WWI Digest 771 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Udet's D-VII by Joey Valenciano 2) Re: Udet's D-VII by Joey Valenciano 3) Re: Udet D-VII Candy Stripes - A Conclusion by Joey Valenciano 4) Re: Udet's D-VII by "William B. Bacon, Jr." 5) Re: Aeroclub 1/48 Bristol Fighter by "Sandy Adam" 6) Re: Aeroclub 1/48 Bristol Fighter by "Sandy Adam" 7) Re: Udet's D.VII by Patrick Padovan 8) Re: Udet's D-VII by Patrick Padovan 9) Re: Udet's D.VII by Charles Hart 10) Sandy: re bi-scaler questionaire: by Patrick Padovan 11) Re: Udet's D-VII by "William B. Bacon, Jr." 12) Re: Udet D-VII Candy Stripes - A Conclusion by Patrick Padovan 13) Re: Books found on the net by Alberto Rada 14) Re: Hasagawa DVII by KarrArt@aol.com 15) RE: Aeroclub 1/48 Bristol Fighter by Shane Weier 16) RE: Posted Images by Shane Weier 17) RE: Aeroclub 1/48 Bristol Fighter by Shane Weier 18) RE: Udet's D.VII by Shane Weier 19) RE: Aeroclub 1/48 Bristol Fighter by Shane Weier 20) Re: Udet D-VII Candy Stripes - A Conclusion by mgoodwin@ricochet.net 21) last shot at CD-ROM by KarrArt@aol.com 22) Re: Shane's Bible. by "Tom Werner Hansen" 23) Re: Udet's D-VII by bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) 24) Re: Udet's D-VII by TPTPUMPER@aol.com 25) RE: Shane's Bible. by Shane Weier 26) Back in the groove by "Randy J. Ray" 27) Re: Aeroclub 1/48 Bristol Fighter by DavidL1217@aol.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 00:19:05 +0800 From: Joey Valenciano To: wwi Subject: Re: Udet's D-VII Message-ID: <199711211619.AAA29328@fiesta.philonline.com.ph> Hi Bill, At 11:29 PM 11/20/97 -0500, you wrote: >I have a 1974 book, "Veteran and Vintage Aircraft", which confirms >that Udet's Hawk II was at Krakow in the early '70's. To quote >the listing: > >"Curtiss Hawk II (Wright Cyclone) D316. One of a pair purchased >1933, flown by Ernst Udet. "Iris" crashed in 1934 so this must >be "Irtis". Fuselage covering almost entirely missing but 1936 >Olympic badge clearly visable." So the 2 aircraft were D-IRIS AND D-IRTIS? IRTIS, a 5 letter designation? Where is the Olympic badge found? Starboard front fuselage? Anyone know of the markings of the FW56 Strosser Udet flew? ********************************************************************* Joey Valenciano WW1 modeller, teacher, jazz musician, joeyval@pusit.admu.edu.ph sitarist tel. (632) 921-26-75 Metro-Manila, Philippines "The more you know, the more you don't know." ********************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 00:19:11 +0800 From: Joey Valenciano To: wwi Subject: Re: Udet's D-VII Message-ID: <199711211619.AAA29338@fiesta.philonline.com.ph> Hi Ken, At 11:10 PM 11/20/97 -0500, you wrote: >> >The picture of Udet in front of the Albatros in the JG 1 Special is >> >cropped so most of the fuselage is not shown. >> >> Surely you mean Fokker and not Albatros. >> And you are still talking about the candy striper here? > >Bill is referring to an Albatros D.V. I can scan this for you if you >like. I have the JGI (Flying Circus) Special. On what page is there a photo of Udet in front of an Albatros? Or are you referring to another book? If so, I would be grateful if you could scan for me. ********************************************************************* Joey Valenciano WW1 modeller, teacher, jazz musician, joeyval@pusit.admu.edu.ph sitarist tel. (632) 921-26-75 Metro-Manila, Philippines "The more you know, the more you don't know." ********************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 00:40:13 +0800 From: Joey Valenciano To: wwi Subject: Re: Udet D-VII Candy Stripes - A Conclusion Message-ID: <199711211640.AAA31921@fiesta.philonline.com.ph> Hi Kevin et al, At 07:04 AM 11/21/97 -0500, you wrote: >The stripes weren't parallel. As far as can be discerned, >Udet's upper wing was painted with stripes that created a false >perspective. Thanks for conducting the experiment. Looking at the "du doch nicht" photo it really does show that the lines were not parallel. As to maintenance crews being to busy for fancy paint jobs, how about this theory: Maybe parallel lines ala Kirschstein's Tripe were intended but errors in measurement caused them to paint it unintentionally with (as it has been put) a "false perspective". Now we can move on to the red vs. black issue. ********************************************************************* Joey Valenciano WW1 modeller, teacher, jazz musician, joeyval@pusit.admu.edu.ph sitarist tel. (632) 921-26-75 Metro-Manila, Philippines "The more you know, the more you don't know." ********************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 10:42:49 -0600 From: "William B. Bacon, Jr." To: wwi Subject: Re: Udet's D-VII Message-ID: <3475BA09.7701@netjava.net> n), the candy stripe ans the beautiful one with the longerons outlined in black and white (in the JG 1 Special). More as I find it. Cheers, Bill B. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 18:03:08 -0000 From: "Sandy Adam" To: Subject: Re: Aeroclub 1/48 Bristol Fighter Message-ID: <199711211753.RAA07435@beryl.sol.co.uk> > You have a scratchbuilt Biff? So why do you want a short run injection > kit which will surely pale into insignificance beside it? ;-) > Yep and I am very proud of it! but it dates from the mid-seventies when I was scratching everything around - another plug here for my FE2b article in Scale Models way back in 1977! Can it really be twenty years??? These models were all made with the invaluable help of Harry Woodman's "Scale Model Aircraft in Plastic Card" and use the "folding wing technique" for manufacturing good WW1 aerofoil wings. Now this consisted, at the time, of making thin balsa wing cores and folding scored plastic wing outers around them. attachment was by sealing the wood and using double-sided Sellotape to bond the wing outers to the core. Amazingly twenty years on, the wings are still tightly shut. But I now notice a slight warp has developed in one of the F2b's ailerons. Aaaaargghhh! Are they going to self-destruct?? I suppose I am lucky to have had these for all this time, but they have been in glass cases and not handled. Unfortunately a house move four years ago resulted in them being stored in the attic for several months and I think temperature changes have had an effect. When I look at the Fee and think of the days I spent stretching and attaching sprue for the bird's nest rigging, I cannot contemplate the thing falling apart. But I suppose the real RFC riggers felt something the same when Lt Clumsy whumped his Fee down too hard and sent it back to the rigging shop!. Sandy ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 18:18:16 -0000 From: "Sandy Adam" To: Subject: Re: Aeroclub 1/48 Bristol Fighter Message-ID: <199711211753.RAA07438@beryl.sol.co.uk> > Either way, I pay $38.00 US for Aeroclub and if I'm lucky, $40.00 US > for BM kits. Extremely high prices considering what you get, but still the > only game in town for some subjects. Why does anybody outside the UK, buy BM anywhere but direct from Chris Gannon? You pay by Credit Card and thereby incur no commission charges and get a good exchange rate; I am sure he still does post-free anywhere, therefore pay exactly the same for BM in the US as I do in the UK. ie about $30-35 depending on GBP/USD. John Adams is a perfectionist and makes his models to suit himself without considering the economics. If you saw how many RE8 wings he had to throw away to meet his standards, given the problems he had with the injection equipment, you would not mind his prices! Having said that, I think we may have seen the last of the Eduards bonanza once they have fulfilled the Nie, and Alb D.III (and hopefully HD-1) commitments. Eduard started making fairly rough kits in a post-communist low cost economy. The Czech Republic has changed dramatically over the last two years and I am sure cheap labour is becoming much rarer. They have evidently had major problems with flooding and will have to re-equip with expensive modern technology. Hence the sell-off of remaining old stock, hence the change to higher volume WW2 and jets. I fervently hope I am wrong - but the latest flier I have seen from the UK importer mentions no WW1 new releases at all - Bell X-1's, Ilyushin Il-2s etc, which leave me cold. So if you want a BE2e, or a DH5 or an AW FK8 - support John while you can... Sandy ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 11:25:23 -0800 (PST) From: Patrick Padovan To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Udet's D.VII Message-ID: Dear Bob & Charles: re the non-parallel looking wing stripes: well, they Do look non-parallel in the photo, don't they? They sure do to me. Bob, your post did go through the first time, and its an excellent point. I saw the letter pointing out the non-parallel looking stripes, and D.S.A.'s reply, when it originally appeared in print. I'm just not sure that I buy it, is all. I'm no expert, and I sure don't pretend to be, so I'm not saying D.S.A.'s theory about perspective accounting for the non-parallel appearing stripes isn't correct, I'm only saying that having read it and thought about it, and then eye-balled the photo again, I'm not convinced. Perhaps if I was an expert on such things, I would be. All I can say for sure is, those stripes sure do look non-parallel. Charles: I don't think anyone is suggesting that the painter(s) of the stripes did any geometry to determine how to achieve an actual optical illusion. But there's plenty of evidence that there existed a popular concept that such an illusion could be achieved by "false perspective." We see this, for example, in some of the RFC's experimental roundel placement schemes, where one wing roundel was placed further inboard than the other, in an attempt to "throw off an enemy pilot's aim." I'm not saying it worked, just that the idea was out there in the world. I see no reason why it should be asumed that painting the stripes "off-kilter" would be any more far fetched than painting them evenly. In fact, from my own experience at trying to paint even, parallel lines, I can testify that painting them off-kilter is much easier! Regards, Patrick ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Patrick Padovan Interlibrary Loan Associate Timberland Regional Library Voice: 360-943-5001 415 Airdustrial Way SW FAX: 360-586-6838 Olympia, WA 98501-5799 e-mail: ppadovan@timberland.lib.wa.us ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 11:36:10 -0800 (PST) From: Patrick Padovan To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Udet's D-VII Message-ID: Dear Bill: re "candy-striped" question: I used to get licorice sticks from the local store that were black-and-white striped. They had at least a half dozen glass jars, each with a different flavor of candy stick, and each flavor was a different color, striped with white. Peppermint was red-and-white, licorice black-and-white, lemon yellow-and-white, and so on. So, if whatever the color may have been, can't we keep using the phrase, "candy-striped?" What do you think? having a second childhood, Patrick ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Patrick Padovan Interlibrary Loan Associate Timberland Regional Library Voice: 360-943-5001 415 Airdustrial Way SW FAX: 360-586-6838 Olympia, WA 98501-5799 e-mail: ppadovan@timberland.lib.wa.us ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 12:50:10 -0700 From: Charles Hart To: wwi Subject: Re: Udet's D.VII Message-ID: Patrick writes: > Charles: I don't think >anyone is suggesting that the painter(s) of the stripes did any geometry >to determine how to achieve an actual optical illusion. But there's plenty >of evidence that there existed a popular concept that such an illusion >could be achieved by "false perspective." We see this, for example, in >some of the RFC's experimental roundel placement schemes, where one wing >roundel was placed further inboard than the other, in an attempt to "throw >off an enemy pilot's aim." I'm not saying it worked, just that the idea >was out there in the world. I see no reason why it should be asumed that >painting the stripes "off-kilter" would be any more far fetched than >painting them evenly. In fact, from my own experience at trying to paint >even, parallel lines, I can testify that painting them off-kilter is much >easier! Of course, the idea of creating false perspective predates WW I by several centuries. I don't deny that men in the German air service had the knowledge, or even the idea to create such an illusion. My point is that they probably had more important things to do that create false perspectives with stripes on one pilot's aircraft. Like Rob noted earlier, the RFC geometric schemes were created in England as an experiment by folks away from the front line. I would suggest that any non-parallell character on the stripes of Udet's short-lived D-VII was the result of the rush to paint them and get on with business. I think it notable that this was the only machine, out of three D-VIIs to be so adorned. My US$ 0.02 Charles hartc@spot.colorado.edu ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 12:00:05 -0800 (PST) From: Patrick Padovan To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Sandy: re bi-scaler questionaire: Message-ID: Dear Sandy: recalling your request for the opinion of bi-scaler modellers with regards to the relative merits of 1/48 & 1/72, I'm wondering if you reached any conclusions which you'd care to share with the list? Regards, Patrick ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Patrick Padovan Interlibrary Loan Associate Timberland Regional Library Voice: 360-943-5001 415 Airdustrial Way SW FAX: 360-586-6838 Olympia, WA 98501-5799 e-mail: ppadovan@timberland.lib.wa.us ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 14:10:49 -0600 From: "William B. Bacon, Jr." To: wwi Subject: Re: Udet's D-VII Message-ID: <3475EAC9.19E9@netjava.net> We sure can. I just wondered who was first off the blocks with the term. I just thought that in the general case, "candy striped" would connote "red & white" and as such pretty much locked in the red and white we "love" so well. I gues I'll do it both ways that way I'll be "right" until someone argues for orange and white or some other combination. For those of you who have seen or seen the picture of the winning Albatros at the Nats, do the markings have any basis in fact? This question is in no way meant to question the award which was justified using the IPMS Rule Book. The workmanship was impeccable. To my knowledge, Udet was the only one to use "LO" on his a/c and I have seen a profile or description of and Albatros marked like that. I wonder if this is a case of "my a/c would have been marked like this". As I remember, marks are neither gained or lost regarding marking accuracy but overall finish is what counts. I guess only "we chosen few" would raise the question. Cheers, Bill B. Patrick Padovan wrote: > > Dear Bill: re "candy-striped" question: I used to get licorice sticks from > the local store that were black-and-white striped. They had at least a > half dozen glass jars, each with a different flavor of candy stick, and > each flavor was a different color, striped with white. Peppermint was > red-and-white, licorice black-and-white, lemon yellow-and-white, and so > on. So, if whatever the color may have been, can't we keep using the > phrase, "candy-striped?" What do you think? > having a second childhood, > Patrick > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Patrick Padovan > Interlibrary Loan Associate > > Timberland Regional Library Voice: 360-943-5001 > 415 Airdustrial Way SW FAX: 360-586-6838 > Olympia, WA 98501-5799 e-mail: ppadovan@timberland.lib.wa.us > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 12:19:31 -0800 (PST) From: Patrick Padovan To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Udet D-VII Candy Stripes - A Conclusion Message-ID: Dear Kevin: Very impressive! But . . . I have to say that I'm still keeping an open mind. The stripes sure look off-center in the photo, and while your experiment is indeed very impressive, I can't say that I'm finally convinvinced by it, any more than I have been by the arguments about perspective, etcetera. I guess I'll flip a coin when it comes time to do the model, or just make an aesthetic decision when the time comes. Still, I will personally give a lot of thought to your results when making that decision. regards, Patrick ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Patrick Padovan Interlibrary Loan Associate Timberland Regional Library Voice: 360-943-5001 415 Airdustrial Way SW FAX: 360-586-6838 Olympia, WA 98501-5799 e-mail: ppadovan@timberland.lib.wa.us ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 16:38:43 -0400 From: Alberto Rada To: wwi Subject: Re: Books found on the net Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19971121163843.00d8f8a4@pop.true.net> Thanks Graham I am going to give it a shot SALUDOS ALBERTO At 08:21 AM 21-11-97 -0500, you wrote: >Found at http://www.kentnet.co.uk/fsfish/aviation.htm > >EB70 Fighter Aircraft Of The 1914-1918 War by W M Lamberton Et Al Pub >Harleyford Publications, 1960. 224pp red >cloth boards, Very Good/Very Good =A3 12.00=20 > >EB69 Marine Aircraft Of The 1914-1918 War by Heinz J Nowarra Et Al Pub >Harleyford 1966. 210pp red cloth boards, >Very Good, d/w Very Good =A3 12.00=20 > >Plus a number of WW1 Profile Publications > >I have no connection to this firm and I have no idea if they still have >the books in stock,but I hope they do ;^) > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 15:54:28 -0500 (EST) From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Hasagawa DVII Message-ID: <971121155428_1726883131@mrin51.mail.aol.com> In a message dated 97-11-21 04:48:15 EST, ppadovan@timberland.lib.wa.us writes: << Dear Tim: Please do me a favor: when you get your Has.D-VII, will you please post to the list a confirmation that it is indeed the DML kit, and would you also let us know what the box art looks like, and what kind of decals are included? Thanks awfully! Regards, Patrick >> Greetings as I type this while looking at a "loaner" monitor from the repair shop.About the Hasegawa D VII- Right now I'm looking at Windsock Vol.9 No.4 page 28. July/August 1993. On this page is a review of the Hasegawa/Monogram kit.There is a picture of the box and one can clearly read both logos.This kit is indeed the old Aurora/Monogram model with what is said to be fabulous new Hasegawa decals.At the same time a joint Has/Mon Camel was released. How strange if now there is a DML living in a Hasegawa box. Robert ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 06:01:01 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi'" Subject: RE: Aeroclub 1/48 Bristol Fighter Message-ID: <199711212135.HAA11355@mimmon.mim.com.au> Sandy, > You have a scratchbuilt Biff? So why do you want a short run injection > kit which will surely pale into insignificance beside it? ;-) > >Yep and I am very proud of it! but it dates from the mid-seventies when I >was scratching everything around - another plug here for my FE2b article in >Scale Models way back in 1977! Can it really be twenty years??? > >These models were all made with the invaluable help of Harry Woodman's >"Scale Model Aircraft in Plastic Card" and use the "folding wing technique" My bible and my technique. Frankly, having fiddled with other ideas I still think it works best. I suppose someone else would have come up with some of his ideas eventually, but I at least, owe him a vast debt for demistifying scratch building and making it something acheivable by mere mortals of limited skill. Regards Shane ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 05:42:28 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi'" Subject: RE: Posted Images Message-ID: <199711212135.HAA11351@mimmon.mim.com.au> James, ---------- >I curious, what scale is your seven Swabians DVII posted on the IPMS >Quensland Expo page. I can't remember from past discussions whether you >model in 1/72 or 1/48. I'm bi-scalar, but the Swabians pictured is in 1/48. Picture is not an especially good rendition as all the colours have been made way too pale. The decals are by a now extinct Aussie producer called PD Decals. The Swabians decal is in two layers, consisting of outlines (under) and details (on top). You have to colour the lower layer using your own best estimate of the colours, which I did while it was still on the sheet >If its 1/72, can you tell me who did the decals? I would have said it's unlikely you'll find another set but it's possible because I found a second set in 1/48 very recently for Joey. However, if you only want the Swabians, I still have a partial sheet in 1/72 from which I used another option. If you want them, you're welcome to them for the cost of your snail mail address. Incidentally, the layering effect didn't give me any silvering etc. and worked very well Regards Shane ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 05:54:18 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi'" Subject: RE: Aeroclub 1/48 Bristol Fighter Message-ID: <199711212135.HAA11350@mimmon.mim.com.au> Charles brings up an interesting subject: After I said: >>Just why >>would anyone want to spend A$70 (or thereabouts) for one butt ugly RE-8 >>when for the same price he can have an Eduard Albatros, Pfalz and >>Tripehound - and if you get a good price, enough change for a can of >>paint? > And Joey said: >I agree here as well. Why can Eduard keep their prices down and BM and >Aeroclub can't? > Charles said: I think that the answer here is simple, Eduard probably produces 2 or 3 or 4 times the number of any one kit compared with Aeroclub and perhaps twice as many as Blue Max. This only pure speculation, but I would imagine that the economy of scale, as in scale of production numbers, is the biggest factor. Of course, Charles is absolutely right, and being familiar with cottage industry manufacture by personal experience he probably won't mind me adding that there are other factors besides economy of scale. You have also to realise that making short run kits is not a matter of pouring pellets in one end and waiting while a machine produces 99.9% of perfect kits. Most (maybe all) of the processes produce a *much* higher wastage of materials in the form of unusable shots/printings or whatever. So as well as having to amortise fixed costs against a smaller run, each run is far less efficient. (anecdote - I was once told by a resin ship manufacturer that more than half his purchased resin ended up at the garbage dump, vacuum chambers etc notwithstanding) All of which means that I have very great sympathy for Mrs Gannon, Adams, Norgren, Merrill etc. and so on, and wish them well. But while I have half the medical establishment of Brisbane on my payroll their lovely but relatively expensive raw material (to my addiction) are sadly liable to remain "wanna haves" Shane ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 06:25:57 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi'" Subject: RE: Udet's D.VII Message-ID: <199711212137.HAA11398@mimmon.mim.com.au> Patrick comments: > re the non-parallel looking wing stripes: well, they >Do look non-parallel in the photo, don't they? They sure do to me. Bob, >your post did go through the first time, and its an excellent point. I just took the radical step of drawing a sheet of parallel lines on card and looking at it through my camera. Depends on your viewpoint, but I had to put the camera on a tripod and pull WAY back to make them look even slightly PARALLEL because at a distance, and with a focal length, intended to reproduce the conditions of the original photo, perspective distortion is rampant. Incidentally, your eye gives precisely the same effect but has a much more sophisticated capture system (the brain) which, like the camera, is prone to lie to you more than a little. Think about looking down the centre of the freeway. The lanes are parallel, but they still meet at a distant point. Go off to one side of parallel lines and the nearer ones seem to converge faster than the further ones, in other words, precisely the effect on the Udet photo My last word on the subject, as one who many years ago made a poverty level living photographing products for advertising brochures - with the deliberate intent of fooling the eye into thinking that size, shape etc were more than the reality Regards Shane ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 06:30:40 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi'" Subject: RE: Aeroclub 1/48 Bristol Fighter Message-ID: <199711212138.HAA11408@mimmon.mim.com.au> Sandy, ---------- >Why does anybody outside the UK, buy BM anywhere but direct from Chris >Gannon? >You pay by Credit Card and thereby incur no commission charges and get a >good exchange rate; I am sure he still does post-free anywhere, therefore >pay exactly the same for BM in the US as I do in the UK. >ie about $30-35 depending on GBP/USD. At the ruling exchange rate, the 22 pound BM Camel costs me almost exactly A$55 bought direct as you suggest. And since my only card is Amex, which until recently wasn't an option with BM, I am used to paying another $10 for a bank cheque. Thats $65 whichever way I look at it >John Adams is a perfectionist and makes his models to suit himself without >considering the economics. If you saw how many RE8 wings he had to throw >away to meet his standards, given the problems he had with the injection >equipment, you would not mind his prices! This is what I tried to say in an earlier letter, and I don't *disagree* with the prices, but what you don't have, you can't spend (bank loans and sale of small children excepted) >Having said that, I think we may have seen the last of the Eduards bonanza >once they have fulfilled the Nie, and Alb D.III (and hopefully HD-1) >commitments. I take no pleasure in pointing out that I said this on the list *way* back when I first heard a Tempest was on the future releases schedule. >So if you want a BE2e, or a DH5 or an AW FK8 - support John while you >can... ... or *if* you can Regards Shane ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 13:38:46 -0800 From: mgoodwin@ricochet.net To: wwi Subject: Re: Udet D-VII Candy Stripes - A Conclusion Message-ID: <3475FF66.2DA1@ricochet.net> Ah, chaps, forgive my unsolicited observation, but I think we're obsessing here. With all due respect I submit that we've perhaps mulled Udet's stripey plane over quite enough bandwidth and should move on to other things. "With all due respect I think we should return to your music. I understand that you're interested in trainspotting..." Cheers, Arthur "Two-Sheds" Jackson ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 16:54:16 -0500 (EST) From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi Subject: last shot at CD-ROM Message-ID: <971121165416_700695596@mrin53.mail.aol.com> All this Udeting is quite interesting (and for purely aesthetic reasons- his various D VIIs would look better with bits of black) Now. one last remark about the C&C on CD. I'm looking at an add for the National Geographic Magazine on CD. All 1245 issues spanning 108 years on 30 (yep- 30)discs for $199 US. Gee Whiz and good golly! Obviously those interested in C&C amount to nowhere near the numbers that would want NG. But still, I can dream can't I? Robert np- Tadpoles by Bonzo Dog ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 23:09:49 +0100 From: "Tom Werner Hansen" To: Subject: Re: Shane's Bible. Message-ID: <199711212201.XAA16296@d1o211.telia.com> Anybody got any idea where I could lay my hands on a copy of this Bible of Shane's? To buy or to copy? Tom. ---------- > From: Shane Weier > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: RE: Aeroclub 1/48 Bristol Fighter > Date: 21. november 1997 22:29 > > Sandy, > > > > You have a scratchbuilt Biff? So why do you want a short run > injection > > kit which will surely pale into insignificance beside it? ;-) > > > >Yep and I am very proud of it! but it dates from the mid-seventies when > I > >was scratching everything around - another plug here for my FE2b > article in > >Scale Models way back in 1977! Can it really be twenty years??? > > > >These models were all made with the invaluable help of Harry Woodman's > >"Scale Model Aircraft in Plastic Card" and use the "folding wing > technique" > > My bible and my technique. Frankly, having fiddled with other ideas I > still think it works best. I suppose someone else would have come up > with some of his ideas eventually, but I at least, owe him a vast debt > for demistifying scratch building and making it something acheivable by > mere mortals of limited skill. > > Regards > > Shane ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 14:32:39 -0800 From: bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) To: wwi Subject: Re: Udet's D-VII Message-ID: <199711212232.AA23348@ednet1.orednet.org> Joey Valenciano wrote: >So the 2 aircraft were D-IRIS AND D-IRTIS? IRTIS, a 5 letter designation? >Where is the Olympic badge found? Starboard front fuselage? As Mick pointed out, there were likely some errors in the book entry I quoted. I am merely a humble reporter here - providing some information from a source which is probably somewhat obscure and and not readily available to most. I don't vouch for the accuracy of anything in the quoted portion as Curtiss Hawks are not my schtick. Cheers and all, -- Bill Shatzer - bshatzer@orednet.org "All generalizations are dangerous, even this one." Alexandre Dumas ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 18:19:42 -0500 (EST) From: TPTPUMPER@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Udet's D-VII Message-ID: <971121181942_936815243@mrin51.mail.aol.com> In a message dated 97-11-21 17:44:55 EST, you write: > > Don't forget the postwar Udet Flamingo sportplane. I have the Profile, if > >you would like a copy. > > Pleeeeease! > Hi Joey! As Curly said, "Coit'n'y, Toots! Nyuk, nyuk, nyuk!" Kindly supply me your postal address, if you would. Makes getting it there a lot easier! ;^) Only one red D.VII seems sensible enough, unless you are a fanatic about it (and run out of kits to build). No word from Bob as yet. Have Fun!! IRA ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 09:08:42 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi'" Subject: RE: Shane's Bible. Message-ID: <199711220017.KAA14675@mimmon.mim.com.au> Tom, >Anybody got any idea where I could lay my hands on a copy of this Bible of >Shane's? To buy or to copy? Sadly Harry Woodmans seminal volume is long out of print. My original is presently in the hands of another, so at the moment I can't even offer to xerox a copy for you. OTOH if you can wait a little while ? It may sometimes appear in second hand book lists, but I've never seen it. A great pity, because despite it being slightly dated in some minor respects (it was written before the appearance of CyA which is better for some of his techniques than the materials he suggests) his methods are simple enough to show that scratchbuilding can be done by the hamfisted (me) as well as the talented Alan Clarks of the world. Regards ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 16:10:18 -0800 From: "Randy J. Ray" To: WWI Modeling List Subject: Back in the groove Message-ID: <347622EA.83AEEE72@nafohq.hp.com> Well, I'm without any means of modeling until I move the rest of my stuff from Colorado, but I am settled into the bay area now. I hooked up with some SVSM guys last night, and will be going to their meeting tonight. I hope to be making the IPMS/Fremont meeting next month (didn't get to town in time for it this month). Randy -- """"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" Randy J. Ray randyr@nafohq.hp.com "Reach up your hand, if your cup be empty/If your cup is full, may it be again" --Grateful Dead, "Ripple" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 20:48:09 -0500 (EST) From: DavidL1217@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Aeroclub 1/48 Bristol Fighter Message-ID: <971121204809_1904852143@mrin79> Actually, the Blue Max Camel, SE5a and Brisfit are worthy subjects for Revellogram, Airfix or even DML! So, we it is a shame or a blessing (can't decide) that we will see these come out of the cottage industry at cottage industry prices. You best get 2 of each!!! ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 771 *********************