WWI Digest 776 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Bloody Udet by "Sandy Adam" 2) RE: After market rotaries by Shane Weier 3) Re: Themes being followed/New Thread by Riordan and Michelle Goodwin 4) Re: Bloody Udet by Riordan and Michelle Goodwin 5) Re: Airbrushing by Riordan and Michelle Goodwin 6) Re: Airbrushing by "Randy J. Ray" 7) Re: List Going Down by JimAlley@aol.com 8) Re: Airbrushing by "Charles/Linda Duckworth " 9) Re: New Thread - SPAD XIII by "Charles/Linda Duckworth " 10) Re: Lafayette Escadrille ponderance by "Charles/Linda Duckworth " 11) Re: New Thread? OK by Riordan and Michelle Goodwin 12) Re: Themes being followed/New Thread by Bob Pearson 13) Re: Themes being followed/New Thread by Hirohisa Ozaki 14) London calling by Carlos Valdes 15) Re: After market rotaries by mbittner@juno.com 16) RE: New Thread - SPAD XIII by Shane Weier 17) Themes being followed /New Thread by "michell steel" 18) All white DV11 by "michell steel" 19) Re: The lozenge controversy, revisited by KarrArt@aol.com 20) Re: Themes being followed/New Thread by Joey Valenciano 21) Re: Themes being followed/New Thread by Joey Valenciano 22) Nie Tripe roundels by Joey Valenciano 23) Re: Themes being followed /New Thread by Joey Valenciano 24) Re: New Thread? OK by Joey Valenciano 25) RE: Themes being followed /New Thread by Shane Weier 26) Re: After market rotaries by John & Allison Cyganowski 27) Re: Themes being followed/New Thread by Riordan and Michelle Goodwin 28) Re: New Thread? OK by Mick Fauchon 29) Re: Themes being followed/New Thread by Mick Fauchon 30) Additional Plan books by "Charles/Linda Duckworth " 31) A/C cards FS by Carlos Valdes ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 01:49:18 -0000 From: "Sandy Adam" To: Subject: Re: Bloody Udet Message-ID: <199711250050.AAA12688@beryl.sol.co.uk> > > Gentlemen, gentlemen, gentlemen: Let's not get all hot and bothered > over this issue, or any other. Obviously some members of the list will be > interested in topics that do not interest all other members. Patrick, since I started the thread with the "Bloody Udet" heading I should apologise for starting a row. The point I was really aiming at was that we seem to get bogged down on three or four topics continuously: all German and all concerning two or three pilots and two or three aeroplanes. Now I know I have been labelled the PC10 fanatic but in fact my last ten subjects have been (from latest) Pup, Dolphin, Strutter, Phoenix D.II, Junkers D.I, DFW Flea, SPAD VII (2), Roland D.II and Siemens Schukert D.III. All 1/48. Now I think my modelling tastes are pretty balanced and though I seem to be on a Sopwith theme just now I can't wait to get onto the rest of the Sierra Austrians or the two HB seaplanes. I enjoy all aspects of the Great War. All aircraft. All protagonists. But I get totally fed up when the same three or four aeroplanes - Fokker Dr1, Fokker DVII, Albatros D.III/V and Pfalz D,III reappear over and over and over. OK so somebody said the volume of mail must reflect the relative interest - well maybe; but maybe its just that the few who are bogged down in AlbaFok land write more. I welcomed the insights when we all started to describe the themes that we are modelling - and hallelujah, I was delighted to see the diversity of subjects. This stuff to me is INTERESTING. As Rob said, after the first two or three passes on Ernst the Dwarf, all had really been said. My delete button was getting red hot. I for one would really like to hear more about the themes other people are following. Mute button now pressed. Sandy. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 10:03:30 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: wwi Subject: RE: After market rotaries Message-ID: <199711250111.LAA19386@mimmon.mim.com.au> Matt comments: >> Atlee? How do the Atlee engines compare to Aeroclub? >Impressive! I have the Atlee BMW and Mercedes, and they are way >better than Aeroclub. Granted, they never made rotories in the >correct scale, so I can't comment on those. :-) As in scale, I disagree with Matt regarding these engines. I bought an Atlee OAW conversion with engine and tossed the lot. Biggest problem with the engine is that it's undernourished to fit the conversion. The comparable Aeroclub *looks* coarser because of the very fine flash, but it cleans up easily and the result is at least the right size Regards Shane ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 17:14:43 -0800 From: Riordan and Michelle Goodwin To: wwi Subject: Re: Themes being followed/New Thread Message-ID: <347A2683.21FC@ricochet.net> Redwilde wrote: except Jasta 2 where I forgot to mention I also had a flight of Albatros D.IIs for it... Do tell. Standard varnished fuselages, large #s or initals and brown & green/mauve & green camo? > Pfalz from Jasta 30 Details? D.IIIs or? Squadron colors? > Some small flights get painted up just because the squadron had a cool > insignia to paint, like the plumed helmet of Escadrille Spa.26. For > these lesser known units, I frequently have to invent personal insignia > for each aircraft. I prefer using actual ones when I can get them. As Spock would often say, "Fascinating". Cheers, Riordan ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 17:21:16 -0800 From: Riordan and Michelle Goodwin To: wwi Subject: Re: Bloody Udet Message-ID: <347A280C.7EC9@ricochet.net> Sandy Adam wrote: > I for one would really like to hear more about the themes other people are following. Even if they're 'technically' off topic? I guess I don't need to go there...its just that the Whites & Bolshies were such a interesting mismatch. Airfix Walfisch progress report, anyone? Cheers, Riordan ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 17:28:37 -0800 From: Riordan and Michelle Goodwin To: wwi Subject: Re: Airbrushing Message-ID: <347A29C5.5723@ricochet.net> Suvoroff@aol.com wrote: > > I have just dug out the old badger after a hiatus of perhaps 15 years, > and now I am faced with a monumental ignorance of how to use the thing. I > suppose I knew once. Are there any good references on care and feeding of > airbrushes, airbrush techniques, etc? Particularly in reference to Badger > airbrushes, if possible. > > Yours, > James James, I'll send you a copy of the FSM article. I don't know if I've got your address still... Cheers, Riordan -- --------------------------------------- This e-mail has been brought to you by - Riordan and Michelle Goodwin - ***************************** Great Holiday Gift Ideas at Jewels of the Silk Road http://www.silkroadjewels.com ***************************** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 17:32:14 -0800 From: "Randy J. Ray" To: wwi Subject: Re: Airbrushing Message-ID: <347A2A9E.8B0B35D@nafohq.hp.com> John Huggins wrote: > I have been using the old paint to thinner ratio of "the consistancy of > whole milk" for a number of years now (40 plus). Some colors require more > thinner than others. That is why I don/\'t like the percentage ratios. I > don't have to measure anything, just eyeball the mixture. I know it is not > nuts on, but it works for me. Another tip is to never mix thinned paint > with a bottle of unthinned paint. I just trash any paint that is left in > the color cup when finished. Let me second this. When I first moved to airbrushing, the tip I got was to mix the thinner and paint until drawing the toothpick (what I use to stir) out of the paint resulted in a bead on the tip that formed without dropping off. If it was too thick to form, or dropped, the mix was too thick and/or heavy. If it was too thin to form the droplet, then it would be too thin coming out of the brush. Later on, I made the connection to the consistency of milk, and go with that. The only other point I'd offer over what John said is this: if the paint isn't coming out of the airbrush right, don't convince yourself that magic handling of the airbrush trigger will be enough. If you can't get the mix levelled out by adding either paint or thinner, dump it and start over. One color cup's worth of paint is a lot less frustrating than splattering a glob of the third camoflage color the size of a silver dollar on the wing. > I also learned along time ago that just about anything will work for > clean-up, but stay with the thinner the original paint manufacturer > produces for their paints. I don't use acrylics at all (have never liked the clean-up or the constant clearing of the spray tip), but for my enamels I have gotten fine results with Dio-Sol across the board, whether using Model Master or Floquil. I do use AeroMaster's thinner for their paints, though. Haven't had the chance to try Dio-Sol on that, yet. Randy -- """"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" Randy J. Ray randyr@nafohq.hp.com "Reach up your hand, if your cup be empty/If your cup is full, may it be again" --Grateful Dead, "Ripple" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 20:37:27 -0500 (EST) From: JimAlley@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: List Going Down Message-ID: <971124203727_-1927696941@mrin38> > The list will be down temporarilly this afternoon. Oh! What a relief! There have been so many, I've been having to delete them unread. Jim Alley ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 19:32:24 -0800 From: "Charles/Linda Duckworth " To: Subject: Re: Airbrushing Message-ID: <199711250150.TAA11401@mail.primary.net> Finescale Modeler recently did an article testing out the various acrylic paints - I'd recommend it as it gives PSI, thinning recommendations and coverage. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 19:45:35 -0800 From: "Charles/Linda Duckworth " To: Subject: Re: New Thread - SPAD XIII Message-ID: <199711250150.TAA11494@mail.primary.net> Has anyone backdated the DML SPAD XIII to the earlier version with the rounded wings, doesn't appear to be an extremely hard conversion - but it's only in the thinking stages. Would like to know if there are any other obvious changes before gluing Evergreen to the wing tips and I start sanding rib stations. nl: Fats Waller Ain't Misbehavin' 25 Greatest Hits. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 19:49:29 -0800 From: "Charles/Linda Duckworth " To: Subject: Re: Lafayette Escadrille ponderance Message-ID: <199711250150.TAA11512@mail.primary.net> I agree with Mr. Hart - looked up Parsons book last night and no mention of blue undersurfaces but does clearly state brown/green top surfaces. Assume blue would be mentioned if used. If I were painting a Nie11 I'd use the Cream/yellow on the bottom and for the outlining on the flying surfaces/fuselage. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 17:58:02 -0800 From: Riordan and Michelle Goodwin To: wwi Subject: Re: New Thread? OK Message-ID: <347A30AA.2143@ricochet.net> Joey Valenciano wrote: > > How about WWII exploits of WWI airmen? > > Robert Karr gave me this info: > > Theo Osterkamp- 32 victories in WWI, "Marine ace Gotthard Sachsenberg brings his Geschwader to the Baltic, and along with Theo Osterkamp and Josef(?) Jacobs sees action flying Junkers monoplanes ( Cl.Is and possibly D.1s) against Red forces in Courland, Lithuania from their base at Peterfield (in the Spring of 1919)." >From Wings of Revolution Cheers, Riordan -- --------------------------------------- This e-mail has been brought to you by - Riordan and Michelle Goodwin - ***************************** Great Holiday Gift Ideas at Jewels of the Silk Road http://www.silkroadjewels.com ***************************** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 17:58:53 -0800 From: Bob Pearson To: WW1 Mailing list Subject: Re: Themes being followed/New Thread Message-ID: <01585301930858@KAIEN.COM> Brian, Sorry to correct you, but Escadrille Spa.15 used the plumed helmet, while Escadrille N.26 had a hand holding a torch and later as part of Les Cicognes, Spa.26 had a stork. Regards, Bob Pearson ---------- > From: Redwilde@bdsbbs.com (Redwilde) > Some small flights get painted up just because the squadron had a cool > insignia to paint, like the plumed helmet of Escadrille Spa.26. For > these lesser known units, I frequently have to invent personal insignia > for each aircraft. I prefer using actual ones when I can get them. > > Brian RW > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 11:06:08 +0900 From: Hirohisa Ozaki To: wwi Subject: Re: Themes being followed/New Thread Message-ID: <199711250206.LAA01365@zoo.miln.mei.co.jp> >So, how a about it....what are those multiple plane >projects/themes at work out there? >Mike Muth British (made and used) aircrafts, modeling, reading, collecting. British and French Aces. Also like vac-kit and limited run injection kit than normal injection and resin kit. Hiro. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 10:56:01 -0500 From: Carlos Valdes To: wwi Subject: London calling Message-ID: <34770091.7336@conted.gatech.edu> Well, it's finally going to happen: next month the wife and I will be taking a week's vacation in London, which will be my first visit. Not the best time of year to go, I know, but we will both be free then, and the air fare/hotel price I found sure was right. In addition to the obligatory tourist stops and the obvious attractions (the RAFM, the IWM, Hannants, the Aviation Book Shop [does anyone have a phone number and address for this business, BTW], etc.), are there any must-see places, both cultural and air/military related, that any list members can recommend? In particular, I'd be interested in any used book and militaria shops. TIA. Carlos ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 19:31:07 -0600 From: mbittner@juno.com To: wwi Subject: Re: After market rotaries Message-ID: <19971124.193959.10918.0.mbittner@juno.com> On Mon, 24 Nov 1997 20:06:14 -0500 Shane Weier writes: > As in scale, I disagree with Matt regarding these engines. I > bought an Atlee OAW conversion with engine and tossed the lot. > Biggest problem with the engine is that it's undernourished to > fit the conversion. The comparable Aeroclub *looks* coarser > because of the very fine flash, but it cleans up easily and the > result is at least the right size I didn't realize. I was talking about the 1/72nd complete engines. FWIW, Atlee is even better than Paragon. :-) Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 11:39:36 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: wwi Subject: RE: New Thread - SPAD XIII Message-ID: <199711250248.MAA22324@mimmon.mim.com.au> Charles: >Has anyone backdated the DML SPAD XIII to the earlier version with the >rounded wings, doesn't appear to be an extremely hard conversion - but it's >only in the thinking stages. Would like to know if there are any other >obvious changes before gluing Evergreen to the wing tips and I start >sanding rib stations. Yup, been there, done that. It's rather a pity that you can't just round off the tips since the extension needed is only about 2mm (1/8 inch) at each end. I cut a tiny amount of the tips off and added a card extension, then made templates to keep the port and starboard tips more or less mirror images and had at it with knife and wet and dry. I made a number of other unnecessary changes such as the usual offsetting of all control surfaces. I *will* warn you to check your references. If you intend to build the ugly stars and stripes machine mine was boxed as, be aware that there should (if you care to take it that far) be a number variations to the model which IIRC are correctly shown on the box art ! Some of the *possible* variations are solid, mesh, or no engine cheek panels drag wire fairings or no fairings fuel down pipe fairing or no fairing (probably more, it's a few years now) One error in the instructions will cause grief if you dont't pick it up - the elevator control horn on the upper surfaces of the lower planes are shown reversed in the instructions - check your references. One error in the model too. Theres an inspection panel on the rear fuselage side which is shown on both sides, but should be on one side only. Fixing it was simple. Otherwise it was a great build, with only the most trivial amount of filler Regards Shane ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 13:45:06 +0900 From: "michell steel" To: "ww1" Subject: Themes being followed /New Thread Message-ID: <199711250301.WAA02535@pease1.sr.unh.edu> Shane suggested that He may like to build all of his collection of DV/Dva fighters in Jasta 5 colours That would be great Shane then we could put in a superb display at the next Hobby and Model Expo. However I suggest to you that after building that Lot you would build your Tamiya Wildcat "out of the box"for relief?? Oh sorry Have I let the cat out of the bag?? Graham. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 13:29:35 +0900 From: "michell steel" To: "ww1" Subject: All white DV11 Message-ID: <199711250301.WAA02534@pease1.sr.unh.edu> Hi guys. Mike Cornforth wrote:- "all white is all boring " This was in reference to the 'Goering' Hasegawa FDV11. I personally think that finishing an aircraft in one colour is a challenge simply because in order to make the finished article look realistic and not a uniform lump of painted plastic, a fair bit of weathering or shading is required. However I understand what you mean Mike. Why would you want to build an aircraft in a "boring colour" when there are so many exciting bright colour schemes around. Just for a new thread, how many of you have built aircraft in one colour and been happy that the finished article was "realistic" in its appearance? Graham. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 13:31:38 -0500 (EST) From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: The lozenge controversy, revisited Message-ID: <971124133138_2106130054@mrin46.mail.aol.com> In a message dated 97-11-24 03:26:16 EST, you write: << > > It would sure make modeling easier if we didn't have > to worry about reproducing the lozenge pattern on > the interiors. Absolutely! If the DM Fokker is anything to go by, it looks like we're in with a chance. >> The DM DVII most likely is nothing to go by- it's got weird cowl lines and even some American instruments! This airplane has always had several odd features and the lozenge (if I remember correctly) is hand painted- and not even in a known pattern. Robert ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 11:06:49 +0800 From: Joey Valenciano To: wwi Subject: Re: Themes being followed/New Thread Message-ID: <199711250306.LAA01380@fiesta.philonline.com.ph> At 07:50 PM 11/24/97 -0500, you wrote: >Rosemont does a complete Nie.Triplane kit. Plus it's in the >right scale! > >There was also an example of a Nie.Triplane using the Nie.17bis >fuselage. Plus, there was an example using what appears to be a >Nie.10 fuselage. I know of all these planes from the FMP French book but I'm planning to make only one as representative of the lot. I may make the Nie. 10 variant because it has a different wing arrangement, but I'm not sure.... Anybody have 3views of the Caproni Pensuti Tripe? ********************************************************************* Joey Valenciano WW1 modeller, teacher, jazz musician, joeyval@pusit.admu.edu.ph sitarist tel. (632) 921-26-75 Metro-Manila, Philippines "The more you know, the more you don't know." ********************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 11:06:50 +0800 From: Joey Valenciano To: wwi Subject: Re: Themes being followed/New Thread Message-ID: <199711250306.LAA01383@fiesta.philonline.com.ph> At 07:53 PM 11/24/97 -0500, you wrote: >I'd be interested in a brief chronological description of the process of >subtracting from a DML 13 to get a 7. I'd be interested in this myself. ********************************************************************* Joey Valenciano WW1 modeller, teacher, jazz musician, joeyval@pusit.admu.edu.ph sitarist tel. (632) 921-26-75 Metro-Manila, Philippines "The more you know, the more you don't know." ********************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 11:06:52 +0800 From: Joey Valenciano To: wwi Subject: Nie Tripe roundels Message-ID: <199711250306.LAA01388@fiesta.philonline.com.ph> Hi all, Where can I get good quality French roundel decals? I need it for the Nieuport Tripe. All the wings have a narrow chord ala Nie 17 subwing and it had roundels on all surfaces of both wings. So I'll be needing 12 small roundels in all, 4 of which should hopefully be slightly larger for the top wing. ********************************************************************* Joey Valenciano WW1 modeller, teacher, jazz musician, joeyval@pusit.admu.edu.ph sitarist tel. (632) 921-26-75 Metro-Manila, Philippines "The more you know, the more you don't know." ********************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 11:27:50 +0800 From: Joey Valenciano To: wwi Subject: Re: Themes being followed /New Thread Message-ID: <199711250327.LAA03774@fiesta.philonline.com.ph> At 10:01 PM 11/24/97 -0500, you wrote: >However I suggest to you that after building that Lot you would build your >Tamiya Wildcat "out of the box"for relief?? > >Oh sorry Have I let the cat out of the bag?? An He219, and now a Wilcat!!!!! Grrrrrr....... A closet off topicict! ********************************************************************* Joey Valenciano WW1 modeller, teacher, jazz musician, joeyval@pusit.admu.edu.ph sitarist tel. (632) 921-26-75 Metro-Manila, Philippines "The more you know, the more you don't know." ********************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 11:27:51 +0800 From: Joey Valenciano To: wwi Subject: Re: New Thread? OK Message-ID: <199711250327.LAA03778@fiesta.philonline.com.ph> At 09:02 PM 11/24/97 -0500, you wrote: >"Marine ace Gotthard Sachsenberg brings his Geschwader to the Baltic, >and along with Theo Osterkamp and Josef(?) Jacobs sees action flying >Junkers monoplanes ( Cl.Is and possibly D.1s) against Red forces in >Courland, Lithuania from their base at Peterfield (in the Spring of >1919)." Any marking, or probable markings for these a/c? There are a few shots of these a/c in the Junkers D.I Datafile but no clear hint of colour scheme or serials. ********************************************************************* Joey Valenciano WW1 modeller, teacher, jazz musician, joeyval@pusit.admu.edu.ph sitarist tel. (632) 921-26-75 Metro-Manila, Philippines "The more you know, the more you don't know." ********************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 12:36:55 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: wwi Subject: RE: Themes being followed /New Thread Message-ID: <199711250345.NAA24399@mimmon.mim.com.au> Okay team, Graham Steel gabbled: >However I suggest to you that after building that Lot you would build your >Tamiya Wildcat "out of the box"for relief?? >Oh sorry Have I let the cat out of the bag?? Who invited you??? Is there some way we could evict this turbulent pest (sic)? ;-) Alright, I've been sprung, I do have, ahem, several, off topic kits on my shelf, but I only buy them to inhale the smell of new styrene between proper WW1 releases. Honest. Before that he mentioned: >Shane suggested that He may like to build all of his collection of DV/Dva >fighters in Jasta 5 colours That would be great Shane then we could put in >a superb display at the next Hobby and Model Expo. He means in a club display at the Expo. This is something the UK members of the list will understand, but my impression is that at USA IPMS regional/nationals the event consists of contest plus vendors, and the non-competetive club and SIG displays are absent. This reminded me of something that the "theme" thread brought to mind. I have the Americals Jasta 5 and Jasta 12 sets. I don't remember exactly how many options are included in each, but the Jasta 12 set provides decals for *about* 50 different aircraft for US$25 No-one, absolutely no-one, gives better value for money - or half so honest and comprehensive instructions. Despite which I will *not* be building all of them !!! Shane ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 22:39:40 -0500 From: John & Allison Cyganowski To: wwi Subject: Re: After market rotaries Message-ID: <347A487C.2F@worldnet.att.net> I used the 9 cylinder LeRhone Atlee resin engine in my Testors Nieuport 17. It was supposed to be for the Morane N, but I cheated. The manifolds are not included and you have to make them. I made mine from solid copper wire bent to shape. The instructions show how this is supposed to look. I drilled holes in the crankcase and glued them in place. After the model was finished, I fretted that the manifolds should be brass instead of copper. Until I took the trip to Rhinebeckthis summer. The Nieuport 11 was in the shop for maintenance, and we were allowed to have a look. The manifold pipes were polished copper on that rotary! I had to use the back edge of my exacto to open up the inside of the cowling to a larger ID until the engine fit. I did not add pushrods, but that was about the only thing I did not do for that model. I am happy with the result. Regards, John ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 19:44:53 -0800 From: Riordan and Michelle Goodwin To: wwi Subject: Re: Themes being followed/New Thread Message-ID: <347A49B5.2074@ricochet.net> Joey Valenciano wrote: > > Anybody have 3views of the Caproni Pensuti Tripe? Is it a fighter? -- --------------------------------------- This e-mail has been brought to you by - Riordan and Michelle Goodwin - ***************************** Great Holiday Gift Ideas at Jewels of the Silk Road http://www.silkroadjewels.com ***************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 14:48:03 +1100 (EST) From: Mick Fauchon To: wwi Cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: New Thread? OK Message-ID: > How about WWII exploits of WWI airmen? Don't forget Gerhard Fieseler and Walter Blume, both of whom went on to become successful aircraft designers, and Kurt Student, who pioneered the paratroop arm. And Willi Gabriel, perennially out of favour with Hermann G., about whom [the latter] no more need be said. And Wolfram von Richthofen, whom we've discussed in earlier posts. To name but a few........80) Cheers, Mick. > It would be nice to match up their WWI and WWII schemes. Does that apply to Hermann G"oring? Schemes appear to have been a apecialty of his......... -- -- Mick Fauchon | Internet: ulmjf@dewey.newcastle.edu.au Reference Section, Auchmuty Library | Ph (intl+61+49) 215861 University of Newcastle, AUSTRALIA | Fax (intl+61+49) 215833 MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM M M M Tasmanian Devil: "#@%!&^*%%...!#@!&**%^@@#$#-+*+*&##@...!!" M M M M Yosemite Sam : "Cut out that Army talk!..Yer in the Navy now!" M M M MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 15:01:43 +1100 (EST) From: Mick Fauchon To: wwi Cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Themes being followed/New Thread Message-ID: Robert and Matt, > << MvR being modeled to death >> > Aha- so that's what really happened. A propos of which there was a brief item on our national tv news last night to the effect that Sgt. Popkin, AIF, was *definitely* the culprit......according to: a) a "new book" [unspecified], b) an interview with his daughter. FWIW.......I don't want to unravel an old thread here! Cheers, Mick. -- -- Mick Fauchon | Internet: ulmjf@dewey.newcastle.edu.au Reference Section, Auchmuty Library | Ph (intl+61+49) 215861 University of Newcastle, AUSTRALIA | Fax (intl+61+49) 215833 MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM M M M Tasmanian Devil: "#@%!&^*%%...!#@!&**%^@@#$#-+*+*&##@...!!" M M M M Yosemite Sam : "Cut out that Army talk!..Yer in the Navy now!" M M M MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 22:04:50 -0800 From: "Charles/Linda Duckworth " To: "ww1list" Subject: Additional Plan books Message-ID: <199711250404.WAA09425@mail.primary.net> Here are three additional books for the 'Sources for WWI Plans' Motorbooks International - Aircraft Archive Aircraft of World War One Volume 1 ISBN 0-85242-983-5 (1989) - Aircraft Archive Aircraft of World War One Volume 2 ISBN 0-85242-984-3 (1989) - Aircraft Archive Aircraft of World War One Volume 1 ISBN 0-85242-998-3 (1989) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 12:54:35 -0500 From: Carlos Valdes To: wwi Subject: A/C cards FS Message-ID: <34771C5B.2F5E@conted.gatech.edu> The Georgia Chapter of the League of WWI Aviation Historians has recently acquired a small number of sets (only six are left, but we can get more) of the WWI aircraft cards put out so far by the Joint Services Philatelic Charities Consortium (as featured in Windsock 12/3 p.11) and is offering them for sale. The set is made up of 36 full-color cards, roughly 4 5/8 by 6 1/2 inches each, with historical information on the back; the "in action" subjects are listed below. As Ray Rimell has written, these cards are quite attractive and vey collectable (I'll be putting my set in a photo album); eventually, a total of 60 will be produced, all of which the chapter hopes to acquire. Purchase of the set will benefit both the Georgia Chapter and the JSPC Fund. The cost is $20 plus shipping (which should be $3 in the States). As the chapter's current treasurer, I am handling the finances, so please e-mail me if interested. TIA. Carlos 1. BE2a 13. Caudron G4 25. Morane N 2. Bleriot XI-2 14. Lloyd C.I 26. DH 2 3. DFW B.II 15. FB5 27. Roland C.II 4. MF 11 16. Rumpler B.I 28. Halberstadt D.II 5. Avro 504 17. Nieuport 10 29. 1 1/2 Strutter 6. Taube 18. SPAD A2 30. Nieuport 11 7. LVG B.I 19. Fokker E.III 31. Brandenburg C.I 8. Albatros B.I 20. Voisin LA 32. Pup 9. Ilya Mourometz 21. Short 184 33. Albatros D.II 10. BE2c 22. Morane L 34. Sopwith Triplane 11. Breguet 2 23. Caproni Ca 3 35. Felixstowe F2a 12. Bristol Scout 24. Lohner L 36. FE2b ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 776 *********************