will meet your needs. If you send him a couple IRCs or something, he'll send you a catalog, if you don't have one already. I am not affiliated, just a satisfied customer. Have Fun!! IRA ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 14:31:39 -0500 (EST) From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Lafayette Escadrille ponderance Message-ID: <971125143138_-1638587326@mrin38> In a message dated 97-11-25 03:52:24 EST, mbittner@JUNO.COM writes: << "Photographs Nos. 16 and 17 give a very good example of this painting of the baby Nieuport. This same machine has its lower surfaces painteed sky-blue." >> These and photo18 show a camo job consisting of runny splotches and the machine is tentatively id'd as Paul Pavelka's. This same report also states"Practically all aeroplanes sent to front leave the factories painted one color- either aluminum color or light yellow.There seems to be no regular rule as to the painting of these machines subsequently." All this is from a report by American Major James A. Logan sent to France to see what was happenin'.Dated June 30, 1916 Robert ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 14:31:44 -0500 (EST) From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Themes being followed/New Thread Message-ID: <971125143139_-1909465406@mrin41.mail.aol.com> In a message dated 97-11-25 02:37:52 EST, ulmjf@dewey.newcastle.edu.au writes: << << MvR being modeled to death >> > Aha- so that's what really happened. A propos of which there was a brief item on our national tv news last night to the effect that Sgt. Popkin, AIF, was *definitely* the culprit..... >> Whilst reading through the bounty of old C&Cs I obtained a few weeks ago, I came across this little item this morning- it's a list off ALL German air KIA for April 21 1918. MvR wasn't the only one that day.there were 18 others- who remembers Lt.August Wurm of Fl Abt33? Robert ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 14:47:24 -0500 (EST) From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: New Windsock 13/6 Message-ID: <971125144724_-487776825@mrin53.mail.aol.com> In a message dated 97-11-25 03:22:34 EST, cbbs@almac.co.uk writes: << I assume the Robert Karr (of California) is our RK and if so - superb diorama, Robert. I am sure you have had plenty of superlatives but let me add my congrats anyway. >> Yep- that's my lil ol' diorama.Thanks for the good words! My only connection to the Planes of Fame Museum in Chino is the fact that I donated this work to them after I found out that Ed Maloney, the founder and Head Honcho Big Cheese Emeritus still keeps the softest parts of his heart reserved for all things WW I.And they sprung for a glass case! I haven't seen the Windsock piece yet- I've not missed an issue in years but I buy from a local hobby shop because I like the guy who runs it and he gives me a deal on the price- but this also means I get my copy a little late- I quit subscribing directly for the same reason- Here on the U.S. west coast the subscribtion copy would flop in the mail box +or- 2 days of the shops getting it so .......heck! Robert ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 15:28:53 -0500 (EST) From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi Subject: WW I connecting WW II Message-ID: <971125152851_-1842782204@mrin41.mail.aol.com> In a message dated 97-11-24 13:47:38 EST, joeyval@philonline.com.ph writes: << How about WWII exploits of WWI airmen? >> Not exactly in the same frame, but one of the more interesting and tragic sagas connecting the two world wars is that of father-son pilots Willy and Ernest Willy Rosenstein. Ltn. d.R. Willy Rosenstein served in Jasta 27 under Goering and later in Jasta 40.He scored ten kills.After the war her went into the leather business, but his old flying bug caught up with him and he took to the skies again.He married in 1921 and his son Ernest Willy was born in 1923. Meanwhile, as a Jew, he was keeping a close eye on developements in Germany and finally, in 1936 he decided it was time to get out- but the Nazi government denied him permission.Old friends got word to Fat Herman who pulled some strings so his old buddy and subordinate Rosenstein could leave with out more hassle.Rosenstein moved to South Africa and became a flight instructor.When WW II broke out, his machines were confiscated, his school was closed and his employees drafted.Then he was interned as a "possible enemy of the State"! Despite this, his son Ernest enlisted in the South African Air Force.Ernest was seconded to the RAF and ended up flying Spitfires in No185 Squadron in Italy.Though details are missing, Ernest was reported mia and later kia April 2, 1945. That would make an interesting model project- the father's Albatros and the son's Spitfire! Robert ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 15:44:41 -0500 (EST) From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi Subject: The DM DVII Message-ID: <971125154440_-523559287@mrin79> I can't remember the thread title, but a few days ago some questions arose regarding the Fokker D VII held by the Deutches Museum.There was quit a long piece about this machine in C&C (U.S.)18/3. This Fokker suffers from so many anomalies that markings are the least of it's worries! False serial number All upper fuselage surfaces are aluminum ( yes- even the turtle) no hangy-down step- instead an inset semi-circular unit in the fuselage side 2 rib bays (those nearest the fuselage)in top of bottem wing are ply covered French Tach American water temp gauge fuel tank is Dutch or possibly Belgian and dated May 24, 1927 These are just a few of the odd things.Speculation is that since this machine is not mentioned in the Museum records prior to WW II, it might be a Dutch production machine captured in the invasion of Holland and turned over to the DM. What ever it is, that lozenge on it is NOT a good reference! Robert ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 15:52:36 -0500 (EST) From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Drawing accuracy Message-ID: <971125155236_413584909@mrin46.mail.aol.com> In a message dated 97-11-25 08:21:23 EST, Michael.Denest@PHL.Boeing.com writes: << I have found an error between the Neito Standard J1 and the Cleveland rubber powered model plans. It seems the fuselage is excessively deep in the cockpit area. I don't recall any other deviations as I have not looked at this plan in a while. BTW, has anyone done a model of the Standard? Mike >> I seem to recall reading (WW I Aero?) that Nieto's drawing had something wrong with the sweep back- but this is a dim memory.Generally, it seems when Nieto or Wylam had access to the original airplane- mostly American, their work is pretty reliable. Somebody built a full size repro/replica of a Camel from Wylam's plans and it flew fine, but geez, did it look awful. Whenever I start a scratch project, I try not to rely on just one set of drawings if at all possible. You could say I "scratch built" the drawings when I made my 1/32 Gotha. NONE of the available plans were completely correct. Robert ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 15:55:58 -0500 (EST) From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Plans for WWI aircraft Message-ID: <971125155558_2006073869@mrin83.mail.aol.com> In a message dated 97-11-24 06:10:25 EST, laws@eis.net.au writes: << Thanks to Bill B, Bob P, Shane W, Riordan, Rob Karr, Ira, and everyone else REGARDS TO ALL DAVID >> No problem- plus I've got to do something while the paint is drying! Robert ------------------------------ Date: 25 Nov 1997 16:50:22 EDT From: Redwilde@bdsbbs.com (Redwilde) To: wwi Subject: Re: Themes being followed/New Thread Message-ID: <880494676205@bdsbbs.com> Riordan wrote: >Do you have any of the old Profiles? This very plane is the subject of a 5-V color plate. Alas I don't have any of the Profiles. I've had to do such broad based research for the game that I've had to be careful about budgeting reference books. For the most part, I've stayed away from books that only deal with a single plane. The marking info is stuff I use for painting up my own planes but is not too relevant to the published game material where I need performance data and dates of service. As far as I know, the game has the most complete list of planes in front line service of any single publication, over 300 types so far and I keep updating it. I still need to add in new found planes from the latest FMP book on the French AIr Service. And I've limited the list to planes that had at least six production models used in front-line daytime service. I've left out prototypes that went to the front or planes that went straight into home defense or night bombing only. If I'd know what a massive project this was going to turn into, I would have kept much better footnotes from the start! Brian ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 16:13:37 -0600 From: "William B. Bacon, Jr." To: WWI Aero Modelers Subject: Belated catch up Message-ID: <347B4D90.481F@netjava.net> David, Thanks for the kind words. Glad I can help. May have some BTW stuff later. Paul and Shane, The prop info is greatly appreciated. Thanks. Joey, Am gathering info on MvR for you. Hope to get it together and on the way to you after new year. Will that be too late? To all, Regarding plan accuracy, unless we actually get the dimensions our selves, how do we know who is right and who is wrong? Going through my decals, I noticed that SuperScale 48-101 and 48-427 (4 and 5 co;or lower lozenge) have very faded colors, how about them for inside the cockpit? Beats painting it by hand. Could be weathered to make more faded. Model Themes: The 4 planes flown by Medal of Honor awardees. Also Nieu 28 flown by Rickenbacker (the one with war bond posters on wings). Plane flown by VC awardees. Waiting for FMP's book with Bob's profiles. Last but far from least, Thursday is the US Thanksgiving Day and high on my list of things to be thankful for is my association with all of you. Thanks for everything. Cheers, Bill B. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 17:17:42 EST From: KarrArt To: wwi Subject: Thanks Message-ID: <3a971a8a.347b4e88@aol.com> In a message dated 97-11-25 17:15:03 EST, wbacon@netjava.net writes: << Last but far from least, Thursday is the US Thanksgiving Day and high on my list of things to be thankful for is my association with all of you. Thanks for everything. >> I'm still reletively new (7 weeks now?) but I completely agree! Robert ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 06:30:09 +0800 From: Joey Valenciano To: wwi Subject: Re: Belated catch up Message-ID: <199711252230.GAA01004@fiesta.philonline.com.ph> Hi Bill, you said: >Joey, > >Am gathering info on MvR for you. Hope to get it together and on the >way to you after new year. Will that be too late? Why are you gathering MvR material for me? ********************************************************************* Joey Valenciano WW1 modeller, teacher, jazz musician, joeyval@pusit.admu.edu.ph sitarist tel. (632) 921-26-75 Metro-Manila, Philippines "The more you know, the more you don't know." ********************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 16:05:41 -0400 From: Alberto Rada To: wwi Subject: Re: Book info needed Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19971125160541.006dafc4@pop.true.net> I also have the book and I agree that although it has some very nice photos of restored or replica aeroplanes but the book should not be over + - $ 15.00 , if I see it in another bookstore for a more reasonable price I'll let you know. p.d. have you asked Aeroplane Books ? SALUDOS ALBERTO At 02:08 AM 24-11-97 -0500, you wrote: >In a message dated 97-11-24 01:20:37 EST, ghackney@iglou.com writes: > ><< Anybody have any information on the book "Classic Aircraft of WWI" by > Melvyn Hiscock? ISBN 1855324075. I ordered it from Amazon.com for $15.95 > but now they're telling me the price is $33. I don't mind spending $16 >> > >I've got the book- I certainly wouldn't pay $33 for it.It's a softbound >collection of great color photographs of restored museum airplanes and >replica/repros.Good Sopwith family coverage, Shuttleworth,Rhinebeck,Salis( >fine rich color cockpit shot of genuine SPAD XIII), hideous TigerMoth >-within-a-faux-Albatros,some grotesque Fokker Triplane fakes, lots of real >rotarys. I used the couple of pics of the RAF Musuem's repro BE2 during my >lil ol' 1/32 project. If you're after good color shots of the particular >airplanes covered, it's not bad- and can be inspirational- but not $33 >worth.Ummm.... I'd pay $17 for it! > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 10:01:59 +1100 (EST) From: Mick Fauchon To: wwi Cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Themes being followed/New Thread Message-ID: Bob, > Too late, you shouldn't have said it if you did not wish to follow it to its > interminable end. I know, I know 80( For another description of his demise, Stewart Taylor gave > me a copy of a pro-German American newspaper article from the 1930s which > described how Canadian troops had killed MvR on the ground. Funny you should mention that; Ed Ferko makes a vague allusion to that in his book. Also based on two "eye-witness" reports. He doesn't, however, make any reference to nationality, just "colonial troops". Cheers, Mick. -- -- Mick Fauchon | Internet: ulmjf@dewey.newcastle.edu.au Reference Section, Auchmuty Library | Ph (intl+61+49) 215861 University of Newcastle, AUSTRALIA | Fax (intl+61+49) 215833 MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM M M M Tasmanian Devil: "#@%!&^*%%...!#@!&**%^@@#$#-+*+*&##@...!!" M M M M Yosemite Sam : "Cut out that Army talk!..Yer in the Navy now!" M M M MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 15:13:18 -0800 From: Riordan and Michelle Goodwin To: wwi Subject: Re: After market rotaries Message-ID: <347B5B8E.217D@ricochet.net> rojo1@concentric.net wrote: > Why not just replace the manifolds with copper wire or soft, small- > diameter solder? It would look far better than any all-in-one-piece > molding. Excellent idea Rob, and one that probably wouldn't have occurred to me, even though I've used it for water lines on my D.V. -- --------------------------------------- This e-mail has been brought to you by - Riordan and Michelle Goodwin - ***************************** Great Holiday Gift Ideas at Jewels of the Silk Road http://www.silkroadjewels.com ***************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 15:18:10 -0800 From: Riordan and Michelle Goodwin To: wwi Subject: Re: Themes being followed/New Thread Message-ID: <347B5CB2.5218@ricochet.net> mark wrote: > > Matt queries: > > >One thing I have noticed lately. It's not that we just have to worry > >about Udet and MvR being modeled to death. We have to worry about these > >particular Jasta's. One that is rarely seen - except for Jacobs - is > >Jasta 7. Plus, how many have built models from one of the "higher" > >Jasta's, like 62 or 63? > > Well, I believe Riordan recently built an Alb. DIII of one of the German > "Pascha" units (Jastas 300 thru 307) detailed to the Turkish army in > Palestine, 1917 to EOW. AFAIK, that's about as "high", numerically, as you > can get! (*blush*) Actually it's a D.V, but thanks for remembering, Mark. If the Smer kit had been suitable, it woulda been a D.III. :-) -- --------------------------------------- This e-mail has been brought to you by - Riordan and Michelle Goodwin - ***************************** Great Holiday Gift Ideas at Jewels of the Silk Road http://www.silkroadjewels.com ***************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 10:22:04 +1100 (EST) From: Mick Fauchon To: wwi Cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Thanks Message-ID: > << Last but far from least, Thursday is the US Thanksgiving Day and high on > my list of things to be thankful for is my association with all of you. > Thanks for everything. > >> > I'm still reletively new (7 weeks now?) but I completely agree! We don't have a special Thanksgiving Day over [down?] here, but the above is one of the [many] things I'm thankful for every day. Cheers, Mick. -- -- Mick Fauchon | Internet: ulmjf@dewey.newcastle.edu.au Reference Section, Auchmuty Library | Ph (intl+61+49) 215861 University of Newcastle, AUSTRALIA | Fax (intl+61+49) 215833 MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM M M M Tasmanian Devil: "#@%!&^*%%...!#@!&**%^@@#$#-+*+*&##@...!!" M M M M Yosemite Sam : "Cut out that Army talk!..Yer in the Navy now!" M M M MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 15:40:59 -0800 From: Riordan and Michelle Goodwin To: wwi Subject: Re: Drawing accuracy Message-ID: <347B620B.3252@ricochet.net> KarrArt@aol.com wrote: > Whenever I > start a scratch project, I try not to rely on just one set of drawings if at > all possible. You could say I "scratch built" the drawings when I made my > 1/32 Gotha. NONE of the available plans were completely correct. Robert, Your earlier points about old plans are well taken and I'm compelled to defer to your judgement. I've experienced annoying setbacks in accurizing/conversion projects using Wylam drawings. One set of plans is almost never enough, but knowing the possible limitations of a particlar set is essential, and often this takes a bit of serious research. -- --------------------------------------- This e-mail has been brought to you by - Riordan and Michelle Goodwin - ***************************** Great Holiday Gift Ideas at Jewels of the Silk Road http://www.silkroadjewels.com ***************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 22:18:14 +0100 From: Pedro Nuno Soares To: "'ww1 modeling list'" Subject: Roll on Roland, roll on... Message-ID: <01BCF9FB.57F039C0@fei1-p3.telepac.pt> Hi guys I'm at the point of joining the 2 fuselage halves of the Roland. I've = added a lot of bits and pieces to the cockpits including a radio, an = antenna reel, a couple of switches, spare ammo drums, stick, rudder bar = ... but I have this doubt: would the pilot seat have some sort of lap = strap? were seat belts common in those days? Thanks guys Um abraco Pedro=00=00 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 16:22:41 -0800 From: bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) To: wwi Subject: Re: Roll on Roland, roll on... Message-ID: <199711260022.AA12425@ednet1.orednet.org> Pedro writes >I'm at the point of joining the 2 fuselage halves of the Roland. I've = >added a lot of bits and pieces to the cockpits including a radio, an = >antenna reel, a couple of switches, spare ammo drums, stick, rudder bar = >.. but I have this doubt: would the pilot seat have some sort of lap = >strap? were seat belts common in those days? Almost certainly, I would think. Lemme check my references for sure - which "Roland" were you building? Cheers and all, -- Bill Shatzer - bshatzer@orednet.org "All generalizations are dangerous, even this one." Alexandre Dumas ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 16:29:01 -0800 From: Bob Pearson To: WW1 Mailing list Subject: Re: Themes being followed/New Thread Message-ID: <00290159433464@KAIEN.COM> Brian wrote . . . > If I'd know what a massive project this was going to turn into, I > would have kept much better footnotes from the start! > Ain't that the truth. For the first year or so that I worked on my profiles I was happy to just see them in colour, and wasn't too concerned about where I got the reference from . . . eight years down the road I stare in frustration trying to retrace my steps when someone mentions one of those early ones . . oh well that is why they are on file cards (for easy deletion when proven wrong, or to be refiled in the correct unit) Regards, Bob Pearson ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 20:26:05 -0500 (EST) From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Drawing accuracy Message-ID: <971125202604_195496839@mrin47> In a message dated 97-11-25 19:54:25 EST, mgoodwin@ricochet.net writes: << Your earlier points about old plans are well taken and I'm compelled to defer to your judgement. I've experienced annoying setbacks in accurizing/conversion projects using Wylam drawings. One set of plans is almost never enough, but knowing the possible limitations of a particlar set is essential, and often this takes a bit of serious research. >> My judgement can be a little foggy at times! That's what's good about this list.Enough hot air to disperse the thickest atmosphere. Often, "WWI Aero "will print an original dimensioned factory drawing and these will be riddled with errors- simple arithmatic such as where a series of rib spaces won't add up to the same figure as the overall span. Sometimes production changes are merely noted without a change in the plans themselves but through time, the obsolete dimension gets repeated in some reference and perpetuates an error. Many of Wylam's drawings are interesting from a history-of-modeling point of view because one can see EXACTLY where Aurora and others got their plans. Robert ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 23:49:29 -0200 From: "Alexandre " To: Subject: Latest Military History issue Message-ID: <199711260149.BAA22626@srv1-cas.cas.nutecnet.com.br> Hi all !!! The latest issue of Military History brings a good matter about the Passchendaele battle (1917) and some references about Voss and Guynemer death. HTH. Best regards, Alexandre - atcampos@nutecnet.com.br ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 778 *********************