WWI Digest 769 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Hasagawa DVII by Crofoot 2) Re: German Book by "William B. Bacon, Jr." 3) Hats off to Shane by Mick Fauchon 4) Re: Udet's D-VII by Joey Valenciano 5) Re: Udet's D-VII by kevinkim@interlog.com (barrett) 6) Posted images by "William B. Bacon, Jr." 7) Re: Udet's D-VII by bucky@mail.prolog.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) 8) Re: Udet's D-VII by "William B. Bacon, Jr." 9) RE: Posted images by Shane Weier 10) Re: Udet's D-VII by cv3@conted.swann.gatech.edu (Carlos Valdes) 11) Re: Udet's D-VII by bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) 12) Z-L/Dornier D.I by "Sandy Adam" 13) Aeroclub 1/48 Bristol Fighter by "Sandy Adam" 14) Re: Aeroclub 1/48 Bristol Fighter by Graham Nash 15) Aeroclub programme by "Sandy Adam" 16) Re: Udet's D-VII by Joey Valenciano 17) Re: Aeroclub 1/48 Bristol Fighter by Joey Valenciano 18) Re: Udet's D-VII by Joey Valenciano 19) Re: Aeroclub 1/48 Bristol Fighter by "Sandy Adam" 20) Re: Udet's D-VII by Patrick Padovan 21) Re: Hasagawa DVII by Patrick Padovan 22) Re: Udet's D-VII by Patrick Padovan 23) Re: Udet's D-VII by Patrick Padovan 24) Re: Hasagawa DVII by Crofoot 25) RE: Aeroclub 1/48 Bristol Fighter by Shane Weier 26) Re: Udet's D-VII by TPTPUMPER@aol.com 27) Re: Udet's D-VII by Mick Fauchon 28) Re: Udet's D-VII by kevinkim@interlog.com (barrett) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 17:31:16 -0600 From: Crofoot To: wwi Subject: Hasagawa DVII Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19971119173116.00805b50@computerpro.com> Just talked to Charlie Pace at APC. He informed me that the Hasawaga Fokker DVII is in fact the DML/Dragon kit. Even so at $16 and some odd cents its not a bad deal and for a crazed DVII freak like me its a gotta have. Tim ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 18:00:45 -0600 From: "William B. Bacon, Jr." To: wwi Subject: Re: German Book Message-ID: <34737DAD.40B8@netjava.net> Carlos Valdes wrote: > > Sandy, > I have vols. 2 and 3 of the Nowarra series--definitely worth > getting, though the photos are small as Charles pointed out. Besides photos > they also inlcude information on aces, units, victory and loss totals, etc. > Carlos Sandy, I have vols 2 & 3 and concur with Carlos' evaluation. Cheers, Bill B. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 11:41:39 +1100 (EST) From: Mick Fauchon To: WW1Av Subject: Hats off to Shane Message-ID: Looked in on Shane's work on the web-page last night. Beautiful! Hats off to Shane! There's nothing like a hand-worked, varnished wooden prop. Cheers, Mick. -- -- Mick Fauchon | Internet: ulmjf@dewey.newcastle.edu.au Reference Section, Auchmuty Library | Ph (intl+61+49) 215861 University of Newcastle, AUSTRALIA | Fax (intl+61+49) 215833 MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM M M M Tasmanian Devil: "#@%!&^*%%...!#@!&**%^@@#$#-+*+*&##@...!!" M M M M Yosemite Sam : "Cut out that Army talk!..Yer in the Navy now!" M M M MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 09:08:28 +0800 From: Joey Valenciano To: wwi Subject: Re: Udet's D-VII Message-ID: <199711200108.JAA12262@fiesta.philonline.com.ph> At 02:31 PM 11/19/97 -0500, you wrote: > Well, what do you think? As I said, I offer this only as a theory, >and I have no personal stake in it one way or another. I'm interested to >know what you guys think. Interesting and sound, this theory together with Bob Pearson's (it was red to make it more visible than the rest of the Jasta), and the fact that he later flew red D.VII does strengthen the argument for a red candy striper. Pity, I too agree that it would look sexy done in black. ********************************************************************* Joey Valenciano WW1 modeller, teacher, jazz musician, joeyval@pusit.admu.edu.ph sitarist tel. (632) 921-26-75 Metro-Manila, Philippines "The more you know, the more you don't know." ********************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 22:18:28 -0500 From: kevinkim@interlog.com (barrett) To: wwi Subject: Re: Udet's D-VII Message-ID: Patrick opined: >Gentlemen: I've been mulling the question of Udet's D-VII over in my mind >since it was discussed on the list. > In response to his resentment to Goering, and as a symbolization >of his claim as rightful "heir" to the leadership of JGI, Udet had his a/c >painted in red. This would serve as a tribute to MvR, and a reminder of >the unit's proud heritage. Black would not serve this purpose of a link >with the past, nor would it be as visible at a distance as red." > Well, what do you think? As I said, I offer this only as a theory, >and I have no personal stake in it one way or another. I'm interested to >know what you guys think. > Regards, Patrick > Patrick: As one of those who weighed in on that discussion, let me add a personal thought on the "Certainly not you!" machine. What about a black jasta nose and a red body? And I still say the top (black) wing stripes weren't parallel to each other! I've heard no good refutation of this yet! Ha! Kevin Barrett. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 20:38:48 -0600 From: "William B. Bacon, Jr." To: WWI Aero Modelers Subject: Posted images Message-ID: <3473A2B8.43AE@netjava.net> All I can say is WOW to all of them. Shane, What kind of wood and what thicknesses did you use too make that beautiful prop? Paul H. Is the prop on your SS D.III painted or like Shane's? If paimted what is your technique and if laminated, what materials? To all of you, the models are great. Cheers, Bill B. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 21:49:14 -0500 From: bucky@mail.prolog.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) To: wwi, Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Udet's D-VII Message-ID: <199711200249.VAA09718@pease1.sr.unh.edu> At 08:05 PM 11/19/97 -0500, Joey Valenciano wrote: >> Well, what do you think? As I said, I offer this only as a theory, >>and I have no personal stake in it one way or another. I'm interested to >>know what you guys think. > >Interesting and sound, this theory together with Bob Pearson's (it was red >to make it more visible than the rest of the Jasta), and the fact that he >later flew red D.VII does strengthen the argument for a red candy striper. >Pity, I too agree that it would look sexy done in black. Joey Why not do Joseph Maj's D-VII Black & White candy striped fuselage or Ulrich Neckel's done the same way? Mike Muth ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 20:56:28 -0600 From: "William B. Bacon, Jr." To: wwi Subject: Re: Udet's D-VII Message-ID: <3473A6DC.5B4F@netjava.net> barrett wrote: > > Patrick opined: > > >Gentlemen: I've been mulling the question of Udet's D-VII over in my mind > >since it was discussed on the list. > > > > > In response to his resentment to Goering, and as a symbolization > >of his claim as rightful "heir" to the leadership of JGI, Udet had his a/c > >painted in red. This would serve as a tribute to MvR, and a reminder of > >the unit's proud heritage. Black would not serve this purpose of a link > >with the past, nor would it be as visible at a distance as red." > > Well, what do you think? As I said, I offer this only as a theory, > >and I have no personal stake in it one way or another. I'm interested to > >know what you guys think. > > Regards, Patrick > > > > Patrick: > > As one of those who weighed in on that discussion, let me add a personal > thought on the "Certainly not you!" machine. What about a black jasta nose > and a red body? > > And I still say the top (black) wing stripes weren't parallel to each > other! I've heard no good refutation of this yet! > > Ha! > > Kevin Barrett. Kevin et al, I have seen two renditions with a black nose. Will have to lok them up and post tomorrow. What is the main source for the red? My opinion: Most of if not all photos we see were taken by individuals and are from their personal collections. What kind of cameras weould be used? The 35mm had not come into use and I contend that the cameras were similar to the old folding or box cameras. What kinds of black and white films were availabe. Pancromatic ans Orthocromatic. Ortho film is blind to red and chrome yellow (Voss' cowl again). In other words the film does not see these colors and the silver halides are not affected. Kodak's Verichrome film was ortho and the dark room used red safety lights. I contend that most if not all of these photos were taken with ortho film because of its availability. How many of these pilot would fiddle with filters? Therefore with the statement of his mechanic, who woukd be more knowledgeable than any of us, that the cowl was chrome yellow seems perfectly reasonable. As to Udet's D.VII I go with black and white. More arguement tomorrow. Got to gather together some moe references. Cheers, Bill B. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 12:17:22 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: wwi Subject: RE: Posted images Message-ID: <199711200326.NAA11657@mimmon.mim.com.au> Bill asks: >What kind of wood and what thicknesses did you use too make that >beautiful prop? I'm embarrassed to say that although I know one type was walnut, I'm unsure of the other, though it could be plain old pine. I think the contrast is too great, and have taken to "varnishing" the completed props with a concoction made of Future and red/brown watercolour pencil. The wood was bought at a local hobby shop in strips about 1/32 inch thick, and sanded until I could get enough laminations in the appropriate thickness. While I'm at it, thanks Bill, Mick,Carlos,Alexandre,Alberto,Robert and anyone I missed for your compliments (blush) Hope everyone liked them anyway, as I have VASTLY enjoyed looking at all those posted on Al's site and elsewhere - kind of like a neat international museum of the WW1 model art. Shane ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Nov 97 22:54:31 EST From: cv3@conted.swann.gatech.edu (Carlos Valdes) To: wwi Subject: Re: Udet's D-VII Message-ID: <199711200354.XAA01393@conted.swann.gatech.edu> Patrick, Udet's famous D.VII was lost on June 29, but Goering didn't take over JGI until July 8, following Reinhard's death on July 3. Perhaps later Udet did feel that he had inherited the mantle of MvR and felt attracted to red, which would be the logical color to represent the Baron's Circus (although officially JGI, unlike JGII, did not have a geschwarder color). Regardless of the reason for his switch to this color, I believe it came after he had lost the candy-striped Fokker, which--in my opinion--was probably black.... Carlos ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 21:31:54 -0800 From: bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) To: wwi Subject: Re: Udet's D-VII Message-ID: <199711200531.AA27705@ednet1.orednet.org> Patrick speculates: > "Following the death of MvR & his hand-picked successor, there was >much speculation and competition with regard to whom would be selected to >command JGI. Udet was considered by many, probably including himself, to >be the most likely candidate. (I believe he was appointed acting commander >in the interim.) When in fact an "outsider" (Goering) was chosen, there >was much resentment within the Geschwader. No, Wilhelm Reinhard as appointed command JG Nr. 1 after MvR's death. Erich Lowenhardt was appointed as acting commander on June 19, 1918 when Reinhard was sent to Adlersdorf for the fighter trials. After Reinhard's death in the Zeppelin-Lindau D.I crash at Aldersdorf, Goering was appointed commander of JR Nr.1 on July 8, 1918. There's a reference in the old Harleyford "von Richthofen and the Flying Circus" that Udet _may_ have been appointed acting commander for one day between Reinhard and Lowenhardt but I can't find that confirmed anyplace else. Certainly, "Above the Lines" by Frank, et al, doesn't mention this. There is some indication that there may have been some "bad blood" between Lowenhardt and Udet which is why the "outsider" Goering was brought in. I'm not sure there was all that much resentment of Goering's appointment - apparently appointing either Lowenhardt or Udet would have generated even greater resentment among the unsuccessful candidate's followers. -remainder of speculation snipped- Cheers and all, -- Bill Shatzer - bshatzer@orednet.org "All generalizations are dangerous, even this one." Alexandre Dumas ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 11:06:05 -0000 From: "Sandy Adam" To: Subject: Z-L/Dornier D.I Message-ID: <199711201007.KAA27021@beryl.sol.co.uk> > Bill states: > > ....... trials. After Reinhard's death in the Zeppelin-Lindau D.I > crash at Aldersdorf, Goering was appointed commander of JR Nr.1 > on July 8, 1918. ..... > Although built by Z-L, most of us would call this a Dornier D.I surely. Sandy ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 11:33:43 -0000 From: "Sandy Adam" To: "AAA - WW1 Group" Subject: Aeroclub 1/48 Bristol Fighter Message-ID: <199711201035.KAA27857@beryl.sol.co.uk> Your Brisfit must be almost complete Shane! I had a conversation with John Adams yesterday and he said that his DH5 has been delayed as the chap making the patterns has been inundated with work for a model ship manufacturer. However John heard that Pegasus/BM were talking about doing the F2b and he decided that he couldn't let them beat him to the punch, so he has thrown himself heart and soul into doing it himself! Evidently all major components are complete, he has just scribed all the rib tapes etc and sent off the specs for the transfers which will be back in December. He says it will be complete in January and in the shops for February! He is including options for WW1 and Mk.IV post war and he says the quality will be at least as good as the RE8/FE2b kits. No indication of price. Yeeehaahhh! - My lonely scratchbuild from the seventeis will soon be joined by a nice nineties injection. I also asked if he would sell me a set of RE8 wings for a BE2e conversion but he said he couldn't as the next project after the F2b is now to be a BE fuselage.He can then add RE8 wings for a 2e, and FE2b outer panels for a 2c. He also has a BE12 planned in this series! Sounds like 1/48 WW1 modelling is going to be uncannily like the real War with the best kits showing the poor bloody RFC targets or the infestation of Albatros Fokkers taking advantage of them! Come on Copper State or Blue Max - lets quickly have those SE5s to knock seven bells out of the damn bosche! Sandy ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 11:48:16 -0800 From: Graham Nash To: wwi Subject: Re: Aeroclub 1/48 Bristol Fighter Message-ID: <199711201147.AA02637@egate2.citicorp.com> Sandy Adam wrote: > > I also asked if he would sell me a set of RE8 wings for a BE2e conversion > but he said he couldn't as the next project after the F2b is now to be a BE > fuselage.He can then add RE8 wings for a 2e, and FE2b outer panels for a > 2c. He also has a BE12 planned in this series! > Did he say anything about the 1/72nd R.A.F. F.E.8 and R.E.7. which was 'announced' for release in 1996? or was this a misreporting of the 1/48th F.E.2 and R.E.8? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 13:23:41 -0000 From: "Sandy Adam" To: "AAA - WW1 Group" Subject: Aeroclub programme Message-ID: <199711201224.MAA00706@beryl.sol.co.uk> Didn't ask him about FE8 or RE7 Graham - I don't really know anything about what goes on in 1/72, although I know in the past he has told me of his yearning to do an RE7 (I had assumed 1/48!). But I think like all the cottage guys, (and all modellers probably!), John is blown by the winds of fate as to what he will make next. I am certain the F2b is imminent; from where he is now to stocking the shelves is only a month or two away. But after that who knows? I hope his BE series comes next - but I am sure that will depend on lots of contributory factors. I had put in a plea for an AW FK8 while speaking to him and he said he had been sent advance plans by Ray Rimmell for this and a few others - so who knows? Sandy ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 00:07:15 +0800 From: Joey Valenciano To: wwi Subject: Re: Udet's D-VII Message-ID: <199711201607.AAA30086@fiesta.philonline.com.ph> > Why not do Joseph Maj's D-VII Black & White candy striped fuselage >or Ulrich Neckel's done the same way? >Mike Muth Because I'm completing (or trying to) a set of Udet a/c. I have a list of about 14 a/c he flew. 1 Eindekker 1 Fok D3 2 Alb D3 2 Alb DVa 1 Dr.I (2 if candy striper is red 3 if it's black) Fok D7 SSW D3 Spad 7 Fok D8 Curtiss Hawk II ********************************************************************* Joey Valenciano WW1 modeller, teacher, jazz musician, joeyval@pusit.admu.edu.ph sitarist tel. (632) 921-26-75 Metro-Manila, Philippines "The more you know, the more you don't know." ********************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 00:07:17 +0800 From: Joey Valenciano To: wwi Subject: Re: Aeroclub 1/48 Bristol Fighter Message-ID: <199711201607.AAA30089@fiesta.philonline.com.ph> Hi Sandy et al, >I also asked if he would sell me a set of RE8 wings for a BE2e conversion >but he said he couldn't as the next project after the F2b is now to be a BE >fuselage.He can then add RE8 wings for a 2e, and FE2b outer panels for a >2c. He also has a BE12 planned in this series! Finally! A Be2c!!!!! ********************************************************************* Joey Valenciano WW1 modeller, teacher, jazz musician, joeyval@pusit.admu.edu.ph sitarist tel. (632) 921-26-75 Metro-Manila, Philippines "The more you know, the more you don't know." ********************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 00:07:20 +0800 From: Joey Valenciano To: wwi Subject: Re: Udet's D-VII Message-ID: <199711201607.AAA30092@fiesta.philonline.com.ph> At 09:58 PM 11/19/97 -0500, Bill wrote: >I have seen two renditions with a black nose. Will have to lok them up >and post tomorrow. Please do. ********************************************************************* Joey Valenciano WW1 modeller, teacher, jazz musician, joeyval@pusit.admu.edu.ph sitarist tel. (632) 921-26-75 Metro-Manila, Philippines "The more you know, the more you don't know." ********************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 17:54:09 -0000 From: "Sandy Adam" To: Subject: Re: Aeroclub 1/48 Bristol Fighter Message-ID: <199711201709.RAA09127@beryl.sol.co.uk> > Finally! A Be2c!!!!! > Joey Valenciano There is of course a fairly readily available (if old) Falcon vacform of the 2c. Its the 2e which is the rara avis. Sandy ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 11:26:41 -0800 (PST) From: Patrick Padovan To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Udet's D-VII Message-ID: Dear Kevin: In reply to your message, you'll notice I studiously avoided specifically mentioning the "black nose question" in my theory. Leave it to you to point it out! I see no reason that a black nose (in keeping with Jasta 4 practice) and a red fuselage (in keeping with my theory) shouldn't be perfectly compatible. Nor do I make any comment on the "parallel vs non-parallel" wing stripes issue, as that's a different issue. (But those stripes DO look non-parallel in that photo, don't they?) How about a red fuselage & tail w/ white markings and black nose, with non-parallel black and white upper wing stripes & a lozenge lower wing? (But I'll still probably do my Udet D-VII w/ a black fuselage, pending any photographic revelations in the meantime which may prove the issue, one way or another. . . I just like black!) Ciao! Patrick ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Patrick Padovan Interlibrary Loan Associate Timberland Regional Library Voice: 360-943-5001 415 Airdustrial Way SW FAX: 360-586-6838 Olympia, WA 98501-5799 e-mail: ppadovan@timberland.lib.wa.us ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Wed, 19 Nov 1997, barrett wrote: > Patrick opined: > > >Gentlemen: I've been mulling the question of Udet's D-VII over in my mind > >since it was discussed on the list. > > > > > In response to his resentment to Goering, and as a symbolization > >of his claim as rightful "heir" to the leadership of JGI, Udet had his a/c > >painted in red. This would serve as a tribute to MvR, and a reminder of > >the unit's proud heritage. Black would not serve this purpose of a link > >with the past, nor would it be as visible at a distance as red." > > Well, what do you think? As I said, I offer this only as a theory, > >and I have no personal stake in it one way or another. I'm interested to > >know what you guys think. > > Regards, Patrick > > > > > Patrick: > > As one of those who weighed in on that discussion, let me add a personal > thought on the "Certainly not you!" machine. What about a black jasta nose > and a red body? > > And I still say the top (black) wing stripes weren't parallel to each > other! I've heard no good refutation of this yet! > > Ha! > > Kevin Barrett. > > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 11:32:29 -0800 (PST) From: Patrick Padovan To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Hasagawa DVII Message-ID: Dear Tim: Please do me a favor: when you get your Has.D-VII, will you please post to the list a confirmation that it is indeed the DML kit, and would you also let us know what the box art looks like, and what kind of decals are included? Thanks awfully! Regards, Patrick ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Patrick Padovan Interlibrary Loan Associate Timberland Regional Library Voice: 360-943-5001 415 Airdustrial Way SW FAX: 360-586-6838 Olympia, WA 98501-5799 e-mail: ppadovan@timberland.lib.wa.us ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Wed, 19 Nov 1997, Crofoot wrote: > > Just talked to Charlie Pace at APC. He informed me that the Hasawaga > Fokker DVII is in fact the DML/Dragon kit. Even so at $16 and some odd > cents its not a bad deal and for a crazed DVII freak like me its a gotta have. > > Tim > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 11:40:31 -0800 (PST) From: Patrick Padovan To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Udet's D-VII Message-ID: Dear Carlos: Well, that's the kind of sound, well-reasoned, fact-based historical logic that takes the fun out of theorizing! Seriously, though: you point is well made, and completely invalidates my theory, as far as the candy-striped machine goes. I'm glad I always planned to do my Udet D-VII in black, or I'd be disappointed! Thanks. Cioa! Patrick ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Patrick Padovan Interlibrary Loan Associate Timberland Regional Library Voice: 360-943-5001 415 Airdustrial Way SW FAX: 360-586-6838 Olympia, WA 98501-5799 e-mail: ppadovan@timberland.lib.wa.us ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Wed, 19 Nov 1997, Carlos Valdes wrote: > Patrick, > Udet's famous D.VII was lost on June 29, but Goering didn't take > over JGI until July 8, following Reinhard's death on July 3. > Perhaps later Udet did feel that he had inherited the mantle of > MvR and felt attracted to red, which would be the logical color to > represent the Baron's Circus (although officially JGI, unlike JGII, did > not have a geschwarder color). Regardless of the reason for his switch > to this color, I believe it came after he had lost the candy-striped > Fokker, which--in my opinion--was probably black.... > Carlos > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 11:59:22 -0800 (PST) From: Patrick Padovan To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Udet's D-VII Message-ID: Dear Bill: Please see my reply to Carlos: namely, if you're going to drag FACTS into this, then I'll just stop speculating, so there! Seriously, though, I do think that there are grounds to support my theory of resentment towards Goering, etc. (BTW, I was referring to Reinhardt when I wrote of MvR's "handpicked successor.") And I wish I hadn't referred to Udet having been appointed as acting commander, which I was not at all sure about (I probably was remembering the reference you mentioned, which does indeed seem doubtful.) Anyway, I still think my theory may explain Udet's later use of a red machine, but the time-frame as deliniated by yourself and Carlos puts paid to my theory as far as the candy striped machine goes. Thanks! Regards, Patrick ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Patrick Padovan Interlibrary Loan Associate Timberland Regional Library Voice: 360-943-5001 415 Airdustrial Way SW FAX: 360-586-6838 Olympia, WA 98501-5799 e-mail: ppadovan@timberland.lib.wa.us ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 16:06:51 -0600 From: Crofoot To: wwi Subject: Re: Hasagawa DVII Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19971120160651.00809c70@computerpro.com> Patrick, As soon as it arrives I'll post the scoop on which kit it is, box art, decals and anything else of importance. Tim ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 07:16:57 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: wwi Subject: RE: Aeroclub 1/48 Bristol Fighter Message-ID: <199711202226.IAA21780@mimmon.mim.com.au> Sandy ruins my year: >Your Brisfit must be almost complete Shane! Not until about February :-( >Evidently all major components are complete, he has just scribed all the >rib tapes etc and sent off the specs for the transfers which will be back >in December. Does it have a fully exposed engine? Etched instrument panel with film instruments? *Fully* detailed interior including 20 piece gun mount, 18 piece rudder bar full side wall detail including all rigging, anti buffet screen, seat and tailplane adjust levers etc etc. It does? Sob, sob. :-( >He says it will be complete in January and in the shops for February! Ah! now I get it. That means it'll be here about April Fools Day, to taunt me (and coincidentally, to do so on my birthday for added effect) >No indication of price. I should think not. But I bet it'll be three or more times what I pay for Eduard kits (and as good as he's getting, still lower in quality) >Yeeehaahhh! - My lonely scratchbuild from the seventeis will soon be joined >by a nice nineties injection. You have a scratchbuilt Biff? So why do you want a short run injection kit which will surely pale into insignificance beside it? ;-) >I also asked if he would sell me a set of RE8 wings for a BE2e conversion >but he said he couldn't as the next project after the F2b is now to be a BE >fuselage.He can then add RE8 wings for a 2e, and FE2b outer panels for a >2c. He also has a BE12 planned in this series! Bonzer ! (as we colonials are wont to say) I'll sell the youngest child now. In fact, I'm very pleased to see John (and Chris G. for that matter) taking WW1 so seriously. These are all subjects which are sadly lacking in 1/48 (and 1/72 as well I guess). But forgive me if I'm a little underwhelmed at the news. As good as Aeroclub and Blue MAx are getting, the price is way too high for the modeller uncommitted to WW1 subjects, and uncomfortable for even a fanatic like me. Aside from the list members, I know no-one else who owns a Blue Max kit, and just one person who owns an Aeroclub WW1 kit. Plenty have admired mine, but mention of the price chokes interest off instantly. Just why would anyone want to spend A$70 (or thereabouts) for one butt ugly RE-8 when for the same price he can have an Eduard Albatros, Pfalz and Tripehound - and if you get a good price, enough change for a can of paint? Sadly, Shane ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 17:53:19 -0500 (EST) From: TPTPUMPER@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Udet's D-VII Message-ID: <971120175319_-463928458@mrin85.mail.aol.com> Hi Joey! Don't forget the postwar Udet Flamingo sportplane. I have the Profile, if you would like a copy. Also, FWIW, DS Abbott lists 3 D.VIIs, the candy striper and two other red ones. Have Fun!! IRA ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 10:06:02 +1100 (EST) From: Mick Fauchon To: wwi Cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Udet's D-VII Message-ID: > Don't forget the postwar Udet A propos of which, I'm in the process of chasing round the world at the moment to see if Udet's post-war Hawk II is in fact in the Aviation Museum in Krakow......so far much running around, but a dirth of fact. In any case, I'll keep you all posted. Cheers, Mick. -- -- Mick Fauchon | Internet: ulmjf@dewey.newcastle.edu.au Reference Section, Auchmuty Library | Ph (intl+61+49) 215861 University of Newcastle, AUSTRALIA | Fax (intl+61+49) 215833 MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM M M M Tasmanian Devil: "#@%!&^*%%...!#@!&**%^@@#$#-+*+*&##@...!!" M M M M Yosemite Sam : "Cut out that Army talk!..Yer in the Navy now!" M M M MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 19:17:06 -0500 From: kevinkim@interlog.com (barrett) To: wwi Subject: Re: Udet's D-VII Message-ID: Patrick, with much wisdom, summarizes: How about a red >fuselage & tail w/ white markings and black nose, with non-parallel black >and white upper wing stripes & a lozenge lower wing? Patrick: Ahh, my thoughts exactly! Brilliant! I hereby vow to build this plane...hmmm...sometime in the future! What a beauty it will be (the concept, certainly not the execution!). Kevin Barrett. ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 769 *********************