WWI Digest 775 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Themes being followed/New Thread by NPWE28A@prodigy.com ( KENNETH L HAGERUP) 2) Re: Airbrushing by GRBroman@aol.com 3) Re: Themes being followed/New Thread by Joey Valenciano 4) non-D.VII Udet aircraft by Joey Valenciano 5) Re: Themes being followed/New Thread by Joey Valenciano 6) New Thread? OK by Joey Valenciano 7) Candy striper,I started it, I'm winding it down by Joey Valenciano 8) After market rotaries by Joey Valenciano 9) Re: After market rotaries by Riordan and Michelle Goodwin 10) List Going Down by aew (Allan Wright) 11) Re: Themes being followed/New Thread by fedders 12) Re: Themes being followed/New Thread by Bob Pearson 13) Re: Bloody Udet by "Sandy Adam" 14) New Windsock 13/6 by "Sandy Adam" 15) Re: Themes being followed/New Thread by "Sandy Adam" 16) Re: Lafayette Escadrille ponderance by Charles Hart 17) Re: Bloody Udet by Patrick Padovan 18) Re: Themes being followed/New Thread by huggins@ONRAMP.NET (John Huggins) 19) Re: Bloody Udet by Carlos Valdes 20) Re: Airbrushing by BStett3770@aol.com 21) Re: Themes being followed/New Thread by Redwilde@bdsbbs.com (Redwilde) 22) Re: Themes being followed/New Thread by Redwilde@bdsbbs.com (Redwilde) 23) Re: Lafayette Escadrille ponderance by mbittner@juno.com 24) Re: Themes being followed/New Thread by KarrArt@aol.com 25) Re: Airbrushing by huggins@onramp.net (John Huggins) 26) Re: After market rotaries by mbittner@juno.com 27) Re: Themes being followed/New Thread by mbittner@juno.com 28) Re: Themes being followed/New Thread by Riordan and Michelle Goodwin ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 08:38:36, -0500 From: NPWE28A@prodigy.com ( KENNETH L HAGERUP) To: wwi Subject: Re: Themes being followed/New Thread Message-ID: <199711241338.IAA18582@mime4.prodigy.com> -- [ From: Kenneth Hagerup * EMC.Ver #2.5.3 ] -- I am perpetually starting themes (gives me an excuse to have more than one project underway at once). WWI related Jasta 27 Dr.1s - 3 Revell Dr.1s (So sue me, I like Dr.1s, even all red ones) WWI Armor Matchbox FT-17 - Completed Airfix Mk I - Needs painting Airfix Mk II - Needs painting Emhar Mk IV - Needs painting JMGT St Chamond - Too nervous to start yet Scratchbuilt A7V - Interior completed Non-WWI Battle of Britain Battle of Midway Falklands Hurricanes Spanish Civil War Japanese Special Attack Craft Planes I flew 1/144 Flying boats ICBMs Space launch vehicles US Aircraft Carriers USAF over Vietnam Helos over Vietnam Armor of the Gulf War Israeli Shermans Tunisian campaign et al... Ken -- npwe28a@prodigy.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 09:08:36 -0500 (EST) From: GRBroman@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Airbrushing Message-ID: <971124090836_-1940587446@mrin54.mail.aol.com> In a message dated 97-11-24 07:38:23 EST, you write: << I have just dug out the old badger after a hiatus of perhaps 15 years, and now I am faced with a monumental ignorance of how to use the thing. I suppose I knew once. Are there any good references on care and feeding of airbrushes, airbrush techniques, etc? Particularly in reference to Badger airbrushes, if possible. >> James, Badger have a book on airbrushing with their products. Fine Scale aslo has done anumber of Airbrush articles. I don't have the issue # haandy but it was in the last year. HTH, Glen ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 22:52:11 +0800 From: Joey Valenciano To: wwi Subject: Re: Themes being followed/New Thread Message-ID: <199711241452.WAA02114@fiesta.philonline.com.ph> At 11:21 PM 11/23/97 -0500, you wrote: >Anybody ever seen that JGMT 1/48 SPAD VII? The price is enough to cause heart failure. >Is the quality of the kit any good? Any thoughts on converting the DML SPAD back to a >VII? Why not try the Blue Max kit? >I guess I would also like to do MvR's aircraft, so shoot me! I have that poster that >profiles a lot of his aircraft and I would like to make a 3D version. Ah, I almost started a collection of his planes. Made up one of his tripes (the one that was not completely red. But when I discovered how many other aircraft types Udet flew I lost interest in the Manfred collection. I'm glad I did stick with the Udet theme. He was one who flew from the earliest, up to the end, and beyond. Hope to scratchbuild the Flamingo, it will be a nice to show the non-military side of this aviator. The Hawk II and Fw Stosser (hopefully I can find the exact serial# for this plane), both with swastikas on their tails would show his involvement with this dangerous political party which caused his end. Sometime back, I was starting a collection of WWII seaplanes. Started buying kits along this line. Then I discovered the WWI list (WWI, my real love) and the rest is history. Funny about this "ace theme" thing. I never knew I'd be able discover 15 Udet planes. I don't think it's possible to unearth that many colour schemes/variety of a/c for a pilot in WWII. ********************************************************************* Joey Valenciano WW1 modeller, teacher, jazz musician, joeyval@pusit.admu.edu.ph sitarist tel. (632) 921-26-75 Metro-Manila, Philippines "The more you know, the more you don't know." ********************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 22:52:19 +0800 From: Joey Valenciano To: wwi Subject: non-D.VII Udet aircraft Message-ID: <199711241452.WAA02149@fiesta.philonline.com.ph> Ok, some have had enough of the D.VII controversy, we covered good ground though. This topic may surface again in the future if the peppermint and licorice storm clouds converge again. But may I, for the sake of my Udet series ask: Anyone know what Udet flew before the Eindekker? Was he involved in any 2-seater work as Loerzer and Goering were? What trainer types did he fly? ********************************************************************* Joey Valenciano WW1 modeller, teacher, jazz musician, joeyval@pusit.admu.edu.ph sitarist tel. (632) 921-26-75 Metro-Manila, Philippines "The more you know, the more you don't know." ********************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 22:52:23 +0800 From: Joey Valenciano To: wwi Subject: Re: Themes being followed/New Thread Message-ID: <199711241452.WAA02159@fiesta.philonline.com.ph> At 09:20 PM 11/23/97 -0500, you wrote: >So, how a about it....what are those multiple plane >projects/themes at work out there? I'm trying to form an all tripe collection. In kit form, you've got the Sopwith and Fokker tripes. I'm now making the Nieuport tripe. BTW, The Testor (old Hawk) Nieuport 17 fuselage is just right for this plane. The outline is tolerable when compared with the Nieuport Special drawings. The Nie17 had assymetrical fuselage sides because of the ammo drum. The tripe had symmetrical sides, just like the Testors kit! Other tripes that interest me: Pfalz Dr.I - (thanks Robert) 9 were sent to the front. Levy-Besson "Alerte" - flying boat, 100 built Loyd 40.08 - 3 engined bomber, only one made, probably only did "ground hop" tests. Caproni Pensuti Triplane - real cute w/ 3.75" span in 1/48 Caproni Ca.42 - the BOMBER! Any news about the resin kit? ********************************************************************* Joey Valenciano WW1 modeller, teacher, jazz musician, joeyval@pusit.admu.edu.ph sitarist tel. (632) 921-26-75 Metro-Manila, Philippines "The more you know, the more you don't know." ********************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 22:52:27 +0800 From: Joey Valenciano To: wwi Subject: New Thread? OK Message-ID: <199711241452.WAA02178@fiesta.philonline.com.ph> How about WWII exploits of WWI airmen? Robert Karr gave me this info: Theo Osterkamp- 32 victories in WWI, he formed JG51 in 1939 which later became JG Moelders.By the summer of 1940 he had 6 WW II kills against the British and French and far from being a propaganda tool, Hitler was highly displeased at his flying combat and had him grounded. Harry von Buelow-Bothkamp- 6 WW I kills with Jasta Boelke. In WW II was commander of JG2 and had 18 kills. I also found: Erich Mix - 3/WWI, 13/WWII It would be nice to match up their WWI and WWII schemes. ********************************************************************* Joey Valenciano WW1 modeller, teacher, jazz musician, joeyval@pusit.admu.edu.ph sitarist tel. (632) 921-26-75 Metro-Manila, Philippines "The more you know, the more you don't know." ********************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 22:52:15 +0800 From: Joey Valenciano To: wwi Subject: Candy striper,I started it, I'm winding it down Message-ID: <199711241452.WAA02134@fiesta.philonline.com.ph> After all the banter on the subject, here's the way I see his plane. Parallel striped wing RED fuselage (Bob Pearson's jasta leader theory, also, he had other red planes). Probably with black nose, probably with blk/wht longerons. The turtleback reflects too much light. The longerons may be there. I may draw up a number of profiles of these schemes before I finally decide. An the decision I make will be one of taste. ********************************************************************* Joey Valenciano WW1 modeller, teacher, jazz musician, joeyval@pusit.admu.edu.ph sitarist tel. (632) 921-26-75 Metro-Manila, Philippines "The more you know, the more you don't know." ********************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 23:01:46 +0800 From: Joey Valenciano To: wwi Subject: After market rotaries Message-ID: <199711241501.XAA03494@fiesta.philonline.com.ph> Hi all, A non-Udet query: I've got the Eduard Sopwith Pup and I'd like to buy an engine to replace the one that comes with the kit. The Eduard engine comes with flat manifolds that just won't do. What would be the best replacement engine to get? Aeroclub? Do they include manifold's? Are the pushrods moulded on (hope not)? Atlee? How do the Atlee engines compare to Aeroclub? Any other brands to reccommend? I'd like to know soon. Thanks ********************************************************************* Joey Valenciano WW1 modeller, teacher, jazz musician, joeyval@pusit.admu.edu.ph sitarist tel. (632) 921-26-75 Metro-Manila, Philippines "The more you know, the more you don't know." ********************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 08:31:25 -0800 From: Riordan and Michelle Goodwin To: wwi Subject: Re: After market rotaries Message-ID: <3479ABDD.4E71@ricochet.net> Joey Valenciano wrote: > > Hi all, > > A non-Udet query: > > I've got the Eduard Sopwith Pup and I'd like to buy an engine to replace the > one that comes with the kit. The Eduard engine comes with flat manifolds > that just won't do. > > What would be the best replacement engine to get? > > Aeroclub? Do they include manifold's? Are the pushrods moulded on (hope not)? Joey, The Aeroclub 80 hp Mono has moulded pushrods, but fair to good manifolds. HTH, Riordan >********************************************************************* > > Joey Valenciano WW1 modeller, teacher, jazz musician, > joeyval@pusit.admu.edu.ph sitarist > tel. (632) 921-26-75 > Metro-Manila, Philippines > > "The more you know, the more you don't know." > > ********************************************************************* -- --------------------------------------- This e-mail has been brought to you by - Riordan and Michelle Goodwin - ***************************** Great Holiday Gift Ideas at Jewels of the Silk Road http://www.silkroadjewels.com ***************************** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 12:12:35 -0500 (EST) From: aew (Allan Wright) To: wwi Subject: List Going Down Message-ID: <199711241712.MAA01095@pease1.sr.unh.edu> Hi all, The list will be down temporarilly this afternoon. My machine needs to be used for a demo in an office without an ethernet feed. It should be back up by 4:30 pm EST. Also, I'll be on vacation from Nov 26 through Dec 2. The list will be on auto-pilot. Things should run normally, if the list hangs up I'll fix it on December 3rd. Play nice while I'm gone! Thanks, Allan Wright - List administrator =============================================================================== Allan Wright Jr. | You fell victim to one of the 'classic' blunders! University of New Hampshire+--------------------------------------------------- Research Computing Center | WWI Modeling mailing list: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Internet: aew@unh.edu | WWI Modeling WWW Page: http://pease1.sr.unh.edu =============================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 12:46:10 -0600 (CST) From: fedders To: wwi Cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Themes being followed/New Thread Message-ID: On Sun, 23 Nov 1997, John & Allison Cyganowski wrote: > Well, I built Soubiran's Nieuport 17, and I would kind of like to do his other aircraft > as well. I think his SPAD VII looks pretty cool. Parsons' book has pictures and > profile drawings so I don't have to research too hard. > > Anybody ever seen that JGMT 1/48 SPAD VII? The price is enough to cause heart failure. > Is the quality of the kit any good? Any thoughts on converting the DML SPAD back to a > VII? > > I guess I would also like to do MvR's aircraft, so shoot me! I have that poster that > profiles a lot of his aircraft and I would like to make a 3D version. > > I have also started a collection of aircraft that my Dad flew. Not WWI obviously. > > John > I bought the JGMT SPAD 17 but have not built it yet. However, the kit look pretty good - about like the JGMT Hanriots. Not worth the money unless you really wnat it and then it is worth the price peter fedders ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 12:36:05 -0800 From: Bob Pearson To: WW1 Mailing list Subject: Re: Themes being followed/New Thread Message-ID: <20360512929927@KAIEN.COM> Matt et al, Well colour plates of these Jastas are possible, all I need are the photos :-) Regards, Bob Pearson ---------- > From: mbittner@juno.com >Plus, how many have built models from one of the "higher" > Jasta's, like 62 or 63? > > Granted, I realize that part of the problem is that most reference > materials are on these Jasta's, but still...there are photo's out there > of planes from the other Jasta's. Just few color plates. > > Well, my $.02, FWIW. > > > Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 19:35:14 -0000 From: "Sandy Adam" To: Subject: Re: Bloody Udet Message-ID: <199711241849.SAA06161@beryl.sol.co.uk> I > IMO, every member of this list, and anyone with a serious interest in > WWI aviation, should get down on his knees before a photo of MvR and his > red triplane, ..... > Carlos Do you wear your German aviator's flying coat when you are doing this, Carlos? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 19:47:51 -0000 From: "Sandy Adam" To: "AAA - WW1 Group" Subject: New Windsock 13/6 Message-ID: <199711241849.SAA06164@beryl.sol.co.uk> Just got the new Windsock this morning. I assume the Robert Karr (of California) is our RK and if so - superb diorama, Robert. I am sure you have had plenty of superlatives but let me add my congrats anyway. What do you do with a subject this size when its finished? No, serious question - do you build for eventual museum display, or do you have a large display room yourself, (or do they end up in the loft?) Well done again! The rest of the issue is excellent too! Sandy ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 19:12:00 -0000 From: "Sandy Adam" To: Subject: Re: Themes being followed/New Thread Message-ID: <199711241849.SAA06158@beryl.sol.co.uk> > > Anybody ever seen that JGMT 1/48 SPAD VII? The price is enough to cause heart failure. > Is the quality of the kit any good? Any thoughts on converting the DML SPAD back to a > VII? > > John Well ..... When I was about to start my Blue Max SPAD VII (good kit but very thick trailing edges on my example), DML kits were in free fall here and I stocked up with three or four Rickenbacker XIIIs. I had to do Vieux Charles with the BM but I liked the idea of the RFC subject on the kit's transfers too (CDL - change from all that PC10). So one of the DMLs is now a VII sitting resplendent in my glass case with roundels. During the conversion, I used the BM (which is very accurate) as a master and chopped and cut the DML bits to mirror every stage of BM construction. The wings were pretty time consuming but as I was having to file and sand new trailing edges on the BM anyway it didn't seem so much extra. Hardest part was forward fuselage - especially those lovely PE covers having to go - -ah well! Anyway it didn't take too long and I am delighted with the results. Sandy ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 14:29:54 -0700 From: Charles Hart To: wwi Subject: Re: Lafayette Escadrille ponderance Message-ID: >FMP has me questioning an aspect of the undersides of the camouflaged >Nie.11's and Nie.16's of the French service, especially in regarding th >LE. Glen Merrill and others think that the camo'ed Nieuports were >painted blue underneath. The color plates in the FMP book have the >undersides as CDL/Yellow. i tend to believe the blue, but FMP has me >questioning enough to ask the list. > I don't know where or how Glen Merrill developed his idea of light blue for Nieuport undersides. To me, it makes no sense since light blue is a colour not found in subsequent French a/c finishes. The green and brown are found later in the 5-color painted schemes and yellow is found in the "yellow" period of French a/c finishes. I might cast a vote for silver/aluminum colored dope for the undersides of the early camo'ed Nieuports. The Camo was the first use of protective finishes on French machines and one could reason that manufacturers went all the way with protecting the machine's finish with protective dopes all round. My US$ 0.02 worth. Charles hartc@spot.colorado.edu ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 13:34:58 -0800 (PST) From: Patrick Padovan To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Bloody Udet Message-ID: Gentlemen, gentlemen, gentlemen: Let's not get all hot and bothered over this issue, or any other. Obviously some members of the list will be interested in topics that do not interest all other members. I personally have found the Udet discussion very interesting, and enlightening. And it seems to me that this is exactly the kind of discussion that the list is for. It is why I'm here, at any rate. I'm not interested in many of the other threads that develop here, but I just skip through them, as I expect others to do when they encounter threads that don't interest them. But I do get uncomfortable when it seems like the tone is getting mean, and personal in some cases. Can we please skip a rehash of the "Sandy vs. Carlos" bout? Many of us are equally interested in the Central Powers personalities and a/c, as we are in those of the Allies. I think that we- those equally interested in both- make up the majority of the list, so let's not re-enact the war here, okay? (Standing by to duck!) Regards, Patrick ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Patrick Padovan Interlibrary Loan Associate Timberland Regional Library Voice: 360-943-5001 415 Airdustrial Way SW FAX: 360-586-6838 Olympia, WA 98501-5799 e-mail: ppadovan@timberland.lib.wa.us ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 14:32:25 -0600 From: huggins@ONRAMP.NET (John Huggins) To: wwi Subject: Re: Themes being followed/New Thread Message-ID: >John & Allison Cyganowski wrote: snip >> >> Anybody ever seen that JGMT 1/48 SPAD VII? The price is enough to cause >>heart failure. >> Is the quality of the kit any good? Any thoughts on converting the DML >>SPAD back to a >> VII? I have the JGMT kit but haven't started it yet. It is very high quality resin casting. It has a two part fuselage. The upper decking from the cockpit opening forward and cowl ring are cast as one part, with the rest of the fuselage cast as the other part. The dry fit of these parts is very good. There is a fair amount of cockpit detail included on the castings. Parts breakdown is as follows: Resin: Wings, Fuselage,, upper decking, stabilizor/elevator, fin/rudder, seat(wooden) and wheels. White Metal: Headrest, Cont. collum (stick), Gun, Prop, exhaust stack, ehaust pipe, petrol duct, all struts, axle, and map holder. Photo Etch. Seat bearing(support) rudder bar, gas handle, belt buckles, engine bearing, MG Drumb, footstep, control horns/bellcranks, Stab. Struts, ehaust brackets, and radiator gills. Decals for : Adj. Henriot SPA 65 "Griffon bondissant" No 1379, SPA 84 "Tete de renard"No 1717, SPA 81 "Levriers" No 3158, Capt Chevillon SPA 15 "Casque de Bayard" No 3103, Sgt. Tucker SPA 15 "Casque de Bayard" no a/c number and Capt. Guynemer SPA 3 "Cigones" No 254. The flyer in the box indicates the following resin kits as being available also: Hanriot HD 1 (revised and updated kit) Bloch 152 C1 Hanriot HD 2 (4 versions w/wheels or floats, 4 rudders, decals for 6 a/c inc US and French Navy during and after WWI) John Disclaimer: Any errors in spelling, tact, or fact are transmission errors. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 17:07:32 -0500 From: Carlos Valdes To: wwi Subject: Re: Bloody Udet Message-ID: <2.2.32.19971124220732.006ed120@conted.swann.gatech.edu> >Do you wear your German aviator's flying coat when you are doing this, >Carlos? I wish I had one--those things are expensive. Ditto for pilot badges. Good things most books and models are still affordable. Carlos ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 17:43:35 -0500 (EST) From: BStett3770@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Airbrushing Message-ID: <971124174332_163508083@mrin86.mail.aol.com> Hi James Best place to find how to info on airbrushing is FSM magazine, they ran some good how to do a few years back. (Last year I think) (any one have the copies?) Best rule of thumb for the thinning of paint is 2 parts paint to one thinner. This should get you spraying with most any hobby paints. >From there just do some test spraying on a older hanger queen till you get used to it again. It's really not hard to master. Some of the others may have a thing or two to add. (Ira?) Keep Modeling Barry Rosemont Hobby ------------------------------ Date: 24 Nov 1997 17:48:58 EDT From: Redwilde@bdsbbs.com (Redwilde) To: wwi Subject: Re: Themes being followed/New Thread Message-ID: <88041179554029@bdsbbs.com> Matt wrote: >Granted, I realize that part of the problem is that most reference materials are on these Jasta's, but still...there are photo's out there of planes from the other Jasta's. Just few color plates. The availability of info is one reason why I've covered these Jastas in detail. Another is that I use the planes for gaming and have published a supplement book with 101 historical scenarios drawn from pilot biographies and flight reports. In general the encounters that get reported in detail are the ones that include kills. The ace pilots are the ones the get the majority of the kills. Refighting historical battles from April 1917 means that theres about a 75% chance that Jasta 11 is doing the killing for the German side. Writing a book of historical scenarios means that Jasta 11 is involved a lot. However, the painted squadrons I mentioned were ones with more than my usual six planes (except Jasta 2 where I forgot to mention I also had a flight of Albatros D.IIs for it). For somewhat lesser doen Jastas I've also done up: Albatri & Dr.Is from Jasta 12 D.VIIs from Jasta 35 Pfalz from Jasta 30 Some small flights get painted up just because the squadron had a cool insignia to paint, like the plumed helmet of Escadrille Spa.26. For these lesser known units, I frequently have to invent personal insignia for each aircraft. I prefer using actual ones when I can get them. Brian RW ------------------------------ Date: 24 Nov 1997 17:53:54 EDT From: Redwilde@bdsbbs.com (Redwilde) To: wwi Subject: Re: Themes being followed/New Thread Message-ID: <88041203694030@bdsbbs.com> Joey wrote: >Caproni Ca.42 - the BOMBER! Any news about the resin kit? No news on the resin front, but I will eventually do a 1/285th one in metal. I've already had the struts cast up as the first step towards making the master figure. Brian RW ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 15:52:20 -0600 From: mbittner@juno.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Lafayette Escadrille ponderance Message-ID: <19971124.155221.10830.3.mbittner@juno.com> On Mon, 24 Nov 1997 16:31:47 -0500 Charles Hart writes: > I don't know where or how Glen Merrill developed his idea of > light blue for Nieuport undersides. To me, it makes no sense > since light blue is a colour not found in subsequent French a/c > finishes. The green and brown are found later in the 5-color > painted schemes and yellow is found in the "yellow" period of > French a/c finishes. I might cast a vote for silver/aluminum > colored dope for the undersides of the early camo'ed Nieuports. > The Camo was the first use of protective finishes on French > machines and one could reason that manufacturers went all the > way with protecting the machine's finish with protective dopes > all round. The following excerpt could be found in a US National Archives report, reprinted first in C&C Vol 20 No 1, and in the Datafile part 1: "Photographs Nos. 16 and 17 give a very good example of this painting of the baby Nieuport. This same machine has its lower surfaces painteed sky-blue." Granted, one machine is definitely not the rule, but there is proof. However, I do not agree with the silver dope. The following from Alan Toelle, Windsock Vol 3 No 3: "Yet there is no mention of aluminium pigments being used prior to about mid-1916, which was the time of intruduction of the bright silver finish. If aluminium pigment had been used earlier in conjunction with coloured pigments, it most certainly would have been mentioned in the literature." Also from the Datafile Special: "Thus far a definitive set of patterns and representative colour matches have eluded enthusiasts but it seems likely that drab greens and browns were applied over the clear doped/yellow finish." Sure, there is no proof one way or the other, but I would personally lean toward yellow/CDL or sky-blue, and not aluminum. Most artists whom have represented Nieuport 11's and 16's stick with the yellow/CDL, and not the aluminum (the latest In Action doesn't count :-)). However, there has been enough questions raised (at least in the reading) as to wonder if there was a sky-blue appliead at any time, or if it was pilot preference. So, in light of the previous argument, was Johnson's Nieuport yellow or blue underneath? :-) Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 13:31:39 -0500 (EST) From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Themes being followed/New Thread Message-ID: <971124133138_1305984773@mrin39> In a message dated 97-11-24 06:15:13 EST, mbittner@juno.com writes: << MvR being modeled to death >> Aha- so that's what really happened. Robert ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 17:50:16 -0600 From: huggins@onramp.net (John Huggins) To: wwi Subject: Re: Airbrushing Message-ID: >Hi James > >Best place to find how to info on airbrushing is FSM magazine, they ran some >good how to do a few years back. (Last year I think) (any one have the >copies?) > >Best rule of thumb for the thinning of paint is 2 parts paint to one thinner. >This should get you spraying with most any hobby paints. >>From there just do some test spraying on a older hanger queen till you get >used to it again. It's really not hard to master. > >Some of the others may have a thing or two to add. (Ira?) I have been using the old paint to thinner ratio of "the consistancy of whole milk" for a number of years now (40 plus). Some colors require more thinner than others. That is why I don/\'t like the percentage ratios. I don't have to measure anything, just eyeball the mixture. I know it is not nuts on, but it works for me. Another tip is to never mix thinned paint with a bottle of unthinned paint. I just trash any paint that is left in the color cup when finished. I also learned along time ago that just about anything will work for clean-up, but stay with the thinner the original paint manufacturer produces for their paints. John John Disclaimer: Any errors in spelling, tact, or fact are transmission errors. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 17:30:10 -0600 From: mbittner@juno.com To: wwi Subject: Re: After market rotaries Message-ID: <19971124.173914.10918.1.mbittner@juno.com> On Mon, 24 Nov 1997 09:59:44 -0500 Joey Valenciano writes: > Aeroclub? Do they include manifold's? Are the pushrods moulded > on (hope not)? The Aeroclub's I have seen all have everything molded in situ. > Atlee? How do the Atlee engines compare to Aeroclub? Impressive! I have the Atlee BMW and Mercedes, and they are way better than Aeroclub. Granted, they never made rotories in the correct scale, so I can't comment on those. :-) > Any other brands to reccommend? Roseplane does some. Engines -N- Things do as well. Granted, these are all in the correct scale, so I have no clue about you Balloon Brailler's. :-) Hey, there is no Udet in the scale war. Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 17:26:55 -0600 From: mbittner@juno.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Themes being followed/New Thread Message-ID: <19971124.173914.10918.0.mbittner@juno.com> On Mon, 24 Nov 1997 09:56:01 -0500 Joey Valenciano writes: > I'm trying to form an all tripe collection. In kit form, you've > got the Sopwith and Fokker tripes. I'm now making the Nieuport > tripe. BTW, The Testor (old Hawk) Nieuport 17 fuselage is just > right for this plane. The outline is tolerable when compared > with the Nieuport Special drawings. The Nie17 had assymetrical > fuselage sides because of the ammo drum. The tripe had > symmetrical sides, just like the Testors kit! Rosemont does a complete Nie.Triplane kit. Plus it's in the right scale! There was also an example of a Nie.Triplane using the Nie.17bis fuselage. Plus, there was an example using what appears to be a Nie.10 fuselage. Looks like you have your work cut out for you, Joey. :-) Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 16:50:24 -0800 From: Riordan and Michelle Goodwin To: wwi Subject: Re: Themes being followed/New Thread Message-ID: <347A20D0.2A88@ricochet.net> Sandy Adam wrote: > > During the conversion, I used the BM (which is very accurate) as a master > and chopped and cut the DML bits to mirror every stage of BM construction. > The wings were pretty time consuming but as I was having to file and sand > new trailing edges on the BM anyway it didn't seem so much extra. > > Hardest part was forward fuselage - especially those lovely PE covers > having to go - -ah well! > > Anyway it didn't take too long and I am delighted with the results. Sandy, my hat is off to you! I guess if I'd started with a DML kit as the basis for my conversion I might not have been put off. I'd be interested in a brief chronological description of the process of subtracting from a DML 13 to get a 7. I may yet just have to get a BM Spad. It's always easier to have a good 3-D model when attempting major cosmetic surgery Cheers, Riordan -- --------------------------------------- This e-mail has been brought to you by - Riordan and Michelle Goodwin - ***************************** Great Holiday Gift Ideas at Jewels of the Silk Road http://www.silkroadjewels.com ***************************** ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 775 *********************