WWI Digest 767 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: News from Sierra by "Leonard Endy" 2) Re: News from Sierra by Hirohisa Ozaki 3) Re: Shane's Fokker by KarrArt@aol.com 4) off-topic eclecticism by KarrArt@aol.com 5) Re: Aurora smell/Off topic reminiscence by KarrArt@aol.com 6) Re: News from Sierra by mgoodwin@ricochet.net 7) Re: 1/72 armored car kits by NPWE28A@prodigy.com ( KENNETH L HAGERUP) 8) Re: Listmember photo on the web by Alberto Rada 9) Hasegawa D.VII? by mgoodwin@ricochet.net 10) Re: Librarian's selection of the month: Windrow & Green's WWI Infantry In Colour Photographs by "Alexandre " 11) Re: Hasegawa D.VII? by Hirohisa Ozaki 12) Re: Hasegawa D.VII? by "John Glaser" 13) Char Saint Chamond by NPWE28A@prodigy.com ( KENNETH L HAGERUP) 14) Re: News from Sierra by TPTPUMPER@aol.com 15) Re: Hasegawa D.VII? by Mick Fauchon 16) Re: News from Sierra by Mick Fauchon 17) Re: Hasegawa D.VII? by Carlos Valdes 18) Ryder WWI Fighter Museum by "Eli Geher" 19) Re: Hasegawa D.VII? by KarrArt@aol.com 20) off-topic but it flies by KarrArt@aol.com 21) Re: News from Sierra by Joey Valenciano 22) Re: off-topic but it flies by Bob Pearson 23) Re: Hasegawa D.VII? by "Paul Schwartzkopf" 24) Re: News from Sierra by Jesse Thorn 25) Re: Ryder WWI Fighter Museum by Carlos Valdes 26) RE: Ryder WWI Fighter Museum by "Denest, Michael J" 27) Re: Ryder WWI Fighter Museum by Charles Hart 28) Re: Sablatnig SF5 colour query by Charles Hart 29) RE: Ryder WWI Fighter Museum by Carlos Valdes 30) Re: Ryder WWI Fighter Museum by "Eli Geher" 31) off-list by KarrArt@aol.com 32) Re: Ryder WWI Fighter Museum by TPTPUMPER@aol.com 33) Re: Sablatnig SF5 colour query by Bob Pearson 34) Re: News from Sierra by TPTPUMPER@aol.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 02:51:42 GMT From: "Leonard Endy" To: wwi Subject: Re: News from Sierra Message-ID: <34720226.2755668@legend.firstsaga.com> On Mon, 17 Nov 1997 17:17:28 -0500, you wrote: >> www.freeyellow.com/members/sierrascalemodels >> > Well, I tried opening this URL and all I get is an order form with = NO >link to any other parts of the site. Anyone else with this problem ? > >Charles > Ditto. Even cutting off sierrascalemodels, which sometimes helsp, only leads to a forbidden message. Len Endy lfendy@firstsaga.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 09:51:18 +0900 From: Hirohisa Ozaki To: wwi Subject: Re: News from Sierra Message-ID: <199711180052.JAA00948@zoo.miln.mei.co.jp> Charles wrote: >> www.freeyellow.com/members/sierrascalemodels >> > > Well, I tried opening this URL and all I get is an order form with NO >link to any other parts of the site. Anyone else with this problem ? > me too. Hiro. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 20:29:16 -0500 (EST) From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Shane's Fokker Message-ID: <971117202714_936290349@mrin79> In a message dated 97-11-17 07:43:16 EST, bucky@postoffice.ptd.net writes: << Really nice jon on the D-VII. The prop looks teriffic. What was the scale you built it in again, heh, heh...... >> Finally got aound to checking it out- not only a great prop- but the thing has the"look"- it sits right! Robert (that Hurricane is not exactly dog dandruff either.) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 20:35:05 -0500 (EST) From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi Subject: off-topic eclecticism Message-ID: <971117203504_785816858@mrin38> In a message dated 97-11-16 11:09:09 EST, GeoffSmith@compuserve.com writes: << Roxy Music "Avalon" >> Good golly- what an eclectic bunch Robert(doing "The Strand" as I type) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 20:38:23 -0500 (EST) From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Aurora smell/Off topic reminiscence Message-ID: <971117203012_866706983@mrin52.mail.aol.com> In a message dated 97-11-16 15:36:15 EST, sms@netins.net writes: << My roommate and I in college built hot air balloons from dry cleaning bags. we used the jellied alcohol for heating stoves in a small aluminum foil pan as a heat source. Not uncommonly, the balsa struts would burn through. We inadvertently napalmed several areas of the University of Iowa campus in the mid sixties. >> A little research is a wonderful thing Robert ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 17:34:26 -0800 From: mgoodwin@ricochet.net To: wwi Subject: Re: News from Sierra Message-ID: <3470F0A2.56CE@ricochet.net> TPTPUMPER@aol.com wrote: > > Hi Guys! > > I received a flier from Sierra Scale Models today. Here are the > highlights: > > 1/48 (Braille to Matt ;^) ) Gotha heavy bomber $39.95US The kit will > have parts to make a G.III, G.IV, or G.Va or b (regular or biplane tail). > Due in December, it's vac with injected props, engines, exhausts and guns. Groovy. Thanks Bob. Wonder if it comes with bombs... A/G Gotha markings sheets are about 12.50 USD these days, but come with outstanding documentation, no? Personally, I'd like to do the Kagohl 3 G.IV 417/16?)that had RG on the side...or maybe death's head G.III 385 or 389/16. Hope he does a Fdh G.III in 1/48. Riordan ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 20:51:58, -0500 From: NPWE28A@prodigy.com ( KENNETH L HAGERUP) To: wwi Subject: Re: 1/72 armored car kits Message-ID: <199711180151.UAA13832@mime4.prodigy.com> -- [ From: Kenneth Hagerup * EMC.Ver #2.5.3 ] -- Carlos wrote: > As a follow-up to my post about the 1/144 kits, here's another page from the > same site that features very affordable WWI British armored cars. In the > meantime, I'll continue to explore the site. > Carlos > > http://www.halcyon.com/shamrock/sg/armored_.html I plan to order the Schneider and a Russian armored car. I'll post details upon receipt. Ken -- npwe28a@prodigy.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 22:35:56 -0400 From: Alberto Rada To: wwi Subject: Re: Listmember photo on the web Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19971117223556.00e54d2c@pop.true.net> Hi Shane The Fokker D.VII is really outstanding, it really looks superb, the Hurricane, well that's almost impossible, if you ever need a psychoanalyst , I can recommend you . . . Really congratulations SALUDOS ALBERTO At 08:19 PM 16-11-97 -0500, you wrote: >Hi all, > >IPMS Queensland have changed their coverage of our Model Expo again. As >well as my Hurricane, (blush. I won't do it again, I promise) it now >includes a photo of one of my on-topic models. > >Go to: > >http://www.ozemail.com.au/~jacleo/expo2.html > >The Swabians Fokker D.VII is mine. Unfortunately the photo is quite >overexposed and the colours (particularly the loz) are washed out, but >it's about the only way anyone will get to see my models for a little >while yet ! At least you can see my nifty hand carved laminated prop :-) > >Regards > >Shane > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 18:39:46 -0800 From: mgoodwin@ricochet.net To: wwi Subject: Hasegawa D.VII? Message-ID: <3470FFF2.6429@ricochet.net> APC hobbies is advertising kit #52606, a 1/48 Fokker D.VII. Is this another Aurora rerun? Riordan ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 00:49:44 -0200 From: "Alexandre " To: Subject: Re: Librarian's selection of the month: Windrow & Green's WWI Infantry In Colour Photographs Message-ID: <199711180249.CAA10210@srv1-cas.cas.nutecnet.com.br> Hi Riordan ! I have this book and it's a good one !!! There are a lot of details of the tunics, helmets, field gear, etc. from various nations (Germany, Russia, USA, Great Britain, Belgium, Italy, France, Austria, etc.). This book is recommended for those who love the military antiques as well as for the serious soldier modeler. Best regards, Alexandre - atcampos@nutecnet.com.br ---------- > This is #3 in W&G's Europa Militaria series, and although not cheap @ > 10.95 GBP/15.95 USD for 66 pgs, it has got to be the premier reference > on uniforms and equipment of the Great War. It is composed of > photographs of actual surviving examples 'on the man'(modeled)with > numbered diagrams and detailed descriptions. A must for any PBI > modelling project or anyone with the slightest interest in the ground > pounders of the trenches. > Unfortunately, no coverage of Pilot's uniforms or gear, but still highly > recommended. Available from Zenith Books. > > Cheers, > > Riordan ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 12:12:16 +0900 From: Hirohisa Ozaki To: wwi Subject: Re: Hasegawa D.VII? Message-ID: <199711180313.MAA01778@zoo.miln.mei.co.jp> >APC hobbies is advertising kit #52606, a 1/48 Fokker D.VII. >Is this another Aurora rerun? > >Riordan Yes. As far as I know, Hasegawa didn't release new WWI kit. Hiro. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 21:19:49 -0600 From: "John Glaser" To: Subject: Re: Hasegawa D.VII? Message-ID: <19971118032200.AAA3085@johng> It's listed in new releases on Hobbyweb.com also. No picture. - John ---------- > From: mgoodwin@ricochet.net > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Hasegawa D.VII? > Date: Monday, November 17, 1997 8:54 PM > > APC hobbies is advertising kit #52606, a 1/48 Fokker D.VII. > Is this another Aurora rerun? > > Riordan ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 22:21:18, -0500 From: NPWE28A@prodigy.com ( KENNETH L HAGERUP) To: wwi Subject: Char Saint Chamond Message-ID: <199711180321.WAA10686@mime4.prodigy.com> -- [ From: Kenneth Hagerup * EMC.Ver #2.5.3 ] -- (Apologies if this is repetitious, but this is the fourth attempt to get this message out of the ether and posted to the list...) After coveting this kit for some time, I finally cast good sense aside, took advantage of Squadron's special last month and bought one of these frightfully expensive kits. It is still expensive, but it is one of the finest resin small scale armor kits I've run across. St. Chamonds are probably not high on Hasegawa or Revell's new kit list, so this is likely to remain the definitive 1/72 St. Chamond for some time. I'll post a more indepth review soon, but first impressions include well cast resin parts with no discernible air bubbles, cast white metal, photo-etched brass and a small decal sheet. I do need help locating camouflage information for the St. Chamond. The kit's box comes adorned with a color photograph of an example in what appears to be similar to WWII German dunkelgelb and olivgrun sprayed in a random pattern. Does anyone else have any other schemes? Thanks, Ken -- npwe28a@prodigy.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 22:27:18 -0500 (EST) From: TPTPUMPER@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: News from Sierra Message-ID: <971117222718_528199005@mrin53.mail.aol.com> Hi Len, Charles, and guys! I apologize for the dashed hopes I may have caused with the Sierra website address. I suppose I should have checked it myself first. I am writing to Bob Norgren now to ask about the problem. In the words of Maxwell Smart, Agent 86, "Sorry about that . . . " Have Fun!! IRA ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 15:31:51 +1100 (EST) From: Mick Fauchon To: wwi Cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Hasegawa D.VII? Message-ID: > >APC hobbies is advertising kit #52606, a 1/48 Fokker D.VII. > >Is this another Aurora rerun? > > > >Riordan > Yes. As far as I know, Hasegawa didn't release new WWI kit. News to me. I didn't even realise they issued any old ones, except *very* expensive ones in a scale that's even too big for me. Now if Has. were issuing WW1 kits in 1/48, that *would* be news! I really can't see them re-running someone else's old kits. Why? I reckon you're right, Hiro. Cheers, Mick. -- -- Mick Fauchon | Internet: ulmjf@dewey.newcastle.edu.au Reference Section, Auchmuty Library | Ph (intl+61+49) 215861 University of Newcastle, AUSTRALIA | Fax (intl+61+49) 215833 MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM M M M Tasmanian Devil: "#@%!&^*%%...!#@!&**%^@@#$#-+*+*&##@...!!" M M M M Yosemite Sam : "Cut out that Army talk!..Yer in the Navy now!" M M M MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 15:35:08 +1100 (EST) From: Mick Fauchon To: wwi Cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: News from Sierra Message-ID: Ira, > Agent 86, "Sorry about that . . . " "......missed it by *that* much!" 80o Mick. -- -- Mick Fauchon | Internet: ulmjf@dewey.newcastle.edu.au Reference Section, Auchmuty Library | Ph (intl+61+49) 215861 University of Newcastle, AUSTRALIA | Fax (intl+61+49) 215833 MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM M M M Tasmanian Devil: "#@%!&^*%%...!#@!&**%^@@#$#-+*+*&##@...!!" M M M M Yosemite Sam : "Cut out that Army talk!..Yer in the Navy now!" M M M MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 20:01:11 -0500 From: Carlos Valdes To: wwi Subject: Re: Hasegawa D.VII? Message-ID: <3470E8D7.15C6@conted.gatech.edu> Hasegawa has a deal with Monogram to release that company's kits in Japan in new boxes. I assume this is the Aurora/Monogram kit, the latest Hasegawa version having the new "hi tech" decals that company has started to produce. Carlos ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 23:34:19 -0600 From: "Eli Geher" To: Subject: Ryder WWI Fighter Museum Message-ID: <199711180535.XAA20565@sh1.ro.com> I just heard that they have officially closed the Ryder WWI Replica Fighter Museum in Guntersville, Alabama. Its been expected locally ever since Frank Ryder died 2 years ago. All the planes are up for sale. This can be a great opportunity to pick up full size scale models of some of your favorites. Thats for those of you with extra large hobby rooms. Be advised that the accuracy of most of them is not what we modellers have come to expect. Some additional work is required. Even the best of the collection will require removal of brakes and tailwheels. The color police will object to many of the color schemes, as well. An airbrush will not be sufficient to correct this. Eli Geher ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 00:41:01 -0500 (EST) From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Hasegawa D.VII? Message-ID: <971118004100_220881703@mrin83.mail.aol.com> In a message dated 97-11-18 00:18:01 EST, ozaki@miln.mei.co.jp writes: << >APC hobbies is advertising kit #52606, a 1/48 Fokker D.VII. >Is this another Aurora rerun? > >Riordan Yes. As far as I know, Hasegawa didn't release new WWI kit. Hiro. >> According to an item in Windsock, this is the Aurora/Monogram D VII in a deal with Hasagawa to market the kit in the eastern Pacific region. I've seen it around occasionally here in California Robert ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 01:38:00 -0500 (EST) From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi Subject: off-topic but it flies Message-ID: <971118013800_1114262451@mrin47> Hello Be forwarned- I'm going to toot my own horn here (perhaps not as well as IRA might toot his though)Anyway- whilst checking up on the IPMS Stockholm site today I noticed they've added a little piece by my own luscious self. Run over there and peek at my B-25C article.It deals with a bunch of mods and details added to the Monogram 1/48 kit.And it's in English.Here's the address: http://hem.passagen.se/marzena/stuff_eng_karr_b25.htm or just go to the homepage-it's easier to type! http://hem.passagen.se/ipms/ Also for all you between-the-wars types, check out the great CR42 details , including great cockpit stuff at Gavin John's page .Here's it's address: http://home1.swipnet.se/~w-11578/cr42.htm Thanks Robert ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 11:20:50 +0800 From: Joey Valenciano To: wwi Subject: Re: News from Sierra Message-ID: <199711180320.LAA05074@fiesta.philonline.com.ph> At 05:05 PM 11/17/97 -0500, you wrote: >1/48 (Braille to Matt ;^) ) Gotha heavy bomber $39.95US The kit will >have parts to make a G.III, G.IV, or G.Va or b (regular or biplane tail). > Due in December > Also new in 1/48 is a Rumpler C.IV, vac with injected details, no decals, >at $23.95. This is good albeit strange news. Earlier this year, Bob Norgen said he was closing shop and was offering all his vacs 20% off. Two months back I ordered a Fokker D.II from him together with a request for some replacement parts from other kits. I haven't received the kit as of yet. From time to time I remind him of it and he apologizes and responds by promising to send the kit immediately. This leads me to believe that he's busy doing other things than tending to Sierra. I do hope he continues making vacs (I'd get both of the above kits) and I do hope I get my Fokker D.II soon!!!! ********************************************************************* Joey Valenciano WW1 modeller, teacher, jazz musician, joeyval@pusit.admu.edu.ph sitarist tel. (632) 921-26-75 Metro-Manila, Philippines "The more you know, the more you don't know." ********************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 00:46:54 -0800 From: Bob Pearson To: WW1 Mailing list Subject: Re: off-topic but it flies Message-ID: <08465414115304@KAIEN.COM> Robert, Wow ! ! ! ! ! Regards, Bob ---------- > From: KarrArt@aol.com > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: off-topic but it flies > Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 01:41:48 -0500 > > Hello > Be forwarned- I'm going to toot my own horn here (perhaps not as well as IRA > might toot his though)Anyway- whilst checking up on the IPMS Stockholm site > today I noticed they've added a little piece by my own luscious self. Run > over there and peek at my B-25C article.It deals with a bunch of mods and > details added to the Monogram 1/48 kit.And it's in English.Here's the > address: > > http://hem.passagen.se/marzena/stuff_eng_karr_b25.htm > > or just go to the homepage-it's easier to type! http://hem.passagen.se/ipms/ > > Also for all you between-the-wars types, check out the great CR42 details , > including great cockpit stuff at Gavin John's page .Here's it's address: > > http://home1.swipnet.se/~w-11578/cr42.htm > > Thanks > Robert ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 07:42:23 +0000 From: "Paul Schwartzkopf" To: wwi Subject: Re: Hasegawa D.VII? Message-ID: <199711181344.HAA07504@tscrypt1.transcrypt.com> > >APC hobbies is advertising kit #52606, a 1/48 Fokker D.VII. > >Is this another Aurora rerun? I saw recently that they were selling the DML Ta-152 under their label. I would suspect that this is the DML issue kit. Paul A. Schwartzkopf ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 09:32:38 -0400 From: Jesse Thorn To: wwi Subject: Re: News from Sierra Message-ID: >At 05:05 PM 11/17/97 -0500, you wrote: >the kit immediately. This leads me to believe that he's busy doing other >things than tending to Sierra. I do hope he continues making vacs (I'd get >both of the above kits) and I do hope I get my Fokker D.II soon!!!! Bob did the masters for the Classic Airframes Helldiver kit. I imagine that occupied his time. This is an outstanding limited run kit and the best yet from CA. Mine is almost done save for the rigging and landing gear. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 13:06:49 -0500 From: Carlos Valdes To: wwi Subject: Re: Ryder WWI Fighter Museum Message-ID: <2.2.32.19971118180649.006d3460@conted.swann.gatech.edu> A friend visited the museum a couple of weeks ago and told me that all the engines are already gone. The planes are still there and up for bid, along with everything else; he limited himself to bidding for some fabric pieces and a prop. The place is still open, I think, for those who want to buy something. I hope that I can go one last time before the collection is broken up. Carlos ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 13:17:48 -0500 From: "Denest, Michael J" To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Ryder WWI Fighter Museum Message-ID: <21A9C368581DD011986600805FEABAD4014A3C1E@xch-phl-01.he.boeing.com> Is there a list of aircraft and other items available? Mike > ---------- > From: Carlos Valdes[SMTP:carlos.valdes@conted.gatech.edu] > Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 1997 1:13 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Re: Ryder WWI Fighter Museum > > A friend visited the museum a couple of weeks ago and told me > that > all the engines are already gone. The planes are still there and up > for bid, > along with everything else; he limited himself to bidding for some > fabric > pieces and a prop. The place is still open, I think, for those who > want to > buy something. I hope that I can go one last time before the > collection is > broken up. > Carlos > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 11:22:21 -0700 From: Charles Hart To: wwi Subject: Re: Ryder WWI Fighter Museum Message-ID: > A friend visited the museum a couple of weeks ago and told me that >all the engines are already gone. The planes are still there and up for bid, >along with everything else; he limited himself to bidding for some fabric >pieces and a prop. The place is still open, I think, for those who want to >buy something. I hope that I can go one last time before the collection is >broken up. > Carlos The most recent issue of WW I Aero lists that Jody Gaertler (sp.?) who was a long time collector of WW I aviation material, particularly engines and bits of aircraft, has his collection of materials available for sale. He had been associated with Ryder shortly before his death, but the engines and things, I think, still belonged to him. Charles hartc@spot.colorado.edu ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 11:30:34 -0700 From: Charles Hart To: wwi Subject: Re: Sablatnig SF5 colour query Message-ID: Bob wrote: > >Well, die Deutsches Seeflugzeuge Insekt seems to have taken quite ahold of >me and I am now deep into profiles of said insekt. While waiting for the >books from Barry and Riordan to arrive I have been searching my resources >and I have only found two photos of the Sablatnig SF5. One is in WS 13/1 >while the other is in the Putnam German Aircraft book. This shows a >curiously camouflaged SF5 799 on page 536. Does anyone have any guesses as >to what these colours may be? I think they may possibly be either blue or >gray over CDL and light varnished ply (or just blue and gray or . . . ). > To add to my earlier post on this subject, I have found another image of a Sablatnig SF5 with painted camouflage. This is on page 198 of the Harleyford Marine A/C book. The machine is seen in profile with a rather large reproduction of the photo. It is clearly spray painted in a pattern of oblique stripes of one "dark" color over a light base color. I would speculate that the base color would be a light blue, the darker color a green or blue green. Interestingly, this pattern is painted on ALL surfaces of the machine, including the top and bottom of the wings. Eiserne kreuze are painted on square white fields. I think the a/c number is 769. I looked over numerous photos of German a/c while looking for this image. One observation I noted was that after about mid 1916 very few if any aircraft, built by any nation, were finished in Clear Doped Linen. It appears from looking at photos that most builders realized that colored dopes of some shade or another were needed to protect the fabric coverings of aircraft. Any one else notice this ? Just wondering. Charles hartc@spot.colorado.edu ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 13:38:16 -0500 From: Carlos Valdes To: wwi Subject: RE: Ryder WWI Fighter Museum Message-ID: <2.2.32.19971118183816.006bc52c@conted.swann.gatech.edu> >Is there a list of aircraft and other items available? Mike, There's probably such a list available from the museum, but my friend didn't mention sseing one. Carlos ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 12:46:44 -0600 From: "Eli Geher" To: Subject: Re: Ryder WWI Fighter Museum Message-ID: <199711181848.MAA26605@sh1.ro.com> I'm afraid its too late for a last visit. According to the news story, they're open by appointment only for buyers. I'm not aware of a sales list although there must be one somewhere. Other then aircraft, mention was made of an Indian motorcycle being available. The collection at its height displayed more items then Ryder ever owned. I understand that most or all of the loaner items were recovered by the owners over the last year or so, but I don't have solid information. Ryder's daughter was interviewed and indicated that anything there was for sale. Eli ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 13:50:31 -0500 (EST) From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi Subject: off-list Message-ID: <971118135012_1105057679@mrin58.mail.aol.com> Sorry to use the list for this message -Joey- I'm wandering if you ever got the letter explaining the Pfalz triplane and Hawk pictures.It was a rather long letter answering all your questions about the modeling techniques involved.The letter came back and said it couldn't be delivered at this time but would be resent.The usual stuff- AOL has burned me again Thanks- Robert ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 15:22:16 -0500 (EST) From: TPTPUMPER@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Ryder WWI Fighter Museum Message-ID: <971118152215_970116274@mrin46.mail.aol.com> In a message dated 97-11-18 03:55:35 EST, you write: > The color police > will object to many of the color schemes, as well. An airbrush will not be > sufficient to correct this. > > Eli Geher Hi Guys! Pick up your repro and head for FXE (Fort Lauderdale Executive Airport). My friend will fix your plane and my compressor, paint gun, and I will shoot it in the color of your choice! (lozenge substantially extra . . . ) (Offer not good for color police.) (Some restrictions do apply.) (Do NOT try this at home.) (Batteries not included.) Have Fun!! IRA ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 12:27:11 -0800 From: Bob Pearson To: WW1 Mailing list Subject: Re: Sablatnig SF5 colour query Message-ID: <20271119916265@KAIEN.COM> Charles, Many thanks for both this and your previous reply to my Sablatnig query. I would like to do profiles of these aircraft so would it be possible to get a copy of the photo you mention in the Harleyford book? regards, Bob Pearson ---------- > From: Charles Hart > To add to my earlier post on this subject, I have found another image > of a Sablatnig SF5 with painted camouflage. This is on page 198 of the > Harleyford Marine A/C book. The machine is seen in profile with a rather > large reproduction of the photo. It is clearly spray painted in a pattern > of oblique stripes of one "dark" color over a light base color. I would > speculate that the base color would be a light blue, the darker color a > green or blue green. Interestingly, this pattern is painted on ALL > surfaces of the machine, including the top and bottom of the wings. > Eiserne kreuze are painted on square white fields. I think the a/c number > is 769. > > I looked over numerous photos of German a/c while looking for this > image. One observation I noted was that after about mid 1916 very few if > any aircraft, built by any nation, were finished in Clear Doped Linen. It > appears from looking at photos that most builders realized that colored > dopes of some shade or another were needed to protect the fabric coverings > of aircraft. Any one else notice this ? > > Just wondering. > > Charles > > hartc@spot.colorado.edu > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 15:37:07 -0500 (EST) From: TPTPUMPER@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: News from Sierra Message-ID: <971118152125_-1941275001@mrin85.mail.aol.com> Hi Joey and guys! I ordered from Sierra at about the time Joey did. Bob emailed me that there would be a delay as he was out of plastic at that moment. (That was about the time of the UPS strike.) The delay was about a week, and I got my kits. Bob mentioned that he was considering closing shop, but not ready to do so just yet. He is busy with other matters, though. He told me his income from Sierra was "barely above poverty level". His overall picture is none of my business, but right there is enough reason to buy from the little guy. He goes away, and we are cutting up the old Aurora Gotha and wishing again! (No offense to those who enjoy that . . . ) I'm cheap, but where else can you find some of the things Sierra makes? Have Fun!! IRA ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 767 *********************